f**k No Sex Before Marriage Options

[Tung]

Honestly, the people who believe in not having sex before marriage is setting themselves for a huge risk. Why you ask? You're about to marry someone you've never had sex with, and after you're married, they are going to be your sex partner for the rest of your life.

People who say sex isn't a big deal and that important in a healthy relationship are kidding themselves. There are those who have sexual chemistry, and some who just have general personality chemistry. Also, of course you can have both. What I'm saying is that, why set yourself up for a risk and marry someone you haven't sexually experienced yet? You two could be have the best relationship and get married. However, what happens after you guys get married, and your partner totally sucks at sex? You're screwed, and stuck with that person for the rest of your life, until maybe you want a divorce. But why go through all that, and deal with the financial burden of one?

Also, it's also a good thing, to live with someone you're about to marry. Again, you're going to be with your spouse for quite some time under the same roof after you're married. I've seen too many times couples who never lived with one another, get married, and move in together for the first time. They have so much problems with living with one another.

So I say, f**k the no sex before marriage rule. Have all the sex you can get in the relationship before getting married, and know what you are getting yourself into.


edit: oops posted in wrong forums. mod move to relationship plox.

[Sumiaki]

I think of it like buying a car. Must test drive.

[EddieV]

Honestly, the people who believe in not having sex before marriage is setting themselves for a huge risk. Why you ask? You're about to marry someone you've never had sex with, and after you're married, they are going to be your sex partner for the rest of your life.

People who say sex isn't a big deal and that important in a healthy relationship are kidding themselves. There are those who have sexual chemistry, and some who just have general personality chemistry. Also, of course you can have both. What I'm saying is that, why set yourself up for a risk and marry someone you haven't sexually experienced yet? You two could be have the best relationship and get married. However, what happens after you guys get married, and your partner totally sucks at sex? You're screwed, and stuck with that person for the rest of your life, until maybe you want a divorce. But why go through all that, and deal with the financial burden of one?

Also, it's also a good thing, to live with someone you're about to marry. Again, you're going to be with your spouse for quite some time under the same roof after you're married. I've seen too many times couples who never lived with one another, get married, and move in together for the first time. They have so much problems with living with one another.

So I say, f**k the no sex before marriage rule. Have all the sex you can get in the relationship before getting married, and know what you are getting yourself into.
edit: oops posted in wrong forums. mod move to relationship plox.

I'm for sex before marriage.

However just to add, when you've only had one partner, you'd think he/she is great, because that's all you have.

[S-Majere]

I was, and still am to some extent, quite taken with the idea of saving myself for marriage.

Yes, there's always the test-driving analogy, but there's a lot more to be said for choosing to show a little self-restraint.

(I'm not religious in the slightest, the idea just appeals to me)

[absinthe]

I think you'd know if you were sexually attracted to your significant other regardless of whether or not you decide to do the deed.

That being said, I'm not religious attached to the idea -- or at all for that matter. I'm just not going to jump into bed for the sake of verifying our sexual compatibility. I guess it all depends on how our relationship progresses, and how we both feel about it. Plus, I highly doubt that intelligent people in serious relationships are fickle enough to end a relationship based on mediocre performances in the bedroom. If they fail, make them better.

IMO, its special regardless of performance if you love each other.

[Just_Dream]

I'm not going to choose sides because I see totally understand why people choose to save it until they are married. People want it to be a meaningful experience, so by having your "first" with someone you're married to and who is also a virgin, it's something that only you two share with each other. You know what I mean? Of course there might be times where the marriage falls apart, but that doesn't mean saving it didn't mean anything.

Honestly, it just depends on a person's perspective of what the initiation of intercourse really means to them. I've only had 1 sexual partner in the past 5 years that I've been sexually active, and fortunately things are still going well with him. Am I married? No. Should I have saved it? Maybe. But even then, I don't think I have strong enough morals to maintain abstinence until marriage. Honestly, kudos to the couples who are in relationships lasting 5+ years and both are still virgins. It shows that there isn't a dependence on sex to keep a relationship strong, although I would have to say that they are missing out on the pleasures of sex...


EDIT - and yea sorry if my answer seems a little biased, since we all know my situation.

[datass]

agree with sulphur

[illriginal]

Honestly, the people who believe in not having sex before marriage is setting themselves for a huge risk. Why you ask? You're about to marry someone you've never had sex with, and after you're married, they are going to be your sex partner for the rest of your life.

People who say sex isn't a big deal and that important in a healthy relationship are kidding themselves. There are those who have sexual chemistry, and some who just have general personality chemistry. Also, of course you can have both. What I'm saying is that, why set yourself up for a risk and marry someone you haven't sexually experienced yet? You two could be have the best relationship and get married. However, what happens after you guys get married, and your partner totally sucks at sex? You're screwed, and stuck with that person for the rest of your life, until maybe you want a divorce. But why go through all that, and deal with the financial burden of one?

Also, it's also a good thing, to live with someone you're about to marry. Again, you're going to be with your spouse for quite some time under the same roof after you're married. I've seen too many times couples who never lived with one another, get married, and move in together for the first time. They have so much problems with living with one another.

So I say, f**k the no sex before marriage rule. Have all the sex you can get in the relationship before getting married, and know what you are getting yourself into.
edit: oops posted in wrong forums. mod move to relationship plox.

Damn son... you're straight up Americanized.

Technically speaking, sex is all about evolution. Bringing another human into this world. It's not really supposed to be used as some sort of sport or stress reliever. Even though we can look at it that way, specially when there's protection.

What exactly made you come up with this "f**k no sex before marriage" philosophy? I thought Asians in general had more morals than this. I guess it's true, that cultures are truly dying.


I also wanna add, why not just stay a virgin til' you're married?... When you have sex for the first time with your partner, it's gonna just as great for the both of you. Then you can go ahead and pick up a karma sutra book and learn new exciting moves/positions. Or even pick up on dancing for flexibility and endurance.

[stephinika]

I'm not going to choose sides because I see totally understand why people choose to save it until they are married. People want it to be a meaningful experience, so by having your "first" with someone you're married to and who is also a virgin, it's something that only you two share with each other. You know what I mean? Of course there might be times where the marriage falls apart, but that doesn't mean saving it didn't mean anything.

