Enslavement of Blacks. . .the worse? Options

[hotsoup]

The issue of why African Americans/Blacks seem to think that the enslavement of their ancestors was so much more horrible than the enslavement of other people has come up many a time in discussions centered on race and ethnicity. So, I figured I'd just go ahead and start a discussion on the subject. Hopefully, one doesn't already exist.

So, my opinion.

I actually wrote a paper on this very subject last year for a history class I was taking at college. While I argued from an economical stand point in my paper, I think I'll go with the skin color issue here.

Every time I gain some new knowledge, my opinion seems to change, but I believe that the main reason the enslavement of Blacks is considered to be such a heinous crime and held above similar crimes is because it was based almost solely on skin color and the complete domination of an entire race thought to be some how deviant or against God in nature. I'll try to elaborate more on my stance once a discussion picks up.

[*Sandraaa*]

There is no such thing as a better slavery or worse slavery. I'll elaborate later on.

[jesusisthebestth...]

i disagree with sandraa, because one can be enslaved, but be free to travel, earn their own money, marry, and be treated humanely. enslaved africans, however, weren't allowed to marry and were sold on auction blocks...the same auction blocks animals and pieces of furniture were sold on. i believe that the enslavement of africans and their descendants is considered one of the worst forms of slavery simply because african americans (the descendants of these enslaved africans) still suffer from the instition of slavery today, one can cite discrimination, racism, and prejudices.

[*Steven*]

There is no such thing as a better slavery or worse slavery. I'll elaborate later on.

Yes there is. Worse slavery has worse punishments, harsher living conditions, harder work to be done.

Look at the way Romans treated their slaves. The way Japanese treated people they felt weren't people. The way colonial Americans treated blacks. The way we treated the Japanese in internment camps during WWII. The way indentured servants are treated. They all differ in degrees of severity. I don't think that the enslavement of Blacks pre-civil war was more heinous than all of the others. It's simply received the most publicity (not saying that it's a publicity stunt or anything) and they've demanded the most compensation and reparation.

[ClaudelGFX]

I think they are making a big deal of it, because they don't know that during the time, there were slaves almost everywhere on the globe and for sure NOT all of em were Black and nor from Africa, we had slaves in our country too, they were called "Iobagi", meaning the lowest social class.
So when you say slavery/enslavement its not all about Africa and ofcourse its not all about black people.

Make sure you know everything about "slaves" or "slavery" before talking about these things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom
Translated: "Iogab" (my language) = Serfdom = Slave

[*Podomaht*]

it's cause black people complain about it all the time.

[*Sandraaa*]

@ Soeffinmajor and Steven: I honestly do not think that there's such thing as better slavery. You're still a slave, you have a master, you're controlled.

You're right.

it's cause black people complain about it all the time

So if other enslaved races should complain about it all the time, they'll recieve an equal amount of publicity?

[*Steven*]

The more a group complains about something, the more attention it gets. If a different group had been complaining about it for 5 decades I do think they would be getting quite a bit of attention.

[Ington]

Topic post = groundless, the first enslavement of Africans was by Africans. Also, they were the ones who sold them to the 'white man'. Africans have been having tribal warfare with each other and killing each other since it was possible. The prisoners of war were turned into slaves. Many wars were begun for the sole purpose of taking prisoners.

[*Steven*]

But the topic of the argument is the severity of the enslavement and treatment by the white americans as compared to other nations.

[hotsoup]

^Thank you Steven.

I do think the amount of attention that African Americans have received is one of the reasons why people think about it so much. But, in all honesty, the attention has been well deserved because of the struggle for various rights that African Americans have had to go through just to be considered equal human beings.

As far as complaining goes, as much as I hate to say this, a lot of it comes from the older generation with help from the current generation that has picked up on their beliefs. Yes, there still are struggles happening, but they make it seem like if a Black person walks down the wrong side of the street, they're going to get mobbed or lynched. You also have politicians who turn every single event involving a black person and a white person into an issue of race and class.

Addressing the "Blacks sold Blacks into slavery point". Yes, that is true, but it did not happen in America. This entire thread is about slavery and how people perceive it here, in America.

