Greatest Musical Genre Of All Time, DEBATE Options

[Kontroll]

I believe metal is because of the dynamics involved.

Such bands as Dragon Force, Lamb of God, Mastodon, Arch Enemy and such. Debate.

Yes, this is a debate. Why are such genre's so great? What about them makes them better than others, and why?

[*Michelle*]

Hmm...

Honestly, when I saw this thread, I thought "classical" immediately. Metal bands often use the warm-ups created by classical composers from the past, and the classical genre is classic. *shrug* I don't even listen to classical music

Though I must admit I am very, very jealous of the keyboardist of Dragonforce T_T

[*Steven*]

Oh man Dragonforce. Love them. Herman Li is a god despite what people say.

I'd have to go with rock as a genre. Of course, rock is very broad. When I say rock, I mean rock (metal included). None of that pussy soft rock stuff. No I do not like John Mayer's albums. Yes he's a very good guitarist but you'd have to see videos or him live to know that as he exhibits none of that in the music I've heard of him.

Metal takes such technical precision a lot of times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x96hXWAWtSM
Keyboard listen to dragonforce cry for eternity's solo.

Of course many great guitarists/pianists are classically trained, which could lead to that being declared as the best genre as it's influenced everything we have today...

[Tung]

I have to say screamo.

Senses Fail ftw.

[Kontroll]

I have to say screamo.

Senses Fail ftw.

Dude, we're not debating taste here. Senses Fail sucks balls. We're debating who has the best technique, and dynamics. Despite your bad taste in music, come up with something that stands out in a song or something.

For instance:
Cursed the Blackened Sun by Lamb of God. I love that song. Generally. The drum pattern in the chorus is absolutely amazing. Just listening to it doesn't even make sense. He's constantly hitting the crash cymbal but it sounds like the drummer is hits it last in the series. Download it or play it on YouTube. It's incredible, whether you like the music or not. It should be respected.

[jesusisthebestth...]

i'd definitely have to say classical. because classical music spawned jazz, blues, metal, soul, alternative, and many others.

[cyb3r0ptik]

metal may not be my preferred choice in music, but you HAVE to have talent to be a metal artist.
seriously.
the guitar licks, and drum kicks...
there's no sampling a beat, there's no laying down a track to a prerecorded beat on a keyboard or a computer.
it is pure, raw, fingers bleeding, carpel tunnel syndrome in the wrists and ankles (drummer).
especially speed metal (like dragon force).

you don't have to LIKE the music to admit that you gotta have talent to do it.

[bat19]

I think instrumental Jazz because of the improvisational possibilities not afforded to many other types of music. The incorporation of different types of sounds, like trumpet with piano in the background. Miles Davis was great, but that's such a generalization. Favorites as of now would be Pat Metheny and Chick Corea. But as to Jake's debate, if you can really call it that...

Sure, heavy metal bands do occasionally have great "dynamics" involved with their music, but what is music without harmony? I wont say that everyone hears Heavy Metal music and relates it to pure noise, but I do and many other people do. Drums alone do not make great music. Good music is a compilation of different, orchestrated sounds that compliment eachother. Many Heavy Metal bands, particularly scream-o bands, neglect this rule and rely heavily on noise.

I sound like a huge hypocrit. I rarely listen to Jazz music, it's mostly alternative rock music from the early to mid 90's, or classic rock from the drug revolution. As of right now, I am listening to Nothin' Song by Alice in Chains, and they're making a lot of noise, but I like it still.

Emo and scream-o both suck monkey balls. Debate that.

[*Steven*]

Emo and scream-o both suck monkey balls. Debate that.

What's to debate about that?

[Tung]

Hey, I enjoy listening to screamo core music. But I guess it isn't the GREATEST genre of all time. I really think that soul R&B was one of the greatest genre of all time.

[jesusisthebestth...]

