Obama/Biden 08 Options

[brooklyneast05]

do you think this the right VP pick for obama?



edit:
by the way biden is his pick that was announced early this morning.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/23/bid...date/index.html

[SuckDickNSaveLiv...]

I have no idea honestly, but I doubt it will be Hilary.
I always thought Edwards would be a good choice, just have to wait and see who he chooses.

[brooklyneast05]

Obama/Biden is the ticket. he announced it at like 3 in the morning, so it's ok that you haven't heard yet. i shoulda probably clarified that in my topic that this is the official pick.

[SuckDickNSaveLiv...]

Damn I need a late pass.
But to be honest I really don't know enough about Biden to make a solid opinion. I'm going to fall back and do some research, don't want no one attacking me like in that other thread.

[hi-C]

I really like Biden, he and Richardson were my favorites during the nomination process, they performed really well in those early debates. I especially liked Richardson because he's fluent in Spanish, so he would've brought something different and mirrored the changing face of the country. But Biden's cool.

I have no idea honestly, but I doubt it will be Hilary.
I always thought Edwards would be a good choice, just have to wait and see who he chooses.

@ Edwards; Edwards' political career is beyond dead.

[hi-res]

Yeah, I was so for the possibility of Edwards being VP. Then he had to go eff it all up.

[The-March-Hare]

I've missed getting Carrie and Kiera confused...

Anyway. I think it's a pretty good ticket, from the persepective of someone who can't vote for it.

[kryogenix]

Biden plagiarized some British politician, and has made racist comments in the past.

The choice makes sense, but I still don't like either of them.

Doesn't matter anyway, Obama has one of the staunchest baby killing platforms anyway. He could have appointed Gandhi as his VP and I still wouldn't vote for him.

[SuckDickNSaveLiv...]

I really like Biden, he and Richardson were my favorites during the nomination process, they performed really well in those early debates. I especially liked Richardson because he's fluent in Spanish, so he would've brought something different and mirrored the changing face of the country. But Biden's cool.

@ Edwards; Edwards' political career is beyond dead.

I told yall I was going to have to fall back.
*is forced to lean back like Fat Joe*

[Tung]

He should've pick Bob Dole!!!

[hi-C]

I just can't believe he picked someone that bashed on him earlier.

Well, all the presidential hopefuls bashed him at some point =\

[MissFits]

I really liked Biden.
When I worked at Jungle Jims my boss told me about him and I loved his stances on things.
I think they just might get my vote.

[coconutter]

I think it was a wonderful choice.

Biden has tons of political experience. Some people argue that Obama does not have any political experience, and therefore he should not be put in office. With Biden as his running mate, he has the back up he needs when it comes to political experience.

Plus, he might get some of the old white racist men's votes.

[*paperplane*]

I just can't believe he picked someone that bashed on him earlier.

It's the nature of politics.

[kryogenix]

Pretty enlightening article

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92NT5P80.html

[SuckDickNSaveLiv...]

Pretty enlightening article

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92NT5P80.html

That was a pretty good read. I think the article is on point somewhat though, because Obama knows they are going to use his inexperience against him.

Obama still got my vote though, that dude swag is through the roof.

[Tung]

I'm ordering one as we speak. It's free.

Oh, and Obama has that swag. Just like Bill Clinton, but Obama has way more.

[SuckDickNSaveLiv...]

https://www.moveon.org/images/vpstickers/printlib1.gif
I'm ordering one as we speak. It's free.

Oh, and Obama has that swag. Just like Bill Clinton, but Obama has way more.

Im about to campaign for Obama by putting vote for him in my sig. I need a banner. LOL

[The-March-Hare]

Pretty enlightening article

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92NT5P80.html

*shrugs*

What's so enlightening about Obama balancing the ticket? It's what I would do. It doesn't necessarily say anything about his own confidence, but rather about his perception of the voters. It's just astute, and not even remarkably so.

[brooklyneast05]

it seems like common sense to me just like how a lot of people don't have faith in McCain's economic knowledge, so they want him to pick a VP with more knowledge/experience there.

i think in the end it's better to go that way.

[The-March-Hare]

Exactly. That article is just a predictable negative analysis from someone who I assume wouldn't have voted for him whoever he had named as VP candidate, and who would likely have written a similar article about whoever else he'd named.

