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post Jun 25 2004, 04:18 PM
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yeah. terrible guy. don't see his movie, it'll poison your mind.
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 04:32 PM
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oh, that fat dude? yah he is fat.
butt wait.. how is he suppose to poison your mind. _dry.gif
 
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AHH I HATE MICHAEL MOORE, TOO! I say it's a waste of money going to see that movie. _dry.gif His books SUCK, too. mad.gif
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 04:38 PM
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what movie??? michael moore? never heard of him
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 04:53 PM
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yeah he made that movie fahrenheit 9/11...it's supposed to be a bunch a crap on bush.
 
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yeah i read about that agian this morning. it looks interesting though. if it were in a theater near me, i would go see it just out of curiosity
 
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who in the world is he
 
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I just watched the news about him... i never really heard about what he did.. soOo iono.. _unsure.gif
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 06:38 PM
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i would see his movie just to see his views on every thing that is going on and stuff
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 06:38 PM
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huh? never heard of him...hmm...
 
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For all of you that don't know him, Michael Moore is the epitome of the anti-Bush movement. He's a super-liberal that's out to get Bush. No one should listen to him. He's stupid. mellow.gif
 
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i never heard of michael moore.
 
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Never heard of him. Might recognize him if I saw a pic though.
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 09:04 PM
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i love michael moore. he exposes the awful truth.

i really wanna see Farenheit 9 11, too. bowling for columbine is great.
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 09:33 PM
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I'll probably catch this movie anyway, then make my own opinion out of it.

As much as I dispise Bush, Moore too is a complete embicile and far too Liberal. He does have a point in some areas, but most of his views are flawed and basically just points his fingers and blame without providing solutions to the problem. Way to go by providing a one-sided perspective. rolleyes.gif

Interesting, here's a film in another perspective taking on Michael Moore's work, which I found on another forum: http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com
 
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i wana see that movie now that uve gotten me interested.... i despise bush too
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 10:03 PM
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I hate that guy. _dry.gif

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QUOTE(StarryEyedSurprize @ Jun 25 2004, 4:38 PM)
what movie??? michael moore? never heard of him

HAHAHAHAA I AGREE
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 10:29 PM
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Dammit you people need to F'ing pay attention to the news more. His name comes-up very-so-often. :pounds fist on the table:

He is the author of these books:





Out-spoken Liberal activist and documentary filmmaker of Roger & Me, Bowling For Columbine and Farenheit 9/11.

Now you know.
 
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post Jun 25 2004, 10:31 PM
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I saw him on the daily show with Jon stewart. It seems like he is just using his own opinions in the movie, and I don't think that's right.
 
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QUOTE(Luster Soldier @ Jun 25 2004, 7:31 PM)
I saw him on the daily show with Jon stewart. It seems like he is just using his own opinions in the movie, and I don't think that's right.

Was this on tonight? I have to see this episode.
 
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QUOTE(Viggen @ Jun 25 2004, 10:33 PM)
Was this on tonight? I have to see this episode.

I just saw it, so I think it might be a re-run.
 
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Oh man...the thing is, his "documentaries" aren't actually documentaries. _dry.gif
 
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jun 25 2004, 10:48 PM)
Oh man...the thing is, his "documentaries" aren't actually documentaries. _dry.gif

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n. pl. docˇuˇmenˇtaˇries

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.


what's not ducumentarie-ish about his stuff?

i havn't seen farenheit 9 11 yet, but i know bowling for columbine fits that description perfectly.
 
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i seriously have no interest in seeing F. 9/11. and yea i really dont care for him either.

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He's a pain in the @ss as far as I'm concerned. He acts like his opinions are golden. Well you know what they say about opinions laugh.gif
 
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QUOTE(Viggen @ Jun 25 2004, 10:29 PM)
Dammit you people need to F'ing pay attention to the news more. His name comes-up very-so-often. :pounds fist on the table:

He is the author of these books:





Out-spoken Liberal activist and documentary filmmaker of Roger & Me, Bowling For Columbine and Farenheit 9/11.

Now you know.

he looks retarded. yet funny
 
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Here's some conservative counteroffensive. biggrin.gif

 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 25 2004, 4:18 PM)
yeah. terrible guy. don't see his movie, it'll poison your mind.

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i like moore


the movie was entertaining and eye-opening. its worth seeing.


luster-> what do yuo think EVERY movie is!? what do yuo think the NEWS is!? unbiased? LMFAO give me a break
 
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what's not ducumentarie-ish about his stuff?

Um the fact that he creates them out of the majority of his opinions. For example, he makes it sound as if Bin Laden's family was let loose by Bush for no reason. Okay, they passed through the freaking FBI, and they had nothing to do with 9/11, nor where they helping Bin Laden in any way with his views and whatnot.

