illegal immigrants, should something be done? Options

[poisonedxivy]

i guess the issue on illegal immigrants is becoming more apparent than before. what do you guys think? should something be done to stop this or should something be done?


personally i think the government NEEDS to crack down on these people. its unfair if dishonest people cross the border line or reside in america for a longer period of time than allowed.

[onenonly101]

The government then needs to crack down on all illegal immergrants, because they will allow cubans in but they will turn away those from Hati. Personally i am fine with illegal immergrants because they aren't hurting me and are helping the economy so...

[iheartsimba]

i dont think anything should be done actually



i believe the world should be this little grassland and the lions and bears and blacks and whites and asians, ect all run free with the wind.


like pochahontas =]

[JlIaTMK]

no i dont think anything should be done

its helping our economy

[ComradeRed]

We should concentrate on fighting terrorism, not immigration. Oepn borders more and scan more.

[dasturbd]

As long as they speak english I don't care, but it annoys me to no end when someone that's been immigrated here for say 10 years and still can't speak a word of English!!

[poisonedxivy]

We should concentrate on fighting terrorism, not immigration. Oepn borders more and scan more.

i guess thats a nice way to look at it. considering those open borders allow terrorists to come into america more easily. the "scan more" part isn't gonna happen since we have more pressing things to worry about as of now. such as the situation in iraq.

[*NatiMarie*]

I think illegal immigration is fine I guess. It is helping our economy and stuff...

[ComradeRed]

i guess thats a nice way to look at it. considering those open borders allow terrorists to come into america more easily. the "scan more" part isn't gonna happen since we have more pressing things to worry about as of now. such as the situation in iraq.

I disagree. Closed borders take resources away from terrorism-fighting and put them into immigration-fighting, whereas open but scanned borders let us watch closer. The War on Iraq is a distraction and will cause more terrorism anyway.

[m@dcow]

illegal immigration is something that is keeping our country running...

[*kryogenix*]

illegal immigration is something that is keeping our country running...

no. it isn't. legal immigration helps, not illegal immigration.

[ComradeRed]

What's the difference? A piece of paper.

We should abolish welfare. That way, only hard working immigrants that help the economy will enter the country. All the parasites will have no reason to enter our country. Best solution there.

[*kryogenix*]

What's the difference? A piece of paper.

We should abolish welfare. That way, only hard working immigrants that help the economy will enter the country. All the parasites will have no reason to enter our country. Best solution there.

Plus no tax money to waste on welfare programs either. A win win situation!

[perdyperdybirdy]

no i dont think anything should be done

its helping our economy

i'M with her.

[*kryogenix*]

no i dont think anything should be done

its helping our economy

It's also preventing legal americans from obtaining jobs. if the government cracked down on this, then companies would have to hire americans rather than illegal immigrants.

[ComradeRed]

Plus no tax money to waste on welfare programs either. A win win situation!

Exactly.

Cracking down on immigration is only going to violate civil liberties, have no effect whatsoever on the economy, and we're still left with the problem of an overbloated welfare state.

We need to tackle the root of the problem, and that is government entitlement.

[onenonly101]

It's also preventing legal americans from obtaining jobs. if the government cracked down on this, then companies would have to hire americans rather than illegal immigrants.

It is not preventing legal Americans from getting jobs. Becuase the jobs that illegal immergrants do are jobs that americans consider lowly. These lazy Americans would apply for the job in the first place. Illegal immergrants do the jobs that Americans feel that they are too good to do.

[LaRevolucion]

It is not preventing legal Americans from getting jobs. Becuase the jobs that illegal immergrants do are jobs that americans consider lowly. These lazy Americans would apply for the job in the first place. Illegal immergrants do the jobs that Americans feel that they are too good to do.

I totally agree

[Mini]

It is not preventing legal Americans from getting jobs. Becuase the jobs that illegal immergrants do are jobs that americans consider lowly. These lazy Americans would apply for the job in the first place. Illegal immergrants do the jobs that Americans feel that they are too good to do.

me too. like being a maid.

[ComradeRed]

"Illegal immigrants have always been a problem here. Just ask any Indian."
--Robert Orben

[*kryogenix*]

It is not preventing legal Americans from getting jobs. Becuase the jobs that illegal immergrants do are jobs that americans consider lowly. These lazy Americans would apply for the job in the first place. Illegal immergrants do the jobs that Americans feel that they are too good to do.

Are you saying working at Walmart is a lowly job? Walmart has been accused of hiring illegal immigrants. If the government would crack down on this, Walmart would be forced to hire legal americans.

[juliar]

As long as they speak english I don't care, but it annoys me to no end when someone that's been immigrated here for say 10 years and still can't speak a word of English!!

You offend my parents.
Well, does it really matter? It's not really affecting many people.
Yea, Walmart hired illegal immigrants for a lower price. If they hired for equal price, there would be no major motivation for the immigrants.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

yo dont be fricking racist, think about being in their shoes, it aint their fault, u try being one of them, they have no other choice, its either that or die

plus we cant make them leave cuz than i would have to go 2...

[shawty_redd]

but its been proven that immigrants work harder than the average american

[ComradeRed]

How do you prove something like that ... exactly?