[ClaudelGFX]

I have to agree with Chris Rock, there are 2 types of African Americans, 1 Black and 2 Nigga'.

[hotsoup]

I have to agree with Chris Rock, there are 2 types of African Americans, 1 Black and 2 Nigga'.

So, what exactly are you trying to say?

[ClaudelGFX]

Lets just say Chris Rock is afraid to get out of his house at night cuz of the niggaz :)) got it now?

[brooklyneast05]

Lets just say Chris Rock is afraid to get out of his house at night cuz of the niggaz :)) got it now?

no
how is this relevant to the topic?

[1angel3]

Topic post = groundless, the first enslavement of Africans was by Africans. Also, they were the ones who sold them to the 'white man'. Africans have been having tribal warfare with each other and killing each other since it was possible. The prisoners of war were turned into slaves. Many wars were begun for the sole purpose of taking prisoners.

Yes there was slavery in Africa but America in my opinion had the worst slavery in the history of slavery. Slavery in other parts of the world slavery was taken in many different forms. In African slavery a slave had his own home and land and they wasn't slave all their live, slavery was a form of paying off a loan. African sold slave to the white man because he thought the white man slavery was the same as their slavery. The African was also trick too. And the tribal wars didn't start until the Europeans got involved.

[HoodNigga]

LOL well I think the treatment of African Americans or Blacks is far more worst than any other race here in North America. You take every race into consideration

White , Black , Asian, Hispanic and other, and you tell me who had it worst here in North America. White people even put their own kind to work if they had a drop of black blood in them.

Now as far as worldwide then no, the Jews were almost wiped out by the Nazis, on top of that forms of slavery has existed almost since the beginning of mankind. So in conclusion , in North America yes, and worldwide no.

But the part about black people complaining I LOL at that because the fact of the matter is every race of people complain about some form of unfair treatment. You got people complaining about affirmative action now, about how its not fair to their race. Then you have those who complain about "HOW COME I CAN'T USE THE WORD NIGGA, but you can call me this." I could just as easily start debate topics such as these , but I got better stuff to do then worry about such minuscule things such as these.

[1angel3]

LOL well I think the treatment of African Americans or Blacks is far more worst than any other race here in North America. You take every race into consideration

White , Black , Asian, Hispanic and other, and you tell me who had it worst here in North America. White people even put their own kind to work if they had a drop of black blood in them.

Now as far as worldwide then no, the Jews were almost wiped out by the Nazis, on top of that forms of slavery has existed almost since the beginning of mankind. So in conclusion , in North America yes, and worldwide no.

But the part about black people complaining I LOL at that because the fact of the matter is every race of people complain about some form of unfair treatment. You got people complaining about affirmative action now, about how its not fair to their race. Then you have those who complain about "HOW COME I CAN'T USE THE WORD NIGGA, but you can call me this." I could just as easily start debate topics such as these , but I got better stuff to do then worry about such minuscule things such as these.

Amen I agree. I hear people say black complain too much and yet I'm not the one who started this conversation/topic. I hate that people feels this way.

[*ersatz*]

Yes there was slavery in Africa but America in my opinion had the worst slavery in the history of slavery. Slavery in other parts of the world slavery was taken in many different forms. In African slavery a slave had his own home and land and they wasn't slave all their live, slavery was a form of paying off a loan. African sold slave to the white man because he thought the white man slavery was the same as their slavery. The African was also trick too. And the tribal wars didn't start until the Europeans got involved.

You can't be serious. Do you know about any of the other "slavery times" (not that I should say that, there is perpetually slavery somewhere) that have happened throughout history, throughout the world? Urm, the Holocaust wasn't the only bad thing that happened to Jews, and there was a reason the barbarians had a revolt against the Romans. I could seriously go on and on.

[ClaudelGFX]

Did you know that slavery still exists nowadays? i doubt, you are talking about history and what happen in the past but none of you did anything about it, that's why it started happening again, the history is repeating. You can see only one side and interest, but try to look around you too, and see what happen/s to others too.