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Dude, seriously! laugh.gif
 
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what do yuo think EVERY movie is!? what do yuo think the NEWS is!? unbiased? LMFAO give me a break

i'll admit not everything is unbiased, but F. 9/11 takes it to the extreme. it's bias and a half.
 
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Wow. What kind of person makes a movie to diss the president? i think it just makes america look bad.
 
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With all the money Michael Moore has, you would think he'd get a personal trainer or a nutrionist...
 
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hey, dont hate on michael moore. all his films rocked! fahrenheit 911 really brought out some meaning to it. bowling in columbine was great. chris rock was mad funny about if bullets costed 2000, no one would be shooting. and the other part where this kid pulled out 92394 guns from his pants hahah
 
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post Jun 26 2004, 10:26 PM
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its this guy who made this movie called fahrenheit 9/11
it criticizes/pokes fun at bush
i heard that in the movie -- while the twin tower attack is takin place
bush is playing golf or somn..
it sounds interestin but its a buncha bullshizzoo
 
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post Jun 26 2004, 10:31 PM
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Michael Moore is the ultimate spin doctor, I lost respect for him half way through "bowling for columbine".

He's not here to bring you the truth, he's only here to push around his overbloated image with half-truths and lies.

Although I lean Democratic, I hate Michael Moore as well.

...and i'll prolly rent F.9/11, just to say I saw it. blush.gif
 
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QUOTE(i_am_shoe @ Jun 26 2004, 7:44 PM)
Wow. What kind of person makes a movie to diss the president? i think it just makes america look bad.

America doesn't need a movie to make it look bad...

I like Michael Moore's movies. I mean they make you think in a different point of view. Bowling for Coulmbine made me think. That six year old girl that got killed, that was horrible. I don't know. It is just his opinion. I don't see how he makes it seem like his word is golden.
 
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With all the money Michael Moore has, you would think he'd get a personal trainer or a nutrionist...


hey! i like his fat and uglyness. ugly people rock!

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i heard that in the movie -- while the twin tower attack is takin place
bush is playing golf or somn..


i heard he was visiting some kintergarden class, but who knows?
 
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he makes a living and earns money off bashing a president. -clapclapclap.


there are other ways to make your point than by making a movie. i'd hate to be bush right now.
 
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QUOTE(BraveLittleHoser @ Jun 26 2004, 11:02 PM)
America doesn't need a movie to make it look bad...

I like Michael Moore's movies. I mean they make you think in a different point of view. Bowling for Coulmbine made me think. That six year old girl that got killed, that was horrible.  I don't know. It is just his opinion. I don't see how he makes it seem like his word is golden.

have you never seen or heard an interview by the man?? Anytime he gets any type of airtime at all, all he does with it is bash Bush and promote his movies. He's done it on radio, he's done it at award shows...he's just plain tacky.

There's a time and a place to do all that and it doesn't have to be every time his repulsive @ss is on t.v.

People are impressionable, and although I agree the media is filled with untruths...this mans version of what's "really" going on can seriously disillusion those who don't know the difference.

As far as Bush playing golf when the attacks happened, it was announced the morning of the attacks that Bush was indeed at a school getting ready to talk to a class...but even if he were playing golf...WHO THE HECK CARES!! It's not like he knew what had happened until they told him. What was he supposed to do, sit in the White House and wait for something like this to happen?? Before this all happened it was life as usual...even for the President
 
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i'm not a big fan of bush, but i don't consider myself extremely liberal like moore, i have nothing against him and he is a great filmmaker (you have to give him props for making documentaries "a must-see"), i'll listen when he talks, but i really don't agree with some of his actions, such as that oscar speech a couple of years ago, that was a bad move.

if u don't like him, don't watch his movies, it's as simple as that. But don't around telling everyone else not to watch them, i think they can make decisions on their own.
 
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farenhiet 9/11 is a great movie. its shows all the crap that bush keeps from us. it's pathetic how bush ever got elected into office. you people all say you hate micheal moore because he digs up what shouldnt be dug up about bush. you all need to wake up and realize that this is the truth. bush is a terrible president. he's legally murding thousands of soliders by sending them to iraq! by bush deporting all these soliders, hes murdering! put a stop to it all. if you dont like michael moore, keep it to yourself!
 