If I focus and type a paper in one hour and then partied for three hours, did I work more hard or less hard than someone who types the same paper in four hours while relaxing with drinks and music?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/board/nest/8316385

[Mr. Psychotic]

the border patrol has turned into lazy people and also wusses

[*kryogenix*]

You offend my parents.
Well, does it really matter? It's not really affecting many people.
Yea, Walmart hired illegal immigrants for a lower price. If they hired for equal price, there would be no major motivation for the immigrants.

wait, are you telling me if Walmart paid illegal immigrants at minimum wage, the illegal immigrants wouldn't want to work anymore? Are you saying if they received a raise, they would no longer be motivated to work? If the government cracked down on walmart, walmart would no longer have any incentive to hire illegals.

  yo dont be fricking racist, think about being in their shoes, it aint their fault, u try being one of them, they have no other choice, its either that or die

plus we cant make them leave cuz than i would have to go 2...

it's not racist. you can be against illegal immigrants of the same race.

[xscore]

nothing should be done...
because theyre not exactly doing anything bad
theyre just doing the jobs that the average lazy american wont do...

where do u get ur strawberries and stuff?
nobody wants to be in the field picking strawberries all day...
its the [majority] immigrants doing those hard jobs....

and they HAVE to make a living...usually the countries where they come from are really undeveloped and unindustrialized..which mean, no jobs for them...

[LaRevolucion]

Are you saying working at Walmart is a lowly job? Walmart has been accused of hiring illegal immigrants. If the government would crack down on this, Walmart would be forced to hire legal americans.

Well...working at walmart is a lowly job anyway.... Plus they're sexist.

[LaRevolucion]

nothing should be done...
because theyre not exactly doing anything bad
theyre just doing the jobs that the average lazy american wont do...

where do u get ur strawberries and stuff?
nobody wants to be in the field picking strawberries all day...
its the [majority] immigrants doing those hard jobs....

and they HAVE to make a living...usually the countries where they come from are really undeveloped and unindustrialized..which mean, no jobs for them...

Thank You!

[xscore]

As long as they speak english I don't care, but it annoys me to no end when someone that's been immigrated here for say 10 years and still can't speak a word of English!!

i agree with juliar...that offends my parents too...its hard to learn a whole new language when ur a full grown adult.....

[ComradeRed]

You offend a thousand generations of ancestors.

[Haruka]

Well, funny some of you are against it. ALOT of the people i know in the US (cousins, friends, parents' friends) are illigal. They'll probably get their papers NE ways, but they had it so bad that they had to leave thier contry. Some of them just want to learn english and study here so i see no problem, depending on the reason.

[*kryogenix*]

nothing should be done...
because theyre not exactly doing anything bad
theyre just doing the jobs that the average lazy american wont do...

where do u get ur strawberries and stuff?
nobody wants to be in the field picking strawberries all day...
its the [majority] immigrants doing those hard jobs....

and they HAVE to make a living...usually the countries where they come from are really undeveloped and unindustrialized..which mean, no jobs for them...

wait, usually when something is labeled illegal, it's bad. because of them, money is being spent for border patrols. i'm fine with immigrants doing that work, just not illegal immigrants. it's not fair to the legal immigrants, as well as those born here. if they want to make a living, they can do so in their country, or they can legally emigrate to the united states.

[EmeraldKnight]

wait, usually when something is labeled illegal, it's bad. because of them, money is being spent for border patrols. i'm fine with immigrants doing that work, just not illegal immigrants. it's not fair to the legal immigrants, as well as those born here. if they want to make a living, they can do so in their country, or they can legally emigrate to the united states.

the border patrol doesnt simply look out for illegal immigrants.. they check for illegal products (ie. drugs) too.. but there're so many ppl that want to immigrate.. the process takes a substantial amount of time.. and some cannot make a living in their own country

I disagree and agree with you in certain respects..

Disagree: illegal immigrants that work should be allowed to stay.. they're still benefiting society.. why not?

Agree: its not fair to those legal immigrants that spent the time legally establishing themselves..

[poisonedxivy]

I disagree and agree with you in certain respects..

Disagree: illegal immigrants that work should be allowed to stay.. they're still benefiting society.. why not?

Agree: its not fair to those legal immigrants that spent the time legally establishing themselves..

too me, whether or not they benefit out society is irrelavent. the fact that they're here through illegal means erases those positive effects. if they weren't there to do those jobs that positively effect us, legal citizens would. not only is it unfair to the people that waited to get their citizenships, greencards, visas, and etc its just downright wrong. if we turn a blind eye to it, what's the purpose of the system that's being implemented now to regulate the amount of people immigrating in and out?

[Blueiyzboy]

I dont like it becasue they take our money and stuff and it is just a bad thing then they think they own the US when the come here... err.

[HiddenFaerie]

As long as they speak english I don't care, but it annoys me to no end when someone that's been immigrated here for say 10 years and still can't speak a word of English!!

Exactly, if they came to this country to form a better life, don't you think they would try just a bit harder? I can't explain how much people like that annoy me. I suppose it's because I myself am latino, and many people once they see one who dosn't speak english and has a dead end job, they expect all spanish people to be the same.

That and many people believe we're all from Mexico and eat tacos on a daily basis. I don't like tacos...

