cb submission standards Options

[micron]

i posted this in backstage aimed at staff members, just felt the community should know.


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im still making sure there arent any bugs in the submissions engine, but i want to say something about standards that i think is way over due.

i understand that many of you want cb to only have the highest of quality, but i personally think this is counterintuitive to bringing createblog to the masses. for example, lately (and one of the main reaons ive decided to seperate myspace layouts to div overlays and standard), is because increasingly i only see div overlay layouts. sure, div overlays are pretty and look great, but that only accounts for less than 1% of the entire myspace community. i think its a flaw in our logic to think that highering the standards even more will bring in more members. in fact, its just going to do the opposite. submitters will stop submitting their layouts, because they will fear (know rather) that it will be rejected. and without new layouts, people will visit createblog less often to check up on the new layouts, which means with less traffic theres just less opporunity for people to submit things. you see, its a downward spiral were going, if we maintain our current rediculous "standards" aiming to please only the measly 0.0001% of our potential audience. which says something especially if the staff members themselves dont have any quality layouts /graphics submitted to cb.

in anycase, im going to ask everyone to loosen up on teh standards. instead of accepting what pleases you, think in terms of the community. ask yourself, will someone out there use this layout / graphic ? if the answer is yes, accept the layout, no matter how you may feel about it. your perspective is very important, but only because you should be thinking behalf of the community, not yourselves.

i hope i made myself clear. if you disagree wtih my stance, feel free to tell me why.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

woo! it's about time especially with all those topics in feedback about how we need to become more strict, accepting only the best and clearing out the worst.

[*tripvertigo*]

i never understood why people didnt want standard layouts to be submitted anymore. 95% of myspace users do not have even a basic understanding of css/html. They would not be able to use overlay layouts because they may not be able to personalize the content. Div overlay layouts are only useful to users that understand where to put their own content in. Many myspace users still value the basic myspace layout because it allows them to create content without having to style each field.

At the same time, higher quality standard layouts CAN be created. Look at Roxanne's myspace, for example.

[micron]

^ oh yea, staff members should discuss it in backstage. this is for community discussion.

[melodicminor]

i like it. cuz it effects me! yay! i'm really good at making banners so i mostly make default layouts and save the overlays for myself! this makes me want to submit a lot more!!! yay!

[gelionie]

Is this only applicable to layouts, or to graphics as well?

[*stephinika*]

I like it. It doesn't really matter to me if it's an overlay layout, as long as it looks good... *shrug* But yes, I agree about Trish's comment on Roxanne's page, cause hers is great and it's with the standard myspace layout.

[shortcake]

I completely agree, a lot of people go for the cute (simple) and maybe not "high quality" stuff. I know I do sometimes.

[HelloSunshine]

This is super great.

It's true, though. Even people who do know html/CSS like using standard and simple layouts.

I agree with this entirely

[michellerrific]

oh thank you! i have been ranting about this in my head for awhile now. in fact i was just thinking about it earlier. this is definitely true. majority of myspace users don't even use the div layouts. i'm becoming better at making divs by the day but i will always refuse to use them for myself. thank you thank you.

Edit - I am also rejected majority of the time, and i wonder why, seeing that most of the rejected PM's explain no reason as to why they weren't accepted. IT REALLY BOTHERS. there was probably only one or two times that I got a reason saying why, and I think both of them were sent back by Toya. Well thank you Toya! and to the rest of you? Dunno what to say.

[Mireh]

yes. thankyou. and as a veteran layout submitter, i am POed.

I think it's kind of ridiculous how I submitted these layouts at the very beginning of CB, just to find that each one of them is being deleted for being "incompetent" three years later.

Shame on you mods who are deleting these old layouts. these are a part of CB history. shame shame on you.

I've gotten this message about 20 times.

Hi,
Thank you for submitting a layout. However, I'm sorry to inform you that your layout submission was not approved. I encourage you to continue submitting, I promise you, your hard work will pay off!

Disgraceful.

[*IVIike*]

i agree but they can't just accept any regular layout they have to be exceptional but i def. think it's a good idea

[*Insurmountable*]

Holly Infinite: this needs to be rejected:
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/code.php?id=18194
Holly Infinite: on larger resolutions it looks horrible >_<
Holly Infinite: uhm
Holly Infinite: I'm sorry but the coding was poorly done
Holly Infinite: oh and at least you would hope they were smart enough to set the background color to black
Holly Infinite: so on larger resolutions it looks right

[YourSuperior]

^There's still a chance that someone would use it.

