Here's some f**king feedback Options

[sadolakced acid]

deleting applications for mod is a pretty shitty thing to do.

[*alovesopure*]

What application was deleted?

[heyyfrankie]

!!!

wtf? *goes & looksss*

[1angel3]

What application was deleted?

That's what I wanna know

[*Elba*]

He applied this past hour and someone deleted it. He applied again.

[1angel3]

Oh ok. Yeah that's messed up.

[*alovesopure*]

^2x (To Elba) Ahhh, okay. I see.

^1x Go read the quote in his new application. They didn't just delete it and not tell him, they stated their reason.

"you need to post what at least resembles an application."

If you're going to apply for staff, you should have a decent/real application.
And ask for a position that we actually have.
But even though it has been deleted, I believe admins can retrieve it.

[*digitalfragrance*]

...because his post wasn't an application. And in the title post, it says posts that are not applications are goign to be deleted.

Poop Kara beat me.

[sadolakced acid]

It's as much an application as the shit other people post.

[1angel3]

^1x Go read the quote in his new application. They didn't just delete it and not tell him, they stated their reason.

Yeah I just went to read it.

[sadolakced acid]

the instructions also say to post only one paragraph about how you'll change CB.

show me one fucking application that does that, will you?

[sadolakced acid]

so if i go look at the applications page there should be five applications, and the rest deleted, right?

and as for why i applied for interests mod, to make a point. I always apply for interests mod anyways.

and no, "i'll the the same shit the current mods do" does not count as changing cB, if you're asking me.

[heyyfrankie]

in my mind, i just interpreted the ONE PARAGRAPH statement as a way for us to know not to write a novel.

[sadolakced acid]

well i interpreted the whole "posts that aren't applications will be deleted" as a way to let us know that spam would be deleted.

[heyyfrankie]

^ okay.
..and?

[sadolakced acid]

they fucking deleted my application, did they delete yours?

Just because mine was consise doesn't mean it wasn't an application.

no one follows the bullshit rules in the first post.

I mean come on, some people don't meet the minimum requirements to be mods, and you don't delete thier applications.

oh my fucking god. I don't know why kryo still has hope for you guys. Anyways, it's fucking two AM, i'm going to bed.

two bucks says this is deleted or closed by the time i wake up.

[heyyfrankie]

they fucking deleted my application, did they delete yours?
Just because mine was consise doesn't mean it wasn't an application.
no one follows the bullshit rules in the first post.
I mean come on, some people don't meet the minimum requirements to be mods, and you don't delete thier applications.
oh my fucking god. I don't know why kryo still has hope for you guys. Anyways, it's fucking two AM, i'm going to bed.
two bucks says this is deleted or closed by the time i wake up.

In the moderators' defense, the topic says to "tell us how YOU can make an impact and improve CB".
"Make me f**king intersts mod, bitches!" does no such thing.

[*alovesopure*]

Make me f**king intersts mod, bitches!

Hell yea!

I fail to see how that is a real application.

In ONE paragraph, tell us how YOU can make an impact and improve CB.

...

edit: Dang, Frankie beat me to it. hahaha

[freeflow]

Even if this is closed/deleted. Its pointless. So far nothing has came out of this thread besides the fact that you're mad that your two line post got deleted. ..

[sadolakced acid]

However, Fae brings up an excellent point -- someone mod Debate forum please? (Maybe the other Interests forums need a look-over as well but I don't go in there so I don't know.)

We need an intersts mod anyways.

And seriously. If you think all that's come from this thread is that I'm pissed about two lines being deleted, I'll have to question your intellegence.

[brooklyneast05]

We need an intersts mod anyways.

And seriously. If you think all that's come from this thread is that I'm pissed about two lines being deleted, I'll have to question your intellegence.

what are u like 12?
how could u think that ur two lines were actually going to stay there and not be deleted?
all thats come out of this thread is u making urself look ridiculous
i don't get how u thought this was a good idea

[*kryogenix*]

what are u like 12?
how could u think that ur two lines were actually going to stay there and not be deleted?
all thats come out of this thread is u making urself look ridiculous
i don't get how u thought this was a good idea

lol irony

[reeenana]

lol irony

what's ironic about that?