Honestly, it just depends on a person's perspective of what the initiation of intercourse really means to them. I've only had 1 sexual partner in the past 5 years that I've been sexually active, and fortunately things are still going well with him. Am I married? No. Should I have saved it? Maybe. But even then, I don't think I have strong enough morals to maintain abstinence until marriage. Honestly, kudos to the couples who are in relationships lasting 5+ years and both are still virgins. It shows that there isn't a dependence on sex to keep a relationship strong, although I would have to say that they are missing out on the pleasures of sex...
EDIT - and yea sorry if my answer seems a little biased, since we all know my situation.

Haha, its all good but yeah I have to say I agree with you and what Anisha said too. I'm not for premarital sex but I'm not against it either. It really depends on the people and the relationship. I think as long as you're being smart about it and being responsible, then go for it. Its the individual's own choice right? So yeh.
And I've only had one sexual partner as well and so far things are going well, so yeh. That just kinda ties in to what Christina said.

[*paperplane*]

I think there's too much emphasis on virginity. If that's the greatest "gift" I've got, then my life is f**ked.

[swishersweet]

i guess it depends on your ethics and morals..

[misoshiru]

And I've only had one sexual partner as well and so far things are going well, so yeh.

O_O but I thought you and....and..what was his name again? or I assumed. hahaha.

[Tung]

Damn son... you're straight up Americanized.

You got that right. Fuck the Vietnamese culture.

There, I said it.

Bang till your dick is sore.

[S-Majere]

Tung, did you have a bad break-up or something?

[superstitious]

Bang till your dick is sore.

... lol

I was raised Mormon and was constantly being told to wait until I married. Since I don't believe in marriage (for myself), I didn't wait (obviously). Besides, I like sex A LOT. I like sex too much to have to be married to someone in order to have it.

[Tung]

Tung, did you have a bad break-up or something?

No, I'm still in a relationship right now.

I was raised Mormon and was constantly being told to wait until I married. Since I don't believe in marriage (for myself), I didn't wait (obviously). Besides, I like sex A LOT. I like sex too much to have to be married to someone in order to have it.

You go girl! Milf status.

[illriginal]

You got that right. Fuck the Vietnamese culture.

There, I said it.

Bang till your dick is sore.

lol one of the gravest sins... to be ashame of your skin color, race/ethnicity/culture.

Good luck to ya... and your sex adventures lol

[Tung]

lol one of the gravest sins... to be ashame of your skin color, race/ethnicity/culture.

Good luck to ya... and your sex adventures lol

Sins? I'm not a believer in the whole sins and good deeds stuff. I'm an atheist. Do I ever feel guilty when I "sin"? Of course, but everyone does wrong.

My sex adventures? I never dated a Vietnamese girl, but I have had sex with them. I think my sex adventures is just fine.

[stephinika]

O_O but I thought you and....and..what was his name again? or I assumed. hahaha.

Haha, his name was Adrian and nope. Thats one of the reasons I kinda ended things...he pressured me in that direction in an awkward manner and just...yeah. I'm not going to get into it.

[illriginal]

Sins? I'm not a believer in the whole sins and good deeds stuff. I'm an atheist. Do I ever feel guilty when I "sin"? Of course, but everyone does wrong.

Yar.. I was generally speaking about being ashamed of your origins.

My sex adventures? I never dated a Vietnamese girl, but I have had sex with them. I think my sex adventures is just fine.

K

[Just_Dream]

Damn son... you're straight up Americanized.

Technically speaking, sex is all about evolution. Bringing another human into this world. It's not really supposed to be used as some sort of sport or stress reliever. Even though we can look at it that way, specially when there's protection.

You're undermining the emotional aspect of sex. So you would HAVE SEX to give birth? That's taking away pleasures from it. That's like telling a person to read a book for a class, and not enjoy it. That they should only read the book during that class, and ONLY IF they are taking that class. And sex is all about evolution? LMAO. Darwinism is evolution. Let's not bring science into this. It may "not be" a stress reliever or a sport, but why tell people it cannot be? If it's something someone enjoys, no one should inhibit it. I'd much rather enjoy having sex than knowing that I have to have sex ONLY to conceive a child, kthx.

I thought Asians in general had more morals than this.

LULZ WUT? Don't stereotype us. We have morals, but it doesn't mean we're SO DIFFERENT that we can't have pre-marital sex. Oh yea and I bet you'd also say that homosexuality shouldn't happen in Asian cultures because Asians in general had more morals than this. Oh yes and Americans are so goddamn sex crazed, they have less morality! Honestly, I'm not trying to undermine those who believe in sex AFTER marriage - it's all sweet and dandy that they choose to do so, but I dislike biased views that undermine the enjoyment of sexual pleasure.

As for being Americanized... well some (or many) of us are ________ - American. Except Steph. She's like, Asian-Hispanic-Canadian. <333 lol this could be moved to debate, BUT the topic title sucks. :P

[brooklyneast05]

I thought Asians in general had more morals than this.

LULZ WUT?

x2

[illriginal]

You're undermining the emotional aspect of sex. So you would HAVE SEX to give birth? That's taking away pleasures from it. That's like telling a person to read a book for a class, and not enjoy it. That they should only read the book during that class, and ONLY IF they are taking that class. And sex is all about evolution? LMAO. Darwinism is evolution. Let's not bring science into this. It may "not be" a stress reliever or a sport, but why tell people it cannot be? If it's something someone enjoys, no one should inhibit it. I'd much rather enjoy having sex than knowing that I have to have sex ONLY to conceive a child, kthx.
LULZ WUT? Don't stereotype us. We have morals, but it doesn't mean we're SO DIFFERENT that we can't have pre-marital sex. Oh yea and I bet you'd also say that homosexuality shouldn't happen in Asian cultures because Asians in general had more morals than this. Oh yes and Americans are so goddamn sex crazed, they have less morality! Honestly, I'm not trying to undermine those who believe in sex AFTER marriage - it's all sweet and dandy that they choose to do so, but I dislike biased views that undermine the enjoyment of sexual pleasure.

As for being Americanized... well some (or many) of us are ________ - American. Except Steph. She's like, Asian-Hispanic-Canadian. <333 lol this could be moved to debate, BUT the topic title sucks. :P

I would actually bother to even give this a chance in debating this with you and actually destroy your post. But I much rather just sit back and laugh at this nonsense. Though it would be a waste of time in the first place, tryin to debate with American-(ized) youngsters.

[queen]

i'm too lazy to type out my whole argument, so i'll just say i agree with agiri's and just dream's posts.