Hey, I enjoy listening to screamo core music. But I guess it isn't the GREATEST genre of all time. I really think that soul R&B was one of the greatest genre of all time.

i totally agree with u there :)

[*Steven*]

Hey, I enjoy listening to screamo core music. But I guess it isn't the GREATEST genre of all time. I really think that soul R&B was one of the greatest genre of all time.

i totally agree with u there :)

It's basically play a riff over and over again screaming at the top of your lungs about how some bitch cheated on you and she lost out big time.

[Kontroll]

I think instrumental Jazz because of the improvisational possibilities not afforded to many other types of music. The incorporation of different types of sounds, like trumpet with piano in the background. Miles Davis was great, but that's such a generalization. Favorites as of now would be Pat Metheny and Chick Corea. But as to Jake's debate, if you can really call it that...

Sure, heavy metal bands do occasionally have great "dynamics" involved with their music, but what is music without harmony? I wont say that everyone hears Heavy Metal music and relates it to pure noise, but I do and many other people do. Drums alone do not make great music. Good music is a compilation of different, orchestrated sounds that compliment eachother. Many Heavy Metal bands, particularly scream-o bands, neglect this rule and rely heavily on noise.

I sound like a huge hypocrit. I rarely listen to Jazz music, it's mostly alternative rock music from the early to mid 90's, or classic rock from the drug revolution. As of right now, I am listening to Nothin' Song by Alice in Chains, and they're making a lot of noise, but I like it still.

Emo and scream-o both suck monkey balls. Debate that.

Firstly, as a musician, I can tell you that, improvisation is not as hard as it seems. Once a musician learns a certain amount of techniques, he is able to then throw them together with ease. As for writing a music piece...that's a different story. It takes time and energy, along with superb musical understanding. All great music is made by great musicians. They know what they are doing and what goes with what.

As for your arguement about metal not having any harmony, I have to disagree with you. At any certain time in most metal songs, there are a number of harmonies going on, especially that of guitars. From experience, harmony is a hard technique to get down, and it takes alot more time than people would think.

There's one thing I will agree with you, is that screamo and emo sucks.
BIG BALLS!

(tungmyBANANA @ Oct 10 2007, 12:21 PM)
Hey, I enjoy listening to screamo core music. But I guess it isn't the GREATEST genre of all time. I really think that soul R&B was one of the greatest genre of all time.

(SoEffinMajor @ Oct 10 2007, 10:32 PM)
i totally agree with u there :)

It's basically play a riff over and over again screaming at the top of your lungs about how some bitch cheated on you and she lost out big time.

It's not even that. They rarely use their lungs. Haha. You know how they get that whiney voice? They try to sing higher notes without volumizing. Like, when you're just singing along to a song, really low, and a high note comes up and you pretty much whisper it. That's how they do it.

Hey, I enjoy listening to screamo core music. But I guess it isn't the GREATEST genre of all time. I really think that soul R&B was one of the greatest genre of all time.

Alright, f*g-boy. This is a debate forum. Not an opinionated homo forum. Why is Soul and R&B the greatest ever? That's what we're trying to get at. If you don't know how to debate, go masterbate.

[*karmakiller*]

metal may not be my preferred choice in music, but you HAVE to have talent to be a metal artist.
seriously.
the guitar licks, and drum kicks...
there's no sampling a beat, there's no laying down a track to a prerecorded beat on a keyboard or a computer.
it is pure, raw, fingers bleeding, carpel tunnel syndrome in the wrists and ankles (drummer).
especially speed metal (like dragon force).

you don't have to LIKE the music to admit that you gotta have talent to do it.

I'd have to agree. There's more emotion (generally) in Metal music. Great lyrics and you have to have some kickass skills to play... the energy is the best. A lot of popular music has a track that someone sings to, and most don't write their own lyrics, but with metal it's the total opposite. I'd say I have to love the fans, esspecially where I live, because metal's not that popular here, so that makes for some of the best fans. They actually have to put effort into finding the newer stuff... unlike popular music that's there whenever you turn on MTV or tune into the radio.

[MrElsewhere]

I believe the Baroque Era, largely because of Bach. The man pretty much laid the foundation on which all modern music is based off.