[*kryogenix*]

...Calling someone 12 years old while using "u" and "urself."

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

mine almost got deleted, as well.

[reeenana]

...Calling someone 12 years old while using "u" and "urself."

the reason he's implying that sadolakced acid is acting similar to a 12 year old has nothing to do with him typing "you" as "u" or anything else having to do with his grammar skills. sadolakced acid's choice of words were vulgar and simple minded. complaining about one sentence being deleted, and in that context, is pointless and childish. just like alovesopure said, if ur going to apply for staff, u should have an appropriate application.

i know u know that this is the internet and internet slang is used. u said urself "LOL" . now is that childish? certainly not; half the world uses "lol" while in conversation with another online. ur contradicting urself.

[sadolakced acid]

Of course, none of you so far have been smart enough to read my second application, which more than explains how the first one was a proper application.

At least, none of you have shown it.

[brooklyneast05]

Of course, none of you so far have been smart enough to read my second application, which more than explains how the first one was a proper application.

At least, none of you have shown it.

no i actually read it earlier
it was longer than the first, good job

[*kryogenix*]

the reason he's implying that sadolakced acid is acting similar to a 12 year old has nothing to do with him typing "you" as "u" or anything else having to do with his grammar skills. sadolakced acid's choice of words were vulgar and simple minded. complaining about one sentence being deleted, and in that context, is pointless and childish. just like alovesopure said, if ur going to apply for staff, u should have an appropriate application.

i know u know that this is the internet and internet slang is used. u said urself "LOL" . now is that childish? certainly not; half the world uses "lol" while in conversation with another online. ur contradicting urself.

ROFLCOPTER LOL HAX U NUB 1337 SK1LLZ PR0PZ GG

Seriously this is like the joke that just doesn't stop being funny. Thank you createblog for making me laugh.

[sadolakced acid]

LOL @ acid. I doubt you'll find any respectable job with that attitude. Here's a tip: Work at acquiring the position first before introducing these ideas in such a way which may be passed off as ludicrous. You may just end up like that guy from Live Free or Die Hard ....

I worked this job before. That's the point. They didn't listen then when i said make forum specific mods, but now they think they might need those.

make me interests mod, bitches means listen to what I say, then cB'll change.

[brooklyneast05]

make me interests mod, bitches means listen to what I say, then cB'll change.

why didn't u just say that the first time around instead of make me an interest mod bitches ?

[sadolakced acid]

because the old mods would understand "make me f**king interests mod, bitches" better.

[brooklyneast05]

because the old mods would understand "make me f**king interests mod, bitches" better.

well it didn't work out so good for u huh?
it got deleted whether they understood it or not
and probably made u look bad to mods who aren't "old mods"

good luck with the whole interest mod thing

[*ersatz*]

I don't think we should need them. That's ridiculous. If the people who are supposed to be modding them would just DO IT, it wouldn't be a problem. Hopefully the new crop of mods will make some motivation.

[*davinci*]

Allow me to offer some Feedback.

Let's go over some things i suggested in the past that were ignored, but are now once again in consideration.

1. Mods for specific forums in community center.
2. Support for layouts for more sites.
3. Forum Reorganization.

So what I need is access to backstage so I can tell you guys what needs to be done. Oh, why can't I do it through feedback? Because it doesn't work. We've seen that already. You guys don't listen to me.

1. Ignored? No, it was certainly discussed. Multiple times. The problem was that some wanted it and others didn't. But it wouldn't hurt to try it.

2. CB now supports hi5, Friendster, and Wordpress themes. By the way, you seem to have forgotten that Ju-Sun holds control over this.

3. Again, can't do this without Ju-Sun. There's been general support for a forum reorganization for the Community Center. If you bothers you that much, PM him. I don't understand why you're bitching so much at the mods about this.

Really? Try communicating in a manner that will make people WANT to understand what you have to say.

