God, Real or Fake? Options

[DeadlyKitten]

When it comes down to it, science can only go so far. There is a God. There is a greater power that started the growth of a seed, the heart beat of a lion, and the love inside your soul. Loook deep inside yourself then look at the stars. It's hard not to believe.

*Not everyone is a believer, and I accept that*

-Don't take me posting this as a bash tword people that don't believe. A few of my best friends don't believe in God and thats fine.

I posted this to see how people felt on the subject. I put how I felt. I want to know how you feel

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

I`m an atheist, so. Sorry, no God for me.

[dustbunny]

sorry, quite easy to believe that the same reason a lion's heart beats is the same reason why my heart beats. and i'm sure you've learned how a seed grows in science. and love does not exist inside my soul.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

^

[dustbunny]

I also float in water, thus...I BE A WITCH MOTHAf**kAS.

[DeadlyKitten]

Thats wicked awsome

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

I also float in water, thus...I BE A WITCH MOTHAf**kAS.

haha, Betty. Ily.

[Joss-eh-lime]

real real real real real real real.
Gods real.

[NoSex]

When it comes down to it, science can only go so far. There is a God. There is a greater power that started the growth of a seed, the heart beat of a lion, and the love inside your soul. Loook deep inside yourself then look at the stars. It's hard not to believe.

real real real real real real real.
Gods real.

I can't wait for the day when you people get your asses kicked in grade school for this shit.

Oh, and science is the farthest we can go in any direction in relation to etymology - build your god model and I'll put it through rigorous testing, let you know what I can find out. Otherwise, you're not only a blind man in the dark, you're a f**king stupid blind man in the dark (I'm talking border-line retarded).

[jaeman]

What're you talking about? Bill Nye the Science Guy is our God.

[Tung]

[JCLore]

God is Real...no doubt about it
i can prove it

[fameONE]

Search topics in the Debate forums before you make one here. You know how you shouldn't talk about politics and religion at the dinner table? Well, in a sense, The Lounge is the dinner table in that regard.

[NoSex]

Search topics in the Debate forums before you make one here. You know how you shouldn't talk about politics and religion at the dinner table? Well, in a sense, The Lounge is the dinner table in that regard.

I will punch a hole through the dinner table and f**k it.

[fameONE]

I will punch a hole through the dinner table and f**k it.

That made no sense.

[JCLore]

I will punch a hole through the dinner table and f**k it.

i guess hes not getting any

[*Steven*]

God is dead, and no one cares, if there is a hell, I'll see you there.

[NoSex]

That made no sense.

None whatsoever?

i guess hes not getting any

I just like a splintered cock.

[livwho]

This should really be in Debate.

I'm not discussing my religion here; too many conflicts. But, I'm Christian.

[Luna5]

If you believe he's real or not.. I guess you'll find out when your dead.

[karmakiller]

There's been topics on this already. If you really want some serious replies, go read one of the other hundreds of topics on this. Religion is dying, in my opinion. I'm not scared to face the truth, and I'm not religious. I don't think many people care about this topic

[Joss-eh-lime]

I can't wait for the day when you people get your asses kicked in grade school for this shit.

what? I've been open about my faith since elementary school and I'm in high school now. never been beat up, or even talked down to about it.

[DeadlyKitten]

Same here. People seem to be nicer to me if anything.

[karmakiller]

I, personally, have no problem with people who are religious. And by religious I don't mean that they live their life however they want to and go to church on Sunday. Sunday Christians don't count in this case. But if you're going to try to push your religion on me, I don't want to hear it. I don't go around pushing my religious ideas, or lack of, on people. I think it's disrespectful when people try to push their religion on other people.

There's this Christian girl who sat at our lunch table one year, and she decided to tell all of us how wrong we were that we've drank alcohol before. Or that some of us decided not to wait until marriage to have sex. I don't think anyone is in any place to judge other people's lives.

I know this makes me sound like I have a negative view on religion, but I really don't. If you believe [a] god is real, than he is real, because he exsists in your thoughts and ideas. A lot of religious people have great will power, imo.

[Tung]

[DeadlyKitten]

I agree with that. I'm more spiritual then anything. I don't like when people push God onto other people either. My aunt sometimes goes over board with her belifs and it makes me feel like shit so i know what your saying. Beliefs are a persons own fairy tale that they hope is real. Whether I'm right for believing in God or wrong no one has the right to say I'm stupid for my choice and visa versa to a non-believer.

[JCLore]

Im Pentecostal
or a "Crazy Penty"
in my friends words
i believe in most of all that christians do
but im more relaxed about it

like for example
my grandma utterly hates gay ppl
but i dont mind

[NoSex]

what? I've been open about my faith since elementary school and I'm in high school now. never been beat up, or even talked down to about it.