[*Insurmountable*]

^Yea but still its really bad, I mean come on the coding could have been done so much better. I mean if someone on staff would like to keep it on i mean at least fix the coding a bit. Or atleast change the background color to black instead of the ugly gray so it looks right for larger resolutions.

[Rachel]

^I personally think the layout is cute. And if the coding bothers you, fix it. I really don't see why it should be rejected.

[Kaytay]

thats a good idea. i used to come here looking for some regular layouts and there never were any :[ maybe i'll submit some

[falsetigerlimbs]

Well, I would make standard layouts, but to be honest, I find it much easier to make DIV overlays. O_O
Plus they allow me to be more creative.

Maybe I should practice making more standard layouts. =/

[*alovesopure*]

Holly Infinite: this needs to be rejected:
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/code.php?id=18194
Holly Infinite: on larger resolutions it looks horrible >_<
Holly Infinite: uhm
Holly Infinite: I'm sorry but the coding was poorly done
Holly Infinite: oh and at least you would hope they were smart enough to set the background color to black
Holly Infinite: so on larger resolutions it looks right

I fixed the background color.

[kimmytree]

This is great.
With this and the new cb, I'm tempted to start submitting things again.

But is this just for myspace and other blog site layouts? Or for web layouts and graphics as well?

[*superstitious*]

In light of another standards topic, I'm going to go ahead and bump this because I'm not sure how many have read Ju-Sun's view(s) on the subject. =)

[Blaqheartedstar]

i understand that your trying to get CB out there and accepted layouts that will "appeal" to everyone else but what about the jockers that are now coming in? that has doubled since before...
and layouts of poor quality not meaning in style but the image it self.... there are layouts here that are soo pixled they don't look as clear as the screenshot portrays it to be. do you really think it will appeal to people to have blurry graphics on their layouts? i just don't want this to end up like skem9 which is like CB just their layouts are the worst (user submited layouts)

[anime-essence]

I agree. I was told that Createblog was going to be different, the exception of superficial graphic/layout sites that have taken over the internet today. I guess things change...

[*mzkandi*]

i understand that your trying to get CB out there and accepted layouts that will "appeal" to everyone else but what about the jockers that are now coming in? that has doubled since before...
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There isn't much we can do to prevent jockers, unfortunately. You find that in all aspects online. The best way to take care of this now (and in the past) is from informants who can identify when something is jocked and we take care of it from there. And sometimes we staff members catch them ourselves and deal with it accordingly.

[1angel3]

There isn't much we can do to prevent jockers, unfortunately. You find that in all aspects online. The best way to take care of this now (and in the past) is from informants how can identify when something is jocked and we take care of it from there. And sometimes we staff members catch them ourselves and deal with it accordingly.

I agree with this everybody, but I concern about the jockers aswell, I know a couple of them that jock me. I think the standards should be lowered to

[fainaru]

I'd like to have some input too, as being someone who almost always used to submit layouts weekly.

So I came back from a couple months of break and submitted some new stuff.

I don't recall having my layouts pushed back to later pages this quickly, unless the submission approval rate has substantially increased since my time off. Call me greedy, but I put tons of effort into my work.

My biggest issue doesn't seem to be the quality control, but the fact that I see some really good layouts here pushed 3 pages later where not many would want to look (that is of course if the front pages are less appealing). It urks me to see stuff like that fall under the cracks and get pushed back by some mediocre work. Ehh.

[*MyMichelle*]

My little bit of input:

I agree 100% with what Jusun said. Most of mainstream / popular layouts I see on Myspace nowadays are the "ugly, regular" layouts that are basically a style-sheet of some flashy fonts and background of interest to the user.
I enjoy a lot of the layouts on cB, but most of the time, people aren't looking for such complicated layouts.

^_^

[*mzkandi*]

I'd like to have some input too, as being someone who almost always used to submit layouts weekly.

So I came back from a couple months of break and submitted some new stuff.

I don't recall having my layouts pushed back to later pages this quickly, unless the submission approval rate has substantially increased since my time off. Call me greedy, but I put tons of effort into my work.

My biggest issue doesn't seem to be the quality control, but the fact that I see some really good layouts here pushed 3 pages later where not many would want to look (that is of course if the front pages are less appealing). It urks me to see stuff like that fall under the cracks and get pushed back by some mediocre work. Ehh.