[brooklyneast05]

DING DING,
Christina WINS

[illriginal]

DING DING,
Christina WINS

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Your debates consist of like 2 sentences. Please stfu.

You're undermining the emotional aspect of sex.

No I'm not... the only emotion associated to sex is either love or lust.

So you would HAVE SEX to give birth? That's taking away pleasures from it. That's like telling a person to read a book for a class, and not enjoy it. That they should only read the book during that class, and ONLY IF they are taking that class.

Uh pretty much... Lets pretend that there's no such thing as protection nor STDs. Are you goin to have sex every time you want sex? Knowing that you could get pregnant?... You're willing to risk pregnancy just for your selfish pleasure?

Speaking of pleasure, what pleasure are we taking away from having sex just for pregnancy? It's gonna feel the same regardless. The emotion of love still exists... what's missing? Stress? I hope not.. cuz you can simply meditate for relaxation.

What's not enjoyable about having sex just to birth a child?... If you find it not enjoyable to have sex in order to bring a child into this world, then you should do yourself a favor and have your tubes tied.

And sex is all about evolution? LMAO. Darwinism is evolution. Let's not bring science into this.

Actually LETS bring science into this. The only reason why sex is needed in humans is in order for evolution to exist. In order to bring more generations, in order for the human specie to exist. Obviously you fail to understand the true concept of sex.

It may "not be" a stress reliever or a sport, but why tell people it cannot be? If it's something someone enjoys, no one should inhibit it. I'd much rather enjoy having sex than knowing that I have to have sex ONLY to conceive a child, kthx.

I never said it can't be a stress reliever. But there's other alternatives to stress relief. Again if there's no such thing as protection nor STDs... you're gonna tell me that you're willing to risk having a child just to relieve some stress? LOL

LULZ WUT? Don't stereotype us. We have morals, but it doesn't mean we're SO DIFFERENT that we can't have pre-marital sex. Oh yea and I bet you'd also say that homosexuality shouldn't happen in Asian cultures because Asians in general had more morals than this.

If the shoe fits, I can stereo type all I want. I bet right now if I was discussing this with your earlier ancestors such as your grandparents they would agree with my posts over your posts. It quite sad that I have more knowledge of your culture (mongolian) than you, for you to sit here and claim that it's fine and dandy to have pre-marital sex. People have died in your culture because of pre-marital sex.. dummy.

Oh yes and Americans are so goddamn sex crazed, they have less morality! Honestly, I'm not trying to undermine those who believe in sex AFTER marriage - it's all sweet and dandy that they choose to do so, but I dislike biased views that undermine the enjoyment of sexual pleasure.

Actually America is very highly sex crazed. Shit here in America industry leaders all know that sex sales. If they could display a naked group of women holding Mcdonald products in order to sell... they'd do it. Why? Because here in the U.S. sex is the thing right now. That's all everyone is ever thinking about. Some how some way... someone can associate sex with just about anything that exists.

Oh and please sex goddess... tell me what undermining I'm doin on the enjoyment of sexual pleasures. Because you're making it seem like I'm soooo against sex lol. Tell me what a couple that's not looking to have kids can enjoy more than a couple who are looking to have kids. Tell me the difference... maybe I'll take you serious and realize you're actually an adult, and not some horny lil middle school child.

As for being Americanized... well some (or many) of us are ________ - American. Except Steph. She's like, Asian-Hispanic-Canadian. <333 lol this could be moved to debate, BUT the topic title sucks. :P

Who gives a damn... I already see the destiny of America and it's people. You're all f**ked lol.

[brooklyneast05]

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Your debates consist of like 2 sentences. Please stfu.

lol really? why don't you go check out the debate forum.



oh yeah, and it got you to actually attempt to reply to her, didn't it? i thought you weren't even going to bother. damn all of us american-ized youngsters.

and what the hell is your problem with sex? all you do is preach about it. i don't understand what the problem is. i also don't get your problem with america. do you live in the US? i don't get where all this dislike comes from.

[Just_Dream]

No I'm not... the only emotion associated to sex is either love or lust.

You just said "sex is all about evolution", ignoring the "love" part of it. So if two people are in love, they are ONLY allowed to have sex if they consider conceiving a child?

Uh pretty much... Lets pretend that there's no such thing as protection nor STDs. Are you goin to have sex every time you want sex? Knowing that you could get pregnant?... You're willing to risk pregnancy just for your selfish pleasure?

I don't want to get pregnant. If there's no such thing as protection or STDs, yea I would still have sex.

Speaking of pleasure, what pleasure are we taking away from having sex just for pregnancy? Stress? I hope not.. cuz you can simply meditate for relaxation.

The love still exists, but you're saying that sex should only be done so in order to give birth. Now you're taking this WAY TOO FAR because sex AFTER MARRIAGE does not necessarily mean you have to have a child. I never said I have sex as a stress reliever. Rather, that you shouldn't undermine it. You can't say what sex should and shouldn't be like. You say "oh it's not supposed to be this way, but people make it this way." Yea well who are you to go out and tell people what to do? And I'm going to ASSUME YOU ARE STILL A VIRGIN only because of your answers. Anyway, sex is actually a form of relaxation. If you've had sex before, you know what I mean. I don't have sex to feel relaxed. I do it because I am in a position where I really love the person that I am with and I like the sexual pleasure from it. RELAXATION is an EFFECT of sex. At least it is for people who enjoy it. And it doesn't matter about pregnancy. Again we need to stray away from the idea of "sex can only lead to birth." That's why you're taking away the emotional pleasures. You're just like the people who say that people should get married then have sex to have children and that's it. What about the people who get married and DON'T WANT CHILDREN?!

Then you should do yourself a favor and have your tubes tied.

I don't want children, KTHX. Yea I would get my tubes tied, but I'm going to wait until "science" develops more further and it's a safer procedure. I wish I could get my tubes tied easily. It's easier and less of a risk for a man to get a vasectomy (and reversible) compared to women getting their tubes tied.

Actually LETS bring science into this. The only reason why sex is needed in humans is in order for evolution to exist. In order to bring more generations, in order for the human specie to exist. Obviously you fail to understand the true concept of sex.

Who are you to tell me what the "true concept" of sex is? I can define it however I like. We all have different perceptions of what sex is, and why we do it. Are you going to tell me that EVERYONE has sex to conceive children? If so, you're dead wrong.