No, you don't understand. I'm saying I can't wait for a future when you're a minority and people dislike you for your beliefs. I can't wait till everyone thinks you're crazy for thinking some dude walked on water, healed the sick, and came back from the dead. I can't wait till the world grows up just a little bit.

[demolished]

Science is not greater than God. God is greater than everything and will not reveal himself.

Just think of that. There will always be a controversial debate over this piece of shit. Let it be. There's always going to be some lame Christian forcing people into their beliefs. At the same time, there's always atheist who will not tolerant illogical cases.

[DeadlyKitten]

same here. my grandma's cathlic but hates blacks. he's an idiot. lol just because you believe in something doesnt make you a saint or better then anyone else. i believe in God, and i dont think anythings wrong with being gay...but yeah, like i said i'm more spiritual then religious. I can relate to christians the most but i don't clame to be one. I'm in my own religion. I believe in God, in Love, and Equality! BOO YAA! lol

[DeadlyKitten]

Also, like ive said before...God is a fantasy until proven. Theres nothing wrong believing theres a Santa Clause is there? If you choose to believe great, if you dont great. I only made this debate to see how people felt on the subject...not to bash each other.

[Tung]

Science is not greater than God. God is greater than everything and will not reveal himself.

Just think of that. There will always be a controversial debate over this piece of shit. Let it be. There's always going to be some lame Christian forcing people into their beliefs. At the same time, there's always atheist who will not tolerant illogical cases.

Sorry but God > Science is not true. God is not greater than everything. If you ask me there are things science can prove that "God" can't, and there are things science can't prove, yet religion have a very strong argument as to why things are why there are. So with this in mind, Science actually have facts, but God and religion are all about faith and beliefs, but have no guarantee facts to them. I'm going to go ahead and throw it out there that God = Science. Both are neutral imo.

[DeadlyKitten]

I believe in God and evolution. I guess thats what your gettin at right?

[Call911Quick]

I believe in God.

Close thread please, there's no actual debate going on...

[Spirited Away]

"... he does not hear- and if he heard he still would not know how to help. Worst of all: he seems incapable of clear communication: is he unclear?"- Nietzsche on God the 'father'.

I re-read "Beyond Good and Evil" (or tried to) last night and stopped at that. Funny.

[monster]

Sorry but God > Science is not true. God is not greater than everything. If you ask me there are things science can prove that "God" can't, and there are things science can't prove, yet religion have a very strong argument as to why things are why there are. So with this in mind, Science actually have facts, but God and religion are all about faith and beliefs, but have no guarantee facts to them. I'm going to go ahead and throw it out there that God = Science. Both are neutral imo.

so where is your evidence on evolution? where is the missing link for the proof of macroevolution?

atheists must also take evolution on guess what: faith.

Also, like ive said before...God is a fantasy until proven. Theres nothing wrong believing theres a Santa Clause is there? If you choose to believe great, if you dont great. I only made this debate to see how people felt on the subject...not to bash each other.

okay, same with the post above. where is your fantasy of evolution?

No, you don't understand. I'm saying I can't wait for a future when you're a minority and people dislike you for your beliefs. I can't wait till everyone thinks you're crazy for thinking some dude walked on water, healed the sick, and came back from the dead. I can't wait till the world grows up just a little bit.

Won't happen, buddy. Religion is growing, and Christianity is stronger than ever.

As the "great" Nietzsche said; "God is Dead." But God is not dead.

Nietzsche is dead.

I agree with that. I'm more spiritual then anything. I don't like when people push God onto other people either. My aunt sometimes goes over board with her belifs and it makes me feel like shit so i know what your saying. Beliefs are a persons own fairy tale that they hope is real. Whether I'm right for believing in God or wrong no one has the right to say I'm stupid for my choice and visa versa to a non-believer.

There is a reason why Christians push their religions unto others. Because of damnation. We don't want anyone to be damned for all eternity. It's just the process in which we do it that is pretty wrong.

Reason for edit: Posts Merged. There's really no need to make 4 posts in a row. -karmakiller

[Spirited Away]

As the "great" Nietzsche said; "God is Dead." But God is not dead.

Nietzsche is dead.

Like the man said, God sure is unclear about his being alive. Dead or not, that made sense to me


The face that Christians push Christianity onto other is also a reason why people will be damned. They learn about Christianity, but it doesn't make sense to them so they choose not to follow it. This will damn them. They were better off not knowing.

[NoSex]

so where is your evidence on evolution? where is the missing link for the proof of macroevolution?

If you read any of the literature you might know. The amount of available transitional fossils are in exactly the quantity that scientists had predicted them to be in. They are numerous and convincing (the observation of transitional fossils between the land massed whale to the sea worthy mammal is most impressive [1]). But, in the end, your request is not only ignorant, it's also highly deceptive. What are you going to demand next? A transition between a transition (might as well start discussing Zeno's paradox).