''If your choice is to die of starvation in your home country, being a slave in Italy could sound like paradise,''
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_48/b3709046.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/862942.stm

"04 september 2006"
They're at least five thousand people, maybe seven thousand. No one has ever carried out a census. They're all foreigners; all employed as so-called "black workers" the name used to describe illegal, untaxed and underpaid work scams. They are Romanians with or without work permits, Bulgarians, Poles. And Africans: from Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso, Uganda, Senegal, Sudan, and Eritrea. Some have just entered the country illegally on small boats, only a few days ago. They came from Libya because they knew that in the summer they could find work here. It makes no sense to patrol the coasts if Italian businessmen decide to ignore the law.Down here they also ignore the Constitution: articles one, two and three. As well as the Universal Declaration of Rights.

This is just an incredible acticle...
http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio/I%...0Puglia/1373950
http://journalistaward2006.stop-discrimina...sh/IT_Gatti.pdf


"Slavery Debate - 20 March 2007"
http://www.marycreagh.co.uk/index.php?id=494
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"China’s Disabled Children Are Sold Into Slavery As Beggars"
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/...ery-as-beggars/
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"History Repeating"
Speech: Totalitarianism in Romania’s Past and China’s Present
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/...chinas-present/
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"China Slavery Verdict Angers Families- ‘Bigger Fish Off the Hook’"
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/...h-off-the-hook/
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"Slave Labors in China Exploitative Cotton Factory"
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/...cotton-factory/
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"“Arise, ye who refuse to be slaves!” - China National Anthem Says"
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/...al-anthem-says/
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"China Slavery and Organ Harvesting: Are you imaginative enough?"
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/...inative-enough/
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"China Child Slavery Not Limited to Brickyards"
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/...-to-brickyards/
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"I was born a slave" - Matalla tells his story"
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09899560.htm
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"Importing a Slave Class"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20855
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Another great article..
http://www.selvesandothers.org/article11694.html

Like you can see with your own eyes, slavery still exists nowadays, how about we pass talking about past and we concern more about the present?

[*Sandraaa*]

Seriously Suzzette! In my country, we RARELY talk about the Black enslavement except at school in History class. THAT'S IT! So no, not all Blacks feel this way.

The more a group complains about something, the more attention it gets. If a different group had been complaining about it for 5 decades I do think they would be getting quite a bit of attention.

It depends on where you complain. If you are going to complain about the Chinese slavery in Europe, goodluck with that. In Europe we talk more about the Holocaust than anything else. You hear more about the Black slavery because it happened in America. Simple as that.

[*Steven*]

Honestly...where is ANYONE getting this idea that blacks think their enslavement was worse than others?

Where?
Where?
Where?

Blacks as a whole don't. Individual people might. Individual people think different things, should we debate about every single one?

Black slavery happened in AMERICA (yeah, I know it happened in Africa too). Most of us live in AMERICA. The Holocaust was TERRIBLE. But since we live in America and learn about American History, of course we would be more exposed to the enslavement that happened in our own country.

Of course blacks as a whole don't. It's just those noisy individuals who cause all the ruckus and commotion and try to go public with things that get people stereotyping. A few individuals give people bad ideas for an entire race, but that's not saying much for the people who jump to conclusions.

[*Steven*]

Actually I've never heard them claim that black slavery was worse than any other. I meant to type my previous response as a broad generalization for complaining, not necessarily claiming that the noisy individuals claim that black slavery was worse than others.

[ClaudelGFX]

brownsugar and steven, you both have your points and i got em perfectly, but from what i've seen and heard, "Afro-Americans" always threated any kind of this matter to the highest level like they were the only ones whom have suffered and they are the only race that have been disavantaged(sp?) in every way possible. I still see people whom are making fun of Jews, but i doubt any of them knows even a small piece of Jews history, and all things that happen to em during the ages, i bet none of the "Afro-Americans" ever felt what the Jews felt, where slavery is just a piece of cake. And the thing about Jews was only an example, also they don't call Jews white, they call em JEWS, if you get my point.

