Hillary Clinton Options

[brooklyneast05]

watcha think about her?

don't just say you hate her, or think she's a bitch, blah blah blah. i wanna know WHY you like or dislike her.


if you don't know anything about her, her stances, ect...don't reply here please. i really don't give a shit about what you've assumed from looking at her or the fact she's a woman. i want opinions from people who actually have a clue.

[superficial]

Hillary Clinton seems to be convincing a lot of people, but I've seen her interviews and they contradict one another (I've seen one of these videos on cB as well, but I don't remember who posted it). I also heard that she dislikes Asians or something like that. Although if she did stop the war in Iraq, like how she said she would, she wouldn't be that bad of a president as George Bush. If she does win, I don't want her to be fooling around, I want her to rule, and prove to people who think otherwise that women are able to handle the job of being a president.

[fameONE]

Debate? Having this in the lounge gives it visibility and allows us to have an open forum, political discussion, but we must be aware of the idiots.

Wikipedia is God.

In January 2008 Clinton announced she wanted to enact a "stimulus package" totaling as much as $110 billion, to deal with the effects of a possible recession. The package would consists of funds to help deal with the effect of the subprime mortgage crisis, to help lower-income families pay for higher home energy costs, to extend unemployment insurance, and to possibly provide some tax refunds.[5]

Clinton has not signed the tax cut pledge from Americans for Tax Reform, which pledges not to create new taxes or raise existing ones while in office.[6] Clinton advocates repealing portions of the Bush tax cuts, effectively increasing some taxes to the higher rates which existed in 2000.

That sounds lovely. Fiscal planning that benefits the welfare of the American people. But what concerns me is that, in order to support the blue collar Americans that work their fingers to the bone, only to find out that they can't afford to send their child off to college with extreme debt, she will also be chopping their knees by raising tax. Bitch, sign the paper. I understand that in order to get a little, you need to give a little, but there must be a better way to acquire funds without hurting the people you wish to help.

"I believe that. That's why I put it in the book...And I just believe that there's got to be a healthy tension among all of our institutions in society, and that the market is the driving force behind our prosperity, our freedom in so many respects to make our lives our own but that it cannot be permitted just to run roughshod over people's lives as well."

Wait... what? So, would you rather a socialist economy? I don't think the American free market is ready for that, toots. Since the world of capitalism is in the pocket of blue-beared conservatives, convincing the country that this will work will be a task from hell. We'd get more support by just destroying Iran and making it a parking lot. America is a consumer society because of capitalism, but because of capitalism, America stands as a wealthy society that can afford to provide a sound financial future for generations to come. I want more details on your ideal "free market," Hilary.

On December 5, 2007, Clinton unveiled her plan to ameliorate the effects of the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis on homeowners. She called for a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures, in order that lenders and mortgage servicers have sufficient time to get through paperwork complications and an expected high volume of troubled borrowers without having to shut out the lights, and a five-year freeze on the interest rates of adjustable rate mortgages, so that borrowers would not get slammed by expected 30, 40 or more percent increases in monthly payments due to the effects of the crisis and of unwise initial borrowing decisions.

Impressive.

How I feel about Hilary on cash, money, cheddar, stack bundles (not the rapper, but RIP to him), paper, etc...

I'm not convinced. However, she shows potential. In this day and age, considering the political crosshairs that she's in, that's not good enough.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Well, I object to the the fact that electing Hilary would be putting another Clinton into office when we've already had two Bushes. I don't think establishing that sort of trend is very democratic. By merit of these connections, voting for Hilary would be the opposite of voting for change, which is what we all so desire, is it not? I fully think that a Democrat needs take the presidency for the next term given the disaster what was Bush. I think that would give the party a very big advantage as well. Given that a lot of people vote based on party affiliation alone, things are looking pretty favorable in the general election. Now, if people's dissatisfaction is enough to pull their opposition through, then we're going to need to have a good candidate as that opposition. This isn't Hilary. Lots of people have had an irrational hate of Hilary for a long time. Hilary isn't change. I don't even know how she's pulling "35 years of experience" out of her ass; being married to experience is not experience. She voted to go to war in Iraq. She's being guilty of gross demagoguery on too many occasions. And while many people are afraid because she's soooo liberal, I've actually studied her views and wouldn't consider her nearly liberal enough to get my vote.