[*kryogenix*]

I don't think we should need them. That's ridiculous. If the people who are supposed to be modding them would just DO IT, it wouldn't be a problem. Hopefully the new crop of mods will make some motivation.

So you admit the mods were doing a shitty job.

[*tripvertigo*]

the reason he's implying that sadolakced acid is acting similar to a 12 year old has nothing to do with him typing "you" as "u" or anything else having to do with his grammar skills. sadolakced acid's choice of words were vulgar and simple minded. complaining about one sentence being deleted, and in that context, is pointless and childish. just like alovesopure said, if ur going to apply for staff, u should have an appropriate application.

i know u know that this is the internet and internet slang is used. u said urself "LOL" . now is that childish? certainly not; half the world uses "lol" while in conversation with another online. ur contradicting urself.

work on your reading comprehension and then read Kryo's post again. Seriously people. It's like we have to resort to typing lyk dis b4 u understand nething we write here.

[brooklyneast05]

work on your reading comprehension.

made sense to me



bullshit
someone writing the word you as "u" is not hard to understand


iTs NaWt Lyk3 D1s..

[*tripvertigo*]

i editted my post. i was saying she didnt interpret his post correctly.

[brooklyneast05]

i editted my post. i was saying she didnt interpret his post correctly.

what didn't she get?

the person who started this topic was bitching and whining about their own stupid move on their application
and i said it was childish to do so
and then it's supposedly ironic because i'm calling someone childish for bitching and whining yet i type you as "u" (that's what i interpreted kryo as meaning)
and she didn't see how my spelling of the word you mattered

i guess we both interpreted it wrong

[*ersatz*]

So you admit the mods were doing a shitty job.

I think that the staff team on a whole is not doing as well as they should be in the covering Interests forum thing, yes. I think we all agree on that. That's why there's been so many arguments Backstage and in Feedback on what to do about it.

[*Michelle*]

I thought "how you would change cB" was just a theme to write your application paragraph along... I mean, most of us put how we would make some sort of impact or improvement on cB, which is a change, anyways. shrug*

[reeenana]

i editted my post. i was saying she didnt interpret his post correctly.

so then how else would u interpret kyro saying that it's ironic that brooklyneast is calling someone 12 years old while using "u" and "urself" ?

this whole thing was about the fact that typing "u" instead of "you" doesnt mean someone is acting like a 12 year old, as kyro implied. and if in fact he was implying this, like i took it to be, then clearly u dont know what ur talking about.

and my reading comprehension is just fine thanks.

[*tripvertigo*]

the reason he's implying that sadolakced acid is acting similar to a 12 year old has nothing to do with him typing "you" as "u" or anything else having to do with his grammar skills. sadolakced acid's choice of words were vulgar and simple minded

Let me clarify what I meant when I said you need to work on comprehension.

nevermind. i was typing it out, but then i realized its not worth my time.

[1angel3]

Y'all fight over the silliest things

[brooklyneast05]

Let me clarify what I meant when I said you need to work on comprehension.

nevermind. i was typing it out, but then i realized its not worth my time.

good
we were expecting and excuse instead of an explanation

[*tripvertigo*]

you just keep reading what i quoted and what was written a few times until you get my point.

practice makes perfect =)

[brooklyneast05]

you just keep reading what i quoted and what was written a few times until you get my point.

practice makes perfect =)

sure

[heyyfrankie]

just stop. she's gonna win.

ALDJFALJDLADFHAHAHAHAHAHAHROFL

[*tripvertigo*]

the reason he's implying that sadolakced acid is acting similar to a 12 year old has nothing to do with him typing "you" as "u" or anything else having to do with his grammar skills.

obviously. because sadolkced acid DOESNT type like that.

[brooklyneast05]

obviously. because sadolkced acid DOESNT type like that.

she didn't say he typed like that. or at least that's not what she meant, if thats how u took it. she meant that we didn't think it was very ironic, because we don't think the spelling of the word you matters, or makes anyone childish

he was still acting stupid and throwing a fit no matter how i spelled the word

[*tripvertigo*]

are you people retarded?

