Sexual equality is ridiculous, Paychecks. Options

[Simba]

So there's been an issue with men being paid more than women when it comes to jobs.

Say a girl and a boy around the same age worked at the same store (and were paid equally). Now say they went on a date. Chances are, the girl wouldn't spend a dime and the boy would be spending all of his hard-earned money. The girl would only end up spending her paycheck on herself. The point? Men have more needs for money than women do. Men fundamentally have a need to spend more money than women do.

Generally, men are paid more than women for the same jobs because, well, men have more demands for money than women do. Men want paying jobs. Women want glamorous jobs. Women never seem to demand that half of sewage workers or half of window cleaners are female.


And I'm just going to put it out there now, I don't follow any of the above, but I'm willing to debate with you anyway.

[michellerrific]

With the date thing, you have a point.
But hey, that's not always the case. If they weren't dating, the women would still argue the fact that they're not making as much $ and may not be living their lives as decent, especially if they're single moms or something along those lines.

men have more demands for money than women do

Could you be specific?

[misoshiru]

Really now, maybe it's just me, but I believe that in dating, more and more people are splitting the bill. I personally would split the bill. Having the guy pay for everything is such a chauvinistic thing to do. And could you expand on how:

Men fundamentally have a need to spend more money than women do

[kimmytree]

Men always paying for everything on dates is a little old fashioned. More and more people these days split things.

What about single mothers? Are they just sol, since they're female?

[cori-catastrophe]

So there's been an issue with men being paid more than women when it comes to jobs.

Say a girl and a boy around the same age worked at the same store (and were paid equally). Now say they went on a date. Chances are, the girl wouldn't spend a dime and the boy would be spending all of his hard-earned money. The girl would only end up spending her paycheck on herself. The point? Men have more needs for money than women do. Men fundamentally have a need to spend more money than women do.

Generally, men are paid more than women for the same jobs because, well, men have more demands for money than women do. Men want paying jobs. Women want glamorous jobs. Women never seem to demand that half of sewage workers or half of window cleaners are female.
And I'm just going to put it out there now, I don't follow any of the above, but I'm willing to debate with you anyway.

women take their kids everywhere. therefore, needing money for fuel.
women buy groceries. therefore, needing money for food.
women buy their clothes, their husband's clothes, and their kids clothes, therefore needing money for clothing.
women get to go home to a messy house and have a ton of chores to do like unloading the dishwasher, washing/drying clothes, folding clothes, paperwork, vacuming, cleaning in general, therefore needing more time.
women have way more needs for money than men. men usually just go out and spend their money on boats, trucks, ect. that they don't need. not to mention, they want the woman to look pretty all the time, which is just too hard for her with trying to make him happy and do all the things listed above with the short ammount of time given in a day and not getting paid what she's worth. it's ridiculous.

[demolished]

... and women spend a lot of money on cosmetic, fashions, and etc.

[JustAnotherTeena...]

I always pay for myself when I go out with a guy. Hell, I actually pay for the both of us more often than he does.

And as stated before, women do much of the shopping for their husbands, kids, & selves.

Why the eff should two people be paid differently for doing the exact same thing? What does it matter if they're male or female?

[Simba]

Men have more demands for money than women do

Could you be specific?

Traditionally, men are the ones out working for the money while women are at home caring for the house and children.

women take their kids everywhere. therefore, needing money for fuel.
women buy groceries. therefore, needing money for food.
women buy their clothes, their husband's clothes, and their kids clothes, therefore needing money for clothing.
women get to go home to a messy house and have a ton of chores to do like unloading the dishwasher, washing/drying clothes, folding clothes, paperwork, vacuming, cleaning in general, therefore needing more time.
women have way more needs for money than men. men usually just go out and spend their money on boats, trucks, ect. that they don't need. not to mention, they want the woman to look pretty all the time, which is just too hard for her with trying to make him happy and do all the things listed above with the short ammount of time given in a day and not getting paid what she's worth. it's ridiculous.

... and women spend a lot of money on cosmetic, fashions, and etc.

And that's where the money goes.

What about single mothers? Are they just sol, since they're female?

Winner.

Ok, you guys got that one. There's not too much else for me to say without sounding like a male supremest extremist.

New Question: Male =/= Female
So why are people trying to make them equal?

[cori-catastrophe]

New Question: Male =/= Female
So why are people trying to make them equal?

how are they not equal?
i actually think women are more deserving than men are.
most men do work hard jobs, but that's because their bodies are made to.
most women work hard jobs as well, it's just doesn't deal with as much physical work as the jobs men have.
men complain about their jobs, nontheles. even if they did have an easy job, they'd complain. what makes men so much more valuble than women. nothing at all. they're both valuble to society. without women, there'd be no new people in the world, therefore the population would die out. the same applies for men. without men, there'd be no way to reproduce fertile offspring.that means that even though they were designed to complete different tasks, they were both created equaly and should be treated as such. they're both a big part of reproduction and the world in general.

[kimmytree]

how are they not equal?
i actually think women are more deserving than men are.
most men do work hard jobs, but that's because their bodies are made to.
most women work hard jobs as well, it's just doesn't deal with as much physical work as the jobs men have.
men complain about their jobs, nontheles. even if they did have an easy job, they'd complain. what makes men so much more valuble than women. nothing at all. they're both valuble to society. without women, there'd be no new people in the world, therefore the population would die out. the same applies for men. without men, there'd be no way to reproduce fertile offspring.that means that even though they were designed to complete different tasks, they were both created equaly and should be treated as such. they're both a big part of reproduction and the world in general.

Be careful, that's not what your Bible says.

[Simba]

how are they not equal?

1) Physically
2) Mentally
3) It appears you answered your own question.

i actually think women are more deserving than men are.
most men do work hard jobs, but that's because their bodies are made to.
most women work hard jobs as well, it's just doesn't deal with as much physical work as the jobs men have.
men complain about their jobs, nontheles. even if they did have an easy job, they'd complain. what makes men so much more valuble than women. nothing at all. they're both valuble to society. without women, there'd be no new people in the world, therefore the population would die out. the same applies for men. without men, there'd be no way to reproduce fertile offspring.that means that even though they were designed to complete different tasks, they were both created equaly and should be treated as such. they're both a big part of reproduction and the world in general.

Fact: Women are better optimized for nurturing a child than a man.
Fact: The male body is better optimized for physical work than a female's.
Thus, they are not equal.

Why do you think there's the NBA, and then the WNBA; PGA, and then LPGA?

Oh, it appears there's a double standard as well. How come it's easier for a woman to attack the system and be allowed to play for the male's league than it is for a man to get into the woman's league?

[kimmytree]

^ You're right, both genders have their strengths and weaknesses, but overall, one is no better than the other. Both deserve the same rights, and same pay.

[Simba]

Why the eff should two people be paid differently for doing the exact same thing? What does it matter if they're male or female?

I forgot to address this earlier. Women are simply offered a salary (which tends to be lower than if it were a male), and well, they accept it and take the job. It isn't the corporation's problem if the woman is going to accept a lower salary. In fact, that's less money they have to give away.

[*kryogenix*]

You know I tell you what women belong in the kitchen and don't deserve the same pay as men.