[kryogenix]

Exactly. That article is just a predictable negative analysis from someone who I assume wouldn't have voted for him whoever he had named as VP candidate, and who would likely have written a similar article about whoever else he'd named.

lol bullshit

You're telling me the article would have been the same if he appointed, say, Bayh or Hillary?

Talk out of your ass more.

[hi-C]

*shrugs*

What's so enlightening about Obama balancing the ticket? It's what I would do. It doesn't necessarily say anything about his own confidence, but rather about his perception of the voters. It's just astute, and not even remarkably so.

Cosign. My friend was saying pretty much the same thing last night before Biden was officially announced. And he's not politically minded in any way, shape or form.

[kryogenix]

sure is LACK OF READING COMPREHENSION in here!

[hi-C]

How is it lack of reading comprehension? You called that article "pretty enlightening" and two people think it's redundant.

[Tung]

I'm not for or against that article Kryo posted, but 2 people agreeing on the article being redundant doesn't make it right to null the article in any way. Just sayin

Carry on.

[hi-C]

I'm not nulling it, really =\ I didn't mean to. I'm just saying that James and I weren't not comprehending it.

[brooklyneast05]

i didn't comprehend it either. i understood the article fine, but it's not like it's not something that was obvious to begin with imo. i don't disagree with it, because it's right, people could take it that way. i do take it that way to an extent.

the article is one way of looking at it. it's a negative way of looking at it. there's a negative way of looking at any VP he could have chosen. there's a negative way of looking at basically everything in the world. the acknowledgment that the situation can be looked at not only positively but negatively...is not enlightening to me. it's common sense.

[*paperplane*]

lol bullshit

You're telling me the article would have been the same if he appointed, say, Bayh or Hillary?

Talk out of your ass more.

He said similar, not the same. The point may not have been identical, but something else could have been said to the same effect.

[The-March-Hare]

^ Exactly.

I have no idea whether or not the article is right, and Obama's personal confidence is fading, nor do I imagine the author knows especially well, either. It may well be bang on the nose, but 'enlightening' isn't the word I'd have used for it.

More 'predictably negative,' or 'mildly interesting speculation.'

[kryogenix]

uh oh, paperplane to the rescue!

sounds like "i don't agree with the conclusions that the author is saying, so I'll cheapen it with a response that basically means 'well, that's your opinion!'"

[The-March-Hare]

Well, it is his opinion, isn't it? The article is speculative, that's just true. It doesn't really take much to cheapen it. Journalistic fluff.

Oh, and do stop with the rescue thing. If we're going to go through the tiresome procedure of you trying to undermine me, you'll have to do better than that. She's my friend, we agree a lot. Next!

[kryogenix]

lol yep, you're completely right, the fact that Biden is a racist and washington insider are a great complement to Obama.

looks like a struck a nerve here.

[The-March-Hare]

Lol. Yes, my soul is weeping. Just saying, you know, if you're gonna play that game, try harder or you'll lose.

*shrug*

[kryogenix]

so yep, if Evan Bayh was the nominee, the article would have been exactly the same, even though he's not a racist/old man washington insider and not seen as strong on foreign policy. The author would have been able to write ALMOST the same exact article considering those facts.

Congrats on talking out of your ass. And congrats paperplane for blindly coming to his defense.

[The-March-Hare]

He probably would have written a similarly negative article, yes. That being what I actually said. Should I make a comment about a lack of ability to infer meaning? Oh honestly, this is just a ridiculous conversation. Done with you now.

Oh, Carrie and JC agreed with me to an extent too... Please don't leave them out of the sarcastic congratulations, it'll hurt their feelings.

[kryogenix]

He probably would have written a similarly negative article, yes. That being what I actually said. Should I make a comment about a lack of ability to infer meaning? Oh honestly, this is just a ridiculous conversation. Done with you now.

Oh, Carrie and JC agreed with me to an extent too... Please don't leave them out of the sarcastic congratulations, it'll hurt their feelings.

Quick: without looking at the article tell me who the author was and what organization he works with, since you obviously know his prejudices and how he'd write an article on any given person.

Oh wait, you don't and you're pulling more shit out of your ass.

Good idea to quit now before you dig yourself into a bigger hole.

[*paperplane*]

so yep, if Evan Bayh was the nominee, the article would have been exactly the same, even though he's not a racist/old man washington insider and not seen as strong on foreign policy. The author would have been able to write ALMOST the same exact article considering those facts.