[*Mercy*]

Can we please stay on topic?

We can find out whos retarded over things like PM's or AIM.But then again if one was really really retarded would they know what those are?

*Sorry over thinking again*

[brooklyneast05]

are you people retarded?

no
we don't think what ur saying makes sense, and u don't think what we're saying makes sense.
the end



the topics basically over i think

everyone so far seems in agreement that "make me a f**cking interest mod bitches!" isn't a proper application, and sadolakced acid wasted their time by applying with that

[sadolakced acid]

Allow me to offer some Feedback.
1. Ignored? No, it was certainly discussed. Multiple times. The problem was that some wanted it and others didn't. But it wouldn't hurt to try it.

It was brought up multiple times be me. I applied for interests mod 3 times in the past, I believe. I argued that although all mods may not like the idea it would mean that all forums would get overview, and if a forum wasn't receiving moderation there would be accountability, instead of "please everyone mod the interests forum". Each time I was told that the mods didn't like the idea and would I please shut up about it. Now that the problems I forsaw are happening, dedicated forum mods have been suggested, leading the the phrase "make me f**king interests mod, bitches"

2. CB now supports hi5, Friendster, and Wordpress themes. By the way, you seem to have forgotten that Ju-Sun holds control over this.

Yes. It does. But back when it only supported xanga myspace livejournal and blogger, I suggested that we make a forms to submit layouts for other sites no matter how small they were. The mods told me there was no need, and that it was a shitty idea. Then later Ju-Sun decides that this needs to be done. So, once again, the mods should have listened to me.

3. Again, can't do this without Ju-Sun. There's been general support for a forum reorganization for the Community Center. If you bothers you that much, PM him. I don't understand why you're bitching so much at the mods about this.

Once again, I suggested this a while ago, There was some support for it (as well as some people saying it was pointless), but then it fell to the bottom of feedback. Without a mod championing it, nothing happened. But Ju-Sun himself has requested that new forum layouts be proposed now. The lesson? Listen to me.

Really? Try communicating in a manner that will make people WANT to understand what you have to say.

"make me f**king interests mod, bitches" was supposed to be an ironic commentary to the old mods, most of who are my friends, as well as a test for how power-hungry mods have become. Just had to see what kryo was describing for myself.

[sadolakced acid]

who says i don't want to be staff?

But really, do i have a chance at getting on staff even with a suckup application?

Sure, I've got experience, but i'm way too close to kryo, a lot of the mods don't know me (they even deleted my application!), and apparently i don't have a feel for the community.

Seriously, make me staff. f**k it, just make me a damn advisor if you want. But you have to admit, even though my ideas about how to do things aren't popular when i suggest them, they're actually pretty good ideas and it would be a good thing to follow them.

[*kryogenix*]

You are demanding that people promote you, with no real reasons to support yourself. If you can't support yourself, why should we support you?

Do not use the excuse that you're close with Kryo...that's just a cheap shot, and it doesn't even matter. Instead, think of the fact that you just recently came back out of no where, you haven't had the best attitude and you have been insulting the staff team. If you don't support us, why should we support you?

What an awful argument. That's like saying a person who criticizes the government should not be allowed to run for a position in government.

By the way, still waiting for someone to answer in the kryo thread.

[sadolakced acid]

Because I don't honestly believe you guys would make me staff even if I did all that shit. Plus, i don't want to support the moderators. I don't approve of how they're operating right now. I want it to change, which is why I want a staff position. Why shouldn't I insult the mod team? They're doing a shitty job. You all know it. That's why you're hiring. Need some new blood. Some people who will go mod the interests forum, do the work that you're all too lazy or too busy to do yourselves. But after a few months you'll be screwed because they'll lose interest as well.

besides, when is the text in the application actually considered? I mean, we all know it's just who the mods know well enough to trust. Which means, usually their friends.

And of course i don't have the best attitude. This place is shit. I don't like shit.

Face it, you guys have problems, I have answers.

