Moderator Performance, v.2 Options

[superstitious]

Make this thread helpful for the mods.

Mods are members, also. So member bashing is not allowed, as always. Don't make it a personal vendetta, please. Keep the bashing at 0%, please.

Any moderator has the right to close and unpin this thread at the signs of bashing, pointlessness, and/or any other guideline breaker.

I do hope this works out. I want to stress that this is not the place for personal attacks. If you really have to, keep it in the PM system between you and the mod. This thread is here to help mods work better with members.

Please do not make this thread into a full scale discussion. Its main purpose is for members to evaluate moderator performance. If your question/concern has been answer, cease to post here until you have another concern. Thank you.

So...your thoughts?

(Threads will closed at the 45 page mark)

[pandora]

Just to reiterate, and make it a bit clearer - We will automatically delete spam and blatant bashing from this thread from now on; this isn't the venue for your personal vendettas against any of our mods.

[missnh]

Alright, I will take my responses to PM then :]

[pandora]

Yeah we all have lives outside of cb so sometimes we lag on returning PMs. Rebecca sent me one a few days ago and it took me a few days to get back to her.

[missnh]

Diana
JC
Rebecca

[*Steven*]

I, too, will go to PMs :]

[misoshiru]

Not completely mod perf, but why are topics being deleted instead of just closed?

[Tung]

To either hide the evidence that it ever happened. But it could just be to clean up the forums so it won't look dirty.

[Elba]

Not completely mod perf, but why are topics being deleted instead of just closed?

Nazi

[pandora]

we're deleting any spam topics that comes in mass dosage and also any blatantly obvious spam topics simply because we obviously don't tolerate it and you guys already know the rules. I could go ahead and ask you why you're making spam topics to begin with. You could just not.

[misoshiru]

so...what happened to the whole idea of a lounge as unmoderated as possible?

[pandora]

lol i dont know why people insist in arguing that 5 different topics saying "hi ______" or w/e is acceptable, even in the lounge.

also i'd like to point out that the reason we close most topics instead of deleting them is because we're obliged to make sure you understand the reason for it. in the case of blatant spam and mass spam, we feel that you obviously already know the reason for it and therefore we don't need to have it clutter the forum.

[kryogenix]

Why was my member evaluation thread deleted, but the other evaluation threads allowed to stay?

[Elba]

Because "yours was blatant spam and you know the rules".

[pandora]

Because all it said was "You all suck and will never be as awesome as me."

[kryogenix]

You speak as if there's something wrong with that statement.

[superstitious]

To either hide the evidence that it ever happened. But it could just be to clean up the forums so it won't look dirty.

It's definitely not to "hide" anything. To be perfectly candid, if anyone questions the validity of something specific being deleted, you can always contact either Trish or myself as we can both not only see who has moderated topics, but we can also see the Trash can (where all the deleted stuff lives).

I think that the eval threads are fine and in some cases, it's brought some good discussion. I know I've been enjoying the different perspectives people have on one another. I thinks it's very Lounge-y. I think what separated Kryo's thread from the rest is the way he presented the topic. True, we may all very well suck and never be nearly as awesome as he is, but that's more or less a statement. That's why I can understand why it was interpreted as spam.

Yanlin - the idea behind having the Lounge be a more lenient forum is still there, but I am afraid that with the VIP Lounge being in existance, it sort of changes things just a tad. In VIP Lounge, you can pretty much do what you please (to an extent). You can spam, chill, etc. So essentially while the Lounge is more lenient than other forums still, the blatant spamming can certainly go in the VIP Lounge and since it isn't necessary to have a slew of the same topics (ie: how many "Hi" topics do we really need?) those are more likely to be trashed. However, like I mentioned above, these topics, when deleted don't just get lost in cyberspace somewhere. They are definitely retrievable so if it's something you really feel should stay, feel free to ask. It never hurts to ask.

Sorry for once again, a terribly long winded post.

PS - Thomas, I took care of that. Thanks for the alert.

[kryogenix]

I was sure everyone would know the thread worked the same way as the other "my opinion of you threads" and that they would just post and wait for my evaluation of them...

[superstitious]

I was sure everyone would know the thread worked the same way as the other "my opinion of you threads" and that they would just post and wait for my evaluation of them...

