HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE Rating Options

[xfrodobagginsx]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

[Elba]

There is no heaven, so blah to you.

[brooklyneast05]

There is no heaven, so blah to you.

[1angel3]

I probably go to hell for watching two girls one cup AND two girls one finger.

[brooklyneast05]

^lmao

[1angel3]

^lmao

Ha ha yeah. I'm scared for life. I'm sure hell can't be as bad as those videos.

[Amaranthus]

I probably go to hell for watching two girls one cup AND two girls one finger.

Nastiest Video Ever.

[1angel3]

^ I agree

To answer the question. I don't need direction. Just follow the light. If you get lost, that's your problem.

[Amaranthus]

I've had so many theological convsersations with believers, atheists, agnostics that it's not even funny. So I figure I'm goin to Heaven anyways.

[xtwitchyx]

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to get to heaven if you just followed that big bright light that looks like a train at the end of a tunnel?

[brooklyneast05]

I've had so many theological convsersations with believers, atheists, agnostics that it's not even funny. So I figure I'm goin to Heaven anyways.

because u had conversations?

[Gryffindor-Girl]

This has got to be one of the most interesting topics I have ever seen.

[brooklyneast05]

^why?

[1angel3]

This has got to be one of the most interesting topics I have ever seen.

You need to go to the debate forum

[RAWRstephishere]

So when I die, I have to say that.

But during my life now, I can do whatever I want. Great.

[Gryffindor-Girl]

^why?

I am not as religions as some people think so some of this is slightly new to me.

You need to go to the debate forum

Ok I will

So when I die, I have to say that.

But during my life now, I can do whatever I want. Great.

LMAO

[Elba]

This topic is stupid, imo.

[*jeanna*]

lol lame first post for you.


go figure. he's banned on most of the sites.

seriously. gtfo, turn off your computer and stop posting on 12 pages worth of google searched sites. thank you.

lol why do you go on every site like this bodybuilding one posting the same religious things..

and this site

LOL


Sex: Male
Age: 36

i hope not.

[1angel3]

^ Ha ha

Man this topic isn't that important.

[karmakiller]

Well, if there's no heaven we'll all be wasting our time.

[*jeanna*]

^ Ha ha

Man this topic isn't that important.

i googled him and 12 pages worth? god hates annoying people so he's going to hell.

[xfrodobagginsx]

This has got to be one of the most interesting topics I have ever seen.

Did you pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart?

[monster]

Did you pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart?

A prayer won't get you into Heaven.

[xfrodobagginsx]

It will if it's from your heart to God, like the one in this first post. It sums up everything that the bible says about how to be saved.

[Elba]

Please don't come in here and try to shove the bible down our throats.

[monster]

It will if it's from your heart to God, like the one in this first post. It sums up everything that the bible says about how to be saved.

You are not God. This does NOT guarantee getting into Heaven. The Bible says that false prophets have a special place reserved for them in Hell, and will be thrown away along with Lucifer and his demons.

Have fun.

[xfrodobagginsx]

So, you believe what the bible says about false prophets, but not what it says about salvation? Who is the false prophet here?

[monster]

So, you believe what the bible says about false prophets, but not what it says about salvation? Who is the false prophet here?

If everyone went to Heaven based on saying just a prayer, American Christianity wouldn't be at stake, here.

You're honestly bringing people away from God by spamming stupid, idiotic threads. Do you honestly think this will bring someone to God?

[*jeanna*]

So, you believe what the bible says about false prophets, but not what it says about salvation? Who is the false prophet here?

thank you jesus! i love u! peace and love

[S-Majere]

i googled him and 12 pages worth? god hates annoying people so he's going to hell.

Damn but we should write a Createblog Bible.

Thou shalt not Spam.
Thou shalt not post inanities.
Thou shalt not use Frodo's name in vain.
Thou shalt not post anything too taxing in The Lounge.

[EddieV]

When you get up there for judgement, you lie.

[arcanum]

Please don't come in here and try to shove the bible down our throats.

*grabs bible* ELBA! OPEN YOUR MOUTH! EAT IT!
Im going to shove it down your throat!