[brooklyneast05]

i disagree sir

what u've "seen and heard" is wrong then. ive never acted like black people are the only ones who suffered. i don't know any black people who think that nobody else in history has suffered. black people in america talk about black slavery more yes...americans in general talk about black slavery more, because its in our countries history. if we were in a different country, we'd probably be more concerned with slavery in that country.

u still see people who are making fun of jews. i still people making fun of jews, mexicans, black people, asians, irish, EVERYONE STILL GETS MADE FUN OF. it's just how it is when u have ignorant people saying ignorant things. u should watch out, because u sound like one of them, the way u generalize a whole race and say that we are all complaining about how we've suffered more, when that's not the case. individuals complain and say things like that maybe, but the whole african american race doesn't.

i think jews and african americas felt a lot of similar things. both were treated awfully. i don't think any african american denies the fact that the jews suffered, or think that black slavery was "worse". i really have no clue where u get that idea

slavery is not a piece of cake, and i think that's a ridiculous thing to say. the only reason i think ur saying that is because ur thinking the slavery from ur country. u provided a link in an earlier post to information about serfdom saying thats the slavery from ur country. serfdom is NOT the same thing as slavery in america. if u read the link that YOU provided, it even says that serfs often chose to be serfs because they couldn't support themselves and their family. no african chose to be a slave, and they were separated from their children and wives, beaten, sold around like animals, considered less than human. i'm sure slaves in ur country suffered a lot, but going from the link that u urself provided, it's not the same as what happened here. if u disagree then provide a link that supports it better than what u did.

i bet none of the "Afro-Americans" ever felt what the Jews felt, where slavery is just a piece of cake.

how would u know what african american's felt? u don't, so quit assuming something of a whole race of people

[1angel3]

I don't know way people compare Black Slavery and the Holocaust, they're not the same. Slavery was more of an lobar thing and the Holocaust was more of an ethnic cleansing. My friend said Holocaust is worse because they didn't get feed. Why would they feed them, they was trying to wipe out the whole Jewish race.

You can't compare them.

[jesusisthebestth...]

i disagree sir

what u've "seen and heard" is wrong then. ive never acted like black people are the only ones who suffered. i don't know any black people who think that nobody else in history has suffered. black people in america talk about black slavery more yes...americans in general talk about black slavery more, because its in our countries history. if we were in a different country, we'd probably be more concerned with slavery in that country.

u still see people who are making fun of jews. i still people making fun of jews, mexicans, black people, asians, irish, EVERYONE STILL GETS MADE FUN OF. it's just how it is when u have ignorant people saying ignorant things. u should watch out, because u sound like one of them, the way u generalize a whole race and say that we are all complaining about how we've suffered more, when that's not the case. individuals complain and say things like that maybe, but the whole african american race doesn't.

i think jews and african americas felt a lot of similar things. both were treated awfully. i don't think any african american denies the fact that the jews suffered, or think that black slavery was "worse". i really have no clue where u get that idea

i agree...i believe that the enslavement of african americans probably isn't discussed as much in other nations because those countries have their own issues that make their history...the enslavement of african americans and other races cannot be compared to the holocaust.

[*ersatz*]

I don't know way people compare Black Slavery and the Holocaust, they're not the same. Slavery was more of an lobar thing and the Holocaust was more of an ethnic cleansing. My friend said Holocaust is worse because they didn't get feed. Why would they feed them, they was trying to wipe out the whole Jewish race.

You can't compare them.

Well, if you're bent on comparing, then look up Jewish enslavements before the Holocaust.

Anywho, I don't see why anyone's comparing...who cares what's worse? They're all pretty damn bad, and it would be great if there wasn't any at all.

[*Sandraaa*]

brownsugar and steven, you both have your points and i got em perfectly, but from what i've seen and heard, "Afro-Americans" always threated any kind of this matter to the highest level like they were the only ones whom have suffered and they are the only race that have been disavantaged(sp?) in every way possible. I still see people whom are making fun of Jews, but i doubt any of them knows even a small piece of Jews history, and all things that happen to em during the ages, i bet none of the "Afro-Americans" ever felt what the Jews felt, where slavery is just a piece of cake. And the thing about Jews was only an example, also they don't call Jews white, they call em JEWS, if you get my point.