It quite sad that I have more knowledge of your culture (mongolian) than you, for you to sit here and claim that it's fine and dandy to have pre-marital sex. People have died in your culture because of pre-marital sex.. dummy.

I'm NOT Mongolian, kthxbye. lol Oh please don't group me with the people who have sex with anyone they can get. It's the fact that people aren't truthful with each other, that AIDS and other fallible diseases spread. It's that people aren't using protection. Oh and if you're going to bring in "science" into this, consider children who grow up and are virgins. They get married. Then they have sex and have children, who have diseases. If you've taken Genetics, you'll know that sex passes on GENES as well that result in diseases, where people die, such as through recessive traits and percentage penetrance of such diseases. Let's not take this too far though, as these scientific tangents can confuse people.

Actually America is very hsighly sex crazed. Shit here in America industry leaders all know that sex sales
Tell me what a couple that's not looking to have kids can enjoy more than a couple who are looking to have kids.

Obviously you don't know about the crzy shit that happens in Asian or Europe. Nude beaches, pornographic magazines in VENDING MACHINES (Asia, maybe even "Mongolia"!), etc. I could care less about the sex craze of America, as I don't buy into the hype. Like I said dont' stereotype because everyone is different. Just because I'm American, you're going to say that I'm one of the people who constantly look at porn and such? Of course sex sells. When does it NOT? But so what? You're making this into a bigger deal than it really is, you know that. Yes I am saying that you seem like you're SOOO AGAINST SEX THAT DOES FOCUS ON BIRTH-GIVING.

Okay you want me to tell you wht a couple that's not looking to have kids can enjoy more? I'm going to say freedom. The freedom of having sex whenever they choose so without the inhibition of knowing that "oh yea I'm only having sex to have a child." AGAIN I ASK: What about the married couples who do NOT want children? YOu are focusing this too much on childbirth. You have such high expectations for people that you don't even understand how DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

Oh, you're "treating me" like a middle school horny child? Well then I guess I'll just treat you like an elementary school child runs the chance they hear the word "cooties!"

[superstitious]

What's with all the sexual repression? I don't get it (and yes, I've read every word in this thread).

You really think that America is all that sex crazed? Because it really isn't. At least not for women.

I'm at work and get respond much more, but man, it's like not only do we have to feel a social stigma if we're not inhibited but we're being accused of being sex crazed?

[Just_Dream]

DING DING,
Christina WINS

LUL WIN WUT? MOTM? JayKay.

[superstitious]

LUL WIN WUT?

a ding ding, silly!

[pkbabe]

Have all the sex you can get in the relationship before getting married

Besides the quotation above, I pretty much agree with you Sure I have nothing against those who wish to wait I personally cannot do that.

It freakin reminds of the Marie Antoinette movie & how she was in an arranged marraige(virgin) & for many yrs her husband never touched her. I think she only had sex with him 2 times in their whole marraige (before the family was killed off ).Of course because of this lack of "marital duties" she cheated

If I were honestly in the situation as Marie Antoinette, I'd probably do the same thing

[illriginal]

You just said "sex is all about evolution", ignoring the "love" part of it. So if two people are in love, they are ONLY allowed to have sex if they consider conceiving a child?

I don't want to get pregnant. If there's no such thing as protection or STDs, yea I would still have sex.

The love still exists, but you're saying that sex should only be done so in order to give birth. Now you're taking this WAY TOO FAR because sex AFTER MARRIAGE does not necessarily mean you have to have a child. I never said I have sex as a stress reliever. Rather, that you shouldn't undermine it. You can't say what sex should and shouldn't be like. You say "oh it's not supposed to be this way, but people make it this way." Yea well who are you to go out and tell people what to do? And I'm going to ASSUME YOU ARE STILL A VIRGIN only because of your answers. Anyway, sex is actually a form of relaxation. If you've had sex before, you know what I mean. I don't have sex to feel relaxed. I do it because I am in a position where I really love the person that I am with and I like the sexual pleasure from it. RELAXATION is an EFFECT of sex. At least it is for people who enjoy it. And it doesn't matter about pregnancy. Again we need to stray away from the idea of "sex can only lead to birth." That's why you're taking away the emotional pleasures. You're just like the people who say that people should get married then have sex to have children and that's it. What about the people who get married and DON'T WANT CHILDREN?!

I don't want children, KTHX. Yea I would get my tubes tied, but I'm going to wait until "science" develops more further and it's a safer procedure. I wish I could get my tubes tied easily. It's easier and less of a risk for a man to get a vasectomy (and reversible) compared to women getting their tubes tied.

Who are you to tell me what the "true concept" of sex is? I can define it however I like. We all have different perceptions of what sex is, and why we do it. Are you going to tell me that EVERYONE has sex to conceive children? If so, you're dead wrong.

I'm NOT Mongolian, kthxbye. lol Oh please don't group me with the people who have sex with anyone they can get. It's the fact that people aren't truthful with each other, that AIDS and other fallible diseases spread. It's that people aren't using protection. Oh and if you're going to bring in "science" into this, consider children who grow up and are virgins. They get married. Then they have sex and have children, who have diseases. If you've taken Genetics, you'll know that sex passes on GENES as well that result in diseases, where people die, such as through recessive traits and percentage penetrance of such diseases. Let's not take this too far though, as these scientific tangents can confuse people.

Obviously you don't know about the crzy shit that happens in Asian or Europe. Nude beaches, pornographic magazines in VENDING MACHINES (Asia, maybe even "Mongolia"!), etc. I could care less about the sex craze of America, as I don't buy into the hype. Like I said dont' stereotype because everyone is different. Just because I'm American, you're going to say that I'm one of the people who constantly look at porn and such? Of course sex sells. When does it NOT? But so what? You're making this into a bigger deal than it really is, you know that. Yes I am saying that you seem like you're SOOO AGAINST SEX THAT DOES FOCUS ON BIRTH-GIVING.

Okay you want me to tell you wht a couple that's not looking to have kids can enjoy more? I'm going to say freedom. The freedom of having sex whenever they choose so without the inhibition of knowing that "oh yea I'm only having sex to have a child." AGAIN I ASK: What about the married couples who do NOT want children? YOu are focusing this too much on childbirth. You have such high expectations for people that you don't even understand how DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

Oh, you're "treating me" like a middle school horny child? Well then I guess I'll just treat you like an elementary school child runs the chance they hear the word "cooties!"

