AIDS in Africa Options

[princess2113]

are we helping ppl in Africa w/ AIDS enough?

[EmeraldKnight]

Um.. no offense to ppl in Africa.. but seeing as we can hardly help the aids epidemic in the US.. why should we help them? shouldnt we first rid ourselves of it, then them?

[princess2113]

Um.. no offense to ppl in Africa.. but seeing as we can hardly help the aids epidemic in the US.. why should we help them? shouldnt we first rid ourselves of it, then them?

yeah i agree but i was in health n the teacher went on n on abt how we dunt do enough to help them

[EmeraldKnight]

that's because we can't.. our resources are strained enough already with the military and stuff.. we have a $500 billion deficit.. programs are being cut.. we can hardly spare money to aid other countries significantly

[Mini]

the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this.

[EmeraldKnight]

the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this.

wtf? haha they seriously think that?

[sadolakced acid]

they need aids information.

they don't know all the facts.

they have 12 year olds left as the head of the household, working to support their siblings, becuase their parents have died of aids and they will too.

[bigpoppaproppy]

they need aids information.

they don't know all the facts.

they have 12 year olds left as the head of the household, working to support their siblings, becuase their parents have died of aids and they will too.

we've tried

convoys have been sent to explain everything, with translators, presentations, brochures, etc

they have their culture and are unwilling to change, even for the better

some of the tribes there customarily bathe in the dead's blood....thus its passed....we proved to them this causes their death,...they dont care


they dont want our help, fine. treat the aids ppl here

survival of the fittest, darwin at work.

[Spirited Away]

When people live by the same laws or traditions for centuries, it takes time and a great deal of persuation to make changes.

If we educate one woman, and she comes home to her husband, who is still ignorant, that education has gone to waste. Or if you educate the woman, but she gets raped.

So, in such a society, not only do we need to educate its people, but we also need to protect the educated, something that is completely out of our jurisdiction as their laws are different than ours.

In addition, Aids is a world wide problem. In my opinion, the US and other countries has helped enough. We cannot help those who do not wish to help themselves.

[JlIaTMK]

nope we arent.... they suffer a lot over there and they are really under privlaged.... the ghettos in the US r nothing compared to the slums in African.... one of my friends used to live in South America and he told me how bad the conditions are there....

[Spirited Away]

nope we arent.... they suffer a lot over there and they are really under privlaged.... the ghettos in the US r nothing compared to the slums in African.... one of my friends used to live in South America and he told me how bad the conditions are there....

And why should we them more than we already have?

If we do help them, how do you think we should go about doing it? Give them 20% of our income? Demand their government to follow our rules?

[EmeraldKnight]

And why should we them more than we already have?

If we do help them, how do you think we should go about doing it? Give them 20% of our income? Demand their government to follow our rules?

You left out "help" in the first sentence

Yes, good point.. why should we go and impose our culture on countries all over the world?

[SasukeNaru]

millions die from aids and the best cure: abstinence

[EmeraldKnight]

millions die from aids and the best cure: abstinence 

*nod* well.. there is no real "cure".. but yup, I totally agree

[onenonly101]

First, You can't really "help" an ENTIRE continent. If we were to help people it would be the country with the biggest Aid problem.

Second, People please do not believe everything you see and hear on national geographic or news, because that is never the entire story. Half of what people said above are myths.

Third, America has helped alot. The problem doesn't not lie with in the people the problem lies within the country's government. Becuase I swear to you everytime someone tries to do something to actually help the people some rival group wants to assinate him. Also the the military rules the country no good can happen inside the country.

[bigpoppaproppy]

what I said isnt from national geographic, its from my college education

[onenonly101]

Okay um let me say it like this have you ever been to an African country? Have you ever been to an African county with an AIDS problem. When you have get back to me.

[bigpoppaproppy]

Okay um let me say it like this have you ever been to an African country? Have you ever been to an African county with an AIDS problem. When you have get back to me.

so you can speak for EVERY part of africa and EVERY tribe right?

[Spirited Away]

Half of what people said above are myths.

I would appreciate it if you could point out these incorrect assumptions, aka myths. I'm not knowledgable about the region, nor do I know much about Aids except how it spreads.

Third, America has helped alot.