[*kryogenix*]

You mean as opposed to having an account handed to you when the mods abuse their power and create drama over an April Fools joke to put someone on staff?

[sadolakced acid]

[quote]You simply want the position to handed to you, based on possibly empty promises and the fact that you have a three year old account and old friends.quote]

I'm not actually expecting a position handed to me. You guys are wayyy to protective of your power to do that.

But yes. Basically. I mean, it's not like cB can get much worse.

[*kryogenix*]

Yeah, as opposed to that.

Kick her off staff now.

[sadolakced acid]

wait, you guys actually read the applications?

[sadolakced acid]

they could just hire thier friends.

I doubt we'd see much difference.

[brooklyneast05]

I doubt we'd see much difference.

yea well, same goes for u

[sadolakced acid]

and none of the new people will be made staff.

if they are the older people will bitch about it till they quit.

[*tripvertigo*]

um not really. you can like a person without them being at all qualified to do the job.

the same thing applies to someone you might NOT like.

[sadolakced acid]

what the f**k is an exceptionally qualified member?

would that be... someone who's be a mod before?

or someone that a lot of the staff is friends with.

[*kryogenix*]

So basically members that participate in the CB Chat circle jerk right?

[*kryogenix*]

James, why would you say that? It's already been stated how members can be exceptionally qualified.

I don't think that a member has to do anything with the CBC...

The mods that are going to be hired are going to be those people that exemplify what type of people the administration thinks this site needs.

[*ersatz*]

I also remember some "chat people" applying and being opposed by almost, if not every, staff member. Not everyone is friends with everyone... I'm certainly not in the "chat people" group; in fact, I'm fairly certain they don't like me.

I'm not really friends with anyone on Createblog. I don't speak to anyone outside the forums. So, personally, any opinions I may have on who should or should not be on staff is based solely on the qualities they display in their posts and actions...not bias...because it's not even possible since I'm not friends with anyone.

[illriginal]

And it starts to crash down

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

Yeah chat people in the past DEFINITELY have not been the most likely to be hired..

robbi was

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

Robbi is definitely not a chat regular. I don't think she ever has been.

i do believe she used to be when she ran around with steven's posse. oh man, it was fun looking back on some of her posts the other day.

[*kryogenix*]

lol. robbi would be there when I stopped by the chat and even started talking to me. That diarrhea girl was there consistently too and she's a mod. Arjuna was there a lot as well, though he's one of the mods I really don't have a problem with. Maybe there were more mods but I couldn't identify their names and the name changes have been rather confusing.

CB Chat Circlejerk is just a more convenient way of referring to it. It's the main circlejerking clique that is dominating CB right now and based on my observations, CB Chat was at one point central to it.

[*kryogenix*]

No, there wasn't.

The only cB chat regulars that are moderators are me and Arjuna. Diana maybe. Robbi, not at all.

I still don't get your point..people on cB chat are completely different than cB. They are two completely different things. It's just a chat room..we all happen to know each other from createBlog. They definitely don't get favored in the hiring process.

Considering that's two out of three head staff, I don't think it's something you can ignore. And don't deny that the circle jerk exists. You're living proof.

[Spirited Away]

I didn't finish reading the whole thread because I noticed that quite a few comments like "why don't you bitch to Jusun instead of mods because that's not our job" were being repeated and I want to address that.

Fact: Jusun is rarely around because he does background work.
Fact: Jusun trusts moderators to carry out everyday tasks including making this forum more enjoyable for members.
Fact: Jusun said many times that he respects the moderating team.
Fact: Jusun has implemented a few suggestions made by members that were ignored by moderators.

For cB to be a great place for everyone, everyone needs to chip in. Members do that by providing ideas/feedback and participation. If a mod sees a great idea being toss around, why not give the member a little more credibility by mentioning the idea to Jusun (he respects you guys, remember)?

In the end it's up to the big guy to implement any changes, but it's nicer to say "I told Jusun about the idea, but I'm not sure if he'll try anything", than to say "why are you telling us this, tell Jusun".