[Elba]

OMG, KARA, STOP IT! STOP IT!

[xfrodobagginsx]

If everyone went to Heaven based on saying just a prayer, American Christianity wouldn't be at stake, here.

You're honestly bringing people away from God by spamming stupid, idiotic threads. Do you honestly think this will bring someone to God?

And you need to go read your bible and see what it actually says about salvation. It's only through Jesus Christ and what He did for you one the cross to pay for your sins. The bible says that if you confess with your mouth Jesus and believe it in your heart you will be saved. It says for Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Isn't that what the prayer does if done from the heart?

Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.

[arcanum]

OMG, KARA, STOP IT! STOP IT!

NO, YOU MUST RECEIVE IT!!! AND YOU SHALL BE SAAAAAVED!

[NoSex]

This topic sucks.
Jesus is a shit bag and I do not like very much.
I mean, woe is me.

[clarity]

Hm, this kinda sounds like my friend. Always shoving the bible down my throat, etc. He claims its his duty to transfer people into Christians, meh. Frankly, I don't believe in god.

[Spirited Away]

And you need to go read your bible and see what it actually says about salvation. It's only through Jesus Christ and what He did for you one the cross to pay for your sins. The bible says that if you confess with your mouth Jesus and believe it in your heart you will be saved. It says for Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Isn't that what the prayer does if done from the heart?

Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.

While having faith in Jesus Christ alone is good enough to be saved, but you're missing a huge chunk of the Bible, my friend. There are steps to follow after accepting Jesus. A person cannot say he/she accepts Jesus and continue to commit sins consciously because he/she would be turning away God's grace. SALVATION IS ABOUT CONTINUING YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST (not just through a single prayer).

That's what Podo meant. It seems to me that Podo makes more sense than you in this.

[Sandraaa]

This has got to be a joke.

[monster]

And you need to go read your bible and see what it actually says about salvation. It's only through Jesus Christ and what He did for you one the cross to pay for your sins. The bible says that if you confess with your mouth Jesus and believe it in your heart you will be saved. It says for Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Isn't that what the prayer does if done from the heart?

Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.

Not all who cry "Jesus, Jesus" will enter the gates of Heaven.

[*jeanna*]

Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.

you know masturbating is a sin? i bet you were masturbating 10 seconds ago.

[Sandraaa]

How is masturbating a sin?

[*jeanna*]

How is masturbating a sin?

they tie you up in Mormonism

[xfrodobagginsx]

While having faith in Jesus Christ alone is good enough to be saved, but you're missing a huge chunk of the Bible, my friend. There are steps to follow after accepting Jesus. A person cannot say he/she accepts Jesus and continue to commit sins consciously because he/she would be turning away God's grace. SALVATION IS ABOUT CONTINUING YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST (not just through a single prayer).

That's what Podo meant. It seems to me that Podo makes more sense than you in this.

Salvation comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ. The NATURAL result of savation is a continued relationship with Jesus Christ. The relationship doesn't save. The relationship is a natural result of salvation. You're getting things backwards and borderline adding works to salvation, and YES if you pray that prayer to God from your heart, you most certainly WILL be saved. You just blirt things out of your mouth without bible to back up what you say. Stop hindering God's work.

[*jeanna*]

Salvation comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ. The NATURAL result of savation is a continued relationship with Jesus Christ. The relationship doesn't save. The relationship is a natural result of salvation. You're getting things backwards and borderline adding works to salvation, and YES if you pray that prayer to God from your heart, you most certainly WILL be saved. You just blirt things out of your mouth without bible to back up what you say. Stop hindering God's work.

ok, go into the debate forum or go to your 127466 other sites you spammed. maybe they will be more interested in your stuff on a football forum

[*jeanna*]

Go die.

how about me? will i get into heaven though?

[hypnotique]

*grabs bible* ELBA! OPEN YOUR MOUTH! EAT IT!
Im going to shove it down your throat!

2girls1bible.com
GO GO GO GO


Please the lounge is supposed to be fun without fear of getting attacked for what people believe in.

Thats what the debate forum is for.