[brooklyneast05]

as of now it's just expressing opinions/taking advantage of visibility before moving, when some contrasting views break out then i'll move it there.


i agree with fully thinking that a democrat needs to be in office next. i'm for obama, but would settle with hillary over a republican. i do think she has potential, and i disagree with the tendency for people to constantly call her a bitch. i think too often opinionated women get the term "bitch" while their male peers get credit for having strong opinions, standing their ground, ect. i disagree with her beating everyone over the head with the claim of being so experienced. i think she has experience, but not to the extent she is playing it up. if you're gonna be voting democrat then i think we can pretty much throw experience out the window anyway because neither her or obama really have that much.

[*Steven*]

I hate her attitude. She's arrogant as all hell. She lost a primary and was like

"WAHHHHHHH!" "I need to listen to the people more! I'm out of touch, I will make an effort to listen to America now!"

She wins, and back to arrogant. Not only that, she tells people what they want to hear. She jumps on the bandwagon of the majority just so people like her more, not because she feels that way. I'll make a bet that once she gets into office she'll carry through with maybe 20% of what she said she would, and the other 80% will be her personal agenda.

[Elba]

I love her! She's going to be at my school tomorrow, but I have to work :( I just agree with all of her ideas and the change she is going to work for.

[fameONE]

I love her! She's going to be at my school tomorrow, but I have to work :( I just agree with all of her ideas and the change she is going to work for.

You agree with all of her ideas? Are you aware of how foolish you sound?

Clinton says she will attempt to ease tensions with countries like Iran and Syria through direct engagement and Clinton has said that if elected, she would "immediately open a diplomatic track" with Iran.

Sounds like Bush 1 and OPERATION DESERT STORM to me.

[*Steven*]

I love her! She's going to be at my school tomorrow, but I have to work :( I just agree with all of her ideas and the change she is going to work for.

[Elba]

You agree with all of her ideas? Are you aware of how foolish you sound?
Sounds like Bush 1 and OPERATION DESERT STORM to me.

Why am I foolish?

[fameONE]

Why am I foolish?

You look foolish by making an unsupported statement. And you look even more foolish for not understanding why I asked if you realized that sounded foolish to begin with. Sheesh.

[Elba]

Mmmkay. Didn't know this was a debate. Baibai

[*Steven*]

watcha think about her?

don't just say you hate her, or think she's a bitch, blah blah blah. i wanna know WHY you like or dislike her.

[Elba]

I did say why; I didn't "support" my why. Her stand on immigration and health care are just a couple things I agree with.

[*Steven*]

yeah f**k the immigrants (illegal ones)! Based on her track record, however, I doubt she'll stick to her platform.

LET'S GIVE ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DRIVERS LICENSES

[Simba]

By merit of these connections, voting for Hilary would be the opposite of voting for change, which is what we all so desire, is it not?

I just heard somebody just asked Hilary a similar question on the Democratic Debates on CNN.




Too bad I was too stupid to listen to the response.

[Elba]

LET'S GIVE ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DRIVERS LICENSES

Why are you quoting Obama?

[fameONE]

Mmmkay. Didn't know this was a debate. Baibai

Take care. Come back in 4 years, we'll discuss our possible conflict with North Korea and their Naval capabilities, mmk? We'll do brunch. ^_^

[*Steven*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0uHybfmmY

[Elba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0uHybfmmY

This video is so long. Did she say she is for illegal immigrants getting DLs? Because I am watching the debate right now, and she said she is against it. I watched the video--I don't see her saying that; she said it makes sense for the governor (or whoever) to want that.

[fameONE]

This video is so long. Did she say she is for illegal immigrants getting DLs? Because I am watching the debate right now, and she said she is against it. I watched the video--I don't see her saying that; she said it makes sense for the governor (or whoever) to want that.

Clinton flip-flopping on her political stances is soooooo yesterday. She's changed her ways.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

^haha

[Elba]

Oh, because no one else flip-flops?

You're being a dick. f**k you.