[bigpoppaproppy]

1) kick out all illegals, ESPECIALLY those who have commited a crime
2) close the borders a bit, and make it harder to get in
3) cut welfare DRASTICALLY, its way overused.... make it VERY hard to obtain and allow only 6 months on...if you can't get SOME sort of job in 6 months, you probably dont deserve your kids anyway
4) thank you to whoever made the english comment...we shouldnt HAVE to adopt a second and third language just because you're too freakin lazy to learn the NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE NATION
5) I know theyre a part of the economy and such, but theres plenty of jkobless and homeless americans who could be sent there instead of welfare lines

[stryker76]

Illegal Immgrants.....hmmm kick them out...i mean how hard is it to take the freakin test to get your papers....or to write there embassy to get help...i say kick them all out till they get there papers

[EmeraldKnight]

Illegal Immgrants.....hmmm kick them out...i mean how hard is it to take the freakin test to get your papers....or to write there embassy to get help...i say kick them all out till they get there papers

How hard? Do you know how many freaking ppl wait to take the test? How freaking neglectful some embassies can be? And if we kick them out.. they'll lose their jobs.. jobs that they may not be able to get back or afford losing.. I say to keep the current ones already established.. but like was mentioned.. make it a lot harder to get in

[poisonedxivy]

1) kick out all illegals, ESPECIALLY those who have commited a crime
2) close the borders a bit, and make it harder to get in
3) cut welfare DRASTICALLY, its way overused.... make it VERY hard to obtain and allow only 6 months on...if you can't get SOME sort of job in 6 months, you probably dont deserve your kids anyway
4) thank you to whoever made the english comment...we shouldnt HAVE to adopt a second and third language just because you're too freakin lazy to learn the NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE NATION
5) I know theyre a part of the economy and such, but theres plenty of jkobless and homeless americans who could be sent there instead of welfare lines

i completely agree.

How hard? Do you know how many freaking ppl wait to take the test? How freaking neglectful some embassies can be? And if we kick them out.. they'll lose their jobs.. jobs that they may not be able to get back or afford losing.. I say to keep the current ones already established.. but like was mentioned.. make it a lot harder to get in

its not out concern if illegal immigrants loose jobs they had no right to obtain in the first place. it IS pretty hard to get visas to come to america. to me its unethical for them to come here illegally. if they have such a bad life there, they've probably been dealing with it for a long time. what's the difference if they wait a couple of years? that way they have all the rights associated with america and can say that they truely ARE legal immigrants and not some idiot that jumped the border.

[EmeraldKnight]

its not out concern if illegal immigrants loose jobs they had no right to obtain in the first place. it IS pretty hard to get visas to come to america. to me its unethical for them to come here illegally. if they have such a bad life there, they've probably been dealing with it for a long time. what's the difference if they wait a couple of years? that way they have all the rights associated with america and can say that they truely ARE legal immigrants and not some idiot that jumped the border.

Obviously, you dont have much sympathy for them... well, the diff is that they could starve or otherwise perish within a few years..

Yes, its unethical to come here illegally, but its also unethical to kick them back for them to die.. two wrongs dont make a right

[*kryogenix*]

Obviously, you dont have much sympathy for them... well, the diff is that they could starve or otherwise perish within a few years..

Yes, its unethical to come here illegally, but its also unethical to kick them back for them to die.. two wrongs dont make a right

dude. look at what you're saying. according to you, we might as well not put anyone in prison, because it would be unethical to punish them like that. there are consequences to sneaking into a country illegally.

by not punishing illegals, you're telling terrorists that they can get into the US and nothing will be done to them.

[EmeraldKnight]

dude. look at what you're saying. according to you, we might as well not put anyone in prison, because it would be unethical to punish them like that. there are consequences to sneaking into a country illegally.

by not punishing illegals, you're telling terrorists that they can get into the US and nothing will be done to them.

Bleh.. its hard arguing for the side I'm personally against, no one else was arguing it, so cut me some slack!

Ok, so maybe I set myself up for that one..

You got me on the first one, but on the second on, that's not what I'm saying.. I'm saying that we do nothing for the ones already here.. but we close all the borders and not allow anymore in

[*kryogenix*]

Bleh.. its hard arguing for the side I'm personally against, no one else was arguing it, so cut me some slack!

Ok, so maybe I set myself up for that one..

You got me on the first one, but on the second on, that's not what I'm saying.. I'm saying that we do nothing for the ones already here.. but we close all the borders and not allow anymore in

by letting the ones who already made it stay, you undermine the authority of the law. you're not teaching the wannabe illegal immigrants anything. the goal is to teach them that you aren't supposed to try to sneak in, and if you do, you'll be deported so there's no point in sneaking in. by allowing them to stay, you're telling the wannabe illegals that if you get caught sneaking in you're screwed, but if you make it, you're safe.

i thankyou for playing the devil's advocate on this one.

[EmeraldKnight]

by letting the ones who already made it stay, you undermine the authority of the law. you're not teaching the wannabe illegal immigrants anything. the goal is to teach them that you aren't supposed to try to sneak in, and if you do, you'll be deported so there's no point in sneaking in. by allowing them to stay, you're telling the wannabe illegals that if you get caught sneaking in you're screwed, but if you make it, you're safe.

i thankyou for playing the devil's advocate on this one.