Since the revealing of cb4 we get ALOT of layout and graphic submission daily. ALOT. Because of this some newly submitted layouts will get pushed back more quickly because of the heavily increased number of submissions we get.

[falsetigerlimbs]

I'd like to have some input too, as being someone who almost always used to submit layouts weekly.

So I came back from a couple months of break and submitted some new stuff.

I don't recall having my layouts pushed back to later pages this quickly, unless the submission approval rate has substantially increased since my time off. Call me greedy, but I put tons of effort into my work.

My biggest issue doesn't seem to be the quality control, but the fact that I see some really good layouts here pushed 3 pages later where not many would want to look (that is of course if the front pages are less appealing). It urks me to see stuff like that fall under the cracks and get pushed back by some mediocre work. Ehh.

I made a comment about this too. And part of the reason why my layouts have disappeared in the past is that the layouts are organized by submission date, not approval date. So even if mine was approved after someone else's, it could appear on the page before theirs if they submitted their layout after me...if that makes sense. Shouldn't organization go by how long the layout has actually been visible instead of when it was simply submitted for approval?

[fainaru]

^ Hmm, I didn't take into account about the whole submission date, but I don't quite understand what you mean by "how long the layout has actually been visible". When you put it that way, I think you're implying how long it's stayed on the site, which is essentially organizing by date no? Unless you mean something else.

@ mzkandi: I have definitely noticed the boom in submissions after the revamp, but I have also noticed the decline in layout views from visitors. My guess is that submissions just keep getting pushed back for no one to see. cB is still getting decent traffic right? Or has the new look generated even more that people just don't drop by the designs as often?

[falsetigerlimbs]

^ Hmm, I didn't take into account about the whole submission date, but I don't quite understand what you mean by "how long the layout has actually been visible". When you put it that way, I think you're implying how long it's stayed on the site, which is essentially organizing by date no? Unless you mean something else.

Yeah, I meant how long it has been on the site, how long the public has been able to see it. Layouts that haven't been on the site long, but got submitted before others, get bumped to the second page quickly.

[*IVIike*]

^-- that shouldn't happen, because we aren't supposed to skip through the queue

[anime-essence]

I think , and correct me if I'm wrong Mike, that the submission standards has something to do with it obviously, not skipping around (which doesn't seem to be the case). The accepted submissions don't receive much public showcase like in the past, when the standards were more strict and less lenient. With the new leniency in effect, more submissions are getting passed the queue with no problem which then triggers less attention to the newly accepted submissions on the home page. The more submissions being accepted equals less time for showcase on the home page and more pages that are added each time.

[*IVIike*]

yeah i understand that ricky they were saying they don't like it when a layout that was submitted after another layout gets accepted first i was just saying that shouldn't happen

[*SinfullySweet*]

Look at the first page of the cb layouts. What has cb come too.. ='[

[*IVIike*]

AMEN
I'm trying my best to kind of up the quality just a tad, but I'm only one person

[markmejia]

Nah Angie. I completely agree with you. And Gabi.

As much as you and I don't like how this was Jusun's motives for cB, we really don't have the power to change anything; we can only try to convince him or something. But that's all common sense. :P

But yeah. Btw, thanks for mentioning my name. You forgot to mention yours.

[IVIike]

http://schizo.createblog.com/blog/entry.php?id=2963

Has anyone ever read that? I actually agree with Gabi with everything. I've thought about leaving this site so many times. I too feel like that little light cb once, has faded. The layouts accepted now are nothing more than scheme9 layouts. Full of nonsense 7th grade love layouts, with no potential for design. I've given up critiqueing mostly everyones layouts. Simply because there are too many, and I have no effort, and am not up for it anymore. Imo, take a look at the front page right now, there are more than half that are crap. Most are just a bunch of brushes splatted together, randomly, and slapped on a couple of divs. All the new submitters, continually are submitting now, without getting better. Back in 06, nearly every single layout you browsed through was appealing, and flowed so well. To this day, only few of the official designers reside, such as Fainaru, Kirsty, Mark, ect. Honestly, as you browse along the layouts these days, there are about 2 - 3 of the better layouts submitted, lately. I dont know why.. but this is depressing beyond words. I guess this is what Jusun wanted, so I can't complain. Just.. cb has lost the prestigious feel it once had. The cb icons, that link back to the site, look pretty average now, like any other layout site. But I guess, I'm only one person, and my opinion won't change anything.

