Smoking Ban Options

[livwho]

In Kansas, 27 different cities statewide have banned smoking from restaurants claiming they're trying to "protect the employee's". Somehow, I don't buy it. I believe it's the business owners decision on whether or not smoking is allowed in their facility.

Do you think this is right?

[fameONE]

Shit is foul.

In Japan, neearly everywhere you go, you're able to smoke. Newer facilities have designated rooms with the appropriate ventilation too catch the smoke. Those facilities don't smell like a pool hall and everyone's happy. This just proves to me how ass-backwards things are in the states right now.

[DoubleJ]

Kansas is so far behind. They did that up here years ago. They are actually trying to stop people from doing it while they are driving.

[fameONE]

Kansas is so far behind. They did that up here years ago. They are actually trying to stop people from doing it while they are driving.

New York is on that Nazi tip when it comes to sin tax, too. Anything that is a possible "quality of life" crime, they're cutting down on.

[livwho]

Kansas is so far behind. They did that up here years ago. They are actually trying to stop people from doing it while they are driving.

Dang. I've nothing against smokers as long as I don't have to smell it. >____<

And driving? That's nuts.

[MissFits]

In Kansas, 27 different cities statewide have banned smoking from restaurants claiming they're trying to "protect the employee's". Somehow, I don't buy it. I believe it's the business owners decision on whether or not smoking is allowed in their facility.

Do you think this is right?

They just started this like a year and a half ago in the whole State of Ohio. It's such bullshit.
Not only does it hurt the people that own the bars (a few people in my extended family own bars and it is KILLING their business), it hurts people that work in bars like musicians since the bars are losing money they can't afford to pay the people that work there(my fiances dad is an active musician with a good reputation around here, but he can't even afford to feed himself). Since where I live in Ohio is so close to Kentucky people are going there to spend their money because they want the choice to smoke. It is hurting Cincinnatis economy.

This is like the prohabition back in the day, hopefully people will start to realize that they are taking the rights of business owners and the people of this country and will do something about it.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

Dang. I've nothing against smokers as long as I don't have to smell it. >____<

And driving? That's nuts.

that IS nuts.

and i agree, as long as i cant smell/inhale it..im good.

[ChangeofHeart]

Tie down the makers of the bill to a chair, and burn a cigar into their chest. Mark them with shame.

[livwho]

I hate living in Kansas.

Also, if Hilary Clinton is elected President, I'm moving to London. Done deal.

[lkajsfklajskds]

Tie down the makers of the bill to a chair, and burn a cigar into their chest. Mark them with shame.

lol

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

I hate living in Kansas.

Also, if Hilary Clinton is elected President, I'm moving to London. Done deal.

ROFL.

i`d LOVE to live in Kansas.

1. so i could pretend im clark kent.
2. so i can drive and not be afraid of actually hitting someone.

[tokyo-rose]

I think that there should be designated smoking and non-smoking areas, but smoking shouldn't be banned entirely from bars.

[brooklyneast05]

i think smoking should be banned from every public place on the face of the earth.


not from driving though, if you wanna sit in a box and breathe in nasty chemicals that will kill you then that sounds great with me.

[DoubleJ]

i think smoking should be banned from every public place on the face of the earth.
not from driving though, if you wanna sit in a box and breathe in nasty chemicals that will kill you then that sounds great with me.

I totally agree with what you said. I will admit that I used to smoke socially, but I stopped now that I am close to becoming a firefighter. I think that people who don't smoke, shouldn't have to be subjected to those who do.

[LoveToMySilas]

I think that there should be designated smoking and non-smoking areas, but smoking shouldn't be banned entirely from bars.

I agree. I mean, I'm usually agaisnt smoking but people should be allowed to smoke if they want to, ya know?

You cant just ban it completely...as much as I'd love that.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

I hate living in Kansas.

Also, if Hilary Clinton is elected President, I'm moving to London. Done deal.

That's completely illogical. Not to mention irrelevant?


Yeah, smoking was banning in my county a while ago, and it is where I'm going to school too. I'm not going to lie, though, it's pretty nice. I didn't really object to restaurants having smoking sections, or anything like that, and I do think this is unfair restriction of rights. However, something can be said for sparing other people's health in public indoor places. I'd forgotten that smoking indoors was still in Atlanta until I want to a miserably smoky concert last year. Granted I was there for 5 hours, but it got to the point where I couldn't enjoy the band I'd actually gone to see and didn't stick around for the encore because it was so hard to breath (and it's not like I'm closed-minded and haven't smoked and am not around smokers all the time). If that's going to be the case, they should at least have the courtesy to sell water for under $3. But anyway, at a lot of shows here I find that people sneak cigarettes inside anyway, and that's fine with me because then it isn't overwhelming. I think it should be more a discouragement than something is strongly enforced, which it seems to be in environments in which you're not too likely to get caught. I don't know it that makes sense, I got distracted by my hair smelling odd.