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QUOTE(Senorita_Babo @ Jun 27 2004, 12:35 PM)
i'm not a big fan of bush, but i don't consider myself extremely liberal like moore, i have nothing against him and he is a great filmmaker (you have to give him props for making documentaries "a must-see"), i'll listen when he talks, but i really don't agree with some of his actions, such as that oscar speech a couple of years ago, that was a bad move.

if u don't like him, don't watch his movies, it's as simple as that. But don't around telling everyone else not to watch them, i think they can make decisions on their own.

you tell them how it is!!! quentin tarantino [director of KILL BILL] was proppin` him! i was like "that`s awesome!!!"

honestly people....look at yourselves. you`re becoming as bad as him. [well not really] i mean....yall are telling the public NOT to see this movie...i mean...if you know it`s bad. just don`t see it. it`s not like it would be a crime to see the movie. you don`t have to tell everyone you know not to see the movie just because you say it`s bad. people have their opinions. while you have yours. but telling people not to see a movie because it`s against your views is not really a good thing, neither positive.

QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 25 2004, 4:18 PM)
yeah. terrible guy. don't see his movie, it'll poison your mind.


QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jun 25 2004, 8:09 PM)
For all of you that don't know him, Michael Moore is the epitome of the anti-Bush movement. He's a super-liberal that's out to get Bush. No one should listen to him. He's stupid.


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QUOTE(Luster Soldier @ Jun 25 2004, 10:31 PM )
I saw him on the daily show with Jon stewart. It seems like he is just using his own opinions in the movie, and I don't think that's right.


^^ see what i mean..? even though it was just kryogenix that said not to see the movie.

Luster Soldier, what do you mean by "using his opinions in the movie, and i don`t think that`s right"? i honestly feel that what exactly is wrong by using your opinions in a movie? it`s his movie. he could do whatever he wants as long as he doesn`t physically hurt someone. isn`t that true?




i really don`t want to get on anyone`s nerves. michael moore is like any person who hates bush. and if you hate michael moore...then you`ll have to hate the people who also hate bush.


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QUOTE(SLaShLoVEr @ Jun 27 2004, 3:15 PM)
farenhiet 9/11 is a great movie. its shows all the crap that bush keeps from us. it's pathetic how bush ever got elected into office. you people all say you hate micheal moore because he digs up what shouldnt be dug up about bush. you all need to wake up and realize that this is the truth. bush is a terrible president. he's legally murding thousands of soliders by sending them to iraq! by bush deporting all these soliders, hes murdering! put a stop to it all. if you dont like michael moore, keep it to yourself!


yeah. that`s how i honestly feel, too. people shouldn`t really say that hate/dislike anyone. that`s negative and not really a good thing to hear. you don`t wanna hear someone go around saying "oh i hate her.....oh i hate him, he`s stupid". you want to hear good things, right?

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As far as Bush playing golf when the attacks happened, it was announced the morning of the attacks that Bush was indeed at a school getting ready to talk to a class...but even if he were playing golf...WHO THE HECK CARES!! It's not like he knew what had happened until they told him. What was he supposed to do, sit in the White House and wait for something like this to happen?? Before this all happened it was life as usual...even for the President

Exactly! Thank you!

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farenhiet 9/11 is a great movie. its shows all the crap that bush keeps from us. it's pathetic how bush ever got elected into office. you people all say you hate micheal moore because he digs up what shouldnt be dug up about bush. you all need to wake up and realize that this is the truth. bush is a terrible president. he's legally murding thousands of soliders by sending them to iraq! by bush deporting all these soliders, hes murdering! put a stop to it all. if you dont like michael moore, keep it to yourself!

See, this is what I mean. He puts so much of his opinions into this thing that he completely brainwashes you into thinking what he believes in. Do you do research? Read the paper? Watch the news? I personally don't want to be a Michael Moore clone and listen to every word that comes out of his mouth. *Sigh* And I love Slash and Velvet Revolver as well...

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Hehe thanks. _smile.gif Likewise.

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i really don`t want to get on anyone`s nerves. michael moore is like any person who hates bush. and if you hate michael moore...then you`ll have to hate the people who also hate bush.

This is how I feel, but I form my own opinions. I don't love every single ounce of Bush, trust me. I don't worship some guy that bends the truth. That's all I'm saying.
 
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jun 27 2004, 9:53 PM)
Hehe thanks. _smile.gif Likewise.


This is how I feel, but I form my own opinions. I don't love every single ounce of Bush, trust me. I don't worship some guy that bends the truth. That's all I'm saying.

haha....i understand kathleen. you`re cool. wink.gif
 
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i don't get why we have to judge bush by this movie, the way some ppl are. I mean what other president had a movie made about them in such a light as this. I'm sure every president has something to hide and unfortunately for Bush he was the target of this movie. I think that there might have been some points that opened out eyes a little but other than that everything in this movie is an opinion and you can't state the truth with an opinion.
 