Mm.. I guess you have a point there.. but the ones that make it in still contribute to the country.. they have jobs and help the economy (in a very insignificant manner, I know but they still do).. still.. perhaps the ones not adequately established that are jobless should be kicked out.. but would you support kicking someone out that has a job, just bought a house and has lived in the US for a while, just never discovered?

[onenonly101]

Illegal Immgrants.....hmmm kick them out...i mean how hard is it to take the freakin test to get your papers....or to write there embassy to get help...i say kick them all out till they get there papers

Do you remember an incident called 9/11. Since then it has been even harder for people to obtain citizenship. Even berfore that it was very difficult for people to obtain citizenship.

1) kick out all illegals, ESPECIALLY those who have commited a crime

Sure if they have committed a crime, but those who haven't done anything shouldn't be punished. Illegal aliens help our economy and I'm all for helping our economy. Plus doesn't hurt me, them being here, so why not. We are the country of immergrants

3) cut welfare DRASTICALLY, its way overused.... make it VERY hard to obtain and allow only 6 months on...if you can't get SOME sort of job in 6 months, you probably dont deserve your kids anyway

illegal aliens can't obtain welfare

4) thank you to whoever made the english comment...we shouldnt HAVE to adopt a second and third language just because you're too freakin lazy to learn the NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE NATION

Too lazy? English is the hardest language to learn, and what about those with learning disabilities?

Are you saying working at Walmart is a lowly job? Walmart has been accused of hiring illegal immigrants. If the government would crack down on this, Walmart would be forced to hire legal americans.

I never said working at Walmart was lowly but many Americans do believe that. Also why hire some lazy legal americans when you could hire someone who would do a much better job and wouldn't take things for granted

[HiddenFaerie]

Illegal Immgrants.....hmmm kick them out...i mean how hard is it to take the freakin test to get your papers....or to write there embassy to get help...i say kick them all out till they get there papers

It takes years to simply to get your greencard and your residency. Let alone your citizenship, that takes even longer. Yes there are many immigrants who abuse the things they recieve, and who make no progress to actually better there lives. But that's no reason to simply kick them all out.

[*kryogenix*]

It takes years to simply to get your greencard and your residency. Let alone your citizenship, that takes even longer. Yes there are many immigrants who abuse the things they recieve, and who make no progress to actually better there lives. But that's no reason to simply kick them all out.

so because it takes so long, you're saying we can let them cheat the system by sneaking in.

why? why make laws preventing illegal immigration and border patrols when you're going to reward them for sneaking in? it doesn't make sense.

[Spirited Away]

Too lazy? English is the hardest language to learn, and what about those with learning disabilities?

Very true, except for English being the hardest language to learn. It may be the hardest Indo-European language to know (in my opinion), but I'm almost positive that it isn't the hardest.

English may be a breeze for native borns and young children, but to older foreigners, it is hard to learn unless they have a good tongue and mind for language.

To say that people are too lazy to learn isn't all that fair, but I can understand why that is a valid accusation. There are immigrants, illegal and legal, who just don't care to learn and expect translators to do the job, but there are people who try very hard to speak it. So really, you can't group all immigrants together in the "they're too lazy to learn English" category.

[EmeraldKnight]

Very true, except for English being the hardest language to learn. It may be the hardest Indo-European language to know (in my opinion), but I'm almost positive that it isn't the hardest.

English may be a breeze for native borns and young children, but to older foreigners, it is hard to learn unless they have a good tongue and mind for language.

To say that people are too lazy to learn isn't all that fair, but I can understand why that is a valid accusation. There are immigrants, illegal and legal, who just don't care to learn and expect translators to do the job, but there are people who try very hard to speak it. So really, you can't group all immigrants together in the "they're too lazy to learn English" category

Additionally, many of them struggle to make a living; many dont have the time to learn English; and I totally agree on the grouping issue

so because it takes so long, you're saying we can let them cheat the system by sneaking in.

why? why make laws preventing illegal immigration and border patrols when you're going to reward them for sneaking in? it doesn't make sense

Uh..... I suppose you got me there... legally we should do everything we can to export them...

But, considering the situation with the war on terror, budget deficit and all, border patrol doesnt seem like a very high priority at the moment.. at least not for illegal immigrants

I mean.. if they're already in the US and establish a living, besides the legal reason, why should we deport them? What are they doing wrong? Legally we should deport them, I admit that; morally though, I dont believe we should

[*CrackedRearView*]

I think it should be cracked down on for one main reason:

The crime that illegal immigration spawns.

1) You have more hate crimes both against the illegal immigrants and committed by them.

2) The problem with the crime that illegal immigrants commit is that it's in such stealth, they could hold up the local convenience store, leave every single finger print they wished, get caught on every single security camera, and get away squeaky clean.

We don't have any records on them, so yes, "a little piece of paper" is quite important.

It's hard enough now to track down criminals having every piece of their history on file.

Imagine how hard it is having zilch...

[*CrackedRearView*]

Don't get me wrong, I know most of them are hard working, honest people, and I would gladly grant them citizenship any day of the week if I had the power.

But, as it's always been in any ethnicity, there are the select 1 or 2 percent who could be a potentially psychotic serial killer.

[LaRevolucion]

by not punishing illegals, you're telling terrorists that they can get into the US and nothing will be done to them.

There's a difference between a terorrist and an illegal immigrant.