i agree i've tried bringing it up backstage, but we don't have any power really... it's up to Jusun

[freeflow]

I'm sorry that you feel like you have to leave but the standards were lowered because thats what Jusun felt would help the community. At first I was totally against it but you know what if you want to leave because of something like this then I'm not going to try to stop you. The standards were lowered because it would give more people a chance to get their work out there. From some designers it helped them improve a lot. For people with the more superior designs that helps you more and I feel it gets you more publicity. But the standards were lowered so that we didn't have so many high quality layouts when some people simply liked simple. I know teh standards suck now but everyone just has to face it. It gives more people opportunities and thats teh point.

Going back to hgher standards was a lot tougher and it caused a lot more chaos because some people's standards are different that others. We are now taking a lenient approach and thats it. All of you guys tend to be some of the people that were here when the standards were higher and if we higher them again I don't even thinks ome of the stuff you guys submitted should be accepted at times. But you know what its life. And we can't just carter to some people.


Its all of you guy's choice whether or not you want to submit anything here. If you have a problem with teh way official designers are selected then don't be one. If you don't like to have your designs next to someone who isn't as great then don'submit anything.


To an extent I agree we don't see that mayn DIVS anymore. So how is highering our standards going to change that? We can only accept what people submit. And let me tell you one reason is that too many people generate them so they don't get accepted. Having leniency gives more people a chance. IF you guys were on staff you would of known previously I was completely against it but I think its a more fair approach.

Sorry if you guys don't like what you see but there are more people here that like to get their layouts accepted here and there no matter how "easy" it may be for you gus.

[IVIike]

well said Toya. IMO i think it's awesome that we accept simple layouts, but I think they have to be exceptional not just something someone could throw together in 10 mins.

Maybe we just up the standards a bit that way we still have simple default layouts, but we don't necessarily have trash.

[pandora]

im all for upping the standards - the talent on cB has died a WHOLE lot. i also think jusun expects you to exercise your better judgement - while keeping his suggestions in mind. but yknow what, on the other hand; there IS an option to SORT ONLY div overlays when you browse the layouts.

[digitalfragrance]

I'd love to see better quality layouts as well, and personally, I think the standards could be better, but not strict like last time. I hope you all realize that there will never be a time when everyone is happy, even if standards were upped the little bit that you all are talking about. We got a lot of hell fired at us when we were really strict, so it's hard to find that line when asked to lower our standards.

What kind of standards do you suggest? Or is this just a general idea? At any rate, we'd have to talk to Jusun.

[IVIike]

I mean as long as the images are crisp and clean and the coding is neat i have no issue with the standard layouts. It's the ones that have crappy image quality tacky borders misaligned boxes ect. that get me mad.

[brooklyneast05]

yea i think there's a difference between lower quality and low quality

[freeflow]

im all for upping the standards - the talent on cB has died a WHOLE lot. i also think jusun expects you to exercise your better judgement - while keeping his suggestions in mind. but yknow what, on the other hand; there IS an option to SORT ONLY div overlays when you browse the layouts.

Exactly.


The whole point of this is to give more people an opportunity while still trying to keep some things up around here. It allows for people to see more layouts than div layouts. People got tired of them from the same people. Barely anyone's work was getting accepted. You see the same selected view over and over when there should be/could be more.

[pandora]

maybe we should have a new category for "higher" quality layouts.

[Smarmosaur]

YAYYYYY!
we've talked about myspace; but what about xanga?
ex: i submitted an xanga layout a while back with a big banana on the left and the blogs and modules on the right. to be specific, this layout: http://www.xanga.com/Mgt__5
and it got rejected for being too "default"...some people still actually like/use these kinds of layouts-just like the myspace thing, not everything has to be complicated DIV's and such.

[digitalfragrance]

^ Well, you still have the xanga modules, but that really isn't the issue. It's the fact that you don't have much to your design except for CSS editting and a background image with any design elements...

[S-Majere]

^ Yes, to be honest that's exactly what's letting CB down. It doesn't have any...oomph.