[*Podomaht*]

They're good for vagina and food.

That's it. MEN NUMBER 1!

[Comptine]

wtf?

i'm sorry. i know it's a debate but i'm seriously pissed off.

women buy cosmetics. clothes. shoes. etc.

men freaking buy game consoles. media centers. flat screen tvs.

why is it only exclusive to women who buy useless/fun/desired thing?

you know why they should be paid the same? because women have to do the same thing to get to the same place. a women doctor still has to go to medical school, depending on their field, deal with sexism from their colleagues. a women engineer still has to go to school. a women lawyer still has to go to law school.

men AND women have to pay for bills. rent. student loans. mortages.

most women offer to pay but men feel the freaking macho duty to pay for the dinner. if i earned the 100K a year like i'm suppose to when i become a doctor, why wouldn't i pay 50 bucks for my own dinner?

I forgot to address this earlier. Women are simply offered a salary (which tends to be lower than if it were a male), and well, they accept it and take the job. It isn't the corporation's problem if the woman is going to accept a lower salary. In fact, that's less money they have to give away.

obviously that's wrong too. and no. that's only half true. but once the women start doing their job and realize the salary differences, they will address it. but guess what? they won't get it.

married women get paid less than a married man. a married woman with kids earns less than a married man with kids.

if you have a problem with forking over money for dates, then don't ask a girl out. or pick a good, normal girl who would offer to pay. don't you dare say just because men pay for dates, women shouldn't get the same salary. if i go to medical school for nearly 10 years, i should get the same damn pay.

[*mishyerr*]

This discussion has too many exceptions. Both women and men have different demands for money, not to mention the various types of women and men.

Men want paying jobs. Women want glamorous jobs.

Although I agree with your argument that men usually pay for the dates (exceptions noted), I completely disagree with this. In fact, I think it's bull shit. You call sitting in your nice, cube office with a computer and music playing not glamorous... while wiping shit from a pissing, crying, stinking, baby is? You think that mopping the floors is seriously more desirable than taking care of multiple screaming, demanding, loud, smelly children?

Yet, there will always be exceptions. Men who take care of their kids. Feminists who demand their way.
Which makes this discussion very difficult to debate.

[*Podomaht*]

Arjuna just wants to sound smart. The actual topic he posted here is hardly debatable. Be Pacific, not Atlantic.

[Simba]

Be careful, that's not what your Bible says.

Uh-oh.

You call sitting in your nice, cube office with a computer and music playing not glamorous... while wiping shit from a pissing, crying, stinking, baby is? You think that mopping the floors is seriously more desirable than taking care of multiple screaming, demanding, loud, smelly children?

Caring for your child isn't usually regarded as an actual career.

you know why they should be paid the same? because women have to do the same thing to get to the same place. a women doctor still has to go to medical school, depending on their field, deal with sexism from their colleagues. a women engineer still has to go to school. a women lawyer still has to go to law school.

It's not always what you decide to do as a career, but how well you do it. And to be fair, this factor doesn't effect just women, but even male to male. In the case of the PGA tour, all of the males are playing golf, but obviously, some are playing better than others. Which is why Tiger Woods gets more money from playing golf than many other players.

So, I'm sure we can agree now that men are generally physically more apt than women, simply by looking at the athletic world.
Now I propose, men are smarter than women.

[cori-catastrophe]

Be careful, that's not what your Bible says.

this debate isn't about religion so back off. you don't even know much about "my Bible".
and since you want to sound so educated, please show me the verses that say otherwise.

[Simba]

While I would prefer that this discussion not get too much into religion, I would say mentions of sexual equality (or sexual inequality) in religious scripture would be worth mentioning.

[cori-catastrophe]

While I would prefer that this discussion not get too much into religion, I would say mentions of sexual equality (or sexual inequality) in religious scripture would be worth mentioning.

correct, but as far as the Bible goes, i'd say only scriptures in the new testament would be worth listing. in the old testament, everything was different.

[Simba]

correct, but as far as the Bible goes, i'd say only scriptures in the new testament would be worth listing. in the old testament, everything was different.

So, only things from the New Testament should be noted while the rest of the Bible can be disregarded?

(If you decide to reply, I prefer that you reply in the bible...fairytales? thread.)

[kimmytree]

Eeeek, sorry Arjuna. I'll respond there then.

[edited]

[AngelinaTaylor]

Actually, a man would probably pay for the first date, maybe the second or even third. But after that, what normal human beings would do is split the bill, unless the guy is a LOT LOT LOT wealthier than the girl.

That aside. Guys have more needs for money? Don't think so. We, women, also have needs - equal or maybe even exceeding the needs of a typical man.

I'll be stereotypical here, but for instance:

- a single mom that has to take care of her child would logically need more money than a single guy, most times.

- money for make up, hair products (some women spend a fortune on these), shaving/waxing equipment, pads/tampons, birth control (pills that we take, etc), clothes (although this goes for both sexes, but most women "need" more shopping there), accessoires (jewelry mostly), perfumes/body lotions/moisturizers/tanning moisturizers, and I can't think of anymore examples. But I'm sure there's more.

- some women don't date.

- what about arranged marriages? The expenses which you mentioned wouldn't be in there, I guess. Could be wrong.

- lesbians. No guys there to pay for the date.

So why should we get paid less?

Now I propose, men are smarter than women.

Any proof on that? Some statistics? Why should I believe that?

[*kryogenix*]

So, what you're saying here is, women deserve money because they're a bunch of materialistic hos?

Women don't get as much money because they're a dead investment.

[AngryBaby]

f**kin bitches

[Simba]

Actually, a man would probably pay for the first date, maybe the second or even third. But after that, what normal human beings would do is split the bill, unless the guy is a LOT LOT LOT wealthier than the girl.

That aside. Guys have more needs for money? Don't think so. We, women, also have needs - equal or maybe even exceeding the needs of a typical man.

I'll be stereotypical here, but for instance:

- a single mom that has to take care of her child would logically need more money than a single guy, most times.

- money for make up, hair products (some women spend a fortune on these), shaving/waxing equipment, pads/tampons, birth control (pills that we take, etc), clothes (although this goes for both sexes, but most women "need" more shopping there), accessoires (jewelry mostly), perfumes/body lotions/moisturizers/tanning moisturizers, and I can't think of anymore examples. But I'm sure there's more.

- some women don't date.

- what about arranged marriages? The expenses which you mentioned wouldn't be in there, I guess. Could be wrong.

- lesbians. No guys there to pay for the date.

So why should we get paid less?

Sorry guys, like I said before, I really don't have anything to argue against that sort of logic right now, so I'm letting it rest for the moment. In other words, you win that for now.

Any proof on that? Some statistics? Why should I believe that?

Well, did you check the article I linked to, for starters?

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/06...brainy_men.html
(And before someone bites about it, the article was written by a woman.)

f**kin bitches

Please don't spam.