Not to mention, believing in "micro-evolution" (which I assume you do), but not believing in "macro-evolution" is equivalent to believing in squares but not rectangles. Macro-evolution is merely the accumulation of micro-evolution over the course of many generations.

atheists must also take evolution on guess what: faith.

What? What backwards f**king place are you from? Evolution is a scientific theory supported by and found in hard evidence, reason, logic, and rigorous observation and experimentation. Where belief in religion requires no scrutiny whatsoever and lays claim to no evidence of any sort but fallacious and mistaken philosophical whimsy, Evolution has been one of the most disputed and contended theories of all biology and yet it persists and confirms its existence in each biological principle, new or old : genetics, genealogy, anatomy, physiology, medicine, taxonomy, etc. etc. etc.

There is enough peer reviewed literature and evidence on evolutionary biology to fill an entire over-sized library and that's after half of it had already been burned by insecure psychotics.

Won't happen, buddy. Religion is growing, and Christianity is stronger than ever.

As the "great" Nietzsche said; "God is Dead." But God is not dead.

1. Atheism is growing too, a lot, and without half the indoctrination. I mean, how proud can you be of the fact that churches are just enormous and elaborate intellectual rape machines - you have to realize kids believe in Santa Clause and The Easter Bunny after they've already been convinced by their parents and their clergymen that God made them.

2. Nietzsche meant that God is dead to men. It isn't relevant to whether or not a literal god exists or not. He meant to say that the idea of a god no longer has the same influence as he once had, and, in a sense, Nietzsche was very much correct. The archaic vengeful gods of the past were most certainly replaced by more loving and caring gods which would later be replaced again and again.

3. You suck.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

^Wow. I love you for that.

[monster]

If you read any of the literature you might know. The amount of available transitional fossils are in exactly the quantity that scientists had predicted them to be in. They are numerous and convincing (the observation of transitional fossils between the land massed whale to the sea worthy mammal is most impressive [1]). But, in the end, your request is not only ignorant, it's also highly deceptive. What are you going to demand next? A transition between a transition (might as well start discussing Zeno's paradox).

Not to mention, believing in "micro-evolution" (which I assume you do), but not believing in "macro-evolution" is equivalent to believing in squares but not rectangles. Macro-evolution is merely the accumulation of micro-evolution over the course of many generations.
What? What backwards f**king place are you from? Evolution is a scientific theory supported by and found in hard evidence, reason, logic, and rigorous observation and experimentation. Where belief in religion requires no scrutiny whatsoever and lays claim to no evidence of any sort but fallacious and mistaken philosophical whimsy, Evolution has been one of the most disputed and contended theories of all biology and yet it persists and confirms its existence in each biological principle, new or old : genetics, genealogy, anatomy, physiology, medicine, taxonomy, etc. etc. etc.

There is enough peer reviewed literature and evidence on evolutionary biology to fill an entire over-sized library and that's after half of it had already been burned by insecure psychotics.
1. Atheism is growing too, a lot, and without half the indoctrination. I mean, how proud can you be of the fact that churches are just enormous and elaborate intellectual rape machines - you have to realize kids believe in Santa Clause and The Bunny Rabbit after they've already been convinced by their parents and their clergymen that God made them.

2. Nietzsche meant that God is dead to men. It isn't relevant to whether or not a literal god exists or not. He meant to say that the idea of a god no longer has the same influence as he once had, and, in a sense, Nietzsche was very much correct. The archaic vengeful gods of the past were most certainly replaced by more loving and caring gods which would later be replaced again and again.

3. You suck.

2. I realize Nietzsche meant that God was dead to men. Exactly why I said religion is growing. Please, actually read what I'm typing to you instead of trying to be an elitist jerk-off.

Also, me believing that micro-evolution exists while believing that macro-evolution does not exist doesn't any way contradict each other.

I still have yet to see hard evidence for macro-evolution. Instead of telling me there's thousands and thousands of books that have evolution proven, then please do give me links to those books. If evolution was truly proven 100%, then we wouldn't have this debate, then.

[Joss-eh-lime]

Sorry but God > Science is not true. God is not greater than everything.

actually, God is greater than everything, because he created everything. Science is just our way of trying to understand what He created, but we never fully will.

[Tung]

actually, God is greater than everything, because he created everything. Science is just our way of trying to understand what He created, but we never fully will.

So who is God again?

I respect religion, I really do. I just think science makes more sense than religion do. I mean all religion ever say to explain things is, like "It's God's doing", or it's just faith. I'm a person who want explanations that makes sense, and I believe in that over "having" faith.

I'm a biology major, and I've taken many Anthropology classes, and the stuff they have discovered about evolution are amazing.

[Call911Quick]

See, the obvious trend her is that Christians try to use reason, science, and philosophy to disprove... guess what? Reason, science, and philosophy.