I've seen bad DIVs too *shrugs* but being a perfectionist my standards will be much higher than someone elses.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

i posted this in backstage aimed at staff members, just felt the community should know.
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im still making sure there arent any bugs in the submissions engine, but i want to say something about standards that i think is way over due.

i understand that many of you want cb to only have the highest of quality, but i personally think this is counterintuitive to bringing createblog to the masses. for example, lately (and one of the main reaons ive decided to seperate myspace layouts to div overlays and standard), is because increasingly i only see div overlay layouts. sure, div overlays are pretty and look great, but that only accounts for less than 1% of the entire myspace community. i think its a flaw in our logic to think that highering the standards even more will bring in more members. in fact, its just going to do the opposite. submitters will stop submitting their layouts, because they will fear (know rather) that it will be rejected. and without new layouts, people will visit createblog less often to check up on the new layouts, which means with less traffic theres just less opporunity for people to submit things. you see, its a downward spiral were going, if we maintain our current rediculous "standards" aiming to please only the measly 0.0001% of our potential audience. which says something especially if the staff members themselves dont have any quality layouts /graphics submitted to cb.

in anycase, im going to ask everyone to loosen up on teh standards. instead of accepting what pleases you, think in terms of the community. ask yourself, will someone out there use this layout / graphic ? if the answer is yes, accept the layout, no matter how you may feel about it. your perspective is very important, but only because you should be thinking behalf of the community, not yourselves.

i hope i made myself clear. if you disagree wtih my stance, feel free to tell me why.

finally! not just by mod standards. i like, i like.

i also love how the username MICRON is like the Tom of myspace.
just thought i`d add that.

[freeflow]

^ Those standards have been the standards since May...

[DeafeningSilence]

omg yes thanks you.
this is so good.
i have had so many layouts rejected for stupid reasons.
no offense but most of the official designers apporove and reject because of the way the layouts are made.
not because people would use them.
I think that no one person should get to approve or reject a layout.
maybe there should be like voting.
if three or more designers vote one way than that is the decision.
It may take longer but it would be better for the community.
just a suggestion.

[brooklyneast05]

yeah that would take forever to get your layout approved, we have tons of layouts coming in everyday. that's way too much time on a decision that 98% of the time can be made by one person without any problems.

[DeafeningSilence]

yeah that would take forever to get your layout approved, we have tons of layouts coming in everyday. that's way too much time on a decision that 98% of the time can be made by one person without any problems.

but if it makes the community better then why does it matter??

[brooklyneast05]

but if it makes the community better then why does it matter??

because it isn't going to make the community better. if a layout is going to get rejected, it's most likely going to get rejected whether one person is making that decision or whether we take up a huge amount of time to vote per layout. the outcome isn't going to be great enough to warrant us redoing the whole system. it's not efficient. you really think we should vote on hundreds of layouts and wait for all our design staff to be online so they can vote? the queue will be backed up beyond belief and take weeks to get layouts through.

if someone's layout gets rejected and they disagree with the decision, they can always pm other design staff for second opinions. 98% of the time there isn't an issue with rejects. it would be silly to change everything to accommodate the 2% that have a problem. they can easily seek help themselves if they are that concerned with a decision.

[DeafeningSilence]

alright then how would i get a layout re reviewed if i don't like the decision?

[brooklyneast05]

you pm any of the people listed in the following two paragraphs

Head Staff: There are currently four head staff members on createBlog: alovesopure (Kara), brooklyneast05 (JC), karmakiller (Dee) and S-Majere (Sarah) Head staff also have moderating powers in all forums of createBlog, as well as aiding the admins in the hiring of future moderators. To become a member of Head Staff, you must be promoted from a lower staff.

Design Staff: There are currently six design staff members on createBlog: Relentless (Sang), mlothepimp (Marlon), miyashu (Jess), MissHygienic (Whitney), Fawaz (Fawaz) and libertie (Dani). They have the ability to approve or reject Blogger/Livejournal/Xanga/MySpace layouts and scripts. Design Staff have moderating powers in all design subforums and webmaster forums.

[libertie]

omg yes thanks you.
this is so good.
i have had so many layouts rejected for stupid reasons.
no offense but most of the official designers apporove and reject because of the way the layouts are made.
not because people would use them.
I think that no one person should get to approve or reject a layout.
maybe there should be like voting.
if three or more designers vote one way than that is the decision.
It may take longer but it would be better for the community.
just a suggestion.

Just a quick comment, but I can understand why some of your layouts were rejected. If you're unsatisfied with the feedback you were given on your submissions, you may always either respond to the staff member asking for clarification or PM another design staff member asking for their opinion. Sometimes you'll get the same answer from another Design Staff member, but if you want a second opinion, I for one don't mind if you PM me about it. I'm sure the other design staff members wouldn't mind either. Just PM them saying, "This was rejected, would you mind giving me some advice on how to improve it?"