[Comptine]

^and please keep in mind to be respectful to both sides (sexes) of the debate. so don't refer to women as "dead investment" or "bitches".

well. it's been a general assumption that men are more impulsive while women tend to read into things and dwell on them. so, a guy might decide to buy 1000 shares in a company because it's having a good quarter while a girl might wait it out a bit to see if it's safe.

if men are more intelligent than women, and that should be the basis for salary, why can't we pay skinny people more and fat people less? i mean, fat people are just unhealthy and waste all their money on food. hell, they're going to die pretty soon from their blood turning into lard, so they don't deserve the same salary as a skinny person in the same job.

[*onewaysalcha*]

women take their kids everywhere. therefore, needing money for fuel.
women buy groceries. therefore, needing money for food.
women buy their clothes, their husband's clothes, and their kids clothes, therefore needing money for clothing.
women get to go home to a messy house and have a ton of chores to do like unloading the dishwasher, washing/drying clothes, folding clothes, paperwork, vacuming, cleaning in general, therefore needing more time.
women have way more needs for money than men. men usually just go out and spend their money on boats, trucks, ect. that they don't need. not to mention, they want the woman to look pretty all the time, which is just too hard for her with trying to make him happy and do all the things listed above with the short ammount of time given in a day and not getting paid what she's worth. it's ridiculous.

Men pay the bills of the house, the cars, the insurance, the family income, etc. Simply, men get paid more because in a typical family, the husband goes to work while the woman stays at home.

I believe there will never be sexual equality in the world, that God created man before a woman for a reason, taking one part of Adam to make Eve. There should, however, be a fine line for wages and rights though.

[*kryogenix*]

The hell?

Women ARE a dead investment. There is no getting around that. That's because women tend to have babies, while men usually don't. Dead investment.

[xoxo_proud]

Men pay the bills of the house, the cars, the insurance, the family income, etc. Simply, men get paid more because in a typical family, the husband goes to work while the woman stays at home.

I believe there will never be sexual equality in the world, that God created man before a woman for a reason, taking one part of Adam to make Eve. There should, however, be a fine line for wages and rights though.

What if, in someone's family, the mother works and the father stays home? That family should get less money simply because the mother works?

And, sorry, but not everyone believes in God.

[Ington]

Women should get paid as much as men do, and chivalry should be burned. That's what I say.

If you want equality, take equality as a whole, not parts of it. If you want to be treated with respect, treat others with the same respect. I despise how feminists argue how men always try to bring them down with their evil penises, while then turning and expecting men to simply get on their knees for them. If you do not see others equally, you yourself will not be seen as equals either.

I'm not saying women aren't equal to men. I'm saying that feminism died in the 90s and that reform is urgently needed to drench feudalism and all it stood for with kerosene and burn it to the ground.

[*onewaysalcha*]

What if, in someone's family, the mother works and the father stays home? That family should get less money simply because the mother works?

And, sorry, but not everyone believes in God.

That's a rare occurence; plus you can't fit EVERYONE's needs. Plus it depends on what type of job you have.

[AngelinaTaylor]

So, what you're saying here is, women deserve money because they're a bunch of materialistic hos?

Women don't get as much money because they're a dead investment.

Men are never satisfied, are they? If we're not materialistic bitches, we'll be bitches who don't give a shit about their appearance and look extremely unattractive. But that's not good for you either. Then you'll be all like, "Well, hoe, you look like an ape, how do you expect me to date you?!" or "OH MY FREAKIN' GOD, YOU DON'T SHAVE?! YOU THINK WE'RE IN THE JUNGLE OR SOMETHING?!" or "I can't see your face. It's lost in all the hair. Or wait, IS that hair?..."

Make up your mind, will ya?

Men pay the bills of the house, the cars, the insurance, the family income, etc. Simply, men get paid more because in a typical family, the husband goes to work while the woman stays at home.

I believe there will never be sexual equality in the world, that God created man before a woman for a reason, taking one part of Adam to make Eve. There should, however, be a fine line for wages and rights though.

How's it like to live in the 18th century?

[*kryogenix*]

[font=Comic Sans Ms]Men are never satisfied, are they? If we're not materialistic bitches, we'll be bitches who don't give a shit about their appearance and look extremely unattractive. But that's not good for you either. Then you'll be all like, "Well, hoe, you look like an ape, how do you expect me to date you?!" or "OH MY FREAKIN' GOD, YOU DON'T SHAVE?! YOU THINK WE'RE IN THE JUNGLE OR SOMETHING?!" or "I can't see your face. It's lost in all the hair. Or wait, IS that hair?..."

Make up your mind, will ya?

So what does any of this have to do with women deserving more money?

[AngelinaTaylor]

So what does any of this have to do with women deserving more money?

We do need to buy all these things. Hence, we do need just as much money as men.

[*kryogenix*]

We do need to buy all these things. Hence, we do need just as much money as men.

Need?

You wanna pull this "well we need makeup or men won't like us?" bullshit? Then how about men need more money because they need expensive cars, clothes and houses to impress women? Therefore, men need more money than women and it's totally fair.

[AngelinaTaylor]

Need?

You wanna pull this "well we need makeup or men won't like us?" bullshit? Then how about men need more money because they need expensive cars, clothes and houses to impress women? Therefore, men need more money than women and it's totally fair.

Nah, having expensive cars and caring for your appearance are two different things. Honestly, how many times have you gone out with a chick who doesn't do anything for her appearance?

I never said "more". I just said as much ;) If you guys are saying men have to pay for dates and that's why they deserve more money, why shouldn't I use make up to argue the contrary? It's totally fair.

[Mystic Eyes]

This is pathetic.

1) Society has made it soo that men should pay for dates.

Reality Check: Both should pay, it's not written anywhere in this universe that one should pay

2) Make up for girls, hair products, etc.

Reality Check: I'm a very well groomed guy and I spend money on hair products, clothes, creams, etc to maintain my good looks. So thats no excuse.

3) Men buying houses, cars, etc to impress the ladies?

Reality check: Since when do you buy a car or house to impress the opposite sex. If someone ever did that then they are by far the most stupid and most simple minded human being in the world.

Seriously, get over yourselves, it's retarded when both men and women bitch about eachother. Men and Women are equal whether you like that or not, see that or not, it's the truth. Both have their own weaknesses and strength but both are designed from mother nature as equals. So if a man and woman does the exact same job then they should be payed equally. The only down side is that for some stupid reason women are paid less. It's the 21st century and our society is still like this? what a joke.

[*kryogenix*]

Nah, having expensive cars and caring for your appearance are two different things. Honestly, how many times have you gone out with a chick who doesn't do anything for her appearance?

I never said "more". I just said as much ;) If you guys are saying men have to pay for dates and that's why they deserve more money, why shouldn't I use make up to argue the contrary? It's totally fair.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Men make more money because they earn more money. They DESERVE more money. Not because they NEED more money.

Women are dead investments in the workplace; that is why they do not deserve as much money as men. That is why they do not make as much money as men.

You can try to pull this artificial need bullshit all you want. You know what, tell your employer, the next time you ask for a raise, use your argument to get the raise. Good luck keeping your job.

Seriously, get over yourselves, it's retarded when both men and women bitch about eachother. Men and Women are equal whether you like that or not, see that or not, it's the truth. Both have their own weaknesses and strength but both are designed from mother nature as equals. So if a man and woman does the exact same job then they should be payed equally. The only down side is that for some stupid reason women are paid less. It's the 21st century and our society is still like this? what a joke.