Fair enough. I moved your thread back to the Lounge and have reopened it.

[pandora]

you couldve just posted in the huge one and then tried again.

[Tung]

It's definitely not to "hide" anything.

Lol, right. Of course there's some little chance that it is to hide something from the public. You can't possibly say it's DEFINITELY NOT.

[superstitious]

How about I put it this way, anything is retrievable unless the contents of the post(s) are removed.

[Tung]

I know it's retrievable, but there's things that gets deleted and put in the trashcan, so the general public (non-mods) can't see it.

As for Trish, I'm going to be honest here, I actually think she has done a good job being an admin so far, the cB side of it of course. She done alot of stuff, like the OM search flood crap, and actually reorganizing the forums, and she's working on the wiki? But her personality and her attitude and just how she approaches thing just kills it for her you know what I mean. All that baggage just overrides all the good she has done so far on cB, so people's image of her as an Admin derives not from what she has and hasn't do for cB, but because it's from her rep.

[superstitious]

Ok. I'm either not explaining myself well or I'm not saying what you want to hear. ;)

If someone deletes something, thus removing it from non trash can viewing access, there are people who can retrieve and move that something back to the public view. That I think you understand. What I am saying is that this idea that "evidence" is being hidden, isn't something that I personally condone or do. So, if you think that something is being deleted for the sole purpose of hiding, you can PM myself or another administrator to look into it.

I hope that clears it up a bit.

[pandora]

As for Trish, I'm going to be honest here, I actually think she has done a good job being an admin so far, the cB side of it of course. She done alot of stuff, like the OM search flood crap, and actually reorganizing the forums, and she's working on the wiki? But her personality and her attitude and just how she approaches thing just kills it for her you know what I mean. All that baggage just overrides all the good she has done so far on cB, so people's image of her as an Admin derives from what she has and hasn't do for cB, but because it's from her rep.

You know if people didnt feel the need to provoke me 24/7 my reactions would be really different. If you had someone riding your ass all day it would be different than my situation too. You can respond however you like because you aren't on the staff and people don't automatically think "that's not how a mod should act." If I choose not to say anything and feed into the drama I get called out for "punking out." If I say anything, then I get called out for being a bitch. Sorry, but mods are people too. That's all I'm going to say on this matter.

[*Steven*]

You know if people didnt feel the need to provoke me 24/7 my reactions would be really different. If you had someone riding your ass all day it would be different than my situation too. You can respond however you like because you aren't on the staff and people don't automatically think "that's not how a mod should act." If I choose not to say anything and feed into the drama I get called out for "punking out." If I say anything, then I get called out for being a bitch. Sorry, but mods are people too. That's all I'm going to say on this matter.

People don't necessarily want their critique answered by a defensive/pissed mod. Tung's critique wasn't bad by any means.

[pandora]

I didn't say it was. I'm just explaining my stance on the subject.

[*Steven*]

Then why get defensive?

[superstitious]

Guys, this isn't for full blown discussion. I hate to cut anyone off, but please, just say your feedback and move on, ok? One or two back and forths I understand but can you please try to keep it at that?

[Tung]

Can someone remove my warnings now lol. Been almost a week.


Offtopic here, but I didn't know where to post this question. But you know how you guys say admins can't delete accounts or else it would mess up the cb4 structure or database or whatever? I saw Brandon requested to be deleted, but yall denied him. Steven's account got deleted and that didn't seem to mess anything up. Just curious. I never understand what the deal with that was. Ranting here.

[misoshiru]

it feels as if 80% of the mods have disappeared.

[brooklyneast05]

it feels as if 80% of the mods have disappeared.

it's because i left.


actually i agree. where is everyone?

[brooklyneast05]

i think it's because staff lost some of their forum presence mods, IMO.

[misoshiru]

IA. but it means for the rest of the mods to step up and take over.


James def. has forum presence, but too bad he's in a different time zone.

[brooklyneast05]

IA. but it means for the rest of the mods to step up and take over.

[misoshiru]

yeah. The ones I really notice are James (when he posts), Rebecca and Dani. Come on, where's everyone else?

[Tung]

maybe some new mods should get hired?