Wait... you're not even Asian yet your avatar screams Mongolian?... You're all screwed up. "kthnxbye" LOL what a child.


Anyone else have the same opinion as this person and can better explain their opinion? I think this person's angry to the point of not understanding by adding more to the argument than needs be. If that makes any sense.

[brooklyneast05]

Wait... you're not even Asian yet your avatar screams Mongolian?... You're all screwed up. "kthnxbye" LOL what a child.
Anyone else have the same opinion as this person and can better explain their opinion? I think this person's angry to the point of not understanding by adding more to the argument than needs be. If that makes any sense.

no, it doesn't make sense. she makes perfect sense. sorry :(

[illriginal]

no, it doesn't make sense. she makes perfect sense. sorry :(

Actually she's twisting and adding more to my argument.
Nor is she properly answering the questions... this looks like nothin more but rambling/ranting.

So I'll check once in a while for a proper argument against my post.

[Tung]

Wait... you're not even Asian yet your avatar screams Mongolian?...

Are you stupid? Of course she's Asian, but she's not Mongolian. Mongolians are a group of people that specifies several ethnic groups from parts of Russia, Mongolia, and China. Not all Asians are from these places dipshit.

Someone move this to debate. It seems more of a debate thread now.

[fathomlessdame]

I agree that you shouldn't necessarily wait till you are married to have sex. I don't think it would be good to be stuck in a marriage where the sex sucked. Also, I don't think you can really tell if the sex will be any good if you haven't had it.

But for those people that do want to wait, even though thats not what I would do, go for it!

And I completely agree with just_dream. I would add to her argument but I can't think of any other way to say what she's saying.

[superstitious]

Someone move this to debate. It seems more of a debate thread now.

GRANTED

[Just_Dream]

Actually she's twisting and adding more to my argument.
Nor is she properly answering the questions... this looks like nothin more but rambling/ranting.

So I'll check once in a while for a proper argument against my post.

I am not angry. I am justifying my arguments much better than you are, but I guess I shouldn't expect much form such a close-minded person. I am most certainly not rambling. I am not twisting your words -- just taking it as it is. If you can't even defend yourself against my argument, then I have nothing more to say to you about it. If anything, you're the one rambling and going off on tangents, Mr. Sex = Evolution = Childbirth. :]


Oh and yes I am Asian. I am just not Mongolian. Sorry I don't meet up to your expectations of a typical Asian. :] Oh and my avatar screaming "Mongolian"?

[monster]

There's not enough Christian fanaticism in this thread. I'll fill in.


First off, those who comment and say "Yeah, but if you wait 'till marriage to get laid, you'll have horrible sex, and it'll be nasty! No one will know what to do!" My arguement against that is that if you don't know what sex is, you have nothing to compare it to. Besides, you can always get better at sex when you do it a lot with your spouse.

Just because I'm waiting for a certain someone to marry before I have sex doesn't mean I don't like sex. In fact, I'll probably have sex with my wife three times a day, after each meal. (With probably some extra quickies between.) There seems to be a stereotype that just because I waited for marriage, that I don't like sex or something.

Also, I figured since tamadouchebag is Muslim, that he'd understand that sex isn't just to conceive. It's to enjoy between a wife and husband. Wtfux?

Nothing to really debate about, it's just expression of opinion with the occasional dumbass posting.

[superstitious]

You have such high expectations for people that you don't even understand how DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

Not only high, but unrealistic.

Look, I understand that many people believe in chastity before marriage and I respect that ideology. I just don't share in that belief nor do I have any feelings of guilt for not waiting until marriage. As I stated before, I don't care for marriage and if I had waited, I'd still be a virgin (and of course wouldn't have my child). Having said that, I by no means had sex for the exclusive sake of having a child. Trust me, I was in a state of shock when I saw those "two pink lines" and what Christina said about "freedom" is something I've definitely experienced.

I do not begrudge or belittle individuals because they strongly believe in waiting. I also wouldn't recommend condemning people for satisfying innate carnal needs and urges if they decide that there is no need to wait or decide that marriage isn't for them. I do wonder how many people wait because it is something they feel strongly about or wait out of fear (of God, religion, etc.)

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

So I say, f**k the no sex before marriage rule.

[weed]

Not only high, but unrealistic.

Look, I understand that many people believe in chastity before marriage and I respect that ideology. I just don't share in that belief nor do I have any feelings of guilt for not waiting until marriage.

pretty much.

i waited a year. then i f**ked my boyfriend all the time. yea. its true. his dick is the perfect size, not too small, still too big lol.

[illriginal]

There's not enough Christian fanaticism in this thread. I'll fill in.
First off, those who comment and say "Yeah, but if you wait 'till marriage to get laid, you'll have horrible sex, and it'll be nasty! No one will know what to do!" My arguement against that is that if you don't know what sex is, you have nothing to compare it to. Besides, you can always get better at sex when you do it a lot with your spouse.

Just because I'm waiting for a certain someone to marry before I have sex doesn't mean I don't like sex. In fact, I'll probably have sex with my wife three times a day, after each meal. (With probably some extra quickies between.) There seems to be a stereotype that just because I waited for marriage, that I don't like sex or something.

Also, I figured since tamadouchebag is Muslim, that he'd understand that sex isn't just to conceive. It's to enjoy between a wife and husband. Wtfux?

Nothing to really debate about, it's just expression of opinion with the occasional dumbass posting.

agreed.

But keep in mind.. I never said anything "against" that. It was the crazy female who threw that into the argument when it wasn't even first mentioned nor needed in the argument.

[NoSex]

Of course, that post came from the Girl's Locker. Those poor stigmatized women.

Beyond raising a brow, I'm "what the f**king?!" anyone that doesn't bang their partner before marriage. That's just a damned idiotic strategy. Sex is fun and it doesn't equal love. Further, naturally, mankind is not monogamous (just like the majority of all other living mammals). Lastly, if you esteem marriage so much, you shouldn't take it so lightly. I don't believe in nor ever want to get married, but, if I was going to I would get everything straight. If I was going to make such a strong legal and philosophical commitment, I would ensure that I knew every inch of my partner, both metaphorically and literally. Sexual identity is a huge deal - to marry someone without being hip to such things is f**king stupid, no matter how you cut the cake.

More so and more so it becomes obvious that we're in a society full of sexual repression (especially in the case of women).