Anyway.
Im a bisexual catholic.
I could careless if people go around saying "GOD HATES f*gs" f**k you all.Ill wait for god to tell it to my f**king face or not,When my time comes to a end.Im not gonna listen to a bible thrower to tell me otherwise.

So for all i know i could possibly go to heaven for doing alot of good things and being bisexual or i could go to hell for just being a potty mouthed faggot.

[Spirited Away]

Salvation comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ. The NATURAL result of savation is a continued relationship with Jesus Christ. The relationship doesn't save. The relationship is a natural result of salvation. You're getting things backwards and borderline adding works to salvation, and YES if you pray that prayer to God from your heart, you most certainly WILL be saved. You just blirt things out of your mouth without bible to back up what you say. Stop hindering God's work.

Tee hee, this is almost cute, the pot calling the kettle black and all. You're the kind of Christian that shames others of the same faith. Your language alone is proof that God's grace isn't in you. Seems to me you're only good at asking God for forgiveness through prayer and not so good and keeping up your relationship with Him. He doesn't mind this onesided relationship because He loves you, but if you're going to try to "do His work", you gotta be more educated let God guide you in this rather than do your own thing and say that you're working for God. You give people the wrong impression.

You said I didn't use the Bible as evidence. Fine then =) give me a quote from the Bible where it says you can be saved by having faith ALONE. You see, you don't have evidence for your silliness either. Don't be so prideful and admit your lack of knowledge on the matter.

Of course faith is essential to salvation. We've established that by now, haven't we? In fact, the quotes you provided are just some of the ones that stress the necessity of faith. But that doesn't mean you end it with faith. Remember James 2:19:20 says "Even devils believe. Are they saved?".

Obviously, relationship with Christ isn't as "NATURAL" as you claim. It is something every man must work to achieve. We are tempted everyday and it takes WORK to let God help you through these temptations. There's nothing "NATURAL" about it because God gave us free will: the choice to accept Jesus and maintain a relationship with him, the choice to accept Jesus but not maintain the relationship, the choice to push him away completely... etc. These aren't "NATURAL" choices.

Anything else you want to say to me?

EDIT:
Oh, and one last thing. Revelation 22:18:19, "For I testify unto every man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And, if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

So, don't take the Bible OUT OF CONTEXT the way you just did, okay?

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Nov 21 2007, 08:33 PM

[icecreamisyummy]

im going 10 feet underground... yea

[Insurmountable]

Moved to debate.

[libertie]

Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.

[xfrodobagginsx]

Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.

Please. If you don't like this thread, kindly don't click on it. It's that easy. It's not being forced on you or anyone else, so please leave. It does reach people. Sorry if you don't agree. If you don't like the thread, you are free to ignore it.

[Spirited Away]

who's it reaching?

[libertie]

Unfortunately, you don't get that luxury. Sorry. This being a public forum, if someone posts a topic, people will read it, and people tend to talk about it if they don't like a topic. You as the topic starter can take all feedback, good and bad, although it appears that you aren't getting much of the positive.

I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better.

Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.

[Spirited Away]

Unfortunately, you don't get that luxury. Sorry. This being a public forum, if someone posts a topic, people will read it, and people tend to talk about it if they don't like a topic. You as the topic starter can take all feedback, good and bad, although it appears that you aren't getting much of the positive.

I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better.

Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.

My take on it is if he's free to do what he wants with this thread(preach, whatnot) others should be free to do what they want in this thread (oppose his ideals or point out his mistakes).

I'm too lazy to read long posts, too. Though I got bored this evening a wrote a long response myself.

[libertie]

Yeah but I actually read your post. xD I read about the first sentence of every other paragraph in his. It's all the same stuff I've heard a million times and I guess my heart is too hard to accept truth and make the right decision.

[NoSex]

This isn't really a debate at all.
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.

[Spirited Away]

Yeah but I actually read your post. xD I read about the first sentence of every other paragraph in his. It's all the same stuff I've heard a million times and I guess my heart is too hard to accept truth and make the right decision.