Congrats on talking out of your ass. And congrats paperplane for blindly coming to his defense.

Please, I'd have said the same thing in response to anyone, because you're purposefully misunderstanding the point.

He has still never said it would be exactly the same, he said similar, which is true. It wouldn't have been an article on Biden being a racist old man who's stong on foreign policy, it'd have been an article on _____ who's a ______ and strong on ______ which makes Obama seen ______. Do you think there's one person who could have become the VP nominee and not inspired articles on how he/she was a bad choice? Of course not.

[brooklyneast05]

there's a negative way of looking at any VP he could have chosen. there's a negative way of looking at basically everything in the world. the acknowledgment that the situation can be looked at not only positively but negatively...is not enlightening to me. it's common sense.

yeah, i agree with carrie, james and nicki on this. i really don't see what the big deal here is since no one was even arguing the actual article. it seems that anyone who disagreed was just stating that they personally didn't find it enlightening.

i don't even care though because my political topic got two pages of replies so this is a good thing to me.

[kryogenix]

Please, I'd have said the same thing in response to anyone, because you're purposefully misunderstanding the point.

He has still never said it would be exactly the same, he said similar, which is true. It wouldn't have been an article on Biden being a racist old man who's stong on foreign policy, it'd have been an article on _____ who's a ______ and strong on ______ which makes Obama seen ______. Do you think there's one person who could have become the VP nominee and not inspired articles on how he/she was a bad choice? Of course not.

lol except that's not what the article is about in the first place

you're criticizing the article for not being enlightening, yet basically what you're saying is "THEIR WILL ALWAYZ BE HATERZ LOL." How insightful of you!

by his own admission he knows nothing about what the article is talking about, yet he feels the article doesn't shed light on a thing, just because he doesn't agree with the conclusion the author is drawing

sounds like you're just pissed someone wrote something negative about Obama.

[*paperplane*]

Well in that case, you only find it enlightening because you don't like Obama. It works both ways.

By whose own admission? Mine? I have admitted nothing to that effect, nor am I a guy.

It's not that I have a problem with the conclusion of the article, it's just no more enlightening than any other analysis of his pick I've read.

[kryogenix]

Well in that case, you only find it enlightening because you don't like Obama. It works both ways.

No, I found it enlightening because I knew very little about Biden in the first place.

If you're the type of person that takes opinions as facts, you need to wake up.

By whose own admission? Mine? I have admitted nothing to that effect, nor am I a guy.

Let's use some critical thinking here. I know it's a lot to expect from you, but please try.

It's not that I have a problem with the conclusion of the article, it's just no more enlightening than any other analysis of his pick I've read.

Nor is it any less. Yet you guys made it seem like a worthless read.

Keep digging yourself deeper!

[*paperplane*]

Not worthless, but I did already know a decent amount about Biden, so there wasn't all that much more to get out of it, really. Once again, nothing to be terribly enlightened by.

And yeah, that's why unclear pronoun references are discouraged.

[kryogenix]

Not worthless, but I did already know a decent amount about Biden, so there wasn't all that much more to get out of it, really. Once again, nothing to be terribly enlightened by.

And yeah, that's why unclear pronoun references are discouraged.

Yet you felt it necessary to speak on behalf of someone who didn't.

Good job!

Would you like me to change your diapers for you too?

[brooklyneast05]

can we all just move the f**k on? some people find this article enlightening and some don't, there really isn't anything to argue about that.

[kryogenix]

i kno rite? y am i hatin on joe budden

[Tung]

This topic beats my "HAHAH, Mcain is an idiot" topic JC

James vs James > Reidar vs mipadi?

Damn you JC.

[brooklyneast05]

This topic beats my "HAHAH, Mcain is an idiot" topic JC
James vs James > Reidar vs mipadi?
Damn you JC.

reidar vs mipadi was way way better though.

[*paperplane*]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/...8_08/014385.php

[brooklyneast05]

thank you.

[hi-C]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/...8_08/014385.php

You are amazing.

[The-March-Hare]

(I found that and showed it to Nicki)

But yeah, she's ok too.

[hi-C]

You guys are both amazing

[The-March-Hare]

Lol. We try, we try.

[kryogenix]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/...8_08/014385.php

lol ad hominem fallacy

try again