[*Steven*]

^OMG Listening to that stuff is so boring...


BUT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tCB0fSHigY
:D

[Djlunatix]

Anyone who doesn't feel that Metal is a difficult technical genre to master, needs to play GH2 on Expert... and even that is an understatement.

While i personally HATE metal...i will agree its the best technical genre out there.

[bat19]

Anyone who doesn't feel that Metal is a difficult technical genre to master, needs to play GH2 on Expert... and even that is an understatement.

Goddamnit, Im so sick of all these people who compare Guitar Hero to actual guitar playing. They are nothing alike, thats like someone who compares DDR to actual dancing, its nothing alike. Put down the video games and actually do something with your life you nerd.

[*Steven*]

Goddamnit, Im so sick of all these people who compare Guitar Hero to actual guitar playing. They are nothing alike, thats like someone who compares DDR to actual dancing, its nothing alike. Put down the video games and actually do something with your life you nerd.

Nuh uh. I saw southpark's non conformity episode. DDR = dancing. Dancing w/o a machine telling you what to do = blasphemy.

[Djlunatix]

Goddamnit, Im so sick of all these people who compare Guitar Hero to actual guitar playing. They are nothing alike, thats like someone who compares DDR to actual dancing, its nothing alike. Put down the video games and actually do something with your life you nerd.

Your lack of substance in this post really doesn't surprise me. I play Guitar, I Play Guitar Hero, I was on a Dance Team for a local tour group, and I play DDR. And yet before you tell me what to do with my life, please note this debate was to discuss the greatest musical Genre, not my lack of judgment.

[EddieV]

As far as voices go, I'd have to give it to R&B and certain types of pop. Though as far as music with various instruments involved, I'd give it to either metal or orchestra.

[bat19]

Your lack of substance in this post really doesn't surprise me. I play Guitar, I Play Guitar Hero, I was on a Dance Team for a local tour group, and I play DDR. And yet before you tell me what to do with my life, please note this debate was to discuss the greatest musical Genre, not my lack of judgment.

Well then the very fact that you play guitar and are unable to tell the extreme differences between guitar hero and actually playing guitar means that you suck at playing guitar. Also the fact that you're a guy in a dance group means you're very gay. I've already posted in this forum about what I think is the best musical genre, you went off about gay stuff. As far as my posts lacking substance, I apologize that I didn't delve further into the fact that you're gay and you suck at guitar. Also that you're a nerd who plays video games and dances all day. I'm sure the parents are mighty proud.

[Djlunatix]

Well then the very fact that you play guitar and are unable to tell the extreme differences between guitar hero and actually playing guitar means that you suck at playing guitar. Also the fact that you're a guy in a dance group means you're very gay. I've already posted in this forum about what I think is the best musical genre, you went off about gay stuff. As far as my posts lacking substance, I apologize that I didn't delve further into the fact that you're gay and you suck at guitar. Also that you're a nerd who plays video games and dances all day. I'm sure the parents are mighty proud.

Once again your inability to actually respond to something relevant is overwhelming. I find it humorous as to where you can attack my character, and yet you feel the best genre of music is Jazz. There is nothing more to say, as I frankly don't care whether or not I can play a guitar. I have nothing to prove to you, nor to anyone else on these forums. I participated in the discussion, since this is the debate sub-forums, and instead of discussing the matter in a mature manner, you turn it into a personal matter. Next time if you want your post to hold more caliber I suggest you grow up a little, and stop attacking people just because they might disagree with your thorough 3 paragraph post as to why Jazz music is technically better.

[bat19]

Once again your inability to actually respond to something relevant is overwhelming. I find it humorous as to where you can attack my character, and yet you feel the best genre of music is Jazz. There is nothing more to say, as I frankly don't care whether or not I can play a guitar. I have nothing to prove to you, nor to anyone else on these forums. I participated in the discussion, since this is the debate sub-forums, and instead of discussing the matter in a mature manner, you turn it into a personal matter. Next time if you want your post to hold more caliber I suggest you grow up a little, and stop attacking people just because they might disagree with your thorough 3 paragraph post as to why Jazz music is technically better.