You're right. I've heard it a million times, too, and it never "reached" me. People don't understand that there are things that others are meant to accept, find out, or form beliefs on their own. But whatever floats people's boats, I guess. It does get annoying though, right?

This isn't really a debate at all.
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.

Nods.

[xfrodobagginsx]

Obviously, you still have an interest in it because you clicked on it. The Lord hasn't given up on you. The problem is that you need to be willing to open your heart to God. That's why some people can't come to God, because they aren't willing to humble themselves and open their hearts to Him.

He lumps the fearful and unbelieving in with the murderers, liars and such.


Re 21:8 (NKJV) "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

[Sandraaa]

I truly do not see how this is a debate. It's just a somewhat bizarre Christian forcing his beliefs down others' throats and is getting kicked in the butt for it.

I'll leave it here for a while and monitor the outcome. If it remains the way it is (which I'm sure it will) it'll be moved back to the el loungeo.

Anyway, don't mind me. CONTINUE KICKING HIS BUTT GUYS!!

[Spirited Away]

What's OBVIOUS is that people will click on anything and everything in this forum, even spam/advertisement. You're OBVIOUSLY new to this forum and haven't been able to figure that out, but soon enough it will be quite OBVIOUS to you.

Did you purposely ignore my rebuttal post on the second page? Well, to summarize, can you give me a quote from the Bible where it says you're saved by faith alone? The Bible isn't new to me, but what you're saying about faith being the only step in salvation is.

Anyway, happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and everyone!

[kryogenix]

Did you purposely ignore my rebuttal post on the second page? Well, to summarize, can you give me a quote from the Bible where it says you're saved by faith alone? The Bible isn't new to me, but what you're saying about faith being the only step in salvation is.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA I see the Catholic Church is starting to rub off on you.

[Spirited Away]

Yea, yea. Haha, I started going to church with my brother and his wife, plus I do some volunteer work at church anyway. Let's not forget that my cousin's a nun.

Haha, *SHHHHH* you.

[jesusisthebestth...]

i don't think he meant any harm. he wasn't trying to offend anybody. take it easy, guys. besides, i don't understand why so many people who don't believe in God even posted in this thread in the first place. if u don't believe in God, then getting to heaven is of no concern to you. so you shouldn't bash him for sharing some information with those of us who might want to know what he has to say.

and....
what's the debate?

[Spirited Away]

^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?

[1angel3]

^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?

^True

I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke. How do we know that the real way to heaven. Sounds like BS to me. It's cute to read but not taken seriously imo.

[*jeanna*]

^True

I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke.

lol exactly. it's completely one sided and the only question is "WHY R U POSTING IN HERE! UGH, GO 2 HELL!!" or.. something like that.

there are so many better religion debates

[Kontroll]

You are not God. This does NOT guarantee getting into Heaven. The Bible says that false prophets have a special place reserved for them in Hell, and will be thrown away along with Lucifer and his demons.

Have fun.

Haha. this person is not a false prophet. A prophet tells of the future. This person does not. He tells of God's word.

As for my opinion. Why should I put faith into a theological dictatorship with unfair rules and regulations, when I don't believe that socialism or communism is correct? He gives us a free will, but toys with the idea of a all knowing being. Or another example of free will is that God allows us to do as we choose, but in the end, it's either His way or go to Hell. Whose to say that Christianity is 'the' true religion? Not you. Not anyone. It's a belief that some one had about a man, who claimed to be the son of god. What, he did miracles? What miracles? What evidence is there that he actually performed miracles? It's just hear-say.

They say that you will find peace in Jesus, but in all honesty, I've never felt worse than I did while accepting the Christian faith.

Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.

In all fairness, Christians are suppost to tell others about their faith. It's on their souls if they don't tell anyone about Jesus Christ.

Posts merged - Sandra =)

[monster]

Haha. this person is not a false prophet. A prophet tells of the future. This person does not. He tells of God's word.

False prophet doesn't mean just people who tell the future. It's also for common people who twist God's word into a different meaning, or changes things.

[libertie]

In all fairness, Christians are suppost to tell others about their faith. It's on their souls if they don't tell anyone about Jesus Christ.

