Eating Welfare Options

[Tung]

After watching a documentation on welfare and the on going problems all over the U.S, I think it's debatable if having welfare a good thing or a bad thing. The general assumption towards people with welfare are that they are lazy, and just stay at home and "eat" the welfare money given to them.

That's not entirely true, and that most of these people who live on welfare, works other low-paying wage jobs just to have enough to eat. They work long hours, just to support their family. Most people on welfare don't speak english at all, and it's very hard for them to find a good paying job. Also, most of this people, are immigrants who have no skill whatsoever.

The question I raise is, should welfare be something giving this people for a long term, or should there be some kind of maybe 5 year deal, so that they get the five years to finally get a good paying job, so they won't need welfare anymore. I'm against having a X-amount of years where you should only get welfare.

You have to look at where these people are coming from. I mean, there's people who've been on welfare for 20 years now, and we complain about that. Such as "it's been 20 years!, how can you not have a job that pays decent, without having welfare, while I'm working my butt off here, and I get my paycheck cut off from the Welfare Department just to support lazy people like you" What is your stance on this? Should welfare be something that have an x-amount of years given to someone, or should there be no limit as to how long you get welfare?

[illriginal]

It's our system. The government and federal government are setup in such a way that it only benefits the rich and rich only. I believe IRS/Federal government should be abolished as it's un-American to have that system in the first place. Best way to do this, is implement socialism (economically at least) and abolish IRS with the Fair Tax system which by the way is also a socialist system... it's just not called "fair tax" in socialism.

[marielamuneka]

Tung you are right yeah it should be like a limited time on it but it should be monitored i mean if they still need welfare okay then let them have it longer but if they are well off to be on there own then no.. not anymore.. I know mad people(black and puerto rican) who are on welfare and working on the side.. and they are well off to work on there own but they are just lazy)Some people go on welfare because they have so many kids and cant afford to support them all.I think welfare is a good idea but so many people misuse it its f**ked up theres more people who need it and lazy people just using it like its nothing


^ ooh hii Danny

[S-Majere]

I'm from the UK and as far as welfare goes, being on the dole in many ways pays better than what holding down a job actually would.

I'm certainly not against helping people out when they struggle - and people really do struggle; but when you can sit quite comfortably on the dole for years and years, popping out kids for extra grants and tax returns it's then that I question the entire system.

There's a LOT of abuse that goes on regarding it. Personally, I feel the UK is far too soft - I can't say for the US, however, but is there not a limit as to how long one can be on benefits?

[illriginal]

^ ooh hii Danny

hi bella

And I agree with Tung as well, but I much rather abolish welfare, I'm sick of stupid smelly people complaining about how we should feed them and give them hand outs just because they exist. And what pisses me off even more is that they purposely have multiple children just so they can get more money out of the government.

[marielamuneka]

they purposely have multiple children just so they can get more money out of the government.

yup. i agree.

[jesusisthebestth...]

hi bella

And I agree with Tung as well, but I much rather abolish welfare, I'm sick of stupid smelly people complaining about how we should feed them and give them hand outs just because they exist. And what pisses me off even more is that they purposely have multiple children just so they can get more money out of the government.

Wtf?! Not everyone on welfare is stupid or smelly. What kind of foolish assumption is that to make?

I would like to say that welfare should have a set time period or be done with altogether, but I know that that is unlikely. My problem with the welfare system is that it doesn't encourage people to get jobs or get off welfare...for many people it is easier to live on welfare than it is to get a job because things are more affordable, such as rent, as soon as you get a job you're forced to move out of Section 8 housing and pay your own way though you might not be able to pay that much for rent and basic living expenses.

The whole thing is screwed up is you ask me, though.

[karmakiller]

I know I'm going to sound like a bitch when I say this, but if you cannot afford children, do not have them. If you can barely pay your rent and feed yourself how are you going to buy a child diapers and clothing? And when you do work how are you going to pay for someone to babysit them? There are other options.

With that being said, I can understand why someone would not want to give their child up... because a lot of times, things happen. Having a limit on how long you can get support from the government would be a start. Child care IS expensive, and you can't just leave a baby home while you go work (although I'm sure some have tried, lol). And having their support limited to 5 years would give the parent enough time to find someone to care for the child while the work and what not.

I think the whole system is messed up. Just because it's messed up doesn't mean it should be done away with, it just needs to be refined. There are people milking the system and that needs to stop. They're the ones who give it such a bad name. The same thing with disability. We need to keep a closer eye on people who are getting government aid.

[marielamuneka]

I know I'm going to sound like a bitch when I say this, but if you cannot afford children, do not have them. If you can barely pay your rent and feed yourself how are you going to buy a child diapers and clothing? And when you do work how are you going to pay for someone to babysit them? There are other options.

With that being said, I can understand why someone would not want to give their child up... because a lot of times, things happen. Having a limit on how long you can get support from the government would be a start. Child care IS expensive, and you can't just leave a baby home while you go work (although I'm sure some have tried, lol). And having their support limited to 5 years would give the parent enough time to find someone to care for the child while the work and what not.

I think the whole system is messed up. Just because it's messed up doesn't mean it should be done away with, it just needs to be refined. There are people milking the system and that needs to stop. They're the ones who give it such a bad name. The same thing with disability. We need to keep a closer eye on people who are getting government aid.