So basically, I'm pretty torn. I don't like the infringement of smokers' rights, but I don't think people should be allow to inflict harm on unwilling people either (not the best phrasing there, but I'd rather not argue over my diction, thanks).

[brooklyneast05]

i duno. i don't really give a shit about smokers or their "rights" to be honest. i don't think they should have any right to inflict any harm on others. they should just quit whining and go smoke away their lungs/pay checks in private out of the way of everyone else.

[MissFits]

i think smoking should be banned from every public place on the face of the earth.
not from driving though, if you wanna sit in a box and breathe in nasty chemicals that will kill you then that sounds great with me.

So you think business owners don't have the right to choose whether or not people can smoke in their establishments? That's like saying you can't smoke in your house when you have guests over.

[livwho]

So you think business owners don't have the right to choose whether or not people can smoke in their establishments? That's like saying you can't smoke in your house when you have guests over.

See, that's my point. I don't necessarily agree with smoking, but since it's legal in the US for those eighteen and over, I don't think they can ban it. It's basically taking over the peoples freedom of choice.
Concentrating it to one designated area (i.e. a SMOKING SECTION) would suffice.

[MissFits]

See, that's my point. I don't necessarily agree with smoking, but since it's legal in the US for those eighteen and over, I don't think they can ban it. It's basically taking over the peoples freedom of choice.
Concentrating it to one designated area (i.e. a SMOKING SECTION) would suffice.

I think it should be the business owners choice whether or not they even have that. I think the only reason that law passed here is because it was worded super crazy.

[Call911Quick]

The ONLY reason why smoking ISN'T banned is because it's essential to the economy. It's WORSE than Pot, yes MJ is banned. Why? It's not that part of the economy. Ban cigarettes and tons of people lose jobs. Though seeing as how if you manufacture cigarettes and you have no soul, you really don't deserve a pay.

Smoking kills. It's bad. You might as well do pot. It's not FORCEFULLY addicted, you don't have to de-tox if you want to quit, and it doesn't give you cancer and lungs that look like shit, literally.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Pot is very much a part of the economy. It's the US's biggest cash crop. The government feels they benefit from having it unlegalized.

[*Steven*]

regulated/taxed pot would be very beneficial to the govt, imo

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

I would think so too, but from what I read there's a fear of imports.

[MissFits]

The ONLY reason why smoking ISN'T banned is because it's essential to the economy. It's WORSE than Pot, yes MJ is banned. Why? It's not that part of the economy. Ban cigarettes and tons of people lose jobs. Though seeing as how if you manufacture cigarettes and you have no soul, you really don't deserve a pay.

Smoking kills. It's bad. You might as well do pot. It's not FORCEFULLY addicted, you don't have to de-tox if you want to quit, and it doesn't give you cancer and lungs that look like shit, literally.

I would manufacture cigarettes and I most definitely have a soul.
I think your views are flawed, my friend.

[Joss-eh-lime]

this makes perfect sense b/c second hand smoke is unhealthy.

[MissFits]

this makes perfect sense b/c second hand smoke is unhealthy.

You know what else is unhealthy? Air! The air we breath is very polluted. We tested the air in a classroom at my school once and it was all kinds of nasty.

You might as well say no one is aloud to breath, drive, run factories, fart, or allow volcanoes to exist.

[*Steven*]

You know what else is unhealthy? Air! The air we breath is very polluted. We tested the air in a classroom at my school once and it was all kinds of nasty.

You might as well say no one is aloud to breath, drive, run factories, fart, or allow volcanoes to exist.

What a stupid response.

[MissFits]

Why? Because it doesn't jive with your way of thinking?

[brooklyneast05]

because breathing in air =/= breathing in smoke regardless of whether the air is perfectly pure or not.

[Joss-eh-lime]

You know what else is unhealthy? Air! The air we breath is very polluted. We tested the air in a classroom at my school once and it was all kinds of nasty.

You might as well say no one is aloud to breath, drive, run factories, fart, or allow volcanoes to exist.

adding that volcano thing just topped off an already lame response.

air is polluted. but, second hand smoke + air = even more pollution

its about doing whats healthy for the people around you.

[dadoe]

i think it's totally up to the business owner whether they want people smoking in their restaurants. heck, i wouldn't. i've only been to one or two places where it was still okay to smoke inside a restaurant. most places in socal have already banned it, i guess.