If they want to scream about the slavery, let them. Afterall, it is their race that was enslaved. If the Jews don't want to make any fuss about it, well, so be it. Everyone's got their reaction to every situation. I don't agree though, when 'slavery' becomes an excuse to being a failure in life.

You still see people who make fun of Jews? So what? People make fun of EVERY race, like it or not. It's what we call ... life.

i bet none of the "Afro-Americans" ever felt what the Jews felt, where slavery is just a piece of cake.

YOU BET? Where YOU enslaved? Was your mouth padlocked? Please, can with quit comparing the Holocaust to the Black slavery as they are both different crimes to humanity. NONE is worse.

[ClaudelGFX]

Have the Americans tried to wipeout the entire "Afro-Americans" ? NO, they just used them to work their lands and others things like that, THAT's why YOU CANNOT COMPARE HOLOCAUST with Black slavery, and that's why i've said that Slavery was pretty much a "piece of cake"(figure of speech) compared to the Holocaust.

Dunno who saw the movie Blood Diamond, in that one is shown that the enslavement is made by the same race, and its pretty much similar with what happen in the past... isn't it?

And second i guess its my bad, you got the wrong things out of what i've posted because generally my English sux.

[brooklyneast05]

THAT's why YOU CANNOT COMPARE HOLOCAUST with Black slavery, and that's why i've said that Slavery was pretty much a "piece of cake"(figure of speech) compared to the Holocaust.

then why did u?
ur the one who was comparing them and telling us that no african american has ever felt that, and what a piece of cake one is compared to the other. nobody in this thread had said anything about black slavery being worse than the holocaust

[*Michelle*]

I would just like to point that comparing the Holocaust to slavery in America is slightly relevant. Considering that many of the concentration camps WERE free labor camps, it was a form of "slavery" since they were not really being paid, and they had no more freedom than dogs, kind of like how the Africans were treated in slavery.

The difference comes to the fact that the Holocaust was an attempt to wipe out a certain type of people (which resulted in mass killings) whereas American slavery was an attempt to get cheap, free labor.

[*Sandraaa*]

Michelle, when I say compare, I mean trying to prove that one is worse than the other. It is completely irrelevant and an insult to those who were enslaved and killed. Jewish or Black or whatever.
Comparing is just another childish game of my great grand parents suffered more than yours. Utterly disgusting and ignorant.

Crimes to humanity should never be compared.

[1angel3]

Yeah slavery and the Holocaust have their similarities but I wouldn't compare them.

Well, if you're bent on comparing, then look up Jewish enslavements before the Holocaust.

Anywho, I don't see why anyone's comparing...who cares what's worse? They're all pretty damn bad, and it would be great if there wasn't any at all.

Ok I will and I agree.

[*Michelle*]

Michelle, when I say compare, I mean trying to prove that one is worse than the other. It is completely irrelevant and an insult to those who were enslaved and killed. Jewish or Black or whatever.
Comparing is just another childish game of my great grand parents suffered more than yours. Utterly disgusting and ignorant.

Crimes to humanity should never be compared.

I see. Sorry, I thought that it meant just comparing them in general. But yes, I agree: "Crimes to humanity should never be compared" for the better or the worse.

[*Uronacid*]

"Personally, I just don't care. We're all the same. f**k it, he's got a dick, I have a dick... except... hey... his is bigger... SLAVE!"

dnd that's exactly how it happened.

White people weren't enslaved were they, because that would make me really mad.

[*Steven*]

Sure whites were enslaved, just not popularly called slaves. Serfs/indentured servants if you will.

[Ington]

Serfdom and slavery are close but still different. Slaves are in a class right below serfs.

Serfs were put to work for many different reasons. Some had no money and no skills, and worked for shelter and food or for a certain amount of time to pay off debt (such as in Russia prior to and around WWI). Some were born into the class, and had no way of bettering themselves, such as in manors during the dark ages. However, serfs were not bought or sold to other people like slaves were, they had one lord, and worked for that person for their entire lives, or for the amount of time needed to pay off their debts.

I do admit, however, that in select times in history, slaves were called serfs. However, this was just to make light of their situations.