God is irrational. Emotion is irrational. Love is irrational. These things can't be scientifically explained, so don't try to do it.

Evolution is rational. Cars are rational. Apples falling is rational. These things can't be scientifically disproven, so don't try.

See, aethists attack Christianity with reason and science; something they have a greater understanding of.

Some of you people are trying to defend Christianity with reason and science, which is great and all, but don't talk about what you don't know, because you will simply be setting NoSex and other more "interested" aethists an opening to show the ignorance of Christians.

Christians are perceived as invasive, closed-minded, and generally inconsiderate jerks. Don't strengthen the stereotype. You inform people about God. They don't want God, great for them. Leave them alone now. You've done what you're told to do, and whether people decided to accept Jesus or not is up to them.

Quit trying to defend Christianity and shove God down these people's throats. They obviously are set on aethism, and there really is nothing you can do except make a bigger ass out of yourself trying to convince people otherwise.

[JCLore]

So who is God again?

I respect religion, I really do. I just think science makes more sense than religion do. I mean all religion ever say to explain things is, like "It's God's doing", or it's just faith. I'm a person who want explanations that makes sense, and I believe in that over "having" faith.

I'm a biology major, and I've taken many Anthropology classes, and the stuff they have discovered about evolution are amazing.

what kinda things do you want explanations for??

[Call911Quick]

^ Did you not read my post? You can't explain or prove God by rational means, just like you can't disprove evolution through irrational means (faith, etc.).

[JCLore]

^ Did you not read my post? You can't explain or prove God by rational means, just like you can't disprove evolution through irrational means (faith, etc.).

yes you can
but its up to the individual
whether they believe you or not

[Call911Quick]

"Believe" isn't the right word. For example, if I say "Aliens exist" ,and you disagree, then you are not "believing" what I say. If I say "Aliens exist because I have an unidentified object in my backyard", what I'm saying is TRUE, it IS in fact unidentified, but it doesn't mean aliens exist. You can't logically explain something that is in essence illogical.

You CAN'T prove Christianity through science and reason, trust me, I've tried.

[NoSex]

2. I realize Nietzsche meant that God was dead to men. Exactly why I said religion is growing. Please, actually read what I'm typing to you instead of trying to be an elitist jerk-off.

But, see, you miss the point: Nietzsche is concerned, greatly, with perspectivism. This is because he realizes the power of belief and is concerned greatly with The Will to Power, or man's desire to impose those powerful beliefs on others. The issue is that with more and more modern society we have scientific, philosophical, psychological, and sociological paradigm shifts. Because of these new discoveries, our society effectively changes. We no longer believe that mentally retarded individuals are cursed by demons, instead, we can begin to explain their maladies and treat them more appropriate (as opposed to praying over them or burning them). We no longer believe the world to be the center of the universe and thus have been given enormous perspective as our "true" place in this life.

Essentially, society has greatly shifted from a world which was dominated and controlled by outside and unexplained forces - our technology and new sciences have been able disspell a great majority of the myths that once were propagated on this pale blue dot. Most of any of the gods that had ever lived, Osiris, Zeus, Dionysus, The Sun, are dead. They no longer effect our lives or our society in such a forceful manner. The same is most certainly true for the Juedo-Christian Gods - at least in the sense that they have changed greatly from what they once were, even since during Nietzsche's time. The reality is that even if God is believed in, his influence is of an entirely different nature - most people aren't going to deny medicine because of "god's will." So, I propose, that Nietzsche was far more correct than you ever put on.

Also, me believing that micro-evolution exists while believing that macro-evolution does not exist doesn't any way contradict each other.

Sure, it isn't a direct contradiction. However, what you don't seem to realize is that these two concepts just represent a gradation of one more central idea - evolutionary theory. Micoevolutionary change is merely in specious allele variation and transformation while macroevolutionary change is the actual speciation after the accumulation of allele transformation through mutation, genetic drift, hybridization, etc. etc. They are both the same thing, essentially. They both move from the same exact principles. They both operate on exactly the same mechanisms. It's just that, one is going much further than the other and all you need to believe in the one is time. The accumulation of small evolutionary changes increases the genetic different in a population, once the genetic difference reaches a point of enough variation an animal with speciate and "macroevolve" when, really, all that is happening is one other "microevolution" being stack on top of a few generations worth of other "microevolutions." Are you beginning to see why these terms are exactly popular in the biological fields? They aren't exactly meaningfully divided - they don't actually represent anything fundamentally different.

The only place you find these terms used so frequently are from the mouth of babes - creationists love these terms. It allows them to more easily deceive themselves as well as their parishes. But, really, it just makes them look that much more ignorant and or deceptive. Sure, it isn't exactly a contradiction, but it's against all observation, study, and evidence, to suggest that macroevolution simply hasn't occurred, especially when you have no issue with micoevolutionary change.