[LaRevolucion]

Very true, except for English being the hardest language to learn. It may be the hardest Indo-European language to know (in my opinion), but I'm almost positive that it isn't the hardest.

English may be a breeze for native borns and young children, but to older foreigners, it is hard to learn unless they have a good tongue and mind for language.

To say that people are too lazy to learn isn't all that fair, but I can understand why that is a valid accusation. There are immigrants, illegal and legal, who just don't care to learn and expect translators to do the job, but there are people who try very hard to speak it. So really, you can't group all immigrants together in the "they're too lazy to learn English" category.

I agree completely. Thank you for pointing that out.

[EmeraldKnight]

Don't get me wrong, I know most of them are hard working, honest people, and I would gladly grant them citizenship any day of the week if I had the power.

But, as it's always been in any ethnicity, there are the select 1 or 2 percent who could be a potentially psychotic serial killer.

ONE OR TWO PERCENT.. you said it yourself, why punish the entire group over 1 or 2 percent?

I think it should be cracked down on for one main reason:

The crime that illegal immigration spawns.

1) You have more hate crimes both against the illegal immigrants and committed by them.

2) The problem with the crime that illegal immigrants commit is that it's in such stealth, they could hold up the local convenience store, leave every single finger print they wished, get caught on every single security camera, and get away squeaky clean.

We don't have any records on them, so yes, "a little piece of paper" is quite important.

It's hard enough now to track down criminals having every piece of their history on file.

Imagine how hard it is having zilch...

1. Where do you get this statement? Evidence?
2. You killed your own argument.. read the last statement "Imagine how hard it is having zilch..."

I have 2 responses to that statement:
1. You said so yourself, its hard, so why make it harder?
2. If they have zilch, tell me: how the heck do they manage to obtain weapons to hold up convenience stores?

[*kryogenix*]

There's a difference between a terorrist and an illegal immigrant.

They have similar motives: To get into the United States without going through customs. Both try to get into the United States illegally. Both are costing the US money.

[ComradeRed]

How are illegal immigrants costing us money?

They only cost us money if we pay them welfare. Get rid of welfare, and "illegal" immigration ceases to become a problem.

[*kryogenix*]

How are illegal immigrants costing us money?

They only cost us money if we pay them welfare. Get rid of welfare, and "illegal" immigration ceases to become a problem.

border patrols. if there was no threat of illegal immigration, we wouldn't need to have teams of men patrol the border and set up fences.

[onenonly101]

No, we are wasting our money. Obviously they are still making it over so there isn't a need for border control when everybody is still finding a way in

[rnrn897]

yea.. cuz they might be criminals who're trying to hide
but some could be innocent ppl who're trying to leave the communist country and shtuff

[ComradeRed]

border patrols. if there was no threat of illegal immigration, we wouldn't need to have teams of men patrol the border and set up fences.

Exactly... legalize it and no more need for massive boreder patrols. if you crack down you will only need MORE border patrols. Concentrate patrols on t'rists.

[EmeraldKnight]

Adding to border patrols, they also check for illegal substances, and terrorists attempting to enter the US, both of which are of far greater concern than a few immigrants

[*CrackedRearView*]

ONE OR TWO PERCENT.. you said it yourself, why punish the entire group over 1 or 2 percent?

Is it really punishment to make them get a green card? .......

1. Where do you get this statement? Evidence?

Well, I supposed I combine personal experience with common logic on this one.

I don't know if you live near the Mexican border or in the California/Texas vicinity, but when I lived in San Diego, defenseless illegals would be stigmatized simply because of their lack of citizenship. I've seen it myself.

More come in? It gets worse.

2. You killed your own argument.. read the last statement "Imagine how hard it is having zilch..."

You've completely misconstrued my argument.

1. You said so yourself, its hard, so why make it harder?

We'd make it harder to track dowbn illegal immigrant criminals by cracking down on the borders? What?!

2. If they have zilch, tell me: how the heck do they manage to obtain weapons to hold up convenience stores?

Misunderstanding. I wasn't talking about the immigrants having zilch...I was talking about the police having zilch.

No records on them whatsoever. DNA testing on a strand of hair wouldn't even be sufficient enough since they weren't born here, and haven't gone through the requirements to get citizenship. We haven't a clue of their existence.

[EmeraldKnight]

Is it really punishment to make them get a green card? .......

Green card, no. Deporting them and offsetting their lifestyle, yes.

Well, I supposed I combine personal experience with common logic on this one.

I don't know if you live near the Mexican border or in the California/Texas vicinity, but when I lived in San Diego, defenseless illegals would be stigmatized simply because of their lack of citizenship. I've seen it myself.

More come in? It gets worse.

So why dont we help the defenseless illegals instead of deporting them?

We'd make it harder to track dowbn illegal immigrant criminals by cracking down on the borders? What?!

I meant their life.. you said it was hard enough, why make it harder is what I'm asking..

Misunderstanding. I wasn't talking about the immigrants having zilch...I was talking about the police having zilch.

No records on them whatsoever. DNA testing on a strand of hair wouldn't even be sufficient enough since they weren't born here, and haven't gone through the requirements to get citizenship. We haven't a clue of their existence.