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We had some protesters right outside my work... they protested his movie... saying he should be arrested for treason, and that it was communist propaganda
 
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I should check that movie out, just to see what the rave is all about. But when I saw it it looked kinda bias... but very interesting. So basically he's an anti-Bush, and is showing why Bush is bad? *sigh*
 
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We had some protesters right outside my work... they protested his movie... saying he should be arrested for treason, and that it was communist propaganda

wtf? communist propaganda??? huh.gif
 
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Eh, welcome to my world. I have always hated Michael Moore.
 
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if u don't like him, don't watch his movies, it's as simple as that. But don't around telling everyone else not to watch them, i think they can make decisions on their own.

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you tell them how it is!!! quentin tarantino [director of KILL BILL] was proppin` him! i was like "that`s awesome!!!"

honestly people....look at yourselves. you`re becoming as bad as him. [well not really] i mean....yall are telling the public NOT to see this movie...i mean...if you know it`s bad. just don`t see it. it`s not like it would be a crime to see the movie. you don`t have to tell everyone you know not to see the movie just because you say it`s bad. people have their opinions. while you have yours. but telling people not to see a movie because it`s against your views is not really a good thing, neither positive.


hmm, so are you saying Martin Luther King suggesting a boycott of the bus system was wrong because he told others not to ride the bus? there's a difference between not liking the movie because you don't like the story and not liking the movie because it contorts the truth.

pretty much you guys are being hypocrites. you're telling us that we can't tell people that we don't like michael moore. but michael moore can potentially tell millions of people that Bush is bad. not very fair is it?
 
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They're not telling you to not like Michael Moore, they're telling you to not tell others to not watch his movie. I dunno if you understood that, but yeah. Anyway, Michael Moore puts some really valid points out there. Why did Bush have to send the troops out there? There were no weapons of mass destruction AND Saddam Hussein was not involved in the the 9/11 attacks. The reason Bush is doing this is for his own benefit. Our family, friends, etc, are getting killed out there for Bush. Also, when the the attacks happened, Bush was at an elementary school, but he did nothing to take action. He sat there for 7 mins. He could have said a quick "Thank You" to the kids and left. Oh and about the golf thing, he went on this vacation while this "attack" thing was going on. He just looked like he was having a grand old time, while this crisis was happening. I for one, am not happy about how he decided to handle this dilemma, and Michael Moore is just expressing his opinion, as is everyone here.
 
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Bowling for COlumbien was a horrible waste of 10 bucks and 2 hours. it was not a documentary. documentaries are factual informative un-biased... michael moore took bits of media and interviews and threw that in amongst all his "bush is the devil" speeches. and some of his arguments arent even really against bush.. just against america.. makes u wonder why the hell he doesnt just leave?
 
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QUOTE(LaRevolucion @ Jun 28 2004, 5:25 PM)
They're not telling you to not like Michael Moore, they're telling you to not tell others to not watch his movie. I dunno if you understood that, but yeah. Anyway, Michael Moore puts some really valid points out there. Why did Bush have to send the troops out there? There were no weapons of mass destruction AND Saddam Hussein was not involved in the the 9/11 attacks. The reason Bush is doing this is for his own benefit. Our family, friends, etc, are getting killed out there for Bush. Also, when the the attacks happened, Bush was at an elementary school, but he did nothing to take action. He sat there for 7 mins. He could have said a quick "Thank You" to the kids and left. Oh and about the golf thing, he went on this vacation while this "attack" thing was going on. He just looked like he was having a grand old time, while this crisis was happening. I for one, am not happy about how he decided to handle this dilemma, and Michael Moore is just expressing his opinion, as is everyone here.

There's a topic on this (Iraq War) in the debate forum if you're interested in arguing this out.

Anyway, people are not getting killed for Bush, please do not narrow things down and put the blame on one single person.

What do you think he should have done after hearing about the attack??? Do you have a better idea? When I first heard about it I was too pissed/scared/frustrated/worried to have any kind of reaction. The dude's a President, NOT A SUPER HERO. Get that straight.

Micheal Moore can express anything he wants and so can the public. He's not the only mofo with rights in the USA. If I want to spit on his movie, I'll do just that.

Anyway, in a time like this, there shouldn't be anything to encourage anymore political seperation in this country. Even though people have different views on things, we should at least try to ban together, if not for politics then for our own security. I haven't seen the movie and don't want to, but if I do, I'll most likely pirate it off of the internet instead of giving the movie a cent of my money.
 