You just contradicted yourself. Men and Women are equal whether you like that or not, see that or not, it's the truth. Both have their own weaknesses and strength.... Fail.

Too bad on a whole, men and women DON'T do the same exact job. That's why women tend to get paid less, because they are weaker, usually don't have the required intelligence and companies know they aren't a dependable source of work due to the fact that they have babies.

[*Podomaht*]

Basically, MEN ARE BETTAR!!1

[Mystic Eyes]

kryogenix, you fail Embarrassingly because you some how can't see the point. Men and women have there own qualities. Even on a individual scale, the man to the left isn't the same as the man to the right, simple.

But overall when you add it all up, there equal. It's amusing you couldn't see something that simple. Oh well, life goes on.

[Simba]

kryogenix, you fail Embarrassingly because you some how can't see the point. Men and women have there own qualities.

Talent in nurturing is for home and the day-care center.

Even on a individual scale, the man to the left isn't the same as the man to the right, simple.

But overall when you add it all up, there equal. It's amusing you couldn't see something that simple. Oh well, life goes on.

The point is that, generally, man is not equal in capability as woman in so-and-so.

This is already evident in athletics (I think I've said that about a thousand times by now) and the military.

"Generally, men are physically stronger than women."
And then you can go on.
"Generally, men are smarter than women."
"Generally, men are more humorous than women."
And to be fair, "Generally, women are better at nurturing than men."

I'm not saying those statements are necessarily true, but you should get the point.

[*kryogenix*]

kryogenix, you fail Embarrassingly because you some how can't see the point. Men and women have there own qualities. Even on a individual scale, the man to the left isn't the same as the man to the right, simple.

And you fail for once again admitting that men and women are different but equal. Talk about self ownage...

But overall when you add it all up, there equal. It's amusing you couldn't see something that simple. Oh well, life goes on.

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone is equally entitled, but men and women are two different fish. You wanna know what's amusing? Your attitude of false bravado.

There's a reason why there are more female gymnasts and male weightlifters. There's a reason why more often than not men are military leaders and women are nurses.

Not to mention no one gives a shit in this debate if it all adds up in the end and they're equal. If you don't have the capacity to understand this, fine, for arguments' sake, I'll agree that men and women have different qualities but are equal in the end. However that means shit when you have a job, because jobs have this thing called specialization. No one gives a shit how well you can sew if your job is to lift heavy concrete blocks every day. No one gives a shit if you can carry heavy concrete blocks every day if your job is to sew pants.

So to summarize:

1) You aren't even on topic on what we're arguing about here (equal wages in jobs)
2) You tell me I fail even though you randomly capitalize words in the middle of sentences
3) You tell me I fail even though you're absolutely wrong
4) You got owned big time, not only by me, but by yourself
5) Go play in your garden or something kid, this isn't for you.

But hey, apparently your philosophy is to lie to yourself and to others about abilities to make you/them feel good, so I'm going to be pessimistic and predict you're going to keep on arguing.

[Mystic Eyes]

Kryogenix you say i'm totally wrong and all that other jazz, what's that got to do with this debate...nothing. You give no real reasons, heh. Calm down, I can't believe your actually get worked up over something like this.

Oh and wrong again on soo many levels, i'm not arguing, simply debating and apparently you have no idea about my philosophy so lets not go there.

Anyways I agree about the jobs specializations suited for each gender. But it doesn't matter if for example both a man and woman are doing the same job. Both should get paid equally.

[*kryogenix*]

Kryogenix you say i'm totally wrong and all that other jazz, what's that got to do with this debate...nothing.

Are you f**king serious?

You give no real reasons, heh. Calm down, I can't believe your actually get worked up over something like this.

You must be new around here.

Oh and wrong again on soo many levels, i'm not arguing, simply debating and apparently you have no idea about my philosophy so lets not go there.

Wow. Just wow.

You. Garden. Now.

Anyways I agree about the jobs specializations suited for each gender. But it doesn't matter if for example both a man and woman are doing the same job. Both should get paid equally.

No they shouldn't. They should get paid whatever the company thinks they are worth to them. If that's not enough for them, renegotiate the contract or find another company to work for. If their services are that necessary, then they'll get the wage they want. But clearly their services aren't worth it, or the women just don't want it enough to go through the trouble.

[Simba]

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

[Mystic Eyes]

No they shouldn't. They should get paid whatever the company thinks they are worth to them. If that's not enough for them, renegotiate the contract or find another company to work for. If their services are that necessary, then they'll get the wage they want. But clearly their services aren't worth it, or the women just don't want it enough to go through the trouble.

No, it's not whatever the company thinks since each company has to work to a certain guideline and regulation put forth by the government. So they can't just pay them whatever they want. Besides the government is trying to reach a more level ground when it comes to wages. Although ability to do the job right and to the company's required standard is an factor in a persons annual wage.

You. Garden. Now.

How about you growing some balls and start acting mature.

[Simba]

How about you growing some balls and start acting mature.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

[AngelinaTaylor]

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Men make more money because they earn more money. They DESERVE more money. Not because they NEED more money.

Women are dead investments in the workplace; that is why they do not deserve as much money as men. That is why they do not make as much money as men.

You can try to pull this artificial need bullshit all you want. You know what, tell your employer, the next time you ask for a raise, use your argument to get the raise. Good luck keeping your job.

They deserve more money? Why are women a dead investment? Can you at least elaborate on that? It sounds pretty superficial and stereotypical to me.

And I don't need to talk to my employer about a raise.. Last time I got $500 for a concert and I played for 10 minutes. ;) And of course I'm not going to use that reason to get a raise. I was basing my argument on the original one. "Men pay for dates, so they deserve more money." Complete bullshit.

due to the fact that they have babies.

Fact? I'm not having kids. Not only me, but lots of other women as well.

[*kryogenix*]

Men deserve more money because pound for pound, they produce more. End of story. Sure, some women are exceptions, but men are naturally better at the jobs that count. I'm sure you're going to throw a tantrum about it though.

Women are dead investments because they have babies and are put out of commission for months. Men don't. I don't care if you don't plan on having a baby, we're talking in general.

It's a fact that women have babies and men don't. If you have a problem with this, study human reproduction.

And I don't need to talk to my employer about a raise.. Last time I got $500 for a concert and I played for 10 minutes. ;) And of course I'm not going to use that reason to get a raise. I was basing my argument on the original one. "Men pay for dates, so they deserve more money." Complete bullshit.

Good for you? Must have been a bad concert though. This guy I know gets paid more than twice that for like 15 minutes.

It's not all fun and games for guys either. They have to pay more money on car insurance, even though women get into more accidents than men.

Face it, women are simply not as valuable as men. There's a reason why baby girls are more often aborted than baby boys.

[AngryBaby]

Please don't spam.

oh hush jesus, i do what i please. plus im your elder.

[Comptine]

Men deserve more money because pound for pound, they produce more. End of story. Sure, some women are exceptions, but men are naturally better at the jobs that count. I'm sure you're going to throw a tantrum about it though.

Women are dead investments because they have babies and are put out of commission for months. Men don't. I don't care if you don't plan on having a baby, we're talking in general.