Right you are.

The problem doesn't not lie with in the people the problem lies within the country's government. Becuase I swear to you everytime someone tries to do something to actually help the people some rival group wants to assinate him. Also the the military rules the country no good can happen inside the country.

That's what I mean when I said that their laws are different then ours. We cannot do much to help if we do not have the law on our side.

[EmeraldKnight]

Gosh uninspiredfae (I dunno your real name, sorrie), you always bring up such good points

Why should we even bother trying to aid an entire continent when we can't even save ourselves.. what good will it do if we cripple our resources trying to aid others?

[sadolakced acid]

hmm... i dunno. every bomb we've dropped is worth like. 2000 dollars. we've drops tons.

it's my understanding that massive AIDS education programs would be a lot cheaper than bombing iraq.

and, africa isn't all tribes.

take south africa- very modernized, with a 30% AIDS population.

can't we educate them? 1 out of three people have AIDS.

it's where the old world crosses with the new, that probelms occur.

[Yemmerz]

so you can speak for EVERY part of africa and EVERY tribe right?

Tribe? You have been watching too much Southpark. They are civilized, they have cars. You know what, just hush =) Thank you in advance.

You know what, I think we are doing enough, because when I went, there were so many clinics for the sick, paid by the States. And the African countries finally got the message that this a serious problem. They are encouraging safe sex, just like we are. I think it may seem like we're not doing a lot, but it takes time. So after a while we will see the results. But the most we can do right here in the US, is to have safe sex, use those condoms damnit! AIDS is some serious stuff, and if it's either safe sex or no sex. (Yeah...I sound like the radio >< but I have a good point) I agree with uninspiredfae, it's not just Africa we need to worry about, it's everywhere.

FREE CONDOMS FOR ALL!...

[Spirited Away]

Gosh uninspiredfae (I dunno your real name, sorrie), you always bring up such good points

You can call me Fae... or whatever else you feel comfortable with. And thanks for the compliment as well as pointing out my missing "help"...

it's my understanding that massive AIDS education programs would be a lot cheaper than bombing iraq.

Like we have been trying to say earlier, sadolakced acid, education is USELESS if we do not have the means to protect the educated. What would you like the US to do? Spend money educating the people, then spend more money bribing their government to see things our way?

take south africa- very modernized, with a 30% AIDS population.

can't we educate them? 1 out of three people have AIDS.

We've been trying for a long time but nothing much can be done to help without people seeing our help in a positive light. I'm sure people do not like to be told what to do, nor do they like to change their lifestyles because a of a few strangers.

it's where the old world crosses with the new, that probelms occur.

True.

[sadolakced acid]

well, i guess there isn't really anything we can do. not many people in the US care about africa.

[Spirited Away]

well, i guess there isn't really anything we can do.  not many people in the US care about africa.

Ah, but you see, Americans are STILL trying to help even though we know the possible chance of failure, and that proves that many people do care about the well-being of others.

Heck, my friend wants to go to S. Africa for her med. internship to help people over there. I told her that she can do good a lot of good here, in the States, but she said that there are people who need help there and do not receive them as easily as in the US. (Such devotion... she's my inspiration!)

Anyway, not many people seem to care about the world's problems because there are enough problems in their own household.

[onenonly101]

\so you can speak for EVERY part of africa and EVERY tribe right?

I don't recall saying i did. And for future reference it is ETHNIC groups not tribes. I am Ibo, one of the major ethnic groups in Nigeria, but there are also the Youroba, Hausa, and other groups.

That's what I mean when I said that their laws are different then ours. We cannot do much to help if we do not have the law on our side.

Exactly alot of people do not understand that you cannot impose i guess i would say your rules and views, when the country is ruled entirely different.

the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this

they have 12 year olds left as the head of the household, working to support their siblings, becuase their parents have died of aids and they will too.

Those were the two I was talking about. The second one not so much as a myth but as only a percentage of situations.

Like big whatever said i don't know every country, and Nigeria doesn't have an AIDS epidemic but i do know stuff about the government and ways it gets in the way of helping their citizens

[bigpoppaproppy]

n/m, i thought you were referring to what I said

[Mini]

yeah, its really sad, 4 year old girls are getting raped because most AID carriers think that having sex with a virgin would cure AIDS...that's so disgusting yet its true.

isnt Bill Gates and Oprah trying to help this? i heard it somewhere on the Oprah show.