Not only are you guys providing a supportive environment, it's also "enjoyable" to know that legitimate ideas get taken seriously.

No, I'm not telling anyone how to perform his/her jobs, I'm just telling you guys that saying "it's not up to us so go bother Jusun" is not doing your job either.

[*ersatz*]

Most if not all of the time, there's a thread made Backstage to discuss every idea proposed in Feedback. If all the mods end up being against it, I mean...they don't bother Jusun about it. But if everyone ends up saying, "Yeah, great idea!", Jusun IS PMed, just, more often than not, it takes a while. I don't think I personally have ever said, "It's not up to me; ask Jusun", so I can't speak on that part.

And the whole headstaff as chat people thing is completely a coincidence. I am completely serious when I say that chat people are not automatically hired. Maybe back in the day, when the chat consisted of all the active people on the site, but not now. A lot of them have had quite enough of their share of rule-breaking so...(not trying to be mean to them either, as they have backed off since then, but it did happen).

[Spirited Away]

Oh, there's a thread backstage, that's nice. If it's a legitimate idea, why not bother Jusun about it and let him decide? I mean, we don't see that many legit suggestions anyway, so I don't think Jusun would mind all that much. I get that mods filter out bad suggestions, but sometimes the semi-good is thrown out just because of the way the member present it even though it could be good for cB.

Finally, if a legit idea gets shot down, someone should explain why, nicely (then firmly if the member persists). I don't know if this is being done, but it should so that the member wouldn't be discouraged to voice another idea the next time.

I just think "I/we told Jusun about the idea, but I'm not sure if he'll try anything" is better than "sorry, the mods all think that it's a bad idea so... NEXT!". I wanna be picky, but I don't think that kind of response should garner any respect from anyone.

I'm speaking hypothetically half of the time so I'm not saying this is hapenning exactly, I'm just hoping that it's not the case.

[sadolakced acid]

I wonder if jusun himself ever vetoed the specific mods for specific forums idea?

[sadolakced acid]

at this point you need both an infusion of new mods and the assigned forums system for this to work.

which basically means you need to hold applications for specific forum mods.

[*tripvertigo*]

i dont think he's ONLY referring to chat people at this point, he's referring to the main clique on cb.

[*davinci*]

I didn't finish reading the whole thread because I noticed that quite a few comments like "why don't you bitch to Jusun instead of mods because that's not our job" were being repeated and I want to address that.

Fact: Jusun is rarely around because he does background work.
Fact: Jusun trusts moderators to carry out everyday tasks including making this forum more enjoyable for members.
Fact: Jusun said many times that he respects the moderating team.
Fact: Jusun has implemented a few suggestions made by members that were ignored by moderators.

For cB to be a great place for everyone, everyone needs to chip in. Members do that by providing ideas/feedback and participation. If a mod sees a great idea being toss around, why not give the member a little more credibility by mentioning the idea to Jusun (he respects you guys, remember)?

In the end it's up to the big guy to implement any changes, but it's nicer to say "I told Jusun about the idea, but I'm not sure if he'll try anything", than to say "why are you telling us this, tell Jusun".

Not only are you guys providing a supportive environment, it's also "enjoyable" to know that legitimate ideas get taken seriously.

No, I'm not telling anyone how to perform his/her jobs, I'm just telling you guys that saying "it's not up to us so go bother Jusun" is not doing your job either.

I said that in my post so I'll respond.

Like Sammi said, threads are made Backstage. I remember I'd constantly give Ju-Sun long lists of threads or concerns that were worth looking over. If it's something he needs to be aware of, he's sent a PM. (Obviously as I'm not an admin, I don't know how often they communicate with Ju-Sun.) However, most aren't 'everyday tasks' so those that are out of the admins' hands are sent to Ju-Sun. Even it's not up to the mods, the mods are the ones sending the message to Ju-Sun so it's not as though any legitimate ideas are being completely shot down. Though I agree that when responding to the members, posts could be worded a bit better.