It's a fact that women have babies and men don't. If you have a problem with this, study human reproduction.
Good for you? Must have been a bad concert though. This guy I know gets paid more than twice that for like 15 minutes.

It's not all fun and games for guys either. They have to pay more money on car insurance, even though women get into more accidents than men.

Face it, women are simply not as valuable as men. There's a reason why baby girls are more often aborted than baby boys.

men produce more than women? and we only bare babies? and, apparently, we're a dead investment. ...

women bear children for 9 months... and sometimes, that 9 months was a dead investment because the kids turn into criminals, sexists, racists, bums, etc.

just a question, are you actually sexist? or do you play devil's advocate to piss off people?

yeah... so women can't work for a few months. but there are more male criminals. more homeless men. but no matter what i argue, you'll say women are somehow inferior.

more females are also applying for college now. in a few years, it might be more balanced.

[AngelinaTaylor]

Men deserve more money because pound for pound, they produce more. End of story. Sure, some women are exceptions, but men are naturally better at the jobs that count. I'm sure you're going to throw a tantrum about it though.

Women are dead investments because they have babies and are put out of commission for months. Men don't. I don't care if you don't plan on having a baby, we're talking in general.

It's a fact that women have babies and men don't. If you have a problem with this, study human reproduction.

Sure, women aged 20-35 maybe. Although that itself isn't even a justified reason. What about the women outside that age group? Exclude teenagers. And they wouldn't leave work for too long. You too had a mother - don't forget.

Where do you get all this from - the producing part? I've seen plenty of women doing their job better than men - being punctual, on time, and actually DOING their work. I can't understand how you can generalize people like that.

Good for you? Must have been a bad concert though. This guy I know gets paid more than twice that for like 15 minutes.

So will I when I'm actually professoinal. And btw, I'm a classical pianist.

It's not all fun and games for guys either. They have to pay more money on car insurance, even though women get into more accidents than men.

Face it, women are simply not as valuable as men. There's a reason why baby girls are more often aborted than baby boys.

I do agree that women suck at driving - most of them anyway. So I'm not going to go there.

Women aren't as valuable as men? Where did you come out from, a penis?

This whole discussion is pointless. People are different. But to say that men should absolutely get more money than women in all cases, is pure bullshit. Just as I don't claim we should get more, you shouldn't either.

[*kryogenix*]

Sure, women aged 20-35 maybe. Although that itself isn't even a justified reason. What about the women outside that age group? Exclude teenagers. And they wouldn't leave work for too long. You too had a mother - don't forget.

You just described an enormous chunk of the workforce. And if they don't have children, they don't need as much money.

Where do you get all this from - the producing part? I've seen plenty of women doing their job better than men - being punctual, on time, and actually DOING their work. I can't understand how you can generalize people like that.

Says the person who made sweeping generalizations just a few posts before. Fact is, jobs women are paid less in, they produce less. Jobs where women excel, like feet smelling, they get paid more.

So will I when I'm actually professoinal. And btw, I'm a classical pianist.

Good for you? Too bad he'll be making more because he is a guy.

Women aren't as valuable as men? Where did you come out from, a penis?

The woman is simply a vestibule.

This whole discussion is pointless. People are different. But to say that men should absolutely get more money than women in all cases, is pure bullshit. Just as I don't claim we should get more, you shouldn't either.

You're just saying that because you lost.

Men should get more when they deserve more. Women should get more when they deserve more. Men just deserve more more often than women.

[Mystic Eyes]

So, is it about the fact that women have children and thats the reason why they shouldn't get paid equally? Why should that prevent women getting paid the same since someone has to look after children and what not. Oh and to add to that, the fact that men are generally stronger.
Too be honest, who cares if men are stronger, doesn't mean there better. You know, they say only the strongest survive and all that jazz, what it really means is the one who can adapt and who has the smarts survives.

The same applies when working. Employers are looking for ability, talent, etc. Whether your male, female, black, white, green, whatever. That doesn't matter. What really matters is your abilities, your specializations, etc.

[AngelinaTaylor]

You just described an enormous chunk of the workforce. And if they don't have children, they don't need as much money.
Says the person who made sweeping generalizations just a few posts before. Fact is, jobs women are paid less in, they produce less. Jobs where women excel, like feet smelling, they get paid more.

Actually, when I was born my dad stayed home with me and my mom worked. And I'm sure there have been other cases. So it's not just women. Plus, so what if they leave for a certain period of time? Just because the woman carries a living thing inside her shouldn't be the basis of her salary. That's really idiotic. It doesn't matter that she leaves for that time, it matters how she does her work WHILE she is there.

Good for you? Too bad he'll be making more because he is a guy.

What an ignorant statement. In my field, that doesn't happen. And don't argue, I'm sure you know little to nothing about it.

The woman is simply a vestibule.

So you DID come out of a penis.. aha. I understand.

You're just saying that because you lost.

Men should get more when they deserve more. Women should get more when they deserve more. Men just deserve more more often than women.

No, I'm saying it because it's true. The creator of this thread himself said he didn't believe what he was arguing.

Oh, I got something out of you after all.. At least now you're not being completely narrow-minded.

And do me a favour, next time, ok? Back up your little points with proof. Because what's there to argue?

[*kryogenix*]

Actually, when I was born my dad stayed home with me and my mom worked. And I'm sure there have been other cases. So it's not just women. Plus, so what if they leave for a certain period of time? Just because the woman carries a living thing inside her shouldn't be the basis of her salary. That's really idiotic. It doesn't matter that she leaves for that time, it matters how she does her work WHILE she is there.

So who made more money at the time you were born, your mom or your dad?

What an ignorant statement. In my field, that doesn't happen. And don't argue, I'm sure you know little to nothing about it.

You know, the field that women usually make more than men is prostitution.

So you DID come out of a penis.. aha. I understand.

Where'd you come out of, a turkey baster?

No, I'm saying it because it's true. The creator of this thread himself said he didn't believe what he was arguing.

Oh, I got something out of you after all.. At least now you're not being completely narrow-minded.

And do me a favour, next time, ok? Back up your little points with proof. Because what's there to argue?

Hahaha you don't got shit.

You've given as much proof as me. Sweeping generalizations and anecdotal evidence. Don't even give me that bullshit.

[Lauriffic]

Sexual equality should be a reality. Emphasis on "should be". But, it isn't. It's idealistic to believe that it ever will be. And there's a logical reason for that. It's all about the money.

Constitutionally, men and women are supposed to be guaranteed equal treatment. Plain and simple. But, even with the letter of the law on our side, I don't anticipate women receiving equal treatment or payment in the workforce any time soon. America and the rest of the world are collectively a male dominated society. That's the way it's been traditionally for centuries. No matter how much women accomplish, there will always be that stereotype that women can't handle the same situations as men, especially in the corporate world. And, to a certain extent, that may be true. However, I'm of the opinion that women just handle a lot of situations differently than men do.