That way, if you think you were given stupid reasons, you can receive additional feedback.

[DeafeningSilence]

alright.
thanks so much!

[miyashu]

http://solider.createblog.com/layouts

Iono mang. : l

Most of his layouts are jocked; they shouldn't have been accepted in the first place.

For example.

[libertie]

I have rejected a few, but some of the older ones are decent.. That last one was jocked? The site you linked looks like many sites that are out there that copy and paste CB code and steal a large number of our layouts, but maybe I was looking at it wrong.

[freeflow]

Like I've told other DS , those type of sites, like Dani stated are not valid sources to use to say that they are jocked. Only because many sites like that steal layouts from here. So yea. Personal websites, different sites, proof from the actual owner, those are the type of things you can use as proof to say something is jocked.

[DemiArianna]

instead of accepting what pleases you, think in terms of the community. ask yourself, will someone out there use this layout / graphic ?

Exactly! I know for a fact that the layout I had rejected would have been liked by soo many people. Like seriously. And do you know the reason why it was rejected? The friends box was a teeny bit wider than the other boxes and the reviewer didn't like the fact that my custom contact table didn't have a border like the other boxes. Honestly! I made that layout the same way I made the one before it, which got accepted. So I went to the one that did get accepted to see what the hype was about my supposedly wide friends box, and it was like 10px wider at most! Thats like 5 on each side. Gimme a freakin' break! And that whole border thing is soooo a personal preference. The worst part is, I forgot to save the code for it. I still have all the images but I don't have the time to go re-coding and stuff. And I will NOT add a border to my contact table to please some starch-sprayed stuck up reviewer.

[pandora]

Oh well.

[freeflow]

Exactly! I know for a fact that the layout I had rejected would have been liked by soo many people. Like seriously. And do you know the reason why it was rejected? The friends box was a teeny bit wider than the other boxes and the reviewer didn't like the fact that my custom contact table didn't have a border like the other boxes. Honestly! I made that layout the same way I made the one before it, which got accepted. So I went to the one that did get accepted to see what the hype was about my supposedly wide friends box, and it was like 10px wider at most! Thats like 5 on each side. Gimme a freakin' break! And that whole border thing is soooo a personal preference. The worst part is, I forgot to save the code for it. I still have all the images but I don't have the time to go re-coding and stuff. And I will NOT add a border to my contact table to please some starch-sprayed stuck up reviewer.

For one they are giving you suggestions. If you feel that your layout is "OH SO GREAT!" You can PM other moderators and ask them for opinions. Give us a freakin break. Stop complaining over ridiculous things, and maybe try fixing your layout style. If it's the layout I think you're talking about it shouldn't of been accepted anyway in my opinion. If you're trying to get anywhere here you need to learn, things get rejected. GET USE TO IT.

We are not here to accept everything that comes our way. When crappy things get accepted, people complain. And then when your crappy stuff gets rejected... people complain. It's about time you get used to your stuff getting rejected, take it as feedback. Stop complaining. It's not going to get your layout accepted, so hun I don't see why you're even wasting your time. They are suggestions. Take them or leave them. If you don't want to listen that's your decision. IF you want to submit again..that's your decision. IF it gets rejected again maybe that means you really should work on your style.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

^ Those standards have been the standards since May...

WOW.

[MissHygienic]

Exactly! I know for a fact that the layout I had rejected would have been liked by soo many people. Like seriously. And do you know the reason why it was rejected? The friends box was a teeny bit wider than the other boxes and the reviewer didn't like the fact that my custom contact table didn't have a border like the other boxes. Honestly! I made that layout the same way I made the one before it, which got accepted. So I went to the one that did get accepted to see what the hype was about my supposedly wide friends box, and it was like 10px wider at most! Thats like 5 on each side. Gimme a freakin' break! And that whole border thing is soooo a personal preference. The worst part is, I forgot to save the code for it. I still have all the images but I don't have the time to go re-coding and stuff. And I will NOT add a border to my contact table to please some starch-sprayed stuck up reviewer.

You know that CreateBlog isn't the only place you can submit layouts? Just because you assume that so many people will like the layout that was rejected, doesn't mean that we have to accept it here. Your pictures were cute, but that doesn't make your layout good. I've also sent you a message, if you'd like to discuss it from there.