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QUOTE(LaRevolucion @ Jun 28 2004, 5:25 PM)
They're not telling you to not like Michael Moore, they're telling you to not tell others to not watch his movie. I dunno if you understood that, but yeah. Anyway, Michael Moore puts some really valid points out there. Why did Bush have to send the troops out there? There were no weapons of mass destruction AND Saddam Hussein was not involved in the the 9/11 attacks. The reason Bush is doing this is for his own benefit. Our family, friends, etc, are getting killed out there for Bush. Also, when the the attacks happened, Bush was at an elementary school, but he did nothing to take action. He sat there for 7 mins. He could have said a quick "Thank You" to the kids and left. Oh and about the golf thing, he went on this vacation while this "attack" thing was going on. He just looked like he was having a grand old time, while this crisis was happening. I for one, am not happy about how he decided to handle this dilemma, and Michael Moore is just expressing his opinion, as is everyone here.

True they have not found one WMD, but to say Suddam didn't have anything to do with 9/11...can you prove he didn't?? Did you know that under Clinton's administration he and his advisors said that Iraq and Al queida were directly linked?? Therefore Iraq=Suddam=Al Queida. the thing is noone did a damn thing about it because Monica Lewinsky's stained blue dress was more important
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 28 2004, 2:55 PM)
hmm, so are you saying Martin Luther King suggesting a boycott of the bus system was wrong because he told others not to ride the bus? there's a difference between not liking the movie because you don't like the story and not liking the movie because it contorts the truth.

pretty much you guys are being hypocrites. you're telling us that we can't tell people that we don't like michael moore. but michael moore can potentially tell millions of people that Bush is bad. not very fair is it?

okay. i`m a hypocrite. wink.gif

well this is america. what did you expect? the best of the best?

martin luther king suggested boycotting because of the discrimination of the buses. not because he didn`t like the buses. he didn`t like the people of the bus companies.

tell me. what is the truth? if michael moore was so wrong, what is the truth?

i`d like to be convinced somehow that michael moore is completely wrong. or are you saying otherwise?
 
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QUOTE(ThePrincessofTKD @ Jun 28 2004, 7:49 PM)
okay. i`m a hypocrite. wink.gif

well this is america. what did you expect? the best of the best?

martin luther king suggested boycotting because of the discrimination of the buses. not because he didn`t like the buses. he didn`t like the people of the bus companies.

tell me. what is the truth? if michael moore was so wrong, what is the truth?

i`d like to be convinced somehow that michael moore is completely wrong. or are you saying otherwise?

Hm, I'm pretty sure he meant boycotting in general and took MLK as an example. Look back in history and you'll see that people boycott things that they don't agree with/like.

And it wasn't that MLK disliked the "people" of the bus company, he disliked their discriminating views. In comparision, it's not that we want Michael Moore to die (though I'm sure others will disagree), most of us only dislike the movie itself.

Who said that Mr. Moore is wrong? An opinion can hardly be proved false but it can be proved to be stupid, and I think that the movie is just that, opinions, stupid opinions.

I'd like to be convinced of how Mr. Moore is right.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 28 2004, 7:57 PM)
Hm, I'm pretty sure he meant boycotting in general and took MLK as an example. Look back in history and you'll see that people boycott things that they don't agree with/like.

And it wasn't that MLK disliked the "people" of the bus company, he disliked their discriminating views. In comparision, it's not that we want Michael Moore to die (though I'm sure others will disagree), most of us only dislike the movie itself.

Who said that Mr. Moore is wrong? An opinion can hardly be proved false but it can be proved to be stupid, and I think that the movie is just that, opinions, stupid opinions.

I'd like to be convinced of how Mr. Moore is right.

sorry, but that really wasn`t my question.

what is the truth? << my question. i did not ask if he was wrong or right.

the truth should be more important than what michael moore thinks, right? since so many people say not to listen to him.
 
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QUOTE(ThePrincessofTKD @ Jun 28 2004, 8:01 PM)
sorry, but that really wasn`t my question.

what is the truth? << my question. i did not ask if he was wrong or right.

the truth should be more important than what michael moore thinks, right? since so many people say not to listen to him.

Here's why your question wasn't answered the way you want:

Your question of "what is the truth" is IRRELEVANT because everything in the movie is based on BIASED "truths", and most intelligent people consider biased truths to be anything BUT truthful.

In politics, there is hardly any truths.
 
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i dpnt like him hes a hypocrite. he has no real basis behind his actions and words. hes just a waste of space
 
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Well, I don't really know. I don't think I would pay to see the movie because bull sh*t like that would just bore me. I'll just download it =\
It would be interesting to watch. I mean, it's not going to manipulate me in any way. I mean I don't hate him because I don't have hate for anybody, I guess he's just liberal and has a strong fight for his opinions.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 28 2004, 5:48 PM)
There's a topic on this (Iraq War) in the debate forum if you're interested in arguing this out.

Anyway, people are not getting killed for Bush, please do not narrow things down and put the blame on one single person.

What do you think he should have done after hearing about the attack??? Do you have a better idea? When I first heard about it I was too pissed/scared/frustrated/worried to have any kind of reaction. The dude's a President, NOT A SUPER HERO. Get that straight.