[ComradeRed]

We should blockade off Africa, and kill all the people with AIDS to stop the spread of the virus.

Actually, we don't really need to kill them. They're doing a pretty good job of killing themselves at this point.

[Mini]

We should blockade off Africa, and kill all the people with AIDS to stop the spread of the virus.

Actually, we don't really need to kill them. They're doing a pretty good job of killing themselves at this point.

lol

[shawty_redd]

We should blockade off Africa, and kill all the people with AIDS to stop the spread of the virus.

Actually, we don't really need to kill them. They're doing a pretty good job of killing themselves at this point.

somehow i dont see the humor in that ....o im sorry maybe because it was rude

[ComradeRed]

Rude and funny are not mutually exclusive. Some of the funniest stuff is the most offensive. www.theonion.com

[Mini]

somehow i dont see the humor in that ....o im sorry maybe because it was rude

it is rude but if u know his personality...that's so him it makes me laugh.

[bigpoppaproppy]

somehow i dont see the humor in that ....o im sorry maybe because it was rude

and also a viable option for an extreme case

if one day a virus comes like AIDS< and begins spreading rapidly and nthreatens the world with 48-72 hour death after contact, the best option is to exterminate the virus by isolating hosts and letting them die

[princess2113]

Rude and funny are not mutually exclusive. Some of the funniest stuff is the most offensive. www.theonion.com

well maybe u shuld keep that "funny" stuff to urself

[EmeraldKnight]

well maybe u shuld keep that "funny" stuff to urself

He's entitled to his own opinion.. besides it livens up the debate.. makes it less.. serious.. I like it

if one day a virus comes like AIDS< and begins spreading rapidly and nthreatens the world with 48-72 hour death after contact, the best option is to exterminate the virus by isolating hosts and letting them die

Isnt that what they did during the Black Death? Isolating them and stuff..

[onenonly101]

I don't think what he says ever lightens up a debate. ifn you hadn't noticed whenever he says something it causes more strife. And I don't think killing people is funny. You can say all you want about it ebing a joke, but it doesn't change the context it was said in.

We should blockade off Africa, and kill all the people with AIDS to stop the spread of the virus.

That wouldn't stop the spread. Because there are millions of American sufferring with AIDS and would like to travel to countries in Africa and then have sex with someone there spreading the disease

[Yemmerz]

He's entitled to his own opinion.. besides it livens up the debate.. makes it less.. serious.. I like it 

Now, now...if this was happening in your country, I bet you, you'd lash out in a second. Am I right? Thought so. Death is not funny. Okay? Okay. =)

Like I said before, AIDS is everywhere, so can't make about the Africans can ya, `cuz you have to talk about the Europeans who have it, the Asians who have it, the South Americans who have it... everyone. Because it's not just happening in Africa. We have to educate everyone, whether they don't want to know or not. It should be manditory. Because they may seem like they don't care, but next time they have sex, what you taught them will be on their mind, whether they want to admit it or not. Also..like I said before, condoms should be free, because some people like to have sex...alot. And it really goes into their pockets if you add up the expenses of just condoms. So, if they were free they would have one less reason on safe sex. Another is abstinance. People need to learn how to say no, because it's killing them. (>< Sorry guys, It's 11am...I'm not awake yet.)

[kyuubi319]

not to be mean to the people in africa with AIDS but do you know how many people die of cancer every year? and AIDs is too hard to kill, the bacteria that causes AIDs is constantly morphing. but with cancer, so many people die of cancer, and i dont see a cure yet... and dont you think we should concentrate on helping ourselves first. i know for a lot of countries the US is what helps them and in a lot of ways is a savior for them, but with all the people dying in our country, i think we should concentrate on helping ourselves first, i dont think that is very selfish. [and then you have those asses that say the US always butts into everyone elses business] also, to make our jobs a little easier, everyone [as in all races] could think more before they have sex with someone.