Yes, so why spend all the effort and tax dollars trying to track down illegal immigrants currently in the US if they're doing no harm; it'd onli divert law enforcement from the more necessary objectives, maintaining order, patrolling the border for illegal substances and terrorists

[Sumiaki]

Well I agree with everyone saying that illegal aliens are ok. They help the economy and take jobs that americans think are lowly. Plus, most illegal aliens move because of a local threat or poverty. Getting citizenship isnt the easiest thing to do, my dad actually sponsored my uncle into coming to the U.S. legally. It takes time and money, some things illegal aliens don't have.

[EmeraldKnight]

Well I agree with everyone saying that illegal aliens are ok. They help the economy and take jobs that americans think are lowly. Plus, most illegal aliens move because of a local threat or poverty. Getting citizenship isnt the easiest thing to do, my dad actually sponsored my uncle into coming to the U.S. legally. It takes time and money, some things illegal aliens don't have.

Yes, exactly.. like I said..

Legally, we should go after them..

Morally and realistically.. no, we have far better things to do

[*CrackedRearView*]

Do you not agree that an illegal immigrant could commit a heinous crime and get away with it much easier that a person whom the U.S. government has complete records on?

That was the entire point of my post...

It had nothing to do with making "the immigrant's lives harder"...

If they want to be in our country and mooch off our jobs so bad, they should strive to get citizenship rather than pussyfoot across the border.

[EmeraldKnight]

Do you not agree that an illegal immigrant could commit a heinous crime and get away with it much easier that a person whom the U.S. government has complete records on?

That was the entire point of my post...

It had nothing to do with making "the immigrant's lives harder"...

They could, but most struggle hard enough just to survive

If they want to be in our country and mooch off our jobs so bad, they should strive to get citizenship rather than pussyfoot across the border. 

Citizenship is an extremely tedious process, especially after 9/11.. during the time spent waiting, they might die because of horrid conditions in their country

[Sumiaki]

Yea, getting citizenship isnt like overnight stuff. It might take a little more than 2 years to get FULL citizenship, maybe even alot more. Most people who come here illegally are in a crisis situation with food, famine, and etc. Tell me... can you put off a crisis for a couple of years?

As for learning english. Most adults dont have the time or money to take classes. So they usually put their kid to school and take an ESL class so that they can be "translators" or help teach their own parents.

[redsoxbaby87]

i just dont see how people can possibley be illegal. if this is a free country than why shouldnt they be allowed to live here too. they are only helping the economy.

[poisonedxivy]

i just dont see how people can possibley be illegal. if this is a free country than why shouldnt they be allowed to live here too. they are only helping the economy.

it's only free for those who are here legally. just because it's a free country doesn't mean free borders. if what your sayng was true, then there is no way america could have upheld its whole "home of the free" approach. overpopulation. dont want that happening in the US. just because they help the economy doesn't mean they're good. anyone heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"? well to me... they're the cooks.

[forgottenrazor]

no i dont see anything wrong with imigrants being here,besides people that are imigants always end up cleaning up after you...taking care of your kids(babysitting),cleaning,stuff like that,i dont see anything wrong with it..

[forgottenrazor]

i just dont see how people can possibley be illegal. if this is a free country than why shouldnt they be allowed to live here too. they are only helping the economy.

yea thats true...completely agree.

[HiddenFaerie]

so because it takes so long, you're saying we can let them cheat the system by sneaking in.

why? why make laws preventing illegal immigration and border patrols when you're going to reward them for sneaking in? it doesn't make sense.

Sneak in? So are you saying that what? All illegal immigrants swam here from their country? Most actually got here legally. They managed to get a visa and come as tourists or as students. Well they are here and life isn't so easy. They kind of have to do something. Some do overstay their limit but normally those are the type that work.

As for Mexicans that come across the border. Most die simply attempting to make it across. As do those sneaking away from Cuba. They're willing to risk their lives for something they believe will make them happy. But they're greeted by hypocritical, egotists, and racist people simply spitting to get rid of them.

What rewards? There are none untill they become legal. They can't recieve welfare and unemployment. Laws don't allow it. So if they do want to live here they have to work. It makes perfect sense.

[POonSKi]

i guess the issue on illegal immigrants is becoming more apparent than before. what do you guys think? should something be done to stop this or should something be done?


personally i think the government NEEDS to crack down on these people. its unfair if dishonest people cross the border line or reside in america for a longer period of time than allowed.

i dont think they should do anything to stop illegal immigrants as long as they dont hurt anyone around here.

[LaRevolucion]

overpopulation. dont want that happening in the US. just because they help the economy doesn't mean they're good. anyone heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"? well to me... they're the cooks.

Oh get over yourself....the U.S. is gonna become a third world country anyway if it keeps up the way it is now...with the economy I mean. It wouldn't make a difference if it's overpopulated and what not.

[LaRevolucion]

As for Mexicans that come across the border. Most die simply attempting to make it across. As do those sneaking away from Cuba. They're willing to risk their lives for something they believe will make them happy. But they're greeted by hypocritical, egotists, and racist people simply spitting to get rid of them.

What rewards? There are none untill they become legal. They can't recieve welfare and unemployment. Laws don't allow it. So if they do want to live here they have to work. It makes perfect sense.

I agree with what you're saying, but don't forget about the people from Central and South America. They have to cross more than one border. Watch the movie "El Norte"...it has subtitles and it's really thought provoking.

[LaRevolucion]

If they want to be in our country and mooch off our jobs so bad, they should strive to get citizenship rather than pussyfoot across the border.