Micheal Moore can express anything he wants and so can the public. He's not the only mofo with rights in the USA. If I want to spit on his movie, I'll do just that.

Anyway, in a time like this, there shouldn't be anything to encourage anymore political seperation in this country. Even though people have different views on things, we should at least try to ban together, if not for politics then for our own security. I haven't seen the movie and don't want to, but if I do, I'll most likely pirate it off of the internet instead of giving the movie a cent of my money.

Fine I won't put the blame on just Bush. I'll put on the whole Bush Admin. I'm not saying he's a superhero and nowhere near that, I assure you. He could have just talked it out with someone and not just stay sitting on his fanny for almost 10 mins.

I'm also not saying that nobody should express their opinions, I was just trying to explain what the other guy was trying to say. If you wanna spit on his movie, then more power to you. You can do whatever you want, their your actions.

I actually saw the movie and was utterly amazed! I loved it! All the truths come out and it really does clear some stuff up. Bush comes up with the funniest things to say...."I like to come dig in the dirt and feel the bugs...." LOL! Something of that sort....extremely funny, but at the same time, tragic because of all the INNOCENT people OUR army killed. Oh by the way, while Bush was on vacation, there were documents stating that Al Queda was to attack the U.S., but Bush was too busy with his oh so important golf game. So in other words, they had a two month headstart on the attack.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 28 2004, 8:05 PM)
Here's why your question wasn't answered the way you want:

Your question of "what is the truth" is IRRELEVANT because everything in the movie is based on BIASED "truths", and most intelligent people consider biased truths to be anything BUT truthful.

In politics, there is hardly any truths.

I WANT THE FREAKIN` TRUTH!

that`s why i haven`t seen his movie yet dammit. IF SO MANY PEOPLE SAY IT`S FALSE AND THAT WE SHOULDN`T BELIEVE HIM....then what could be the truth??

what would be there to believe? are you saying i should believe what the president says?

WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? I WANT NAMES!! since michael moore is such a freakin` liar, and that`s what I HEARD.
 
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QUOTE(ThePrincessofTKD @ Jul 4 2004, 7:00 PM)
I WANT THE FREAKIN` TRUTH!

that`s why i haven`t seen his movie yet dammit. IF SO MANY PEOPLE SAY IT`S FALSE AND THAT WE SHOULDN`T BELIEVE HIM....then what could be the truth??

I know you do, and I'm sure many others share the same sentiments.

However, like I said, there is hardly any truths in politics. Unless you have facts, all you would get are biased opinions because everyone wants everyone else to agree with them.

You can watch his movie, but just make sure that you understand that there are many sides to the story when politics is concerned. You choose whether or not he's telling the truth, but you have to be brushed up on your political science knowledge a bit, or else you'd be pulled into a web of confusion.

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what would be there to believe? are you saying i should believe what the president says?

Did I say that? No.

I want you to be able to find out your own truth by researching and understanding all points of view when you deal with politics.

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WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? I WANT NAMES!! since michael moore is such a freakin` liar, and that`s what I HEARD.

Whether or not he's a liar is based on opinionated truths. You should not always listen to what you hear and form your opinions only to base them on someone else's opinions. Hearsay isn't a good way to learn.
 
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people hating on him just because he "reveals the truth about bush"

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and keep in mind it was a very biased movie. mr moore said that himself. the movie keeps you thinking but dont consider it as being "100% true" even though i loathe bush
 
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I like Michael Moore and in fact if most of you knew anything about politics and how our nation is in a "hell-hole" thanks to Bush you too would think like Moore. So if you don't want blinders covering up your eyes see Fahrenheit 9/11. And BTW: Moore never said that he didn't blame Bin Laden, he said that Bush wasn't doing the right thing in not following/sending war on him. The war that was being fought was a pointless one. We should've gone right after Bin Laden at first instead of blaming it on Saddam, who really had nothing to do with it.
Now why are all of you bashing Moore when the real enemy is the guy you're supporting . . . VOTE NADER THIS ELECTION!
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Jul 4 2004, 8:36 PM)
Now why are all of you bashing Moore when the real enemy is the guy you're supporting . . . VOTE NADER THIS ELECTION!

That's only a biased opinion.

But I guess I agree that people should vote Nader, though, I will vote for Bush myself.

The movie will only make you more biased.
 
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How am I biased? I'm just giving my view point. I don't hate Bush like personally. I hate what he has done. tongue.gif
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Jul 4 2004, 9:15 PM)
How am I biased? I'm just giving my view point. I don't hate Bush like personally. I hate what he has done. tongue.gif

Oh, what I meant is that any view points and/or opinions that concerns politics are biased, mine are no different.