[brooklyneast05]

someone black imo. they lost all the black folk, that's the problem

[misoshiru]

I had thought about that, but it's not as if cb is really lacking in mods.

[brooklyneast05]

i don't think jessica is a strong forum presence, but she isn't here enough to lately. i think ruth and cristy do a good job.

[brooklyneast05]

Miyashu

[misoshiru]

Who's Jessica?

I see, James, Jane, Rebecca, Dani, Miyashu, S-Majare have a strong forum presence, but some of the other mods, don't make a strong forum presence, but stop in at least once a day.

I think they have a strong forum presence, but it's different. I don't see Miyashu around. Maybe she's only in the design forums. Jane appears here and there, but I forget that she's a mod. Sarah, I don't remember seeing in awhile.

[brooklyneast05]

sarah just got back from vacation, so we should be seeing more of her. she's typically a mod who's all over all the forums.

[Tung]

sarah was gone for like two weeks, she came back couple days ago.

and yeah miyashu is awesome.

[misoshiru]

sarah just got back from vacation, so we should be seeing more of her. she's typically a mod who's all over all the forums.

OH okay. no wonder. I was wondering where she went.

[Elba]

Spencer for people staff.

NOT.

[rnicron]

Elba is black.

NOT.

[misoshiru]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that Diana definitely has forum presence.

[Tung]

LOl so in the end, you basically have 75% of staff having forum presence i think.

[brooklyneast05]

lol well still, it doesn't feel like any are around.

[misoshiru]

Okay, I should've made it clearer, I wish that more of people staff had forum presence. In People Staff, I personally feel that only James has forum presence.

[misoshiru]

IMO, ruth only does mod stuff.

[*paperplane*]

And James has only had forum presence for all of three days.

[Tung]

are you kidding. ruth is all over the relationship forums helping people out. i notice her presence.

[brooklyneast05]

And James has only forum presence for all of three days.

x2

[misoshiru]

relationship isn't the only thing that needs mods.

[brooklyneast05]

ok staff, take notes.

people want mods who are members of the community. not mods who are mods. mods who are mods are disconnected from the community.

[misoshiru]

well said.





now where have the mods been all this time we've been having this discussion?

[*paperplane*]

Backstage, from the looks of it. All three online are "reading board index."

[misoshiru]

yeah. backstage should not be the only place that mods go either.

[Tung]

yanlin for people staff.

[transcendentalis...]

Er, I've been in Relationships for a bit now... Or at least, predominantly, but note taken.

[*paperplane*]

Out of curiosity, are mods still not allowed to be invisible? Or was that a blogring rule?

[brooklyneast05]

they are allowed to

[*paperplane*]

Yeah, I remember that being BR now. Got confused for a second.

[misoshiru]

and to add a bit more, after what happened this last week, I feel that the current mods should step up their game even more and in a way, solidify the sense of community on cb. It seems that it's completely fallen apart now.

[brooklyneast05]

i agree with yan lin.

[freeflow]

Aw Look at Mr. Ex-Mod JC being all supportive and teaching them how to do things.

[brooklyneast05]

Aw Look at Mr. Ex-Mod JC being all supportive and teaching them how to do things.

W.W.Jc.D

[MissHygienic]

Assuming there was ever a sense of community in the first place. You can't really fix what you haven't broken. I don't feel as if moderators had a significant forum presence before, anyway, but people have other things to do, especially at this time. The criticism would be more constructive at another time.

[Just_Dream]

ok staff, take notes.

people want mods who are members of the community. not mods who are mods. mods who are mods are disconnected from the community.

Yea, yea you tell 'em. He's was on the mod team, a former ex-Head Staff. Listen to him.

lol.

But seriously, yea you should be all around the forums if you're a moderator, especially as people staff. I mean, just because maybe the anime, food, Relationships, etc. forums might not have been touched or something by other moderators, you're still supposed to go around to each forum, do something here, do something there, etc.

But moving topics and stuff is important as well as a strong presence. People want to see that you're actively participating in a community that you've been selected to lead, whether it be participation or moderation. That balance is what keeps you on, ESPECIALLY if you are part of People Staff. I'm not going to deal with Design Staff or anything because I'm not really over there... Haha.