Mooch off our jobs?! Honestly...do you think they're mooching off our jobs?! They do jobs that NOBODY wants to do! Think of being a bus boy for example...or scrubbing toilets. I know that nobody that was born and raised in America wants to do those jobs unless they are desperate....or not even that. Dude think about it!

[megumint]

yeah it's helping the economy!

and the immigrant system is messed up as it is. like my best friend has to move away to india every 5 years to renew something..

aiee.

but my dad is allowed to stay because he came before her... eh. if i was an immigrant i would come illegally since i have no idea of any other way to do it. it's all too confusing.

[islandkiss]

The government then needs to crack down on all illegal immergrants, because they will allow cubans in but they will turn away those from Hati. Personally i am fine with illegal immergrants because they aren't hurting me and are helping the economy so...

I'll second that.. immigrants just want to have the privlege to be free..

[Sumiaki]

it's only free for those who are here legally. just because it's a free country doesn't mean free borders. if what your sayng was true, then there is no way america could have upheld its whole "home of the free" approach. overpopulation. dont want that happening in the US. just because they help the economy doesn't mean they're good. anyone heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"? well to me... they're the cooks.

Many things dont hold up to "home of the free" some have been resolved.

Home of the Free- is it fair to put native americans on reserves and take their land, yeah thats really free alright. Yea free country when we're having law troubles with gay marriages, thats REALLY free.

Overpopulation?!?! We're going to overpopulate with illegal aliens or not! Look at China! I dont think they had problems with illegal aliens.

Aha.. helpin the economy is bad then? Or at least not as bad as overpopulation. Yea lets not have "overpopulation" and pay alot of money for things that usually would cost a couple of bucks. At least we would have more space for things we cant buy!!! </sarcastic> Get your priorities straight.

"too many cooks spoil the broth" If illegal aliens are the cooks, then what is the broth?

Yes, it doesnt mean all illegal aliens are good. The good outmeasures the bad. Sure eating junk food tastes good, but it doesnt mean its all good. Yet many people eat junk food. How weird......

[poisonedxivy]

Oh get over yourself....the U.S. is gonna become a third world country anyway if it keeps up the way it is now...with the economy I mean. It wouldn't make a difference if it's overpopulated and what not.

first of all you could have combined all three of those posts. do you even know what it takes to be deemed a third world country? dont' throw around the term if you don't know the specifics. third world countries are pretty close the LCD's. the US is NOWHERE near that quota and never will be. it's too developed right now to ever go back to that state. if it DOES become a third world country and its overpopulated it takes a longer period of time to bring america back up. so it makes a HUGE difference as to whether america is overpopulated.

[PiRaTeGrL775]

i think so. i mean, if we have all those people coming up from mexico and stuff, we can get even more over-populated than we already are. plus they can bring disese and stuff. but i think they should get the chance to come here. like get tested for disese and drug usage and stuff. then get a green card or something.

[EmeraldKnight]

i think so. i mean, if we have all those people coming up from mexico and stuff, we can get even more over-populated than we already are. plus they can bring disese and stuff. but i think they should get the chance to come here. like get tested for disese and drug usage and stuff. then get a green card or something.

Legal immigrants can also bring diseases.. we're going to overpopulate with or without immigration.. do legal immigrants get tested?

Oh get over yourself....the U.S. is gonna become a third world country anyway if it keeps up the way it is now...with the economy I mean. It wouldn't make a difference if it's overpopulated and what not.

The US a 3rd world country? Arent we the onli remaining superpower?

[LaRevolucion]

i think so. i mean, if we have all those people coming up from mexico and stuff, we can get even more over-populated than we already are. plus they can bring disese and stuff. but i think they should get the chance to come here. like get tested for disese and drug usage and stuff. then get a green card or something.

Why do you only mention Mexico? I mean there are a lot of other immigrants from other countries that can bring diseases, not only Mexicans. I know you probably already knew that, but you so willingly only mentioned Mexico. Yeah, they do deserve a chance to get here and some are trying to get green cards.

[LaRevolucion]

The US a 3rd world country? Arent we the onli remaining superpower?

Yes....we are a very strong country, but I'm looking at this from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. I know this is beside the point and I don't know why I brought it up, but all I'm gonna say about this is....there is a possibility that the U.S. can become a third world country simply from the fact that the ozone layer is depleting. I know you're thinking well what does that have to do with anything.....well it has lots to do. I'm closing this subject since it's irrelevant. Btw....Japan is pretty far up there in the superpower matter.

[EmeraldKnight]

Why do you only mention Mexico?  I mean there are a lot of other immigrants from other countries that can bring diseases, not only Mexicans. I know you probably already knew that, but you so willingly only mentioned Mexico. Yeah, they do deserve a chance to get here and some are trying to get green cards.

I suppose they mentioned Mexico because it shares a border with the US and there've been many cases of illegal immigrants caught by the border patrol, etc..

Yes....we are a very strong country, but I'm looking at this from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. I know this is beside the point and I don't know why I brought it up, but all I'm gonna say about this is....there is a possibility that the U.S. can become a third world country simply from the fact that the ozone layer is depleting. I know you're thinking well what does that have to do with anything.....well it has lots to do. I'm closing this subject since it's irrelevant. Btw....Japan is pretty far up there in the superpower matter.