I still have yet to see hard evidence for macro-evolution. Instead of telling me there's thousands and thousands of books that have evolution proven, then please do give me links to those books. If evolution was truly proven 100%, then we wouldn't have this debate, then.

1. Well, actually, macro-evolution can been proven a lot more easily than by reflection of micro-evolution. Try the fact that we have witnesses dozens and dozens of instances of speciation (or macro-evolution), in both the laboratory and in nature, in the last century [1]. Hard enough for you?

2. Go to a f**king library, it isn't that hard. All you're demonstrating to me is that you never had the honest curiosity to actually investigate the issue seriously yourself.

3. I wonder why you don't believe in it? Think about it. f**k, there are still people who don't believe that the Earth is spherical or that we revolve around the Sun. But, I suspect that your religious faith gives you something, emotionally, that this science just can't offer you, and as Lemuel K. Washburn once said, "most men would kill the truth if truth would kill their religion." I plead psychological selection of data. Clearly you haven't read the literature, and, if you're as dispassionate as you would like us to think, maybe if you did take some time to read a f**king book, we wouldn't even be here right now.

God is irrational. Emotion is irrational. Love is irrational. These things can't be scientifically explained, so don't try to do it.

Evolution is rational. Cars are rational. Apples falling is irrational. These things can't be scientifically disproven, so don't try.

You're really not helping any cause here.

[Call911Quick]

There's no point. I'm not supporting Christianity because it's pointless, nobody's going to be convinced here. I'm not supporting evolution because I don't believe in it. I am Christian, after all.

[*Steven*]

I'm not supporting Christianity because it's pointless

/sign

[monster]

So who is God again?

I respect religion, I really do. I just think science makes more sense than religion do. I mean all religion ever say to explain things is, like "It's God's doing", or it's just faith. I'm a person who want explanations that makes sense, and I believe in that over "having" faith.

I'm a biology major, and I've taken many Anthropology classes, and the stuff they have discovered about evolution are amazing.

lol, this is what happens when you let a biology major out of the lab.


nosex, i'll refer back to you later; i'm brushing my teeth.

[JCLore]

"Believe" isn't the right word. For example, if I say "Aliens exist" ,and you disagree, then you are not "believing" what I say. If I say "Aliens exist because I have an unidentified object in my backyard", what I'm saying is TRUE, it IS in fact unidentified, but it doesn't mean aliens exist. You can't logically explain something that is in essence illogical.

You CAN'T prove Christianity through science and reason, trust me, I've tried.

I dont believe you
It might be different but I have explained christianity and God to many ppl
and debated the same thing with them
and i've won, and they are all christians now
i Admitt i cant prove to you there is a God right here right now
but you cant disprove he exist either either
Why people chose Science over God, i dont know
science can be tested and proved wrong

[Tung]

I dont believe you
It might be different but I have explained christianity and God to many ppl
and debated the same thing with them
and i've won, and they are all christians now
i Admitt i cant prove to you there is a God right here right now
but you cant disprove he exist either either
Why people chose Science over God, i dont know
science can be tested and proved wrong

I rather believe in something that is willing to look for the answers, and test as many hypothesis as possible, than believing in something that is all about faith.

[JCLore]

I rather believe in something that is willing to look for the answers, and test as many hypothesis as possible, than believing in something that is all about faith.

do you believe what you read in the papers or hear on TV??
how do we know if all that happens to the Movie stars is true??
Your putting faith in what these strangers say on TV or in the paper

[Tung]

do you believe what you read in the papers or hear on TV??
how do we know if all that happens to the Movie stars is true??
Your putting faith in what these strangers say on TV or in the paper

Are you like retarded? Quote me where I say I believe in movies and TV? Are you stupid? Seriously. I can't take you seriously because you look like a 10 year old dumbass, or something that came out of my ass. I'm talking about science here pal. How science have actually been searching for years to find this mystery of how life came to be, and as the day goes by, we are collecting more knowledge and data through things such as the fossil record, DNA, etc. Some of the hypothetis science has claimed, may be wrong, but that doesn't stop them from trying to find the answer. What's the answer for religion? "Oh it's God's doing" Give me some information about this so call God of which you speak please.

[JCLore]

dude
im talking about faith
ppl put thier faith in anything these days
TV, News, the whole lot
i wasnt talking just to you
i was talking about everyone
they say they believe things when theres no proof
you believe what you hear
and then they say Christians are crazy
for putting faith where theres no proof

anyway
heres a question
do you believe in evolution?

[Tung]

dude
im talking about faith
ppl put thier faith in anything these days
TV, News, the whole lot
i wasnt talking just to you
i was talking about everyone
they say they believe things when theres no proof
you believe what you hear
and then they say Christians are crazy
for putting faith where theres no proof

anyway
heres a question
do you believe in evolution?