If you look at surveys taken of registered voters in the US, they show that women are generally more likely to vote on issues regarding families, social justice, the environment, and other issues regarding ethics whereas men tend to vote on money, security, and warfare issues. Men and women are inherently different in that women are more in tune to the common good whereas men are more concerned with individual gain and success. Women are generally more likely to follow their heart as opposed to their head and could potentially favor ethics over profit. Men follow their head and usually make more single-minded individualistic decisions, benefiting both themselves and their companies simultaneously. It really depends on the philosophy of the companies that are doing the employing. Statistically there are FAR less women in high power positions in Fortune 500 corporations than there are men, simply because men are the ones that get the big jobs and make the big money without getting caught up in their emotions.

Is this necessarily fair? No. But, this is a capitalist society, so a lot of things are inherently unfair. However I do think that society is taking steps against gender stereotypes. With more and more men becoming "stay at home dads", there's less of a stigma about putting emotions, personal relationships and family first.

It's not coming any time soon, not in the next 50 years at least, but hey! Optimists might say that women might ACTUALLY see true workplace equality in the next century.

[AngelinaTaylor]

So who made more money at the time you were born, your mom or your dad?

My mom made and still makes more money than my dad - and they're both managers.

You know, the field that women usually make more than men is prostitution.

Interesting. Gee, I had no idea.

Where'd you come out of, a turkey baster?

YES! You win 10 points.

Hahaha you don't got shit.

You've given as much proof as me. Sweeping generalizations and anecdotal evidence. Don't even give me that bullshit.

At least my "proof" isn't ignorant.

[cori-catastrophe]

Men deserve more money because pound for pound, they produce more. End of story. Sure, some women are exceptions, but men are naturally better at the jobs that count. I'm sure you're going to throw a tantrum about it though.

Women are dead investments because they have babies and are put out of commission for months. Men don't. I don't care if you don't plan on having a baby, we're talking in general.

It's a fact that women have babies and men don't. If you have a problem with this, study human reproduction.
Good for you? Must have been a bad concert though. This guy I know gets paid more than twice that for like 15 minutes.

It's not all fun and games for guys either. They have to pay more money on car insurance, even though women get into more accidents than men.

Face it, women are simply not as valuable as men. There's a reason why baby girls are more often aborted than baby boys.

so even the men that are alchoholics and don't work should be treated better ad payed more or equally for that matte, than women who go and have work hard for the little money that they do get? people are generally always going to say that they're worth more than they get, no matter what their gender is. what about all the single women raising kids because their no-good boyfriend or husband impregnated them and are so irresponsible to actually take care of a kid? should they have little income even when they have to pay babysitters ot watch their kids? women have way more expenses than men do.

[*kryogenix*]

My mom made and still makes more money than my dad - and they're both managers.

There ya go. I'm right.

At least my "proof" isn't ignorant.

At least I'm not ignorant.

how do i failed reading comprehension?

fixed

[AngelinaTaylor]

There ya go. I'm right.

No you're not. My mom had to work AND spend most of the day at the hospital with my grandmother.

And how are you right when I just gave you one example of a female with a bigger salary than a man? But still, the fact that my dad made less is irrelevant since his job was way different.

At least I'm not ignorant.

Based on your responses, I'd say you are. But whatever - it's a debate.

P.S. I'll stop replying because I see no point. You did make a few valuable points, but I still stand by my view, and I'm sure you do too. Ciao!

[*kryogenix*]

I win.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&...G=Google+Search

DID YOU MEAN HE INVENTED?

[cori-catastrophe]

I win.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&...G=Google+Search

DID YOU MEAN HE INVENTED?

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[USCavalry]

church says men should be the head of the family, while the women should embody the body of the family- being submissive to the man's ultimate decision. hmmmm i guess that works?

as far as salaries go i think my mom makes more

[cori-catastrophe]

church says men should be the head of the family, while the women should embody the body of the family- being submissive to the man's ultimate decision. hmmmm i guess that works?

as far as salaries go i think my mom makes more

but what if the couple doesn't go to church or have a religion at all?
anyways, what does that prove? that men are more powerful in the church so they should get higher pay? it makes no sense.

[elaboratedream]

Now say they went on a date. Chances are, the girl wouldn't spend a dime and the boy would be spending all of his hard-earned money.

I don't know what dates you've been going on, but really, hardly anyone does that anymore. I've been on many dates, but I've NEVER had the guy pay the bill. Even when he has a lot more money than me.
And what about lesbian relationships? There's no guy to pay for their dates.

Men have more needs for money than women do. Men fundamentally have a need to spend more money than women do.

No, they don't. This point is overused in this forum, but I bring it up anyways.
What about single mothers? They have FAR more needs for money than guys do.
Women have to pay for everything that a guy has to pay for and more. I doubt you could find a single thing that men have to pay for that women don't. (or at least don't have a female equivalent that they have to pay for.)

Traditionally, men are the ones out working for the money while women are at home caring for the house and children.

Uh huh. Right.
"traditionally" meaning maybe 30 years ago.

I don't know about prissy little Carmel where everyone's so filthy rich that people don't have to work, but where I live, hardly anyone follows that stereotype.

In my lifetime, I have known maybe... 5? mothers who do that. Most women work. Most women work harder than men do. Most women are far more productive than men.
Quit f**king living in the 20's or some shit like that and see that the world is changing. Women everywhere are proving that they can do anything a man can do and usually can do it better.

New Question: Male =/= Female
So why are people trying to make them equal?

You're right. Male =/= Female.
Female > Male.
end of story.

Now I propose, men are smarter than women.

That one really made me laugh. Seriously. I almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard.
Please tell me you were joking.

"Generally, men are physically stronger than women."
And then you can go on.
"Generally, men are smarter than women."
"Generally, men are more humorous than women."
And to be fair, "Generally, women are better at nurturing than men."

You're right.
Generally, men are physically stronger than women.
but
Generally, women are smarter.
Generally, women are funnier.
Generally, women are more artistic.
Generally, women work harder.
Generally, women are more productive.
Generally, women are more emotionally intelligent.
Generally, men are more egotistical.
Generally, men are more violent.
Generally, men are lazy bastards.





Lets say apples sell for $4, oranges for $3.25, bananas for $4.25, and grapes for $4.75.
Now lets say that Men are represented by Store A and Women are represented by Store B

Store A has 100 grapes. Store B only has 50 grapes. Thus Store A feels superior. After all, grapes are the most valuable fruit, and Store A has the most grapes.

But Store B also has 50 apples, 50 oranges, and 50 bananas.
Assuming both stores sell all their fruit, Store B will make over 1.7 times as much as Store A.

And that's not even taking into consideration that if given the choice, someone would much rather buy their fruit from Store B, seeing as it sells a much wider variety. And besides, Store A has a lot of rotten grapes mixed in...

[Simba]

You're right. Male =/= Female.
Female > Male.

'Kay, so why are people trying to make them equal again? 'Kay, so why are males paid more than females?

[USCavalry]

In my lifetime, I have known maybe... 5? mothers who do that. Most women work. Most women work harder than men do. Most women are far more productive than men.
Quit f**king living in the 20's or some shit like that and see that the world is changing. Women everywhere are proving that they can do anything a man can do and usually can do it better.

You're right. Male =/= Female.
Female > Male.
end of story.