Reason for edit: posts merged

[Simba]

[fameONE]

You're being a dick. f**k you.

Listen to Miles Davis' Kind of Blue. Its an outstanding album that'll really calm you down. This thread and the dissection of a particular candidate's flaws, is not that serious.

[brooklyneast05]

moved to debate

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Oh, because no one else flip-flops?

Flip-flopping played a pretty large part in Kerry's loss in the last election.

Don't vote Romney. Good god. Or do vote for him because he can probably get his ass kicked by a Democrat. Or vote for him in hopes that he'll revoke to his pre-presidential campaign stances. I wouldn't count on that one, though. Whatevs

Way to move that while I was posting, too.

[DoubleJ]

I personally don't have a problem with Mrs. Clinton. Do I want her to win the nomination? No. I just feel as though she is one that can't seem to connect with the audience long enough. I think that she is hiding behind her husbands shadow in a since. Whenever I see her talk, she can only hold my attention for like the first two or three minutes of the speech. There is something about Obama, where you want to see him speak, because it is almost as if he is literally talking to YOU. I think that he can connect with a broader range of audiences, and as a lot of analysts point out, he is one of the only candidates in recent memory, that can really connect with the younger generation this well. I do like her, but I just don't feel that sense of genuineness with her. What really hurt her in my book, was the whole crying thing. That was a big no no for me.

[dyu]

if i could vote (not old enough), i wouldn't vote for her anyways because im a republican and i dont agree with some of the things that democrats believe in

on the other hand, if i had a choice only between hillary and obama, i would go with hillary. not because obama is black, but because he doesnt have enough experience and hillary seems more ready for the position of president.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Whereas you are in 100% agreement with everything the Republicans say?

[*Steven*]

if i could vote (not old enough), i wouldn't vote for her anyways because im a republican and i dont agree with some of the things that democrats believe in

on the other hand, if i had a choice only between hillary and obama, i would go with hillary. not because obama is black, but because he doesnt have enough experience and hillary seems more ready for the position of president.

Did you know Hilary condemns businesses for seeking profit? Do we really want this woman in charge of our country's financial situation? SORRY AMERICA WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR PROFIT OUR DEFICIT IS GOING TO DOUBLE! ALSO WE'RE GOING TO REPEAL TAX CUTS BECAUSE WE NEED THAT MONEY, EVEN THOUGH OUR GDP IS INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY ANNUALLY!

[Mikael]

I don't watch the polls or news on presidential whatnot... ever. However, I'm liking the idea of Hillary Clinton. Everyone knows that if Hillary wins, Bills gonna be like "hehe, yeah honey, move aside, let me show you how its done". And I like how Bill had it done.

[fameONE]

I don't watch the polls or news on presidential whatnot... ever. However, I'm liking the idea of Hillary Clinton. Everyone knows that if Hillary wins, Bills gonna be like "hehe, yeah honey, move aside, let me show you how its done". And I like how Bill had it done.

[brooklyneast05]

I don't watch the polls or news on presidential whatnot... ever. However, I'm liking the idea of Hillary Clinton. Everyone knows that if Hillary wins, Bills gonna be like "hehe, yeah honey, move aside, let me show you how its done". And I like how Bill had it done.

hehehehehehe

get out of my topic or read the f**king rules of it

if you don't know anything about her, her stances, ect...don't reply here please. i really don't give a shit about what you've assumed from looking at her or the fact she's a woman. i want opinions from people who actually have a clue.

[*Steven*]

I don't watch the polls or news on presidential whatnot... ever. However, I'm liking the idea of Hillary Clinton. Everyone knows that if Hillary wins, Bills gonna be like "hehe, yeah honey, move aside, let me show you how its done". And I like how Bill had it done.

If she's elected Bill's gonna be in the white house once again w/ nothing to do this time. IMO, he'll be chasing all the interns.

[Mikael]

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[brooklyneast05]

that wasn't really all that clever

why are you quoting all that? i didn't claim you to be breaking the createblog rules. i said get out of my topic or read the rules of it. the word "it" referring to my topic.

i don't care if you see a bright future or not. i wanna know WHY people feel the way they do about hillary clinton in this topic. that's the whole point you're missing here, and the whole reason for me saying that if you don't know what you're talking about or have a real opinion then don't post here.