Way to not read my post clearly. This is my last post I'm going to respond to you, cuz you're a complete douche who doesn't know jack shit. I rather debate and argue with Monster, as he actually have valid reasons.

So how is having Christian people tell you stuff true? It's pretty much the exact shit when TV tell you stuff. What's the differences? Religion is one of the most powerful thing today and people tend to believe what these Christian people say b/c of their stature and status. Excuse me, but religion is basically the same thing as the things you see on TV in terms of believing what people say.

Yes. I believe in evolution.

[JCLore]

Way to not read my post clearly. This is my last post I'm going to respond to you, cuz you're a complete douche who doesn't know jack shit. I rather debate and argue with Monster, as he actually have valid reasons.

So how is having Christian people tell you stuff true? It's pretty much the exact shit when TV tell you stuff. What's the differences? Religion is one of the most powerful thing today and people tend to believe what these Christian people say b/c of their stature and status. Excuse me, but religion is basically the same thing as the things you see on TV in terms of believing what people say.

Yes. I believe in evolution.

THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU PPL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHRISTIANS!!
Your beleiveing the bull you hear on TV
and then turning around and trying to put christians down for believing in GOD

im making a fool of myself here arent i??


Moving on
if you believe in Evolution...you believe we came from goo
you believe that billions of years ago non-living micro-organisms just came to life
christians believe we came from God
we believe God breathed into us and gave us life
Am i right??

[Tung]

Nate, I don't even want to reply this this idiot JClore anymore, at least Monster had reasoning and his grammar was actually good, and had strong points. Nate finish this fool for me.

[brooklyneast05]

Am i right??

No.

[JCLore]

Nate, I don't even want to reply this this idiot JClore anymore, at least Monster had reasoning and his grammar was actually good, and had strong points. Nate finish this fool for me.

then why'd you come back??
i thought you were done

you know
your not very intimidating
even though ppl tell me you are

No.

Why??

[brooklyneast05]

Why??

because i don't think anything you've said is right

[Tung]

then why'd you come back??
i thought you were done

you know
your not very intimidating
even though ppl tell me you are
Why??

lol @ me being intimidating. Who are these "people" who told you that?

Reason for edit: deleted your double post sir - Jc

[JCLore]

because i don't think anything you've said is right

then what exactly do you think IS right??
Evolution??
God??

[brooklyneast05]

then what exactly do you think IS right??
Evolution??
God??

evolution

[JCLore]

evolution

so what do you believe about evolution??
whats your definition??

[JCLore]

lol @ me being intimidating. Who are these "people" who told you that?

i'd tell you
but that just ruins it for them


if you want to debate something
your supposed to continue and debate the topic
not put ppl down when you dont know what to put

[brooklyneast05]

so what do you believe about evolution??
whats your definition??

"any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next"

[JCLore]

and the origin of man??

[Spirited Away]

because i don't think anything you've said is right

LOL.

lol @ me being intimidating. Who are these "people" who told you that?

He meant God told him, Tung, get with it. =) hahah.

[brooklyneast05]

and the origin of man??

evolution...i already said that



or are you saying you wanna talk about abiogenesis

[karmakiller]

Yup this is me not contributing....

Nate, you never cease to amaze me.

[JCLore]

evolution...

but doesn't that mean that we were monkeys??
and then even further down the time line...We developed from Micro-organisms??
"Spontaneous Generation" must then have occured somewhere in there??

[brooklyneast05]

i edited and asked if you were saying you wanted to talk about abiogenesis.

yeah, i think we "came from monkeys."

[JCLore]

yea i guess
i mean if you dont believe in God...
then how do you beleive man came about??

sorry if i havn't exactly been clear

[brooklyneast05]

i think it was spontaneous

[JCLore]

so we did originate from nothing??

[brooklyneast05]

i guess? your questions are so simple and broad it's like impossible to know what your asking.

i think there was once no life on earth and now there is

[JCLore]

i guess? your questions are so simple and broad it's like impossible to know what your asking.

i think there was once no life on earth and now there is

ok
interesting

im sorry...but its hard for me to believe we came from nothin

yea im not the best at explaining things
thats why i keep making a fool of myself

[brooklyneast05]

well you think we came from dust that god breathed life into. that's not extremely easy to believe for some of us either.


you = dust
me = abiogenesis

[JCLore]

well you think we came from dust that god breathed life into. that's not extremely easy to believe for some of us either.

i guess?
but at least theres something behind it
i mean with Spontaneous Generation there was absolutely nothing and all of a sudden things start "living"
where as christianity there was already something there...God

no...it goes like this

you = nothing
me = God

[MissHygienic]

Debating this is like debating with little children whether or not Santa Claus exists. That some supernatural being is there to be merciful and hospitable to humanity.