[Heathasm]

Just because I'm waiting for a certain someone to marry before I have sex doesn't mean I don't like sex. In fact, I'll probably have sex with my wife three times a day, after each meal. (With probably some extra quickies between.) There seems to be a stereotype that just because I waited for marriage, that I don't like sex or something.

LOL@VIRGIN CHRISTIAN WIFE WANTING TO HAVE SEX 3 TIMES A DAY

sorry but i just dont believe in saving yourself for marriage it seems like a BAD idea and will probably lead to divorce and shame for getting a divorce!

[NoSex]

P.S. Yes, please do "f**k" me "before marriage."

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. The title was far too perfect)

[*Steven*]

P.S. Yes, please do "f**k" me "before marriage."

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. The title was far too perfect)

too hairy

[S-Majere]

Oooh, it took me ages to get that. Nice.

[*Steven*]

STOP MOVING THIS

[illriginal]

Are you stupid? Of course she's Asian, but she's not Mongolian. Mongolians are a group of people that specifies several ethnic groups from parts of Russia, Mongolia, and China. Not all Asians are from these places dipshit.

Someone move this to debate. It seems more of a debate thread now.

LOL I'd recommend you do a lil more studying before firing back at me with your "dipshit" comment. Now you look like a bigger dipshit. Alpha-Dipshit.

[superstitious]

STOP MOVING THIS

Why was it moved back? Tung asked for it to be moved to Debate.

[illriginal]

Why was it moved back? Tung asked for it to be moved to Debate.

It's not even a debate... these are just personal point of views.

[Tung]

LOL I'd recommend you do a lil more studying before firing back at me with your "dipshit" comment. Now you look like a bigger dipshit. Alpha-Dipshit.

Want to explain how Vietnamese people are classified as Mongolians then?

[pandora]

yeah i'd like to know as well.

and i'd like to go on record as stating that PROCREATION is not the same thing as EVOLUTION.


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W.T.F. Does race have anything to do with anything? You're so damn brain washed it's pathetic. Race has nothing to do with fighting. Race isn't even an element of a fighter. My God I think I've lost a butt load of brain cells tonight with you guys... I'm hittin the sack, you damn drones.

I have to do this.

W.T.F. Does race have anything to do with anything? You're so damn brain washed it's pathetic. Race has nothing to do with sex. Race isn't even an element of a sexually active person.

[superstitious]

It's not even a debate... these are just personal point of views.

Someone move this to debate. It seems more of a debate thread now.

He's the topic author, not you. Unless you decide that you can request whatever it is you want with other people's threads, since you've been known to do that before.

And I don't see how this is any less of a debate than some of the other topics we have in Debate, other than you not liking the topic.

[illriginal]

Want to explain how Vietnamese people are classified as Mongolians then?

Vietnam is a multi ethnic country in which consists of 68 million Vietnamese of Mongoloid race.

-.-

Don't f**k with my historical knowledge boy... read the last line in my signature.

He's the topic author, not you. Unless you decide that you can request whatever it is you want with other people's threads, since you've been known to do that before.

And I don't see how this is any less of a debate than some of the other topics we have in Debate, other than you not liking the topic.

Right.

[queen]

^ this is why people get confused with race and ethnicity.

there's a difference between the mongoloid race and what is now the mongolian ethnic group. it was thomas henry huxley who gave distinct names in the "four races", which some people don't even consider anymore.

edited: forgot huxley's first & middle name for a second ;x

[illriginal]

^ this is why people get confused with race and ethnicity.

there's a difference between the mongoloid race and what is now the mongolian ethnic group. it was HUXLEY who gave distinct names in the "four races", which some people don't even consider anymore.

Oh true... I stick to origins. Stupid people should go kill themselves for ruining life and historical knowledge.

ps. Prediction!!! A hound dog will quote me and tell me to go kill myself.

pss. lets get back on topic =\

[Tung]

Vietnam is a multi ethnic country in which consists of 68 million Vietnamese of Mongoloid race.

-.-

Don't f**k with my historical knowledge boy... read the last line in my signature.

Historical knowledge? All you did was google this shit and did a quick 10 minute research on Vietnam.

[quote Vietnam is a multi-ethnic country with its main population of 68 millions of Vietnamese of Mongoloid race. There are also 15 millions of aborigines grouping some 53 ethnic minorities. The composition of ethnic minorities is as follows : the Muong, Tho, Chut (of Viet-Muong language), the Tay, Nung, Thai, Cao Lan, San Chi, Lao, Puna (of Tay-Thai language), the Hmong, Dao, Pathen, Tông (of Hmong-Dao language), the Lolo, La Hu, Cong, Phu La, Si La (of Tibeto-Burman language),the Bahnar, Kmer, Sedang, Mnong, Maa, Sre, Katu, Khmu, Hre (of Mon-Khmer language), the Jarai, Ede, Cham, churu, Rhade (of Austronesian language), the Co Lao, La Chi, Pu Peo, La ha (of various languages of the Austroasiatic family), etc.[\quote]

http://www.honque.com/HQ020/bKhao_tqHai.htm

And I agree with Trish on that one. I like to see you answer her on that one.

[AimeeLynn]

Sorry I agree...It's not such a big deal. The sex part that is. But if you want to wait until marriage because you want more meaning then go ahead. But sex in general is not that big as people tend it to be.

[illriginal]

Historical knowledge? All you did was google this shit and did a quick 10 minute research on Vietnam.
Vietnam is a multi-ethnic country with its main population of 68 millions of Vietnamese of Mongoloid race. There are also 15 millions of aborigines grouping some 53 ethnic minorities. The composition of ethnic minorities is as follows : the Muong, Tho, Chut (of Viet-Muong language), the Tay, Nung, Thai, Cao Lan, San Chi, Lao, Puna (of Tay-Thai language), the Hmong, Dao, Pathen, Tông (of Hmong-Dao language), the Lolo, La Hu, Cong, Phu La, Si La (of Tibeto-Burman language),the Bahnar, Kmer, Sedang, Mnong, Maa, Sre, Katu, Khmu, Hre (of Mon-Khmer language), the Jarai, Ede, Cham, churu, Rhade (of Austronesian language), the Co Lao, La Chi, Pu Peo, La ha (of various languages of the Austroasiatic family), etc.[\quote]

http://www.honque.com/HQ020/bKhao_tqHai.htm

That's not exactly the site (music site... wtf???) I went to, but ok. Can you prove that it's wrong?...