And it's not even about "having" a sense of community at this time. There is always a sense of community, but it depends on how you handle it. I mean, without a sense of community, don't you think everything would be in chaos? Just because we have the drama and crap doesn't mean that everything is falling apart. I think it's that kind of pessimistic attitude that boggles me, that's all.

EDIT - MissHygienic, I am not attacking you or anything. This is just a general statement, but it incorporates what you've said. I know you've been around also, as I've seen you.

[pandora]

p.s. jusun deleted stevens account, not any of the admins.

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here's my opinion on design staff. i don't really think that they should be held accountable for not having a strong enough forum presence. How many of the people posting in this topic actually visit the Resource Center? Should we expect the design staffers to have to answer questions in the RC while moderating topics there as well, go through 50+ layouts and 50+ graphics in the queue, submit layouts, and then turn around and post whore in the community center? Sounds like we're asking too much of them, in my opinion. People staff are only required to moderate the community center and keep their post count up. (Not saying that they do less than the design staff, just saying that it's like apples and oranges. You can't expect the same things out of DS as you would from PS.)

so why do we go to such great lengths to find design staffers with a 5.0 ppd when the second they get hired they're going to have to start focusing more in the RC than the CC? Most of the people even interested in design only come here to share their expertise by posting in the RC or submitting a ton of layouts. Why would they care about the community center?

just sayin.

[brooklyneast05]

trish is right. i don't really care about DS's forum presence compared to people staff. although it would be nice, sarah was able to do it.

[S-Majere]

Sarah has no life.

[brooklyneast05]

Sarah has no life.

[The-March-Hare]

Hey, guys, sorry I didn't check in here when I was online last night... for once I actually genuinely forgot to check into Feedback, hence missing the reorg thread as well. Sad times...

I'm going to make a point of trying to actually start some topics as well as just joining in over the next little while.

The only thing is I have essay deadline sup until next thursday, so I'll be a little stretched. I'll work on it though.

Although yanners does have a point, I am time zoneally challenged, despite being somewhat nocturnal.

[illriginal]

it feels as if 80% of the mods have disappeared.

Apparently there's another 20% of mods that needs to be abolished as well.

[brooklyneast05]

^for what?

i know you don't like the mods, but the site needs them. i don't know who you would want to mod. you seem to dislike just about everyone here.

[illriginal]

^for what?

i know you don't like the mods, but the site needs them. i don't know who you would want to mod. you seem to dislike just about everyone here.

Some are cut out to be mods, most really aren't and I have no clue why they're even in that superiority level.

[superstitious]

Some are cut out to be mods, most really aren't and I have no clue why they're even in that superiority level.

I am curious as to who you think isn't cut out and why.

[illriginal]

I am curious as to who you think isn't cut out and why.

It's best not to mention names.

[rnicron]

It's best not to mention names.

Tbh, that's really not helping in speaking out then.

It's best not to mention names.

Tbh, that's really not helping in speaking out then.

This post has been edited by superstitious: Apr 8 2008, 01:18 PM

Reason for edit: Merged - I thought the double quote was cute so I left it. xD

[The-March-Hare]

It's best not to mention names.

Actually, no. That just ends up being incredibly unhelpful and unproductive.

[pandora]

I don't think mods are put in place to be "superior" to anyone else here.

[illriginal]

I don't think mods are put in place to be "superior" to anyone else here.

Exaaactly.... nor are they meant to abuse any rules at any given time when they feel is ok to do so.

[S-Majere]

Exaaactly.... nor are they meant to abuse any rules at any given time when they feel is ok to do so.

Well, yeah.

Tamacracker - if you have a problem with a specific staff member/s or aspect of CB either go ahead and spit it out already or suck it up. If you don't feel like you can announce your reservations publically; PM a staff member who you feel you can communicate your problems to.

[misoshiru]

I don't feel as if moderators had a significant forum presence before, anyway, but people have other things to do, especially at this time. The criticism would be more constructive at another time.

I completely disagree with that. Previous to the current mods, many of the mods (and in all of this, I'm referring to only People Staff, DS doesn't matter) had a strong presence around these forums. People Staff are modded not only to just mod the general forums, but to keep the forums moving. Sure, everyone's busy at this time of the year, whether we're regular/official members or mods. But if all PS does right now, is to comment on just one or two subforums and talk backstage, I don't feel as if they're really doing their jobs.