[DoubleJ]

I always love to read debates like this, because you get to see people's true ignorance show.

[JCLore]

^as i said before
i cant prove to you God exists
but you cant disprove it either
i can how ever through reasoning
make you think about your beliefs


actually after preaching to everyone
i was gonna go on to say that....

"One day Millions of people will disappear causing world-wide panic and disorder. There will then be a world-wide Earthquake killing millions. Demons will come forth and meteorites and comets will hit earth killing even more people. All this in the bible"

...but im not

[Tung]

i'd tell you
but that just ruins it for them


if you want to debate something
your supposed to continue and debate the topic
not put ppl down when you dont know what to put

Believe me, I have been debating. You on the other hand have been a total idiot with your ignorant remarks. First off, before you get on the Debate forum, have a lesson of Grammar 101. You're, not your anyone? Also, your arguments that evolution came from nothing? I believe in the Big Bang theory. Different microorganisms from the meteorites hit Earth, and that's when the new cellular organisms started developing. Over a 4.5 billion year lifespan, we first have the first organisms the bacteria, gradually evolving into to cell life forms living in water that actually moved on it's own. I'm not going to go in full detail of how life started with the evolution theory, but know that evolution has a stronger case than religion do. Don't say evolution came from nothing. Ever heard of natural selection?

You do know the bible is bullshit right? Who wrote the bible? God?

Edit- Yeah that's right. Go google "who wrote the bible" and come back here for a reply right? I think it's best you know more about your religion before you even try to defend it dipshit.

[DoubleJ]

^as i said before
i cant prove to you God exists
but you cant disprove it either
i can how ever through reasoning
make you think about your beliefs
actually after preaching to everyone
i was gonna go on to say that....

"One day Millions of people will disappear causing world-wide panic and disorder. There will then be a world-wide Earthquake killing millions. Demons will come forth and meteorites and comets will hit earth killing even more people. All this in the bible"

...but im not

I wasn't directing that towards you lol. It was just a general statement.

[JCLore]

Believe me, I have been debating. You on the other hand have been a total idiot with your ignorant remarks. First off, before you get on the Debate forum, have a lesson of Grammar 101. You're, not your anyone? Also, your arguments that evolution came from nothing? I believe in the Big Bang theory. Different microorganisms from the meteorites hit Earth, and that's when the new cellular organisms started developing. Over a 4.5 billion year lifespan, we first have the first organisms the bacteria, gradually evolving into to cell life forms living in water that actually moved on it's own. I'm not going to go in full detail of how life started with the evolution theory, but know that evolution has a stronger case than religion do. Don't say evolution came from nothing. Ever heard of natural selection?

You do know the bible is bullshit right? Who wrote the bible? God?

you think im the one who's been making idiot remarks??
im not the one calling the other an idiot every single post
without even bothering to reply to the question or debate the topic at hand
im not saying evolution came from nothing...you are
i dont believe in evolution

Why dont you point out my grammer errors Mr.Grammer 101??

the bible was written by many ppl and then translated into many languages...i'd tell you exactly who but whats the point
and the bible is just as good as any history book

I wasn't directing that towards you lol. It was just a general statement.

sorry lol
it sounded rude at the time

[Tung]

Why dont you point out my grammer errors Mr.Grammer 101??

You're, not your anyone?

If you're going to try to "debate" with me, please at least my post and what I have to say before you reply. Thanks.

the bible was written by many ppl and then translated into many languages...i'd tell you but whats the point
and the bible is just as good as any history book
sorry lol
it sounded rude at the time

So you're saying the bible is pretty much a History Book? Have anyone ever taught you that a history book have many flaws such as bias opinions, and false statements derived from their bias?

[brooklyneast05]

Why dont you point out my grammer errors Mr.Grammer 101??

it's spelled grammar =/
careful on that one
people like to jump all over others about grammar here for some reason

[DoubleJ]

it's spelled grammar =/
careful on that one
people like to jump all over others about grammar here for some reason

You are guilty of that one kind sir! J.K. JC! For some reason I feel like bothering you tonight. Oh by the by Tung, we have seen JC's face already.

[Tung]

You mean the picture in his old sig with his stunnah shades? I can barely make it out though, the eyes are the most important man!

[brooklyneast05]

when do i jump on people for grammar javonn!??!?

rarely since i'm no good at it. content means more in my opinion. tung's posts are winning on that one too though i think. i'm biased though



edit: oh i see you said JK. tonight's a bad night to bother me i think, class from 9:30 - 8:30 at night. f**kingahaflwejfaekw

[DoubleJ]

You mean the picture in his old sig with his stunnah shades? I can barely make it out though, the eyes are the most important man!