I was RAISED to believe this. I've heard that exact statement at least a thousand times in my lifetime. It's all good and well if that's what they believe. I personally tend to walk away when they "try their hands" at me, but whatever. What I was saying was that he wasn't being some big, bold christian witness by spreading the word over the internet. Copying and pasting something on various forums to people you'll never come in contact with does NOT show courage. IMO, it's pretty lazy, and if he thinks THAT makes up for what other christians do out on the streets, he is mistaken.

Also, what Podomaht said about false prophets is absolutely correct. A preacher who stands in front of a congregation and misleads them in any way is considered a false prophet. The same goes for anyone who is spreading false information about christianity or, as he explained, twisting the meaning of scripture.

[jesusisthebestth...]

^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?

NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.

[monster]

NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.

He's not enlightening anyone.

[xfrodobagginsx]

who's it reaching?

Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?

[libertie]

I'm sorry, and this is meant to be in no way offensive, but that statistic is absurd and there's nothing to back it up. How did you come up with this measurement?

[monster]

Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?

And you're making 9/10 people pissed off at Christianity.

[*jeanna*]

Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?

people who spams about every 387,574 boards saying the same thing is not "reaching" people. how about YOU stop spamming the internet boards with things that aren't relevant like a football forum or weight lifting site.

you're annoying people because you think shoving down "facts" down people's throats is teaching anyone anything and anyone who thinks differently is going to be condemned to hell.

this has no debate side. it's completely one sided and that's why it pisses ME off.

oh and of course you're a holy and great person while everyone else is horrible. ok.

[Spirited Away]

NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.

... a simple no is understood, thank you, I am not blind. You said he doesn't think he meant any harm nor was he trying to offend anyone. The thing is, if he didn't meant to offend, he shouldn't even be talking about religion. We were all told to avoid discussing politics or religion for a good reason: they cause conflict.

Telling people not to bash him when he has offended them, whether indirectly or directly, or if he didn't even mean it, is unrealistic. Yes, people should be a bit nicer, but considering the way he began this topic and how he's been responding, you can't really expect people to hug him and welcome him with open arms.

Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?

I never once said you forced me to read your posts, so don't worry about my feeling coerced to do anything. Rather, I read your thread because I'm inclinced to hear what you have to say about Christianity and whether it makes sense. If it doesn't, I have a personal obligation to question it or rectify it. Moving on from these topics things will eventually dull my mind. I feel like I should apologize for being "unkind" but since I don't think I did anything wrong, I will not.

To answer your question, I am offended by people who don't know everything about religion but try to act like they do. Look, I have no problem with you preaching, but that what you preach seems incomplete. That, and I just don't like your attitude (it's okay if the feeling's mutual, I will not take it against you personally).

Don't play the "you guys are ganging up on me because I'm Christian" card, please. As you can see, Podo is a Christian and made a thread in this very forum and I applaud him for it. Though I don't agree with his answers, they are true to his beliefs and they don't come off as arrogant. You are the exact opposite.

You still haven't answer to my question. Stop beating around the bush and try to make me look like a bully when I'm asking you a legitimate question. If you can't answer it, then just say it. And, if you can, please enlighten me. I love to learn about religion.

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Nov 24 2007, 12:55 AM

[monster]

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

HERESY.

How do you even know that that person will go to Heaven? Do you know God's mind? Do you know the full extent of his plan for each and every human being who reads and prays this?

No. You are wrong. You are spreading a false teaching just like the other fake preachers. Stop what you're doing now.

[*Steven*]

Just get a warlock to summon you

[NoSex]

Just get a warlock to summon you

Black magic is so metal.

[jesusisthebestth...]

He's not enlightening anyone.

i said "trying" lol

[xfrodobagginsx]

HERESY.

How do you even know that that person will go to Heaven? Do you know God's mind? Do you know the full extent of his plan for each and every human being who reads and prays this?

No. You are wrong. You are spreading a false teaching just like the other fake preachers. Stop what you're doing now.