As for hiring people from CBC, that is REALLY funny. Who gives a damn about what you do in CBC? How you present yourself on the forums is what matters. Were Diana and Arjuna both part of the main CB clique when they were hired? I don't remember that.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

Trish, at the moment, the main clique on cB seem to be complaining very vocally in Feedback, and also sem to think that they're beig discriminated against. So that would seem unlikely.

[*Kathleen*]

Trish, at the moment, the main clique on cB seem to be complaining very vocally in Feedback, and also sem to think that they're beig discriminated against. So that would seem unlikely.

The main clique on this forum consists of a bunch of ass-kissers. The people that are complaining are the rebels.

I'm proud to be a rebel, thank you very much *cough* That should be Mentor *cough*.

[*ersatz*]

Do we even have a main clique anymore? I think there's too many people; there's several "cliques"...too bad I'm not in one of them.

Better question, why does it matter who the main clique is?

[*Steven*]

We's gotsta fight for our e-territory!

[*Kathleen*]

Do we even have a main clique anymore? I think there's too many people; there's several "cliques"...too bad I'm not in one of them.

Better question, why does it matter who the main clique is?

*there are

The problem is the fact that no one out of the main clique has as good of a chance at getting hired as those that are.

[*digitalfragrance*]

^ How do you know? What can you base that off of?

[*ersatz*]

Alright, but since the main clique is bound to consist of active members...like...to be expected. If those are the people you see...

And uh...I don't think that's a new development, either. I'm pretty sure I, myself, was modded solely on the fact that I was friends with the people who were mods, heh. So if that's being used to criticize the "new mods"...doesn't work.

Moving on.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

*there are

The problem is the fact that no one out of the main clique has as good of a chance at getting hired as those that are.

You're seeing exactly what you want to see. Nothing more, and nothing less.

And no, people who are constantly rude, obnoxious and unpleasant don't often get hired. Show me a job outside of American Idol where those traits would come in handy, and I'll treat you as if you're doing more than self-pitying. Until then, forgive me if I don't actually see that you have a point.

[sadolakced acid]

you forgot the biggest clique of all. Moderators.

they have their own f**king secret clubhouse, god damn it!

[*superstitious*]

Before I do anything else, I would like to apologize for not responding in this particular topic sooner. Long story short, I just moved (again) and there is far too much detail regarding the move than I would rather post in public. At any rate, here I am and I will slowly do my best to catch up with everything that has been going on the past few days.

I will also apologize for any spelling, grammar, sentence structure, comma usage, et al, ahead of time.

Now, to address a couple of things -

This (in part, I realize that there is a "bigger" picture here) topic was started because someone was angry with me because I deleted their application. Thing is, I thought I had made it clear in the original post that anything that wasn't an application would get deleted. Sure there were folks that didn't meet the requirements but there was also a caveat to those requirements for those who may be exceptionally qualified. Your application wasn't the only one deleted and a few didn't get the courtesy of a PM letting them know that their application would be deleted. I did my best, but at the time I had several things going on personally, including my aforementioned move.

I wish you had responded to the PM I sent you because I honestly meant no harm. I was doing what I would have done no matter who had posted that way. (Akward sentence, my apologies)

As far as having Forum specific moderators go, that has been discussed, rediscussed and discussed some more. Yes, it's frustrating when people keep talking and talking with nothing happening as a result.

Bottom line, as of the here and now is that there isn't an "interest" staff position open. Forget that it doesn't exist (yet, it's not a terrible idea at all), there isn't an opening for it.

Perhaps after we get through this next hiring session, which should be very soon we can see some of these ideas actually happen.

The clique thing? Well, I've never really been a part of any clique. I never go to CBC. I can see how one might feel separated though. Meaning, there are times when people chat in there, bring some of that chat to the forums and I have no clue what the heck is going on. It's a little of that outsider looking in type feeling. I just don't let it get to me. How that relates to hiring is that you can be assured that CBC will have NOTHING to do with any decision I will make because I'm never there. The mods really aren't a clique. We're like a work group, but not a clique. I'm not sure if it's cool of me to say this or not, but honestly, I'm like an old lady Backstage. I only post site related replies back there. When I think of a clique, I think of a group of people that are really close in their personal lives (well, e-lives in this case) and although I feel like for the most part there is mutual respect and a good working relationship between staff members, I wouldn't consider it a clique. Then again, maybe I'm being too literal, maybe I'm not being literal enough.