[jesusisthebestth...]

well, steven is correct, but at the same time, when you say whites were enslaved, those whites who enslaved african americans were never considered slaves themselves. lots of the indentured servants were irish...the irish were the "minority" so to speak. and they were treated badly for being irish, especially when they were irish-catholic

[Ington]

well, steven is correct, but at the same time, when you say whites were enslaved, those whites who enslaved african americans were never considered slaves themselves. lots of the indentured servants were irish...the irish were the "minority" so to speak. and they were treated badly for being irish, especially when they were irish-catholic

True but not true. A lot of serfs were Irish, true. However, the Irish do not make up anywhere near the greater portion of white serfdom.

And obviously the slave owners themselves weren't slaves. What you said is like going into an alcoholics anonymous meeting and saying, "all of the white people in this room have been alcoholics." Of course they were. So were the black, hispanic, and any other race in the room. Black slave owners weren't slaves. Arabic slave owners weren't slaves either. Whoever heard of a slave owning a slave?

[jesusisthebestth...]

Whoever heard of a slave owning a slave?

my point was those who owned slaves were never subjected to or slavery...slavery wasn't an option for them, they were the "forefathers" of the country and therefore would never be eligible for slavery even if they were the minority or owed debts or anything of the such.

[Ington]

I understand perfectly well what you meant, but my point remains nevertheless. Black slave owners weren't eligible to be slaves either. So?

You're concentrating on individuals while we're talking about general populations.

[jesusisthebestth...]

I understand perfectly well what you meant, but my point remains nevertheless. Black slave owners weren't eligible to be slaves either. So?

You're concentrating on individuals while we're talking about general populations.

that's because the topic is about the enslavement of african americans. lol...

[Ington]

We're talking about why the enslavement of african americans is sometimes considered by people as the worst form of slavery. Therefore, you're obviously going to compare it with other races under slavery. That's why your statement is invalid, because it isn't different from any other race.

Createblog debates are dumb.

[jesusisthebestth...]

Createblog debates are dumb.

thats not very nice lol

[*Uronacid*]

thats not very nice lol

Yeah, but unfortunately it's true. lol

Hey guys... what's the meaning of love?

[bat19]

Blacks had it the easiest of all the slaves. Be glad it wasnt a thousand years ago where they would cut off your penis so that you couldnt mate and continue your race. Be glad you werent Jewish and building a pyramid while being whipped for not pushing a four story brick fast enough. Black slaves complained so much. If a Jewish slaved ever complained, their tongue was cut out and put on a pike, next to their penis. If they looked at a Egyptian woman, they're penis scabs were stabbed a bunch of times and their anus holes were burned shut. This was EVERY Jew slave. That only happened to maybe 2% black slaves. Dont even get me started on the Mexican slaves. They were forced to clean so many gas stations and ancient bartering stores called "Wal-Marts"(pronounced Wo`al-Muer-Te~s).
God, the horror. We've come a long way as a civilization from those primitive times of penis butchery and wal-marts.

Love is when you have a "climax" that makes you pass out and wake up hours later with sticky hands.

[*Uronacid*]

Blacks had it the easiest of all the slaves. Be glad it wasnt a thousand years ago where they would cut off your penis so that you couldnt mate and continue your race. Be glad you werent Jewish and building a pyramid while being whipped for not pushing a four story brick fast enough. Black slaves complained so much. If a Jewish slaved ever complained, their tongue was cut out and put on a pike, next to their penis. If they looked at a Egyptian woman, they're penis scabs were stabbed a bunch of times and their anus holes were burned shut. This was EVERY Jew slave. That only happened to maybe 2% black slaves. Dont even get me started on the Mexican slaves. They were forced to clean so many gas stations and ancient bartering stores called "Wal-Marts"(pronounced Wo`al-Muer-Te~s).
God, the horror. We've come a long way as a civilization from those primitive times of penis butchery and wal-marts.

Love is when you have a "climax" that makes you pass out and wake up hours later with sticky hands.

Yeah, we so should have enslaved the Jews. They would have done a better job. We could have had them build us the Statue of Liberty.