WTF! Tung LMAO! Are you, dare I say it, being.........

when do i jump on people for grammar javonn!??!?

rarely since i'm no good at it. content means more in my opinion. tung's posts are winning on that one too though i think. i'm biased though

Jeez JCI was just trying to be funny LMAO! Yes I did double post mods.

Reason for edit: posts merged cause i'm such a good mod - Jc

[JCLore]

it's spelled grammar =/
careful on that one
people like to jump all over others about grammar here for some reason

well i am dyslexic
i know i spelt that wrong

If you're going to try to "debate" with me, please at least my post and what I have to say before you reply.

sorry that doesnt make any sense to me
"please at least my posts"

look...this is it
i cant be bothered to argue with you anymore
as i said before
i cant prove to you im right
but i know im right
you cant know for sure im wrong about God and Christianity
unless you give it a try
i used to feel the same about God and about Christians as you do

[Spirited Away]

Just add "read" between "at least" and "my". Come on, it's not that hard.

edit: read the context is all.

well i am dyslexic
i know i spelt that wrong
sorry that doesnt make any sense to me
"please at least my posts"

look...this is it
i cant be bothered to argue with you anymore
as i said before
i cant prove to you im right
but i know im right
you cant know for sure im wrong about God and Christianity
unless you give it a try
i used to feel the same about God and about Christians as you do

Also, I thought you debate all the time and that you convinced a bunch of people to be Christians... were those people so easily swayed?

[Tung]

I know people usually don't like when a post is just a quote, but this one really sums up my views on religion. It is by the master, George Carlin. Enjoy.

But folks, I have to tell you, in the bullshit department a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. Because when it comes to comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe--in awe!!--of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: RELIGION. No contest.

Religion--easily--has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it: religion has actually convinced people--many of them adults--that there's an invisible man who lives in the sky and watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And who has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.

And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to remain and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry, forever and ever, till the end of time. But he loves you!

He loves you, and he needs money! He always needs money. he's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, but somehow... he just can't handle money. Religion takes in billions of dollars, pays no taxes, and somehow always needs a little more. now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy shit!"

Anyways, since you mention history books, I assume you know a lot about our history correct? Hey, if you read history, you'll realize that "God" is one of the leading causes of death...has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews, all taking turns killing each other because God told them it was a good idea.

JClore, you can continue and keep believing in this so call "God" and keep praying to "God". If I'm going to pray to anything, it'll be the Sun. Unlike "God", I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no bullshit.

I'm tired of "debating" with a 12 year old. Steven or Nate finish it off.

[DoubleJ]

Because I am such a good mod!

JC I give you the honorary



of the day award!

[JCLore]

Also, I thought you debate all the time and that you convinced a bunch of people to be Christians... were those people so easily swayed?

it was in person so yea it was a bit easier
plus i wasn't gettin jumped on for every mistake i made
from what i know already about Tung, which is little
actually reminds me of what they were like before

Tung, your not part Greek are you??
Coz they worship the sun
but you know what else they do
they sleep with other men for fun

[Tung]

it was in person so yea it was a bit easier
plus i wasn't gettin jumped on for every mistake i made
from what i know already about Tung, which is little
actually reminds me of what they were like before
Tung, your not part Greek are you??
Coz they worship the sun
but you know what else they do
they sleep with other men for fun

Can you like post normally, instead of writing your post out like a poem-like format?

If you want to know about my religious background, I have never been religious. Why? I don't believe in bullshit. I think religion is a form of slavery. There's those people who are free thinkers. Maybe Agnostics maybe. People who don't necessarily believe in God, but believe that there is some kind of supreme being up in the sky?

Religion can never reform mankind, because religion is slavery.

Hmm you seem to know something about the Sun then I assume? You do know Christianity is a parody that branch off from astrology? The Christian religion is mimic on the worship of the sun, in which Jesus Christ is in place as the worshiper instead of the sun. People pay Jesus adoration, which was originally the sun.

Christianity is a joke.

[NoSex]

it was in person so yea it was a bit easier

Yeah, I've damned a lot of souls in my day, probably a f**k lot more than you've "saved." But, that's not really important.

Read these two posts and then we can begin to even consider talking:
Post 1
Post 2

Alright, first off, from reading your posts, it's quite obvious that you have no f**king idea what you're talking about. I suspect that your extent of knowledge concerning evolutionary biology is limited to high school lectures (where someone's dick was definitely stuck in your ear), a few instances of peer conversation (kids are very stupid), listening in on big boy conversations (adults are also very stupid), and probably a few apologetic creationists. Ok, read a f**king book. Read some literature that actually intelligently supports evolution - go to the library or start searching the net. f**k, you can start with On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection by Charles Darwin.

My point here is that you lack the fundamental knowledge to even begin to have a meaningful discussion here, and, I'm tired of playing teacher. Until you can demonstrate a level of even moderate competency, I'm not so sure you're worth the time or effort.