I don't hate him, I don't have a problem with what he has done, but I do have disagreements with his kind of politics.

I don't like the movie because I feel like this isn't the time for more discord in the nation.
 
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michael moore is my hero.
and i am the only one allowed to have an opinion so everyone who is against me must suffer!! muhuhahaha!

but in all honesty all i have to say is this: don't base your views on what someone else says. go see the movie, it couldn't be worse than gigli or crossroads. maybe you will even get a cheap laugh or two. the worse thing you can do is form an opinion on something you don't know about.
 
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QUOTE(xxcrazyjewxx @ Jul 5 2004, 12:03 AM)
im guessing most of you are republicans?

ha. not me.
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 28 2004, 2:55 PM)
hmm, so are you saying Martin Luther King suggesting a boycott of the bus system was wrong because he told others not to ride the bus? there's a difference between not liking the movie because you don't like the story and not liking the movie because it contorts the truth.

pretty much you guys are being hypocrites. you're telling us that we can't tell people that we don't like michael moore. but michael moore can potentially tell millions of people that Bush is bad. not very fair is it?

get over yourself, how can you be so sure of what you know as "the truth." You are clearly a conservative, so you are more likely to believe whaever bush tells you, there's nothing wrong with that, if i wanna hate michael moore, hate him. But y are u attacking the people that actually want to hear what he has to say? Just because some people don't agree with u, doesn't mean you have to come up with some "smart-ass' comment." If you really hate him as much u say u do, y don't u make a film that's pro-bush.

And i'm not telling you anything. You can take wha i say or u can just leave it. u are takin' everything way to personal here.
 
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QUOTE(xxcrazyjewxx @ Jul 5 2004, 12:03 AM)
im guessing most of you are republicans?

hell no!

Fahrenheit 9/11. I thought it was good…very biased, but everyone has a political agenda, even or especially Michael Moore...but i pretty much had my mind made up before seeing the movie...so it didn't change much for me...i still don't like bush...not any more or any less and i still want him out of office now...not any more or any less. but i think for some people though...this movie either fuels their fire for not liking bush or for those who do like bush...find more reason to stick to with him because they don't appreciate this antibush banter..but like i said...i already had my mind made up...
 
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i dont hate moore but i think that i GUESS he has the freedom of speech deal over him so yea he'll take it to make a bias movie. im a repub and am KINDA KINDA KINDA interested in seeing F911 just to see his viewpoint on bush (though i know what the outscome would be). im curious to see the unknown clips of bush and whatnot. dont hate moore but i think he sux on bashing bush.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 4 2004, 8:08 PM)
I know you do, and I'm sure many others share the same sentiments.

However, like I said, there is hardly any truths in politics. Unless you have facts, all you would get are biased opinions because everyone wants everyone else to agree with them.

You can watch his movie, but just make sure that you understand that there are many sides to the story when politics is concerned. You choose whether or not he's telling the truth, but you have to be brushed up on your political science knowledge a bit, or else you'd be pulled into a web of confusion.


Did I say that? No.

I want you to be able to find out your own truth by researching and understanding all points of view when you deal with politics.


Whether or not he's a liar is based on opinionated truths. You should not always listen to what you hear and form your opinions only to base them on someone else's opinions. Hearsay isn't a good way to learn.

thanks for helping me understand. thumbsup.gif

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get over yourself, how can you be so sure of what you know as "the truth." You are clearly a conservative, so you are more likely to believe whaever bush tells you, there's nothing wrong with that, if i wanna hate michael moore, hate him. But y are u attacking the people that actually want to hear what he has to say? Just because some people don't agree with u, doesn't mean you have to come up with some "smart-ass' comment." If you really hate him as much u say u do, y don't u make a film that's pro-bush.

And i'm not telling you anything. You can take wha i say or u can just leave it. u are takin' everything way to personal here.


damn.....i`d like to see kryogenix`s response to that. PROPS TO YOU GIRL! happy.gif
 
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Wow. What kind of person makes a movie to diss the president? i think it just makes america look bad.


i don't think it makes america look bad, it looks bad when you follow along blindly with everything the president says, and never voice your opinions and in this case, opposition, thats what america was founded on....anyway...just found this while reading my Entertainment weekly mag

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MOORE I understand what you're saying. He is the President of the United States. Look, here's a good example of how I feel about this. A couple of weeks ago, out here on Broadway, a guy comes up to me and says, ''I'm a Navy surgeon. And I was on a ship off Iraq the night you made your speech at the Oscars and I was very angry at you. I remember yelling with the others at the screen. Now I just want to apologize. You were right. You were telling the truth.'' And I said, Listen, you don't owe me any apology. Apologize for what? That you believed your Commander-in-Chief? That you believed the President of the United States? Why should you feel bad? You should believe the President, because if we can't believe our President we're in deep trouble. You don't have to apologize for anything. In fact, I want to thank you for offering to risk your life to defend us. I think it would make the founding fathers proud to see the country still survives in their first belief, that's why it's their First Amendment, that somebody has the ability to express themselves and criticize the top guy. That's the country they created. That's the country that gave us Mark Twain, Will Rogers, and Groucho Marx. And that can't be anything but a good thing for America.
 