Scientific standpoint? How the heck? The ozone layer.. do you even know what you're talking about? It affects everyone, not just the US.. please, two things: 1. Dont double post; 2. Dont bring up arguments if you dont know what it is you're saying..

Oh and Japan may be economically strong, but it's not a superpower, again get your facts straight, please:

an extremely powerful nation; specifically : one of a very few dominant states in an era when the world is divided politically into these states and their satellites

^ Above definition is from www.m-w.com

[LaRevolucion]

I suppose they mentioned Mexico because it shares a border with the US and there've been many cases of illegal immigrants caught by the border patrol, etc..


Scientific standpoint? How the heck? The ozone layer.. do you even know what you're talking about? It affects everyone, not just the US.. please, two things: 1. Dont double post; 2. Dont bring up arguments if you dont know what it is you're saying..

Oh and Japan may be economically strong, but it's not a superpower, again get your facts straight, please:

Yes....but there can be so many other nations in which disease is prevalent, not just Mexico.

Yes....scientific standpoint. Yes...I do know what I'm talking about. Yes... I do know that it does affect everyone, not just the U.S., the U.S is getting left behind. Yes....the ozone layer. Take for example the car. It runs on gas....but they are now coming up with hybrids. Still, it isn't quite enough. In order to protect the ozone layer fully, they must come up with a car that doesn't run on gas and in order to save money they must come up with something that isn't a hybrid. The simplest chemical reaction is there, but they just aren't using it. It is as simple as H20 and hydrogen gas. Honestly, all natural sources can work to energize a motor. I've seen it. Please....consider all possibilities also before saying stuff like I don't know what I'm talking about.

I didn't say Japan was a superpower, I just meant it was pretty high ranking in economic stature. I'm sorry for any misunderstandings.

*Note: I may double post if I please.

[EmeraldKnight]

Yes....but there can be so many other nations in which disease is prevalent, not just Mexico.

I already agreed that the disease part was absurd

Yes....scientific standpoint. Yes...I do know what I'm talking about. Yes... I do know that it does affect everyone, not just the U.S., the U.S is getting left behind. Yes....the ozone layer. Take for example the car. It runs on gas....but they are now coming up with hybrids. Still, it isn't quite enough. In order to protect the ozone layer fully, they must come up with a car that doesn't run on gas and in order to save money they must come up with something that isn't a hybrid. The simplest chemical reaction is there, but they just aren't using it. It is as simple as H20 and hydrogen gas. Honestly, all natural sources can work to energize a motor. I've seen it. Please....consider all possibilities also before saying stuff like I don't know what I'm talking about. 

Ok, so simply because our cars can't keep up, the US is going to become a 3rd World Country?

I didn't say Japan was a superpower, I just meant it was pretty high ranking in economic stature. I'm sorry for any misunderstandings.

Right... your exact words:

Btw....Japan is pretty far up there in the superpower matter

*Note: I may double post if I please

Actually, I do believe its against the rules.. would a mod please confirm this for me?

[*Podomaht*]

These are the words from a former mod: Please do not double post.

[LaRevolucion]

Hmm...why is everyone so hung up on double posting? Anyway...there are other factors that may lead up to the U.S. become 3rd world, for example, if Bush was kept as president. Obviously, I'm not going to win this arguement since everyone is being closed minded about the whole deal. But whatever....it's a debate, I suppose.

[EmeraldKnight]

Hmm...why is everyone so hung up on double posting? Anyway...there are other factors that may lead up to the U.S. become 3rd world, for example, if Bush was kept as president. Obviously, I'm not going to win this arguement since everyone is being closed minded about the whole deal. But whatever....it's a debate, I suppose.

1. Double posting contributes to spam
2. Ok, I'll be open minded.. tell me, what exactly are the steps that the US will follow to becoming a 3rd world country?

[lemonlina]

I just know for a fact that the US isn't even allowing in tourists from China because they're afraid they'll illegally immigrate. It's just really the situation in their country. For example, if things are bad in a country, it's more likely that people are going to illegally immigrate from there. And most of them might be uneducated people. I think the US should allow these people to have a chance at living a better life.

[imm]

i dont think anything should be done actually



i believe the world should be this little grassland and the lions and bears and blacks and whites and asians, ect all run free with the wind.


like pochahontas =]

Yup!

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

i think illegal immigrants are vital to our economy. they do all the menial jobs we dont want to do. in my opinion the gov should not ddo anything about them

[LaRevolucion]

Yay! Another person that agrees!

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

Could you imagine yourself in that position. Take a man of mexican decent for example. He crosses the border thinking of his family and all he is leaving behind. The immigrants are willing to dodge bullets to provide a better life for their families. Would you be calling them a good for nothing "wet back" if you had to start from zero. You can't even begin to comprehend. Now why don't you look down to where your feet are planted This U.S. soil that makes you take sh!t for granted If not for Santa Ana, just to let you know That where your feet are planted would be Mexico.

correct me if im wrong

[LaRevolucion]

No...You're totally correct. This used to be Mexico along with Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and some other states that are around the northwestern part of the U.S. When someone tells me to go back where I came from, they're not only ignorant but stupid. First of all I was born here. Second of all, it shows how much they know because this was Mexico. Thanx so much for saying that, fallen fairy!