[pandora]

why are we talking about race in a topic about premarital sex? this is completely off topic.

[queen]

i could understand tamacracker's point of view. he basically thinks like my grandparents.

so any "debate" going on between him and the rest of us is purely difference in opinion between "american individualism" and his traditionalist closed mindedness.

tamacracker, though i do believe that sex was once perceived as only for procreation, you're making it seem like we've evolved into sex-crazed animals (although for some of us i guess that'd be true, har har har). i personally disagree with your standpoint, but i do respect you a teeny bit more that you appear to stand behind your old-school beliefs. there aren't that many people i know who still think that way.

why are we talking about race in a topic about premarital sex? this is completely off topic.

'cause he digressed into the issue of morality and its corellation with race. then he called christina mongolian. so yah ;o.

[absinthe]

That's not exactly the site (music site... wtf???) I went to, but ok. Can you prove that it's wrong?...

First off, you just admitted that your knowledge of the subject goes as far as a Google search. That being said, I have no idea where you get such conviction in the statement from.

And what kinda question is that?




You know Tamacracker, after all the other times you've gotten pwnd for being a self-righteous prick, I'd have thought you had learned that being an all-knowing close-minded contrary to everything someone says on CB just doesn't work.

And for all the crap you whip up about CB's general lack of decency, and manners, you sure as hell have a funny way of debating.

/offtopic

[illriginal]

i could understand tamacracker's point of view. he basically thinks like my grandparents.

so any "debate" going on between him and the rest of us is purely difference in opinion between american 'individualism' and his traditionalist closed mindedness.

tamacracker, though i do believe that sex was once perceived as only for procreation, you're making it seem like we've evolved into sex-crazed animals (although for some of us i guess that'd be true, har har har). i personally disagree with your standpoint, but i do respect you a teeny bit more that you appear to stand behind your old-school beliefs. there aren't that many people i know who still think that way.

Movies, radio, tv shows, music of nearly any genre. Nuff said.

Not many people respect others for their views.. specially when they seem like they're the same as their parents or even grandparents. But oh well... it's their lives and their problems.. not mine.

First off, you just admitted that your knowledge of the subject goes as far as a Google search. That being said, I have no idea where you get such conviction in the statement from.

You do realize... cross referencing anything on google is the proper way to research right?... You do multiple of searches and try to prove the authenticity of it. Vietnam Census people... C'MON!!! And that's nothin... I'm just speakin about current day population.

And what kinda question is that?
You know Tamacracker, after all the other times you've gotten pwnd for being a self-righteous prick, I'd have thought you had learned that being an all-knowing close-minded contrary to everything someone says on CB just doesn't work.

LOL I don't give a shit about what you think or anyone else thinks to be quite frank. You're just another human being... nothin special to me nor anyone else in this forum. So you can take my word for it or not.. I don't give a daaaamn. lol

And for all the crap you whip up about CB's general lack of decency, and manners, you sure as hell have a funny way of debating.

/offtopic

Yeah normally it's like playin chess you see... I read their moves and either play along with them or just drop it because at the end of it all.. it's some how gonna become a flame war. Like it normally becomes at the end -,-

[illriginal]

delete this post -,- im goin home!

[pandora]

rofl "knowledge" does not mean "ability to google."

[absinthe]

You do realize... cross referencing anything on google is the proper way to research right?... You do multiple of searches and try to prove the authenticity of it. Vietnam Census people... C'MON!!!

Cross referencing comes into the picture when you have background knowledge of the subject, and reliable sources. Start coughing up scholarly essays, cross reference those, and then we'll talk.

LOL I don't give a shit about what you think or anyone else thinks to be quite frank. You're just another human being... nothin special to me nor anyone else in this forum. So you can take my word for it or not.. I don't give a daaaamn. lol

I'm not even sure about what you're referring to. I said that your style on the board just isn't going to fly.

Read. Comprehend. THEN respond.

Yeah normally it's like playin chess you see... I read their moves and either play along with them or just drop it because at the end of it all.. it's some how gonna become a flame war. Like it normally becomes at the end -,-

Which once again, is because of the rude and crass way you choose to debate.

[tokyo-rose]

delete this post -,- im goin home!

'K, and I'm sure many debaters would appreciate it if you stayed there.

[Just_Dream]

Okay seriously, I'm NOT going to get in a debate about "past" aka "historical" references. No offense, queen.

And I'm not a wannabe Asian. You don't know anything about me, so how about you stop assuming. I'm done anyway, as I am not the one that went on a tangent about "childbirth" and "race". Actually the rate thing started with him calling Tung Americanized and so on.

[illriginal]

Cross referencing comes into the picture when you have background knowledge of the subject, and reliable sources. Start coughing up scholarly essays, cross reference those, and then we'll talk.

Or you could use DNA to prove who's origin is from where/who. For example did you know Genghis Khan's Y chromosomes are in millions of men around the world?... Yep.

But let me ask you, what resources do you have that shows that Vietnamese in no way, shape or form have any relations with Mongolians. If you don't mind me asking.

PM me if you can... I'll leave thread so it gets back on topic.

I'm not even sure about what you're referring to. I said that your style on the board just isn't going to fly.

Ok
But I don't even think we were debating. It's nonsense to debate it. It's just personal view...

how is she a wannabe asian when shes actually... asian?

Yeah I kinda figured that one out a while ago pandora -,-

[pandora]

how is she a wannabe asian when shes actually... asian?

[absinthe]

Or you could use DNA to prove who's origin is from where/who. For example did you know Genghis Khan's Y chromosomes are in millions of men around the world?... Yep.

But let me ask you, what resources do you have that shows that Vietnamese in no way, shape or form have any relations with Mongolians. If you don't mind me asking.

PM me if you can... I'll leave thread so it gets back on topic.

None at all. Why? Because I haven't researched it, which is why I've refrained from taking either side. I like to get my shit straight before saying anything.

Ok mellow.gif
But I don't even think we were debating. It's nonsense to debate it. It's just personal view...

Once again, I'm at a loss as to what you're referring to. If you're talking about the thread topic, then you're right, it is personal view. A debate of people's personal views on the subject.

If you're talking about my analysis of your behavioral success on the board, then no, it wasn't a debate. It was a concrete conclusion drawn from all your past failed arguments on CB, and the manner in which they were delivered.