[EmeraldKnight]

not to be mean to the people in africa with AIDS but do you know how many people die of cancer every year? and AIDs is too hard to kill, the bacteria that causes AIDs is constantly morphing. but with cancer, so many people die of cancer, and i dont see a cure yet... and dont you think we should concentrate on helping ourselves first. i know for a lot of countries the US is what helps them and in a lot of ways is a savior for them, but with all the people dying in our country, i think we should concentrate on helping ourselves first, i dont think that is very selfish. [and then you have those asses that say the US always butts into everyone elses business] also, to make our jobs a little easier, everyone [as in all races] could think more before they have sex with someone.

Yes, we should definitely help ourselves first, once we eradicate it and fix it within our country, then we can help others..

Oh and you think cancer's easier to cure than AIDS? you can prevent getting AIDS, you cant prevent getting cancer

[ComradeRed]

I don't think what he says ever lightens up a debate. ifn you hadn't noticed whenever he says something it causes more strife. And I don't think killing people is funny. You can say all you want about it ebing a joke, but it doesn't change the context it was said in.


That wouldn't stop the spread. Because there are millions of American sufferring with AIDS and would like to travel to countries in Africa and then have sex with someone there spreading the disease

Do you know anyone from America that travels to Africa just to have sex with someone? Isn't that illegal or something? It should be.

[EmeraldKnight]

Do you know anyone from America that travels to Africa just to have sex with someone? Isn't that illegal or something? It should be.

That would be an excessive waste of airfare..

[ComradeRed]

Seriously, you can get a legal prostitute without AIDS for much less money in Nevada.

[Spirited Away]

Seriously, you can get a legal prostitute without AIDS for much less money in Nevada.

And you would know this... how?

[EmeraldKnight]

And you would know this... how?

Haha, looks like you're stuck Minda

lol well seeing as how a plane ride to Africa costs at least a thousand dollars (I think..), that's a pretty big amount.. do prostitutes cost that much Minda?

[onenonly101]

Do you know anyone from America that travels to Africa just to have sex with someone? Isn't that illegal or something? It should be.

I didn't say that that was their man focus on going there.

Yeah Emarld the cheapest ticket you'll find to Nigeria is about 1300 and that is if you get the ticket in like January and you aren't going till December. We booked our flight to Nigeria last week for 1717 a person(there is seven of us) and we aren't going until Christmas

[EmeraldKnight]

I didn't say that that was their man focus on going there.

Yeah Emarld the cheapest ticket you'll find to Nigeria is about 1300 and that is if you get the ticket in like January and you aren't going till December. We booked our flight to Nigeria last week for 1717 a person(there is seven of us) and we aren't going until Christmas

Wow.... that is a lot..

[sweetxsimplicity]

nope. About 60 percent of the people in africa have AIDS, about 6 percent of the people in US have AIDS.

[EmeraldKnight]

nope. About 60 percent of the people in africa have AIDS, about 6 percent of the people in US have AIDS.

But think of all the resources it would take for us to help them.. like has already been previously stated.. because there's no current cure for AIDS, we can onli educate people to prevent the spread, but the education alone isnt enough.. gah.. I can't say it write.. uninspiredfae said it the best:

When people live by the same laws or traditions for centuries, it takes time and a great deal of persuation to make changes.

If we educate one woman, and she comes home to her husband, who is still ignorant, that education has gone to waste. Or if you educate the woman, but she gets raped.

So, in such a society, not only do we need to educate its people, but we also need to protect the educated, something that is completely out of our jurisdiction as their laws are different than ours.

In addition, Aids is a world wide problem. In my opinion, the US and other countries has helped enough. We cannot help those who do not wish to help themselves.

[angel-roh]

the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this.

i aqree with u mini... i think they shud teach those african students to stop raping... so the aids can be over... i think the aids are increasing in africa...so i think about 20 or more tutors shud go there and teach them to stop... and wat AID can do... if they dont accept it...let them die then... i know im being harsh... but dont they want to live?