And you're constant replying is adding fuel to the fire. What I originally said was that I hated when people compare guitar hero to actually playing guitar. This was directed towards every person who does this, yourself included. Guitar Hero is a retarded video game trying to cash in on the DDR phenomenon and so far all you Cows have done exactly what they wanted you to do. What do you learn by pressing buttons off a never ending conveyor belt? Nothing. It'd be one thing if it was actually teaching you how to play guitar, but it's not.
The fact that you believe anyone who disagrees with you to be of a lesser "caliber" shows how truly ignorant you are. And if you felt no need in proving yourself to me and the forum community, why keep replying? If what I have to say does not matter, why continue? Because you are a hypocrite and you fall under the personality type of so many teens with too much useless information. You believe you are smarter than everyone else. The ignorance of the old does not imply the intelligence of the young. Maybe you should learn that. Besides, as Socrates says, the only truly wise person is the one who admits he doesn't know anything. Also you're a nerd.

Jazz music is simple, true. If you want complexity, go with rock. The faster, the better. It all depends on personal preference, there is no genre of music that is uniformally agreed upon to be the greatest, and preference does not require an explanation. I like Jazz because it is relaxing to me and keeps me in a mellow, but good mood. Another person would listen to the same music and find it boring. Preference cannot be explained, so any debate is really pointless, but I guess we must continue...

[Djlunatix]

And you're constant replying is adding fuel to the fire.

Hypocritical much? If there is one thing that is true, its arguing with you is pointless. Please because you are so much wiser then me, tell me why at 20 are you active at forums, targeted for 13-16 year olds. I am on these forums because I don't act my age of 19, yet your quoting of philosophical theories by Socrates obviously making your age known. Your right we must continue, but thats where I will have the common decency to stop, you can continue this "debate" but I actually try to make conversation with people, not judge them because they like a video game.

/rant

[Kontroll]

If there is one thing that is true, its arguing with you is pointless.

Haha. Oh, man. At least you're not his friend. I have to deal with this shit all the time. HAHA. But, yes. Metal is great. Over all. I think the singers for metal are actually significantly better than those of pop singers and such. If I would have to give it up to some one for singing it would be an opera singer. It amazes me the kind of voice they have.

[MrElsewhere]

For reference: Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor

[bat19]

Haha. Oh, man. At least you're not his friend. I have to deal with this shit all the time. HAHA. But, yes. Metal is great. Over all. I think the singers for metal are actually significantly better than those of pop singers and such. If I would have to give it up to some one for singing it would be an opera singer. It amazes me the kind of voice they have.

you fuckin queerbait. How dare you agree with this breakdancing nerd. j/k, Metal sucks. You suck Jake.

[Sandraaa]

I think instrumental Jazz because of the improvisational possibilities not afforded to many other types of music. The incorporation of different types of sounds, like trumpet with piano in the background. Miles Davis was great, but that's such a generalization. Favorites as of now would be Pat Metheny and Chick Corea. But as to Jake's debate, if you can really call it that...

Sure, heavy metal bands do occasionally have great "dynamics" involved with their music, but what is music without harmony? I wont say that everyone hears Heavy Metal music and relates it to pure noise, but I do and many other people do. Drums alone do not make great music. Good music is a compilation of different, orchestrated sounds that compliment eachother. Many Heavy Metal bands, particularly scream-o bands, neglect this rule and rely heavily on noise.

I sound like a huge hypocrit. I rarely listen to Jazz music, it's mostly alternative rock music from the early to mid 90's, or classic rock from the drug revolution. As of right now, I am listening to Nothin' Song by Alice in Chains, and they're making a lot of noise, but I like it still.

Emo and scream-o both suck monkey balls. Debate that.

JE T'AIME

I do not like Jazz AT ALL but honestly, jazz is the foundation of good music.
Also, 80s rock!!

[xtwitchyx]

What about Kittie? They seem to be pretty good for an all female metal band.