Yes!! I DO know the mind of Christ. It's called the bible. That's how I know. Preaching what the bible says isn't heresy. You use NO scriptures to back up your false arguement and call ME a heretic? Dust off your bible and start reading the mind of Christ.

[*jeanna*]

Yes!! I DO know the mind of Christ. It's called the bible. That's how I know. Preaching what the bible says isn't heresy. You use NO scriptures to back up your false arguement and call ME a heretic? Dust off your bible and start reading the mind of Christ.

go back to a football forum and tell the word of whatever.

maybe they will be more interested

[Spirited Away]

Yes!! I DO know the mind of Christ. It's called the bible. That's how I know. Preaching what the bible says isn't heresy. You use NO scriptures to back up your false arguement and call ME a heretic? Dust off your bible and start reading the mind of Christ.

Hey you. Answer my questions, please.

Also, to claim that you know the mind of Christ. Haha, that's funny. So, what's God thinking... right now?

And, you, the authors of the Bible did not record God's mind, they recorded His Words. The Bible isn't called the Mind of God, but it is called the Word of God.

Get it right, will ya?


This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Nov 28 2007, 09:28 PM

[Uronacid]

You sound a bit over-zealous Baggins, but who am I to judge? I'm a Christian myself. I know you're trying to do what you think is best for the people on this forum, but I disagree.

I think that while you may be reaching some people, you're pushing many more away. You say that 1/10 of the people reading this post are being helped by it(This isn't factual, but I'm going with what you said), what about the other 9? What are they thinking? Is it possible they are being pushed away?

Opportunity cost Baggins, I think you have to accept that this isn't the best way to reach out to this online community. If you're helping 10% but ruining 90% in the process then you're being counterproductive. Everyone is different, different people need to be reached out to differently. I know you're trying to help, but I think that you're doing the opposite.

I think you should try a different approach. Get to know your audience before making a speech. You're methods of reaching out to this demographic aren't effective. What may have worked for one online forum won't work for all of them.

PS: I'm sure you already know this, but being a Christian is much more complicated than you say it is.

[Sandraaa]

Yes!! I DO know the mind of Christ. It's called the bible. That's how I know. Preaching what the bible says isn't heresy. You use NO scriptures to back up your false arguement and call ME a heretic? Dust off your bible and start reading the mind of Christ.

BLASPHEMY ALERT! How can you know the mind of Christ? Maybe you should dust off whatever you're doing and actually STUDY the Bible because I'm sorry but that's crap.

[Uronacid]

BLASPHEMY ALERT! How can you know the mind of Christ? Maybe you should dust off whatever you're doing and actually STUDY the Bible because I'm sorry but that's crap.

Baggins, She's right. You don't know the mind of Christ. You can only interpret the Bible to the best of your ability. You don't know the "mind" of Christ. You know the Bible, and you love Jesus by trying to follow it the best you can. No man is perfect; no man knows the mind of a perfect being.

I disagree with what you said about one little prayer to saving you from hell. You make the Christian religion sound so much more simple than it actually is. There's much more to the Christian religion than just accepting Jesus into your heart. There are a host of things that are tacked onto accepting Jesus into your heart.

John 14:15(KJV) - "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

If you accept Jesus into your heart, you have to love Him, if you have to love him you'll have to have a solid understanding of love, if you know what love is you'll want to understand Him, and if you understand Him you'll follow His teachings. Now what? Well, what is there to understand? How do I love him? What is love? What are his teachings? I could litter you with questions. Christianity, it's not as simple as you make it sound. I know you're trying to do something good here, but you have to understand that you're being very very very very... very very vague.

[*Steven*]

Forgot to mention, you can just combine a bible and a Jew's leg in a Horadric cube, right click and hit transmute.

[Uronacid]

I wish he would come back and reply to what I posted.

[StandardEdition]

This is stupid.
Don't you see that you're just teaching people the motions?
You have people beleiving that by just doing or saying these things that they can get to heaven. I don't mean to be rude and I don't wana start any fights but you're kind of putting a bad name to christianity, like others have said. You have people beleiving they can live a tarnished life without God and still go to heaven. I kno that as Christians we are here to teach people about the bible and turn them over to God but, the bible does say that if they do not want to be saved then don't push it down their throat[Ok it doesn't say those words exactly but do you get what I'm saying?]