[*ersatz*]

Too bad the French built the Statue of Liberty...

[*Uronacid*]

Too bad the French built the Statue of Liberty...

Yeah, we could have had the Jews do it.

[Ington]

You don't have to compare the Holocaust to African slavery, you can compare the entire Jewish history to it. Jewish people were enslaved everywhere they went, so take your pick. Which period was most similar?

[*Uronacid*]

You don't have to compare the Holocaust to African slavery, you can compare the entire Jewish history to it. Jewish people were enslaved everywhere they went, so take your pick. Which period was most similar?

The part with the Egyptians. They did a much better job than Brown people did. I never saw any Brown people build pyramids. If the Egyptians only made Jewish people pick cotton, they probably would have wanted to be slaves. Brown people had it easy. We didn't make them build 150+ foot tall triangles with 4 story bricks.

Seriously... For those of you browns who still think you feel the whip, you need to stop your bitchin.

[sheridan_whitesi...]

Rather then tell you that the pyramids were built about 1500 years before Jewish enslavement in Egypt, I'm going to say that the last post was hilarious and in no way made me cringe every time you tried to get a laugh.

[*Uronacid*]

Rather then tell you that the pyramids were built about 1500 years before Jewish enslavement in Egypt, I'm going to say that the last post was hilarious and in no way made me cringe every time you tried to get a laugh.

haha, thanks XD

[ReggieM]

i dont even think about slavery until i read a topic like this or im in history class talking about it. I dont give a fcuk about it now unless someone brings its up.Why is cb so gay.

[*Uronacid*]

i dont even think about slavery until i read a topic like this or im in history class talking about it. I dont give a fcuk about it now unless someone brings its up.Why is cb so gay.

Fuck you, join the bitching.

[ReggieM]

make me muahahahah

[faydedprimadonna]

personally, i am SO sick of hearing all the bitching and moaning about it... slaves were a prepackaged product bought in africa from africans... and it's been like 160 years since the abolition movement! how long does it take to get your act together and move on? aside from a history lesson, slavery is nothing more than a crutch at this point... an excuse to get a leg up based on the color of your skin... if you all wanted to be "equal" so badly, start acting like it!!

[*Uronacid*]

make me muahahahah

HAha, I like you. You know how to take a joke. LMAO

[ReggieM]

<3

[hotsoup]

personally, i am SO sick of hearing all the bitching and moaning about it... slaves were a prepackaged product bought in africa from africans... and it's been like 160 years since the abolition movement! how long does it take to get your act together and move on? aside from a history lesson, slavery is nothing more than a crutch at this point... an excuse to get a leg up based on the color of your skin... if you all wanted to be "equal" so badly, start acting like it!!

Thoughts like these are the main reason so many people, including myself sometimes, create discussions like this. To my knowledge, no one here is using slavery as a crutch. Furthermore, if they are, and are allowed to get away with it by whoever is accepting that as their excuse, then they both need their asses kicked.

There's nothing wrong with discussing a culturally, historically, etc. relevant subject. This is a discussion, not an excuse. You might as well say you're tired of hearing people talk about women's rights or abortion rights. The reason people discuss a subject so much is to try to change something they find not quite right about it. If you just want to bitch and moan about people discussing a topic you're uncomfortable with or even fed up with, then feel free to not discuss it and move on.

[faydedprimadonna]

i'm talking about in REAL LIFE... not cyber life... and the point of posting debates such as this, is to explore other people's perspectives... i gave my perspective... thus continuing the cycle of the debate... i thought that what was it was here for... my bad

[LoveDanceSoul]

Did you guys know that African American slaves werent allowed to marry, look a white person in the eye, they were torn from families, stripped of their culture & language, raped, beaten, weren't allowed to read, and so on. Freedom for them was just the ability to not work on the plantations. Most freed slaves were still poor and discriminated against terribly. It is definitely has been the worst form of slavery in the modern age, and it is also has the most publicity because of the fact that it ended most recently and was institutionalized ever since the birth of America...supposedly the land of the "free". Slavery really isnt considered a crutch because most black people dont mention it on a daily basis. Slavery played a major role in American History, and therefore it needs to be taught along with the other events that took place in american history. The after affects of it are still existant today [racism, negative stereotypes, discrimination]. No one is complaining, its just that you have to open your eyes and face the facts.