[dadoe]

um, cigarettes are drugs. the air we breathe may be quite polluted, too, but we can't really help but breathe it. and, not to mention, that cigarettes also play a part in polluting the air. and peoples lungs. and, it's naasty. since when did people ever start to thing smoking made them look cool? ew. i just don't get it. anyways. smoking cigarettes is a deliberate thing. you know you're putting that stuff inside you, know you're probably going to die from it, know that others around you die even faster from second-hand smoke, etc. air pollution, well that's an evil that others have created for us, much like second-hand smoke. we don't choose it.

[jaeman]

Shit is foul.

In Japan, neearly everywhere you go, you're able to smoke. Newer facilities have designated rooms with the appropriate ventilation too catch the smoke. Those facilities don't smell like a pool hall and everyone's happy. This just proves to me how ass-backwards things are in the states right now.

They put a new smoking ban into effect around the Yokosuka area not too long ago. The smoking ban is effective for the area right outside Yokosuka base and goes as far as the far end of Blue Street. The only places smoking is allowed within that perimeter is within the Pachinko parlors and certain restaurants like Bamiyan.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

um, cigarettes are drugs. the air we breathe may be quite polluted, too, but we can't really help but breathe it. and, not to mention, that cigarettes also play a part in polluting the air. and peoples lungs. and, it's naasty. since when did people ever start to thing smoking made them look cool? ew. i just don't get it. anyways. smoking cigarettes is a deliberate thing. you know you're putting that stuff inside you, know you're probably going to die from it, know that others around you die even faster from second-hand smoke, etc. air pollution, well that's an evil that others have created for us, much like second-hand smoke. we don't choose it.

Cigarettes containing drugs is not exactly relevant to pollution.

[Luna5]

I don't smoke but I think at least the bars should let people still smoke but they changed that and it's hurting some people's businesses which is a shame.

[MissFits]

adding that volcano thing just topped off an already lame response.

air is polluted. but, second hand smoke + air = even more pollution

its about doing whats healthy for the people around you.

Really? I could have sworn the United states was about freedom. If business owners want people to smoke in their bar then people should be able to smoke in their bar. Period. If you don't like it don't go there.

[dannyordinary]

I would love a world wide smoking band, where you would have to go into these ventilated rooms to smoke, so nobody is affected by second hand smoke.

But then again I want a one world government... oh well

[*Steven*]

I would love a world wide smoking band, where you would have to go into these ventilated rooms to smoke, so nobody is affected by second hand smoke.

But then again I want a one world government... oh well

A smoking band, huh.

[datass]

They banned smoking in malls, restaurants and working offices here and I personally think it's a lot better for nonsmokers.

I don't think it's right for nonsmokers to be breathing in the smoke and causing harm to their health while they're having a nice dinner with some friends.

As for smoking and nonsmoking areas, that's bullshit. Unless there is some sort of smoking room or chamber, if anyone draws out a line between a smoking and nonsmoking area that is completely useless. The smoke will still get to you!

I hate how parks here have some corner on the side drawn out and lots of people stand and smoke there because it's the 'smoking area', while everyone who walk past can breath in all the shit.

[dannyordinary]

A smoking band, huh.

lols, shut up, i meant a ban, hehe, i feel silly.

but yes, i would love one.

[karmakiller]

They banned smoking here a loooong time ago. I agree with it. Even resturants with a designated smoking area smells like smoke. Smoke travels in the air, so it doesn't really matter where you sit unless there's a wall (or something) between you and the smoker. I have nothing against smokers, but that doesn't give them the right to put my health at a risk. I don't think that smoking should be banned in bars. That's part of the atmosphere of a bar. People who say that smokers have a right that by banning smoking in certian places takes away their rights, I disagree. You have a right to run around naked if you want to, but if you do it in certian public places you're going to get in trouble for indecent exposure. There's plenty of other things that you can do, but if you do them in certian places you'll get in trouble for. It's not that hard to step outside to have a smoke. There's enough things in this world that are already eating away at my health, and it's nice to be able to go somewhere that's smoke free. Resturants would be smart to ban smoking, because after they banned it here places got more families and more business.

[*Steven*]

They banned smoking here a loooong time ago. I agree with it. Even resturants with a designated smoking area smells like smoke. Smoke travels in the air, so it doesn't really matter where you sit unless there's a wall (or something) between you and the smoker. I have nothing against smokers, but that doesn't give them the right to put my health at a risk. I don't think that smoking should be banned in bars. That's part of the atmosphere of a bar. People who say that smokers have a right that by banning smoking in certian places takes away their rights, I disagree. You have a right to run around naked if you want to, but if you do it in certian public places you're going to get in trouble for indecent exposure. There's plenty of other things that you can do, but if you do them in certian places you'll get in trouble for. It's not that hard to step outside to have a smoke. There's enough things in this world that are already eating away at my health, and it's nice to be able to go somewhere that's smoke free. Resturants would be smart to ban smoking, because after they banned it here places got more families and more business.

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