[Mikael]

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[brooklyneast05]

good job. that was about 567 times better than your first two replies.

[Mikael]

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[*paperplane*]

Then why not Edwards? He preaches of his hope for the middle class on every occasion, whereas that isn't Hilary's emphasis as much.

To be honest, your view of Billary seems pretty naive. It's not based on what you think Hilary is capable of doing...at all. This isn't a loophole to get Bill a third term as president, nor should we want it to be. For one, how is he supposed to just magically set things the way they were? Times change, and he's not some kind of political super genius. Plus his presidency produced really crap things like Don't Ask Don't Tell and The Defense of Marriage Act. But regardless, I should find that sort of balance in power in which it's shifting between two families pretty disturbing.

[Mikael]

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[NoSex]

Also, didn't know that we were allowed to create our own rules when starting topics. I was under the impression that the forum general rules were above all. I apologize. I'll make sure that from now on my perspective is what people want to hear.

You know, it's awesome having the Debate thread on the front page now and all, but... Wait, I wouldn't want to break a rule here! If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all. I guess I'll say nothing.

[DoubleJ]

Oh gosh, she was crying again yesterday.

[JokeInsideJoke]

i dont like her.
or anything she stands for

[brooklyneast05]

i dont like her.
or anything she stands for

you don't like one single thing she stands for?

[coconutter]

Tell me this. What do you not like that she stand for? Many people say that, "oh she's a democrat, and i don't like what the democrats stand for". First off, Hilary is not the democratic party, nor is she Bill Clinton. Although Bill will play a huge role in the election, it's not fair to sinlge her out because of that.

What do you not like about HER?

[B-NOX]

In any country, prison is where society sends it's failures
But in this country, society itself is failing.

[brooklyneast05]

In any country, prison is where society sends it's failures
But in this country, society itself is failing.

don't spam my thread

[*Steven*]

i dont like her.
or anything she stands for

Things of Hilary I like.

Supported Bush-backed immigration reform legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology

Supports expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research

Oh and she supports Abortion.

Kay so not much I like about her.

[Mikael]

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[YaGurlSukedMe2SL...]

I also heard that she dislikes Asians or something like that

If that were true, there wouldn't be a 3:1 ratio of Hilary to Obama that asians have voted on.

[Simba]

If that were true, there wouldn't be a 3:1 ratio of Hilary to Obama that asians have voted on.

Or it could be the Asians' natural fear of blacks kicking in...

[*Steven*]

Or it could be the Asians' natural fear of blacks kicking in...

Fact.

[YaGurlSukedMe2SL...]

Or it could be the Asians' natural fear of blacks kicking in...

No

[kryogenix]

Hilary Clinton is a giant turd. She is not a New Yorker and will never be. It's funny as hell how all the f****ts who loved her for Bill now hate their guts since Obama is running against her.

Like Obama, she shouldn't even have ever become a senator. She only won because Giuliani had to drop out because his nutsack was exploding cause his wife divorced him, and the blacks didn't like him because the cops shot some black guy during his campaign. Yeah, that's right, that bitch jumped on the race issue to get her elected, and now the race issue is biting her in the ass. Payback is a bitch

Rick Lazio? Who the f**k is Rick Lazio? Look at this shit eating grin



That's why she won. Experience? What experience? Being married to the President doesn't make you experienced. Don't give me this experience bullshit. What a crock of shit.

What a piece of shit!

[pandamonium]

That's why she won. Experience? What experience? Being married to the President doesn't make you experienced. Don't give me this experience bullshit. What a crock of shit.

What a piece of shit!

EXACTLYYYY!! thank goodness someone else thinks this. what experience has hilary had? I heard this about three times already. I am not completely against hilary i am just wondering why people say that shes experienced.

[fameONE]

When people refer to the "experience" that Hillary Clinton has; many will view her marriage to Bill as a valid claim. She was already involved in a political arena, and with her husband balls deep in interns, err, um, international affairs, Hillary was by his side. Its like 'on the job' training, if you will.

I still don't like the bitch.

[Teesa]

^Yeah, Hillary has had experience in the White House, but most of her efforts failed (like with health care, etc.)