[illriginal]

None at all. Why? Because I haven't researched it, which is why I've refrained from taking either side. I like to get my shit straight before saying anything.
Once again, I'm at a loss as to what you're referring to. If you're talking about the thread topic, then you're right, it is personal view. A debate of people's personal views on the subject.

If you're talking about my analysis of your behavioral success on the board, then no, it wasn't a debate. It was a concrete conclusion drawn from all your past failed arguments on CB, and the manner in which they were delivered.

Understood. Just to let you know, the reason I definitely tried not to debate this was because it wasn't in the debate forum in the first place.

[pandora]

back on topic please, everyone.

[EddieV]

Tama not to go against you and your morals because I agree you have made good points. But isn't one of the BIGGEST sins in Islam JUDGING others?

[illriginal]

damn.

[EddieV]

But different people find different things wrong. If one person decides that someone else is doing something wrong. That's basically judging. No matter what it is.

Not saying you're a bad person though. I mean even I at this moment am judging by saying you're judging.

[illriginal]

But different people find different things wrong. If one person decides that someone else is doing something wrong. That's basically judging. No matter what it is.

Not saying you're a bad person though. I mean even I at this moment am judging by saying you're judging.

Take it to PM. And quote what I judged.

[EddieV]

No no no, I'm not starting an argument lol. I'm just putting up what I think that's all.

Mind Closed.

[illriginal]

No no no, I'm not starting an argument lol. I'm just putting up what I think that's all.

Mind Closed.

-.- I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm askin you where did I judge...

I believe if you see someone stealing, you can simply call them a thief. That's judging right? Right... but because it's obvious they're stealing it's not wrong to judge them as a thief.

Anyways, I'll leave the thread in peace.

[EddieV]

What if they're stealing for the good?

[Sumiaki]

On a lighter note: Sex is good. I wish you all best of luck in all of your sexual adventures.

[stephinika]

^^
Good, now seriously lets stay on topic, this is getting ridiculous.



Sooo, back to topic -- I think its funny how America is so 'sex-crazed' apparently but at the same time so sexually repressed compared to some places in Europe and whatnot hm?

but like I said earlier, to each his own as long as you don't shove it down ones throat. Seriously.

[illriginal]

but like I said earlier, to each his own as long as you don't shove it down ones throat. Seriously.

Can you please quote the part where I started to shove my opinion down anyone's throat in this thread? NO WHERE did I mention this is how we as humans HAVE to live. I simply implied what the point of sex was in the first place. Nothin more nothing less... I didn't judge anyone for different way of life nor did I tell them that I'm better than them because of their choices with sex.


So quote me. Obviously sulfur failed at quoting me on my so called "judging", poor kid doesn't even know what judging is.

[pandora]

i dont think she was necessarily even talking to you specifically. slow your roll and stop instigating shit.

[fameONE]

Can you please quote the part where I started to shove my opinion down anyone's throat in this thread? NO WHERE did I mention this is how we as humans HAVE to live. I simply implied what the point of sex was in the first place. Nothin more nothing less... I didn't judge anyone for different way of life nor did I tell them that I'm better than them because of their choices with sex.
So quote me. Obviously sulfur failed at quoting me on my so called "judging", poor kid doesn't even know what judging is.

I'm quoting you now.

Instead of singling someone out because you don't take the time to read the thread, why don't you take a step back and realize how narcissistic you are on the forum. Just because you're in a thread, and there's a dispute, doesn't mean it's directed toward you. Get the f**k outta here with that bullshit.

[illriginal]

I'm quoting you now.

Instead of singling someone out because you don't take the time to read the thread, why don't you take a step back and realize how narcissistic you are on the forum. Just because you're in a thread, and there's a dispute, doesn't mean it's directed toward you. Get the f**k outta here with that bullshit.

And with all the assumptions after my first post in this thread by Just Dream, superstitious, and tungmyBANANA, you're gonna tell me that someone's not gonna agree with them (most likey dislike me) and add with no names an agreement with the others by mentioning, "shoving opinions down others throats?... I can tell what they're implying... you can take a look at the rest of the thread and you'll see no one's shoving anything down anyone's throat. Until the moronic assumptions began.

Right...

[pandora]

She was responding to the opening post. This board and the posts made on it do not revolve around you. Steph rarely gets involved with forum drama.

[illriginal]

She was responding to the opening post. This board and the posts made on it do not revolve around you. Steph rarely gets involved with forum drama.

Actually she's taking my opinion of America's "sex craze" and agreeing with superstitious' "sex repression" compared to Europe... nothin to do with the first post of the thread actually.

Anyways I'm outs.

[pandora]

Just because she's agreeing with what other people have said does not mean that she is in any way responding to anything you've said.

[stephinika]

Oh for christs stake Tama whatever. Trish makes a good point, I don't hate the drama here but I don't feel the need to get involved. Honest to god, why do you think it all revolves around you? You really aren't that important, especially not to me. I was trying to get back on topic and just stating a fact I noticed about America and Europe. Notice I said America is BOTH sex-crazed and repressed somehow? Although people, NOT JUST YOU, view America as more sex-crazed than some places in Europe AND other parts of the world.


And actually dude...the 'shove it down ones throat' was a general statement and I meant more so in a way - as long as no one tries to shove their opinion down ANYONE's, NOT JUST YOU.


Jeezuz. Just calm the eff down, and lets all get over this cause this is getting really ridiculous.

[illriginal]

Oh for christs stake Tama whatever. Trish makes a good point, I don't hate the drama here but I don't feel the need to get involved. Honest to god, why do you think it all revolves around you? You really aren't that important, especially not to me. I was trying to get back on topic and just stating a fact I noticed about America and Europe. Notice I said America is BOTH sex-crazed and repressed somehow? Although people, NOT JUST YOU, view America as more sex-crazed than some places in Europe AND other parts of the world.
And actually dude...the 'shove it down ones throat' was a general statement and I meant more so in a way - as long as no one tries to shove their opinion down ANYONE's, NOT JUST YOU.
Jeezuz. Just calm the eff down, and lets all get over this cause this is getting really ridiculous.

K

[sububabiix33]

i agree.
just use a condom.

[misoshiru]

your sig is too big.

[Just_Dream]

=\ At least I get laid

LMAO O RLY?

NO WAIIIIII. Wouldn't that be premarital sex? Make sure you have babies, okay?