And are you saying that just because people are busy, that my criticism of not having mods around is invalid? Obviously, none of you are paid to work here, which makes 'modding' just whatever spare time you may have. But if mods can't devote time to cb, even if it's just 15-20 minutes a day or so, to pop in, visit a couple of subforums and comment on certain things, then I think that they should step down.

So many previous mods have been demoted or have stepped down due to this. Not because they don't come on every day, but they don't make their presence seen enough that it was seen as inactivity.

[MissHygienic]

I completely disagree with that. Previous to the current mods, many of the mods (and in all of this, I'm referring to only People Staff, DS doesn't matter) had a strong presence around these forums. People Staff are modded not only to just mod the general forums, but to keep the forums moving. Sure, everyone's busy at this time of the year, whether we're regular/official members or mods. But if all PS does right now, is to comment on just one or two subforums and talk backstage, I don't feel as if they're really doing their jobs.

And are you saying that just because people are busy, that my criticism of not having mods around is invalid? Obviously, none of you are paid to work here, which makes 'modding' just whatever spare time you may have. But if mods can't devote time to cb, even if it's just 15-20 minutes a day or so, to pop in, visit a couple of subforums and comment on certain things, then I think that they should step down.

So many previous mods have been demoted or have stepped down due to this. Not because they don't come on every day, but they don't make their presence seen enough that it was seen as inactivity.

Nah, I basically misspoke. I was talking about the new People Staff moderators, not in all of history of moderators on CreateBlog. There was already a discussion about how moderators should work together and act like a team rather than having our (in general) own personal brand of dysfunction. I wasn't invalidating your statement of having all of the moderators step up their game; I was saying that the moderators weren't really working well together in the first place. Hence, you know, persuading a few to step down from staff. I can't speak for them, though.

[misoshiru]

Ah okay, I get it.

[illriginal]

Well, yeah.

Tamacracker - if you have a problem with a specific staff member/s or aspect of CB either go ahead and spit it out already or suck it up. If you don't feel like you can announce your reservations publically; PM a staff member who you feel you can communicate your problems to.

You're right, I'm gonna suck it up and watch.

[Tung]

W.W.Jc.D

were you trying to make a reference like W.E.B Du Bois?

[tokyo-rose]

were you trying to make a reference like W.E.B Du Bois?

WWJD, or "What would Jesus do?"

[synatribe]

well I accidently made a new topic, so mods can close that one, but I would like to say thank you to the mods for taking time to care for the community, I respect that, and I also respect your tolerance alot for the bashing people pf this community :]]

[Elba]

Instead of replying in MP with "take out the image tags", why not PM the person instead or use your energy to take out the image tags? It's annoying reading a reply that has nothing to do with the topic.

That goes to Cristy. That's all I ever see her doing.

[pandora]

Mods will no longer be editing posts of people who have been here long enough to know the rules. Instead, you will receive one reminder (a post made after yours or a PM) before a verbal warning and then eventually a warning for repeat offenses.

[Elba]

So?

[libertie]

To answer your question, "verbal warnings" have been issued in the past for this, but we've recently discussed already that this is slightly inefficient. Instead, when it happens, an automatic raised warning level will happen (since a 10% warning increase is nothing, especially since OMs only get demoted at 20% now) - the member will be contacted and hopefully this will stop happening.

[*paperplane*]

I don't really see why you wouldn't still edit them if leaving tags in is a problem.

[illriginal]

S-Majere deserves a promotion if possible. Finally she has listened to me and has taken action to get rid of bnox after gettin caught having multiple usernames. I applaud you S-Majere, you rock.

For all of you who had doubt... I dislike you. JK... but I have to say this though, I TOLD YOU SO!

Well, yeah.

Tamacracker - if you have a problem with a specific staff member/s or aspect of CB either go ahead and spit it out already or suck it up. If you don't feel like you can announce your reservations publically; PM a staff member who you feel you can communicate your problems to.

Here's a hint, she doesn't deserve to hold the position she has, and many people know and can agree to this, someone such as yourself does. Get rid of her and you'd get rid of a lot of problems.

[Tung]

^ Well at least now we all know it's a she he's talking about.
So can't be any of the guys on staff.