The mentor thing? It's not automatic, I'm not sure why people (Kathleen isn't the only one to have thought this) think that it is but I know that this has come up before. We did publish (well, it was posted) the finalized By-Laws a while back, although I just read through them and mentors aren't really addressed. The FAQs talk about, but it really isn't specific:

This is an exclusive member group, because only ex-admins and ex-head staff can be mentors.

The FAQs are sadly dated though. I feel bad because that was something I needed and wanted to do (updating cBFAQs) and just haven't had a great deal of time to do.

So that was a bit off topic, but that's ok with you guys hopefully.

Something Fae said was really spot on and something I think would be appreciated. I PM Ju-Sun A LOT. I feel bad sometimes because I feel like my PMs are like a plague in his PM Box. I've PM'd him several times regarding ideas that come up in Feedback, the Offical Members Lounge is just one of those ideas I've PMd him about. However, I don't think that I ever let anyone know in the Community that I did so. We should start doing that more often, if we PM Ju-Sun about something regarding an idea or suggestion we should let people know that we have done so, so that they don't think that suggestions are just being ignored.

Ok, I have "mom" things I have to do for a spell. I'll come back when I can and try to address some other issues that have been brought up.

[Spirited Away]

^ I don't mean to put anyone on the spot and I apologize if it bothered anyone.

It's awesome that you do communicate with Jusun about ideas members contribute to the community. But like you (and Mona) have taken note of, something should be done to notify the community (or at least the member who made the sugggestion) of Jusun's reponse (or even lack thereof) so no one feels slighted and get upset.

Jusun is illusive enough, and without anyone telling the rest of the community anything, people will pretty much think he's Santa Clause.

Anyway, moving sucks. Take vitamin E for sore muscles.

[*Michelle*]

I actually thought that people in the chat would have less of a chance of getting hired b/c of the way people act in there. We're a lot less PG13 and a lot more "rowdy" (as rowdy as you can get on the net, I suppose). shrug*

[*SayBloodyMary*]

^ I don't mean to put anyone on the spot and I apologize if it bothered anyone.

It's awesome that you do communicate with Jusun about ideas members contribute to the community. But like you (and Mona) have taken note of, something should be done to notify the community (or at least the member who made the sugggestion) of Jusun's reponse (or even lack thereof) so no one feels slighted and get upset.

Jusun is illusive enough, and without anyone telling the rest of the community anything, people will pretty much think he's Santa Clause.

Anyway, moving sucks. Take vitamin E for sore muscles.

I agree with that. It's important that people know what stage each idea is at in terms of approval.

[sadolakced acid]

some mods make more posts in the random talk thread backstage than they do in the regular forums, at least that's the way it seemed to me.

maybe you're not part of the moderator clique, but there is one.

And as for complaining about deleting my post; it seemed to be the only way to get a thread in feedback. Since i posted a non-complaining thread in here about my second application, and it was closed, which is what i'm more pissed about.

which is why the title is "here's some f**king feedback". Because my first thread was deemed "not feedback".

Oh and, my application was a real application. Yes, it was nice of you to PM me about it, But you still deleted it, which doesn't seem very fair if admin can delete applications. What if you just deleted the app of someone you didn't like? maybe you wouldn't do that, but how do we know? there's no record that we can see of deleted posts.

No, I think in the interest of having an open process the applications thread should be off limits to deletion. Because I feel like if my application was deleted, maybe say, kryo's application was deleted because the admin doesn't like him. ALthough i'm sure we would have heard about it if that happened.

keep it open.

[brooklyneast05]

Oh and, my application was a real application.

!?!?!??!
it was a one sentence command
how is that an application

[sadolakced acid]

just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's not an application.