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I'm a hardcore moderate and I don't follow blindly along with everything the President says. However, I don't follow blindly after someone else's biased opinions either, especially if they're going to whine about how this country's politics and/ or President is bad and whatnot.

I suppose he's trying to make changes by letting people know the "inside scoop" of politics. But in reality, people who are knowledgeable about politics are already quite aware of these things and they have already formed their opinions on them.

What I worry about is people who are not so savvy on politics (which I'm sure is the majority of our youths and quite a few number of adults) watching the movie, then forming their opinions based on the one-sidedness of the movie.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 6 2004, 10:52 AM)
I'm a hardcore moderate and I don't follow blindly along with everything the President says. However, I don't follow blindly after someone else's biased opinions either, especially if they're going to whine about how this country's politics and/ or President is bad and whatnot.

I suppose he's trying to make changes by letting people know the "inside scoop" of politics. But in reality, people who are knowledgeable about politics are already quite aware of these things and they have already formed their opinions on them.

What I worry about is people who are not so savvy on politics (which I'm sure is the majority of our youths and quite a few number of adults) watching the movie, then forming their opinions based on the one-sidedness of the movie.

I couldn't have said it better myself _smile.gif
 
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im guessing most of you are republicans?

Hahahaha!! Now that's funny.....I'm a Democrat, a hardcore liberal.....yes, that I am. tongue.gif
 
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really? I do too. lol jk but i wouldn't wanna waste my money on f 9/11.
 
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i'd never see that movie.. and i dont think its right it came out right before the election.. but i dont know anything about politics anyway..hehe tongue.gif
 
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go HERE

i hate him!! it's such a waste to go and watch his movies _dry.gif
 
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isnt he the dude that made that farenheit 911 movie?i havent watched the movie so yeah
 
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yeah he made that movie fahrenheit 9/11...it's supposed to be a bunch a crap on bush.

i hate michael moore and john kerry
 
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okay hold on. i'm surprised at all the anti-moore sentiments here. sure his movies are biased and are based on his extreme anti-bush standings, but fahrenheit 911, although biased, highlights alot of facts about the war on iraq and the bush administration.

i read that he had a whole team of professional individuals (i forget who they were) to go through the movie with a fine comb to ensure that every single piece of information was accurate.

so sure u may not agree with his opinions in the movie, but there are some things in there (like the video footage of US soldiers abusing prisoners) that just cant be denied. regardless of what he says in the movie (or what he chooses not to show - a topic for much debate), some of the **** that he does show really happened. and its mind blowing. read the reviews:

bbc review

international herald tribune review
 
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post Jun 22 2005, 06:37 PM
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What a hypocrite.
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Ch-yeah. Him and his movies make me really mad.
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post Jun 22 2005, 06:39 PM
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highfive.
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Oh, that guy?
He's a loser. hammer.gif
 
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post Jun 22 2005, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 6 2004, 11:52 AM)
I'm a hardcore moderate and I don't follow blindly along with everything the President says. However, I don't follow blindly after someone else's biased opinions either, especially if they're going to whine about how this country's politics and/ or President is bad and whatnot.

I suppose he's trying to make changes by letting people know the "inside scoop" of politics. But in reality, people who are knowledgeable about politics are already quite aware of these things and they have already formed their opinions on them.

What I worry about is people who are not so savvy on politics (which I'm sure is the majority of our youths and quite a few number of adults) watching the movie, then forming their opinions based on the one-sidedness of the movie.
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I have to agree with the last paragraph you typed. I know plenty of kids that [are democratic in their own opinionated views] went out and saw it and gained even more steam for their beliefs.

Oh, and I guess I shouldn' t break the line of people making 1 statement comments about how horrible he is in general. mellow.gif
 
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post Jun 22 2005, 06:43 PM
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he's great.

love his movies.

i want to make some like them.
 
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post Jun 22 2005, 09:49 PM
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I actually saw F9/11 for no reason. It was rather boring and they have no objectives.
But you gotta respect him for standing up tp Bush like that
 
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post Jun 22 2005, 09:53 PM
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whoaa..who brought this back?
well, I liked farenheit 9/11. a lot. then again, I am Bush's #1 hate fan, so there you go.
 

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