[princess2113]

i aqree with u mini... i think they shud teach those african students to stop raping... so the aids can be over... i think the aids are increasing in africa...so i think about 20 or more tutors shud go there and teach them to stop... and wat AID can do... if they dont accept it...let them die then... i know im being harsh... but dont they want to live?

ok the ppl there dunt get it frum having sex all the time...if their great great great grandparents have it, then the probably do too...that happends in US n other places too, just not as much

[angel-roh]

ok the ppl there dunt get it frum having sex all the time...if their great great great grandparents have it, then the probably do too...that happends in US n other places too, just not as much

um... i dont kno wat to say to that...hmm... oh.... um... but... umm... well i guess then we have to save them... i mean wat if everyone in africa died... that country will be empty O_O;; heh well i guess we gotta save them, but at least a tutor we need... to tell them to stop passing aids... i mean some of their grandparents might not have one... so yeah at least teach them a lesson. just asking do they have any tutors in africa to teach them about it? just at least ONE?

[princess2113]

um... i dont kno wat to say to that...hmm... oh.... um... but... umm... well i guess then we have to save them... i mean wat if everyone in africa died... that country will be empty O_O;; heh well i guess we gotta save them, but at least a tutor we need... to tell them to stop passing aids... i mean some of their grandparents might not have one... so yeah at least teach them a lesson. just asking do they have any tutors in africa to teach them about it? just at least ONE?

of course...all those missionaries and stuff...but have u noticed the size of Africa?

[aznlyka]

the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this.

sum of men infected with the aids virus were told that if they have sex with a young girl they would be cured because the blood of a young lady would be fresh.

dam, even dads would rape their own daughters.
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even though it would be a good thing to help people in africa, we're in a really big deficit, and so how can we afford to do that.

there are celebrities that help alot with aids and stuff, sooo....

[ComradeRed]

Let's see... at $10,000 a year... times 600 million people in Africa... means that we'd be spending $6,000,000,000,000 to give every African AIDS drugs... The current budget of the US Government is about $2,000,000,000,000, so we would have to quadruple taxes... would you really want to live in a society with a 188% personal tax rate? For every dollar you earn, you pay $1.88 to buy AIDS drugs for horny African people? How long do you think an economy would last?

Whereas following my plan of sealing off areas with AIDS and letting all the people with AIDS kill each other would only have a negligible cost.

[Spirited Away]

ok the ppl there dunt get it frum having sex all the time...if their great great great grandparents have it, then the probably do too...that happends in US n other places too, just not as much

Really?

I never heard of AIDs running in the family (unless your grandparent had AIDs and had your mother, then your mother would have AIDs. If she lived long enough to have you, then you would have AIDs).

But you're right that people don't get it from just having sex. If you have an open injury and you're exposed to blood or some other bodily fluids of a person who has AIDs, then you have a good chance of catching the disease.

[ComradeRed]

AIDS can transfer from woman to child, but not from man to child.

[princess2113]

Really?

I never heard of AIDs running in the family (unless your grandparent had AIDs and had your mother, then your mother would have AIDs. If she lived long enough to have you, then you would have AIDs).

But you're right that people don't get it from just having sex. If you have an open injury and you're exposed to blood or some other bodily fluids of a person who has AIDs, then you have a good chance of catching the disease.

thats what i meant it wuld be passed down to each woman

[EmeraldKnight]

thats what i meant it wuld be passed down to each woman

Yes, it would, providing that she doesnt die of AIDS first (think someone already mentioned it..)

[Spirited Away]

Yes, it would, providing that she doesnt die of AIDS first (think someone already mentioned it..)

*jumps up and down* I did, I did!

Really?

I never heard of AIDs running in the family (unless your grandparent had AIDs and had your mother, then your mother would have AIDs. If she lived long enough to have you, then you would have AIDs).

[princess2113]

*jumps up and down* I did, I did!

lol funny funny
yeah i think we shuld help ppl here first...but i mean Africa is on this planet n when more Africans come over here, a lot of them may bring the disease...so i dunno

[onenonly101]

nope. About 60 percent of the people in africa have AIDS, about 6 percent of the people in US have AIDS.

um where did you get that information from?

[ComradeRed]

That does seem a little high...

Time to consult the CIA World Factbook... the only thing that the CIA has done correctly:

United States AIDS Infection Rate: 0.6%
Africa AIDS Infection Rate: I'm not going to calculate the whole thing, but the highest country is Zimbawbwe with 33.4% infection rate.