EDIT//
and baptism and goign to church can not save you.
Just thought I might let people kno.

[Uronacid]

This is stupid.
Don't you see that you're just teaching people the motions?
You have people beleiving that by just doing or saying these things that they can get to heaven. I don't mean to be rude and I don't wana start any fights but you're kind of putting a bad name to christianity, like others have said. You have people beleiving they can live a tarnished life without God and still go to heaven. I kno that as Christians we are here to teach people about the bible and turn them over to God but, the bible does say that if they do not want to be saved then don't push it down their throat[Ok it doesn't say those words exactly but do you get what I'm saying?]
EDIT//
and baptism and goign to church can not save you.
Just thought I might let people kno.

Agreed

[xfrodobagginsx]

2Pe 1:19 We also have a more sure word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Daystar arises in your hearts,

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus

[Spirited Away]

Oh good lord, I can't believe we have a problem with defintions and context.

To finish let's cite a little more, Php 2:5-7:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men."

Interpretation: Let God guide (motivate) us as He is involved in everything we do. Strive to think like Jesus so that we may distance ourselves from sin like Jesus did.

NOT: We know what God't thinking. If we know what He's thinking, he wouldn't be God, or we'd be gods ourselves. The Lord being IN OUR MIND for guidance is NOT the same as we're being in the Lord's mind.

In addition, knowing a person's intentions is different from knowing their mind. God's intentions and words are in the Bible, but knowing His intentions is not the same from knowing what he's thinking. Perhaps you're confused with the two.


Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isaia 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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[Joss-eh-lime]

i dont know about all that jibber jabber you wrote, but im confident im going to heaven.

b/c i believe jesus is the one and only way into heaven. its as simple as that.

but you have to let people make their own way, you cant force them.

[Uronacid]

Oh good lord, I can't believe we have a problem with defintions and context.

To finish let's cite a little more, Php 2:5-7:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men."

Interpretation: Let God guide (motivate) us as He is involved in everything we do. Strive to think like Jesus so that we may distance ourselves from sin like Jesus did.

NOT: We know what God't thinking. If we know what He's thinking, he wouldn't be God, or we'd be gods ourselves. The Lord being IN OUR MIND for guidance is NOT the same as we're being in the Lord's mind.

In addition, knowing a person's intentions is different from knowing their mind. God's intentions and words are in the Bible, but knowing His intentions is not the same from knowing what he's thinking. Perhaps you're confused with the two.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isaia 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

.

Agreed

[jesusisthebestth...]

i dont know about all that jibber jabber you wrote, but im confident im going to heaven.

b/c i believe jesus is the one and only way into heaven. its as simple as that.

but you have to let people make their own way, you cant force them.

well said.

[pinacoolada]

Personally, I don't take the bible literally. So all those excerpts from the bible that you posted? They don't mean much to me. Think about it. The bible was written down hundreds of years after it had been passed down orally. Ever heard of the game telephone? In a small amount of time, and between a significantly fewer amount of people, the message is changed.

I believe in God despite that, but I don't think it's cool to be trying to convert people like this.

Also...it doesn't require all that to be saved. God's love is beyond human comprehension; he will forgive you no matter what as long as you truly regret your sins, and ask for forgiveness. That's all you need to go to heaven.

[*jeanna*]

Personally, I don't take the bible literally. So all those excerpts from the bible that you posted? They don't mean much to me. Think about it. The bible was written down hundreds of years after it had been passed down orally. Ever heard of the game telephone? In a small amount of time, and between a significantly fewer amount of people, the message is changed.

I believe in God despite that, but I don't think it's cool to be trying to convert people like this.

Also...it doesn't require all that to be saved. God's love is beyond human comprehension; he will forgive you no matter what as long as you truly regret your sins, and ask for forgiveness. That's all you need to go to heaven.

but why do you need acceptance by him rather than by yourself alone?..

[Spirited Away]

where did he go?

[Uronacid]

He got sad and left.