Generally, men are physically stronger than women.
but
Generally, women are smarter.
Generally, women are funnier.
Generally, women are more artistic.
Generally, women work harder.
Generally, women are more productive.
Generally, women are more emotionally intelligent.
Generally, men are more egotistical.
Generally, men are more violent.
Generally, men are lazy bastards.

nice to see that someone's openly sexist, i hate all the ones who try to hide it

why don't we just round up all the men and make em wear retard caps, would that solve everything for you? by the way, is it a bad thing to violently respond to all situations? (ww2, police, if your house is being robbed (i have never fought anyone besides my brother, which was for fun)). i consider myself very emotionally intelligent, thankyou, and i can see that you're probably agitated, frustrated, oh and haughty.

i do agree with you that women work about the same as men and that women can do anything a man can do to some extent. But a man can also do anything a women can do to some extent

Female =\= Male
Which is better? fuk if i know

[Ington]

Oh my, come on kids, who here's serious about all of this.
These responses are filled with 'lol's and 'rofl's.

Anyone who seriously argued a specific side to this topic is made of pure, non-recyclable fail. Have you not learned anything at all from history?

Some people should just be taken out back and shot before they could manage to spread their worthless, silly garbage of ideals around.

You're right. Male =/= Female.
Female > Male.
end of story.
That one really made me laugh. Seriously. I almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard.
Please tell me you were joking.
You're right.
Generally, men are physically stronger than women.
but
Generally, women are smarter.
Generally, women are funnier.
Generally, women are more artistic.
Generally, women work harder.
Generally, women are more productive.
Generally, women are more emotionally intelligent.
Generally, men are more egotistical.
Generally, men are more violent.
Generally, men are lazy bastards.

Oh, you silly girl.

[Simba]

Oh my, come on kids, who here's serious about all of this.
These responses are filled with 'lol's and 'rofl's.

Anyone who seriously argued a specific side to this topic is made of pure, non-recyclable fail. Have you not learned anything at all from history?

Some people should just be taken out back and shot before they could manage to spread their worthless, silly garbage of ideals around.
Oh, you silly girl.

[elaboratedream]

Oh, you silly girl.

Who the f**k are you calling a "silly girl" don't you f**king dare try to talk condescending to me. I hope you get your balls ripped off you f**king piece of shit.

nice to see that someone's openly sexist, i hate all the ones who try to hide it

why don't we just round up all the men and make em wear retard caps, would that solve everything for you? by the way, is it a bad thing to violently respond to all situations? (ww2, police, if your house is being robbed (i have never fought anyone besides my brother, which was for fun)). i consider myself very emotionally intelligent, thankyou, and i can see that you're probably agitated, frustrated, oh and haughty.

i do agree with you that women work about the same as men and that women can do anything a man can do to some extent. But a man can also do anything a women can do to some extent

Female =\= Male
Which is better? fuk if i know

Yeah, I'm sexist. but you know what, I have a f**king right to be cuz guys are f**king assholes.
No, I don't think they should all wear retard hats I think they should f**king die. Mabye leave a few of them for breeding purposes only, but keep those ones lokced up away from us.
Guys are f**king ,assholes. All of them. They're f**king murdererers and rapists and twisted, violent abusive pieces of shit perverts. There isn't a single one of them that isn't at least a horny bastard. f**king killl them all and this world'll be a bettter place for a bit... then we'd all die off though... which is why we should keep a few of them around for breeding/pleasure for a few of those crazy ass straight chicks. something is f**king wrong with them. I don't see how anyone could find a guy attractive. they're all f**king disgusting.
I'd kill 'em all myself, but I think I'm a little too drunk right nwo to be doin that. haha.

[Simba]

Yeah, I'm sexist. but you know what, I have a f**king right to be cuz guys are f**king assholes.
No, I don't think they should all wear retard hats I think they should f**king die. Mabye leave a few of them for breeding purposes only, but keep those ones lokced up away from us.
Guys are f**king ,assholes. All of them. They're f**king murdererers and rapists and twisted, violent abusive pieces of shit perverts. There isn't a single one of them that isn't at least a horny bastard. f**king killl them all and this world'll be a bettter place for a bit... then we'd all die off though... which is why we should keep a few of them around for breeding/pleasure for a few of those crazy ass straight chicks. something is f**king wrong with them. I don't see how anyone could find a guy attractive. they're all f**king disgusting.
I'd kill 'em all myself, but I think I'm a little too drunk right nwo to be doin that. haha.

. . .

Oh, you were drunk.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Men always paying for everything on dates is a little old fashioned. More and more people these days split things.

What about single mothers? Are they just sol, since they're female?

you can easily argue single fathers with that one.

But you know, I am a girl and I still agree with paying men more. Isn't it a man's pride to be able to show he is financially capable? Or am I really just old fashioned? (haha @ me being old fashioned). And it is true that men DO take up more jobs that get their hands dirty..I don't mean as in murders or hit-man jobs (gosh!). I mean things like Archie mentioned... jobs in sewers, construction, etc etc. Call that stereotyping if you like but I've never seen a woman take up those jobs!

[*steve330*]

I don't know what dates you've been going on, but really, hardly anyone does that anymore. I've been on many dates, but I've NEVER had the guy pay the bill. Even when he has a lot more money than me.
And what about lesbian relationships? There's no guy to pay for their dates.
No, they don't. This point is overused in this forum, but I bring it up anyways.
What about single mothers? They have FAR more needs for money than guys do.
Women have to pay for everything that a guy has to pay for and more. I doubt you could find a single thing that men have to pay for that women don't. (or at least don't have a female equivalent that they have to pay for.)
Uh huh. Right.
"traditionally" meaning maybe 30 years ago.

I don't know about prissy little Carmel where everyone's so filthy rich that people don't have to work, but where I live, hardly anyone follows that stereotype.

In my lifetime, I have known maybe... 5? mothers who do that. Most women work. Most women work harder than men do. Most women are far more productive than men.
Quit f**king living in the 20's or some shit like that and see that the world is changing. Women everywhere are proving that they can do anything a man can do and usually can do it better.
You're right. Male =/= Female.
Female > Male.
end of story.
That one really made me laugh. Seriously. I almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard.
Please tell me you were joking.
You're right.
Generally, men are physically stronger than women.
but
Generally, women are smarter.
Generally, women are funnier.
Generally, women are more artistic.
Generally, women work harder.
Generally, women are more productive.
Generally, women are more emotionally intelligent.
Generally, men are more egotistical.
Generally, men are more violent.
Generally, men are lazy bastards.
Lets say apples sell for $4, oranges for $3.25, bananas for $4.25, and grapes for $4.75.
Now lets say that Men are represented by Store A and Women are represented by Store B

Store A has 100 grapes. Store B only has 50 grapes. Thus Store A feels superior. After all, grapes are the most valuable fruit, and Store A has the most grapes.

But Store B also has 50 apples, 50 oranges, and 50 bananas.
Assuming both stores sell all their fruit, Store B will make over 1.7 times as much as Store A.

And that's not even taking into consideration that if given the choice, someone would much rather buy their fruit from Store B, seeing as it sells a much wider variety. And besides, Store A has a lot of rotten grapes mixed in...