I agree. Some People just go in there for money those greedy assholes. But they dont appreciate how the government helps people
like that sort of.. like giving disability and welfare. I know we would of got kicked out or something if my dad didnt go on disability when he had a major heart attack we wouldnt have been able to fully pay the rent to our house if it wasnt for disability..
but so many people need money selfish people are taking it away from them.. like people who CAN work/support themselves who are in welfare just being lazy. . i wish we could help the needy

[demolished]

What are "good-paying" jobs for people supported by the welfare program designed for low-income families? They are normally low-income families because they don't have a good job or none due to their lack of certain education unless they are disable.

That's not entirely true, and that most of these people who live on welfare, works other low-paying wage jobs just to have enough to eat. They work long hours, just to support their family. Most people on welfare don't speak english at all, and it's very hard for them to find a good paying job. Also, most of this people, are immigrants who have no skill whatsoever.

What are your sources for that? You just answered your own problem? The real problem is the lack of education prevents them from rising themselves to a higher social class. How do you expect them to get a great job like that? America is narrowed-mind. We're not all that great or ... that diverse. However, we're starting to be more tolerance since we're seeing more Asians presenting in the entertainment industry. Okay.

The question I raise is, should welfare be something giving this people for a long term, or should there be some kind of maybe 5 year deal, so that they get the five years to finally get a good paying job, so they won't need welfare anymore. I'm against having a X-amount of years where you should only get welfare. .

Within five years, are the minority able to get a decent paying job? If you're from Middle East, you're being stereotyped as "terrorist" in America. What are the success rates to reach their goal of becoming an effective financial independent? Not much.

Again, how do you expect normal people to get a high paying jobs when they don't meet the criteria like ... college, proper English, certain programs, values, experiences, and etc?

Does it really takes 5 years to get obtain a good-paying jobs? Other than that, the world of business wants the best of the best people. What are the perspectives coming from Americans when they look at foreigner's resume when recruiting newly employment in their industry? It's not great, actually.

Ever watched, "The Pursuit of Happiness" by Will Smith? Look at his condition without any government care. Great life, eh?

You have to look at where these people are coming from. I mean, there's people who've been on welfare for 20 years now, and we complain about that. Such as "it's been 20 years!, how can you not have a job that pays decent, without having welfare, while I'm working my butt off here, and I get my paycheck cut off from the Welfare Department just to support lazy people like you" What is your stance on this? Should welfare be something that have an x-amount of years given to someone, or should there be no limit as to how long you get welfare?

x amount of years does not mean the chances of getting better paid jobs, it is qualifications. In order to appeals others. It's usually important to have the right education to get into certain job industry. BUT, what if THEY DONT HAVE THE MONEY to get an education, then it's the real problem. That's why they are in the wellfare program

[demolished]

hi bella

And I agree with Tung as well, but I much rather abolish welfare, I'm sick of stupid smelly people complaining about how we should feed them and give them hand outs just because they exist. And what pisses me off even more is that they purposely have multiple children just so they can get more money out of the government.

You should watch closely to what you said. There are people who are receiving government aids. Your arguments purely base on fallacies. Just a side note, be careful when you mention personal issues that are not relevant.Chances are you will get bitched and defeated by someone under the government program. thus-it makes you looks stupid.


not trying to provoke you at all ! ... but i know you can do so much better than that. c'mon now.

[superstitious]

I know I'm going to sound like a bitch when I say this, but if you cannot afford children, do not have them. If you can barely pay your rent and feed yourself how are you going to buy a child diapers and clothing? And when you do work how are you going to pay for someone to babysit them? There are other options.

Just to add a perspective here, at one point I had considered welfare. When my son was first diagnosed with autism, I wasn't sure if he'd be fit enough to be in a school or social environment. I'm a single mom and I do not get child support. So, someone like me, who has an impressive resume and strong work ethic had to consider it. Now, I was fortunate enough that he is a high functioning autistic individual and he was able to attend school (in special ed programs specifically for autism) and was able to continue working. However, I know from personal experience that sometimes it seems like there isn't much of a choice.

I do believe that there are individuals that abuse the system, but there are individuals out there that don't have a lot of options.

Also, as far as the idea behind not having kids if you can't afford them. What about those who do not believe in birth control? I couldn't disagree more with that stance, but in respect for others' cultures, how is it their fault if they are doing what they believe in? It's a shallow argument, but I wanted to put it out there.

[illriginal]

You should watch closely to what you said. There are people who are receiving government aids. Your arguments purely base on fallacies. Just a side note, be careful when you mention personal issues that are not relevant.Chances are you will get bitched and defeated by someone under the government program. thus-it makes you looks stupid.
not trying to provoke you at all ! ... but i know you can do so much better than that. c'mon now.

Welfare should be abolished. People work to make money, we don't ask for hand outs. Now of course if people are incapable of working then sure, may the Government help them. But from what I've seen... I find it highly unfair that people out there abuse the Welfare system when they're fully capable to work.

Stop poppin babies and start working.

[*paperplane*]

I don't understand how you say you support socialism and then make completely pro-capitalist statements like that.

[illriginal]

I don't understand how you say you support socialism and then make completely pro-capitalist statements like that.

The abolishment of welfare has nothin to do with capitalism nor any political view or party for that matter. What are you talkin about?