[onenonly101]

i should've just edited but anyways.

princess what you last said is ignorant, if you didn't know it isn't Africans who are bringing the dieases over. The Europeans and Spainards brought the diseases over. And just recently the Europeans have brought mad cow and such over.

Ya'll(excluding, fae,emerald, and com) post like everyone in the CONTINENT(please remember continent) is stupid and uneduated. Atleast know your facts and present your sources before you say anything.

This should be named how to deal with the ENTIRE AIDS epidemic.

Here are some facts for everyone.

8.5%(a contrast to the "60%") of Africans have AIDs.
North Africa & the Middle East 0.2-0.4%
South & South East Asia 0.4-0.8%
East Asia & Pacific 0.1-0.1%
Latin America 0.5-0.7 %
Caribbean 1.9-3.1 %
Eastern Europe & Central Asia05-0.9%
Western Europe 0.3-0.3%
North America 0.5-0.7%
Australia & New Zealand- 0.1-0.1%
from Avert.org

It just makes me so mad how people have a twisted views of Africans like we are all barbaric and stupid and have AIDS. I mean shoot i just got it bad, I'm,African,Black,Christian,American, and a female

[ComradeRed]

The Europeans brought over like ... smallpox. Geez, people should get over things from 500 years ago. I'm Chinese and I'm not angry at the Mongols...

[princess2113]

princess what you last said is ignorant, if you didn't know it isn't Africans who are bringing the dieases over. The Europeans and Spainards brought the diseases over. And just recently the Europeans have brought mad cow and such over.

how was i ignorant? maybe u misunderstood what i said...im saying i think we need to help the ppl in the US first...i mean its our tax $$ it shuld cover our country, but they still live on the same planet as us...we are all somehow related and should help those in need...and i was just making a point saying that when they if they come to the US, or any other coutry, as our universe gets more diveres, they bring the disease...i never said that the Europeans didnt give it to the Africans and i also never said they were uneducated, tons of them dont even get it by having sex...im not sure what i said that offended u...but sorry? ive agreed with all ur other post thou so...im not even debating u so u dunt need to be offended

[EmeraldKnight]

Here are some facts for everyone.

8.5%(a contrast to the "60%") of Africans have AIDs.
North Africa & the Middle East 0.2-0.4%
South & South East Asia 0.4-0.8%
East Asia & Pacific 0.1-0.1%
Latin America 0.5-0.7 %
Caribbean 1.9-3.1 %
Eastern Europe & Central Asia05-0.9%
Western Europe 0.3-0.3%
North America 0.5-0.7%
Australia & New Zealand- 0.1-0.1%
from Avert.org

It just makes me so mad how people have a twisted views of Africans like we are all barbaric and stupid and have AIDS. I mean shoot i just got it bad, I'm,African,Black,Christian,American, and a female

Thanks for the facts, and well.. you can't easily changed centuries of cultural views..

The Europeans brought over like ... smallpox. Geez, people should get over things from 500 years ago. I'm Chinese and I'm not angry at the Mongols...

The Europeans could've brought AIDS as well, but the probability of African's bringing it would be higher because it originated in Africa; what are you saying with the 500 years thing?

how was i ignorant? maybe u misunderstood what i said...im saying i think we need to help the ppl in the US first...i mean its our tax $$ it shuld cover our country, but they still live on the same planet as us...we are all somehow related and should help those in need...and i was just making a point saying that when they if they come to the US, or any other coutry, as our universe gets more diveres, they bring the disease...i never said that the Europeans didnt give it to the Africans and i also never said they were uneducated, tons of them dont even get it by having sex...im not sure what i said that offended u...but sorry? ive agreed with all ur other post thou so...im not even debating u so u dunt need to be offended 

Mm.. they may have originally brought the disease, but once in another country, and once it spreads, its impossible to trace with all the transportation now connecting the world..

Wait.. "I never said that the Europeans didnt give it to the Africans"? it originated in Africa.. Africa had to give it to Europe first..

We do need to help those in need, but onli after helping ourselves..
What good is trying to help them if it will hurt us right now?
Ok, I agree.. some time in the future, we should do more to help, but now is not the time.. with an ongoing war on terror, an enormous budget deficit, continued inflation, how can we spare resources to help a whole continent?