[hotsoup]

i'm talking about in REAL LIFE... not cyber life... and the point of posting debates such as this, is to explore other people's perspectives... i gave my perspective... thus continuing the cycle of the debate... i thought that what was it was here for... my bad

First, I would like to apologize for taking so long to get back to you.

Ok, I'm not exactly sure why you felt the need to highlight "real life". It almost seems as if you're trying to say that discussions like these only occur on the internet, which I'm somewhat certain you did not mean to imply.

And I honestly don't feel as if you gave a perspective. To me it felt like you were voicing your frustration over the very need to talk about the issue period and therefore not moving the debate/discussion forward in any way.

[faydedprimadonna]

First, I would like to apologize for taking so long to get back to you.

Ok, I'm not exactly sure why you felt the need to highlight "real life". It almost seems as if you're trying to say that discussions like these only occur on the internet, which I'm somewhat certain you did not mean to imply.

And I honestly don't feel as if you gave a perspective. To me it felt like you were voicing your frustration over the very need to talk about the issue period and therefore not moving the debate/discussion forward in any way.

more often than not, i find that "real life" conversations on the subject aren't really same as they are online... they do happen, but with less frequency and more tact... at least in my experience anyway

you may be right about the lack of perspective though... after reading some of the posts i think i just went on a ranting rampage... i have a tendency to lose sight of my original goal when agitated...

i apologize for my lack of perspective... next time i go on a tear, i'll definately stay on topic

[*Uronacid*]

Did you guys know that African American slaves werent allowed to marry, look a white person in the eye, they were torn from families, stripped of their culture & language, raped, beaten, weren't allowed to read, and so on. Freedom for them was just the ability to not work on the plantations. Most freed slaves were still poor and discriminated against terribly. It is definitely has been the worst form of slavery in the modern age, and it is also has the most publicity because of the fact that it ended most recently and was institutionalized ever since the birth of America...supposedly the land of the "free". Slavery really isnt considered a crutch because most black people dont mention it on a daily basis. Slavery played a major role in American History, and therefore it needs to be taught along with the other events that took place in american history. The after affects of it are still existant today [racism, negative stereotypes, discrimination]. No one is complaining, its just that you have to open your eyes and face the facts.

I hope you didn't look me in the eye when you said that... if you did I'm going to make you say your name while I whip you.

YOUR NAME IS TOBY!!

*CRACK!*

[*Podomaht*]

I'm waiting for brownshitgar to close this thread for being rascist.

I hate black people who complain for shits about how they had ' it the worst, ' or how they're somehow justified in bitching about it.

[LoveDanceSoul]

Hah, Podomaht..i doubt you even know any black people. Most racist people (even my grandfather) are completely ignorant of others. They're just quick to judge someone and force negative stereotypes on others as a way to excuse unjustified guilt. He even said that himself. He was a klansman who didnt even understand why he was so angry & hateful..and he had guilt for the things black people suffered during his early life. Nobody really bitches about that stuff anyway. Im just glad i grew up around a diverse group of people so i have a true understanding of others.

[hotsoup]

more often than not, i find that "real life" conversations on the subject aren't really same as they are online... they do happen, but with less frequency and more tact... at least in my experience anyway

you may be right about the lack of perspective though... after reading some of the posts i think i just went on a ranting rampage... i have a tendency to lose sight of my original goal when agitated...

i apologize for my lack of perspective... next time i go on a tear, i'll definately stay on topic

No problem. It happens sometimes.

I definitely agree with you. Sometimes it's very hard to have an actual discussion on a subject because some people just don't know how. You have to understand that when you go into a discussion, you should prepared to be just a bit offended at least once. It's going to happen because not every one has the same views/opinions that you do and sometimes it is necessary to educate someone on something that , at least in their mind, has never had an influence on them.

[EmoEyelinerx]

So if other enslaved races should complain about it all the time, they'll recieve an equal amount of publicity?

Exactly.