I like her, but I am more for Obama. I know candidates change views, but I am very turned off by the fact that she supported the Iraq war in the beginning, whereas Obama has always been against it. Also, even though universal health care is a good idea, I really don't think it is possible and that Obama's plan for making health care affordable is more realistic.

[fagget]

Well, I object to the the fact that electing Hilary would be putting another Clinton into office when we've already had two Bushes. I don't think establishing that sort of trend is very democratic. By merit of these connections, voting for Hilary would be the opposite of voting for change, which is what we all so desire, is it not? I fully think that a Democrat needs take the presidency for the next term given the disaster what was Bush. I think that would give the party a very big advantage as well. Given that a lot of people vote based on party affiliation alone, things are looking pretty favorable in the general election. Now, if people's dissatisfaction is enough to pull their opposition through, then we're going to need to have a good candidate as that opposition. This isn't Hilary. Lots of people have had an irrational hate of Hilary for a long time. Hilary isn't change. I don't even know how she's pulling "35 years of experience" out of her ass; being married to experience is not experience. She voted to go to war in Iraq. She's being guilty of gross demagoguery on too many occasions. And while many people are afraid because she's soooo liberal, I've actually studied her views and wouldn't consider her nearly liberal enough to get my vote.

On a very nonpersonal note, people don't want change, they think they do, but they don't. The vast majority of people, even in their personal life find that they think of themselves as more tolerant than they actually are.

In regards to Hillary, I disagree with you. There's been much talk about how it would be the same when Bill was pres. Not really. People neglect to realize that she, honestly, is her own person. Has always been a political activist and has really, far more so than any other first lady been very active politics, since her time in college. I think she has enough mind of her own to assess things the way that she wants to assess her. With that said though, I didn't vote for her, because one) I can't vote, but even if I can, I wouldn't.

I don't think that a Republican would win again. Just because of the public backlash against this establishment. I think that people who have no affiliation with politics can feel the stigma.

But I mean, a 15-year-olds mere opinion would seem silly and illegitimate. Correct?

[*paperplane*]

In regards to Hillary, I disagree with you. There's been much talk about how it would be the same when Bill was pres. Not really. People neglect to realize that she, honestly, is her own person. Has always been a political activist and has really, far more so than any other first lady been very active politics, since her time in college. I think she has enough mind of her own to assess things the way that she wants to assess her. With that said though, I didn't vote for her, because one) I can't vote, but even if I can, I wouldn't.

But I mean, a 15-year-olds mere opinion would seem silly and illegitimate. Correct?

Um, only because you completely missed my point.

My objection has nothing to do with a belief a vote for Hilary would be a vote for Bill; on the contrary, I cannot understand people who are voting for her sheerly because they essentially want him back. Political dynasties, I feel, have no place in a democracy (ignoring the fact that our government isn't technically democratic in the first place).

[YaGurlSukedMe2SL...]

Political dynasties, I feel, have no place in a democracy (ignoring the fact that our government isn't technically democratic in the first place).

Dynasty or not, shouldn't affect how the president is elected. If every Clinton and Bush were qualified to do the job(which is proven wrong, just my opinion), I wouldn't mind living in a so called "dynasty"

[fameONE]

Dynasty or not, shouldn't affect how the president is elected. If every Clinton and Bush were qualified to do the job(which is proven wrong, just my opinion), I wouldn't mind living in a so called "dynasty"

Feudal Japan, FTW.

[*paperplane*]

Dynasty or not, shouldn't affect how the president is elected. If every Clinton and Bush were qualified to do the job(which is proven wrong, just my opinion), I wouldn't mind living in a so called "dynasty"

Feudal Japan, FTW.

hahaha

[YaGurlSukedMe2SL...]

Feudal Japan, FTW.

Thats cause they didn't have TOM CRUISE!!

Oh and I retract my statement of Hilary winning, I shall wait for Texas.

[illriginal]

Plain and simple... her views/agenda seem very communistic. I'm down with Socialism but I'm sure the hell not falling for her fake ass accents and her communistic views. Over all... I'm going with Obama... I just hope he'll be a president for the people and not for the government.