[sadolakced acid]

it originated in africa, in the places where the european civilization put it's mark.

first, they built a highway. truckers go through fast.
they brought prostitution. they ply thier trade along the road.

small village in jungle, someone eats some monkey meat, get it. usually, it's isolated. but then he gets a job as a trucker, picks up some whores along the way...

then one of the whores feels sick, goes to a clinic that only uses one needle per day for everyone because they don't have enough money. 100s of people now have it.
then they go to clinics again.

that's how it happens. it's where the old and new cross.

south africa(the country) -- 30% aids rate. look it up, CIA world factbook.

[sadolakced acid]

the US is not doing enough, as proved that they denied one billion dollars to the UN at the AIDs confrence, yet still have 89 billion to fund the war in iraq.

[Spirited Away]

the US is not doing enough, as proved that they denied one billion dollars to the UN  at the AIDs confrence, yet still have 89 billion to fund the war in iraq.

WHY should we do anything more than we already have?

Uh... is it Americans fault that people have aids or something?

[sadolakced acid]

why shouldn't we help?

your fellow humans are dying, and you will not save them?

[Spirited Away]

why shouldn't we help?

your fellow humans are dying, and you will not save them?

Right, we SHOULD help them because it's the moral thing to do...

BUT we have no OBLIGATIONS to do so.

Those are two different things. We don't NEED to help, but we should help becaus lives are important.

Why must there be a set amount that WE need shell out? We have to give 1 billion while other european countries COMBINE give 1 billion.

Is that fair?

I mean, we're one country, and they're.... i think there's more than 10 of them (in the Euro zone, I'll check later).

[ComradeRed]

Uh... is it Americans fault that people have aids or something?

Definitely. Everyone knows that. http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/395/13372_AIDS.html

[Spirited Away]

Definitely. Everyone knows that. http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/395/13372_AIDS.html

Hmm, okay I read it... it doesn't tell me, that as an American, what my role is with other people getting Aids.

The author also says that "the good news is that HIV/AIDS are completely curable."

I don't know about you, but I find that funny.

[ComradeRed]

It shows that americans are responsible for developing AIDS as a bioterrorism weapon, and also for hiding reall easy cures.

[Spirited Away]

It shows that americans are responsible for developing AIDS as a bioterrorism weapon, and also for hiding reall easy cures.

Okay, may be I need to ask something.

Aids originated where? And the article says that the US created a bioweapon using aids and other diseases. Is this an underground operation? Because as far as I know, I haven't heard anything about that.

And according to the author "the cost [of curing AIDS] is almost nil", then why do we have to cough up 1 billion dollars?

[sadolakced acid]

but we spend 80 billion dollars to wage war on a man who didn't bother us,

but we cannot spend 1 billion bollars on a threat that is real? AIDS kills more people a year than saddam has killed in his lifetime.


and i think the presentation of that article was a joke. you know, humor.

the article isn't a joke, but using it as an argument sure is.

[Spirited Away]

but we spend 80 billion dollars to wage war on a man who didn't bother us,

That's because it's our money, we should be able to spend our money on what we want, right?

but we cannot spend 1 billion bollars on a threat that is real?  AIDS kills more people a year than saddam has killed in his lifetime. 

Like I said, we SHOULD, but it shouldn't be an obligation to do so.

and i think the presentation of that article was a joke.  you know, humor.

the article isn't a joke, but using it as an argument sure is.

Gee, I don't know why I said I thought it was "funny" on my first post to reply, if I didn't think it was.

[sadolakced acid]

80 billion , yet half the american people don't even think we should be in iraq.

80 billion, with only partial support of the contry.

it's our money. Mr. bush just wasted it on his old enemy.

[Spirited Away]

80 billion , yet half the american people don't even think we should be in iraq.

It's more than half now that do not want us in Iraq, but that's kind of late...

Still, why must we be obligated to do anything about it? Sure, it's the moral and humanist thing to do, but why MUST we?

80 billion, with only partial support of the contry. 

Huh? All I'm saying is, why does the US have to shell out 1 billion when the other European countries combine give 1 billion as well? Shouldn't they like give 10 billions or something?

it's our money.  Mr.  bush just wasted it on his old enemy.

It's whose money?

[EmeraldKnight]

It's more than half now that do not want us in Iraq, but that's kind of late...

Still, why must we be obligated to do anything about it? Sure, it's the moral and humanist thing to do, but why MUST we?

Morally, everyone should help their fellow person.. but in reality, do they? HELL NO.. if we start expending all these resources on a problem with no foreseeable cure, we're going to be wearing ourselves down, making US more vulnerable..

Look, if you want to send money over there, donate all you want.. but I'm not going to have my tax dollars wasted on an entire continent that I dont believe can benefit from it nearly enough

[sadolakced acid]

note that we could spend tax dollars on AIDS research, which would benifit a lot.

[Spirited Away]

note that we could spend tax dollars on AIDS research, which would benifit a lot.

I concur, but we should spend it on research to help BUT NOT because someone said we MUST do it for the benefit of another country.

[EmeraldKnight]

note that we could spend tax dollars on AIDS research, which would benifit a lot.

Also note the stubborness of our politicians to care about anything besides "national defense"

[rnrn897]

they're gonna die.. let them be..
wut we need to do is find a cure.. not wasting money on people who're gonna die unless we find a cure -0-

[EmeraldKnight]

they're gonna die.. let them be..
wut we need to do is find a cure.. not wasting money on people who're gonna die unless we find a cure -0-

That is a realli erm.. cruel view.. but I have to agree on practicality

We could do much better finding a cure and preventing others from being afflicted than we could trying to help ones already stricken with the disease

[Spirited Away]

Here's something interesting.

There was an idea that drug users be given new syringes and needles so they could lower the spread of HIV by more than 12,000...

[sadolakced acid]

haha. that's crazy.

well, personaly, i usually leave the suffering people in third world countries alone.

but there does need to be something done. you can't just let a contient be wiped out.

and it's spreading in asia like wildfire.

[EmeraldKnight]

Here's something interesting.

There was an idea that drug users be given new syringes and needles so they could lower the spread of HIV by more than 12,000...

Erm... why would drug users do that? Wouldnt that be admitting that they use drugs? And isnt certain drug use illegal?

haha. that's crazy.

well, personaly, i usually leave the suffering people in third world countries alone.

but there does need to be something done. you can't just let a contient be wiped out.

and it's spreading in asia like wildfire.

Something needs to be done, but we shouldnt have to do it; its everyone's problem, the entire world must band together.. we shall all unite!

[sadolakced acid]

yea, the UN was going to do something about it, but they don't have enough money now.

[EmeraldKnight]

yea, the UN was going to do something about it, but they don't have enough money now

And we do? Pfft.. did you see my post in "Lounge" about the US National Debt?

[sadolakced acid]

you also know the cost of the war which we got ourselves into.

[EmeraldKnight]

you also know the cost of the war which we got ourselves into

We? Pfft.. I dont recall ever supporting the war..

[sadolakced acid]

well, we as in a country.

i never supported the war, but we ended up there anyways.

[EmeraldKnight]

well, we as in a country.

i never supported the war, but we ended up there anyways

Heh.. we seem to be all to focused on the wrong things lately..

[Spirited Away]

We? Pfft.. I dont recall ever supporting the war..

I supported strongly at first because of a silly reason called 'displacement' for 9/11, but I see the folly in that, but I still support US presence there.

Heh.. we seem to be all to focused on the wrong things lately..

I'm still hungry

[EmeraldKnight]

I supported strongly at first because of a silly reason called 'displacement' for 9/11, but I see the folly in that, but I still support US presence there.

What's displacement?

I'm still hungry 

*guides her towards nearest buffet line*

[sadolakced acid]

i don't think we should have ever gone, but now that we're there we have to stay there.

[EmeraldKnight]

i don't think we should have ever gone, but now that we're there we have to stay there.

Why do we have to stay there? Use our money to maintain troops there.. our soldiers are dying out there.. tell me, why must we stay?

[Spirited Away]

What's displacement?

Psychology term for taking my anger for 9/11 on something (almost) non-related (as I believe that there is a relationship bw Iraq and terrorists).

*guides her towards nearest buffet line*

*Grabs your hand and took a bite*... HAHAHAH GOTCHA!!!