Who the f**k are you calling a "silly girl" don't you f**king dare try to talk condescending to me. I hope you get your balls ripped off you f**king piece of shit.
Yeah, I'm sexist. but you know what, I have a f**king right to be cuz guys are f**king assholes.
No, I don't think they should all wear retard hats I think they should f**king die. Mabye leave a few of them for breeding purposes only, but keep those ones lokced up away from us.
Guys are f**king ,assholes. All of them. They're f**king murdererers and rapists and twisted, violent abusive pieces of shit perverts. There isn't a single one of them that isn't at least a horny bastard. f**king killl them all and this world'll be a bettter place for a bit... then we'd all die off though... which is why we should keep a few of them around for breeding/pleasure for a few of those crazy ass straight chicks. something is f**king wrong with them. I don't see how anyone could find a guy attractive. they're all f**king disgusting.
I'd kill 'em all myself, but I think I'm a little too drunk right nwo to be doin that. haha.

Sounds like someone's sexually frustrated.

[Ington]

Who the f**k are you calling a "silly girl" don't you f**king dare try to talk condescending to me. I hope you get your balls ripped off you f**king piece of shit.

I got scared for a minute. I thought I accidentally killed the thread. Good thing I didn't, I was enjoying the conflict.

I referred to you in a condescending manner because I see you as an inferior to myself, and also an inferior to the rest of the posters of this topic. I'll 'talk condescending' to whomever I like, because this is the internet.

Besides, feminism died in the 90's. Your cause went from an equality race to a cult of those too fearful of facing the 'evil penises of death' or getting 'almost raped' (the shorter term you feminists created for 'being in the vicinity of a member of the opposite sex') to grow backbones and become productive members of society.

I disregard you completely, along with your hate-mongering regression of a philosophy.

My point stands.

[cori-catastrophe]

so the entire argument here is that men should be payed more because they do "harder" jobs? sure...they do constuction work and the like, but so do some women. women are usually smarter than men, therefore being more valuble to the industry buisness. have you ever known a male book-keeper? without women, there would be no population. of course, the same applies for men, but women are the most important when it comes to sexual roles. everyone is pretty much going around in circles and stating the same things more than once so this is pretty much pointless as of now.

[elaboratedream]

I got scared for a minute. I thought I accidentally killed the thread. Good thing I didn't, I was enjoying the conflict.

I referred to you in a condescending manner because I see you as an inferior to myself, and also an inferior to the rest of the posters of this topic. I'll 'talk condescending' to whomever I like, because this is the internet.

Go f**k yourself up the ass with a gigantic vibrating dildo you little piece of shit.

[Ington]

The only way you can phase me, ursedonah, is by bringing up a valid point supporting your conclusions. Creative threats involving dildos don't exactly fill that role.



Hazardous, your point about women 'usually' being smarter than men is completely unsupported by any information. There is no historical study, no scientific journal or experiment, that has touched on the conclusion that one gender is naturally smarter than the other. Your statement is completely unbacked by any information other than opinion and rumors about women, and you seem to be continuing the circle you mentioned in your reply.

Additionally, I've heard of a male book-keeper. He's a guy that likes books. I didn't know that liking books was a girl thing.

And even further, men are just as essential to the reproductive process as women are. Argue as much as you like about how women are the ones who actually carry the baby for nine months, but without the man, (even a neglecting, conceited, irresponsible teenager) the baby would not be created at all. Their roles in the process are essentially equal.

Further still, your statement about women being more important in sexual roles is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Is there any need for me to even argue against it?


I love arguing against both sides of the argument.

[*steve330*]

As to the topic. Yes women are smarts, I won't debate that. Men take the higher up jobs, and take big responsibility jobs, and because of that have to do more work and suffer through more stress. Women may have lesser jobs and make less money, but that serves as a social crutch and often times I see that fully taken advantage of. As to the person whose going nuts over killing men etc, maybe you just aren't one of the smart women who see things the way they are and know when to just take things as they are and realize that it will stay that way for a long time.

[queen]

since we're saying that men and women have different positive/negative qualities, then women should get paid more as nurses, and men should get paid more as engineers, no?

[Ington]

What about the male nurses or doctors, and what about female engineers?

And about steve330's comment, men do not take up better jobs due to their higher tolerance for stress. There is no stress-tolerance gap between the genders. The only reason why men still get some of the better jobs is because women only started working in prominent positions in the past century, and the world is still somewhat adjusting.

[*steve330*]

I Never said men took them up because they had higher tolerance. I said they do that because women don't want those jobs as much. Women would much rather be working a little bit lower and not have to deal with all the bureaucratic bullshit and still make a fine sum of money while having a great deal of influence.

[queen]

i was being somewhat sarcastic and was referring mostly to kryo's comment.

besides, if we're gonna address the issue of paying women the same amount as men for doing the same jobs, why not address the reverse issue? paying women more working jobs that are generally "better fitted" for them would balance out the fact that men get paid more for working jobs that they're supposedly "better" at.

[Just_Dream]

I Never said men took them up because they had higher tolerance. I said they do that because women don't want those jobs as much. Women would much rather be working a little bit lower and not have to deal with all the bureaucratic bullshit and still make a fine sum of money while having a great deal of influence.

Ahh, now now, you're making generalizations.

1. Generally, women are smarter.
2. Generally, women are funnier.
3. Generally, women are more artistic.
4. Generally, women work harder.
5. Generally, women are more productive.
6. Generally, women are more emotionally intelligent.
7. Generally, men are more egotistical.
8. Generally, men are more violent.
9. Generally, men are lazy bastards.

1. My high school valedictorian was male.
2. Did you just pull this out of your ass?
3. Let's not bring up art in this. Art is not defined a specific way, so that makes this claim useless.
4. Where did you gain this conclusion?
5. Same as #4
6. Maybe SOME women SHOW it more, but men have the same potential emotional intelligence.
7. I've come across a lot of egotistical chicks in the 19 years I've been alive.
8. Women can be violent too. I witnessed a girl throw another girl into a trashcan and her head was bleeding a lot. That was pretty violent, if you ask me. Have you read "A Child Called It"? I rest my case.
9. You know, if men are such lazy b-tards (no relation to 4chan), then they would be home all day and not even work at all. I mean, there's probably some men like that, but there's women like that too.

[USCavalry]

the only women that i openly hate are those who think they are somehow superior to you because of who they hang out with, their physical appearance, and their relentless notion that you do not exist. but i hate any man who does the same just as equally. i would punch women in the face just as quikly as any man if it was legal, all this bs about being overly considerate to women shoulda gone out the window with the feminist movement (for any women who are genuine about it). my sister came in my room the other day and started hitting me and throwing random objects at me all the while commanding me to make her lunch. i punched her in the stomach and made her cry, oh look at me the horrible man...

[cori-catastrophe]

studies show that neither men or women are superior to each other. the sexual phenotype is the only difference. they both have different intelligiance levels, but they have different types of which they use more of depending on their gender. as far as reproduction goes, they both play roles in the outcome. however, there are more single mothers than single fathers. sexism is truely stupid when it comes right down to it. it gets you nowhere. both genders are hard-working exept for exeptions, like everything else in the world. clearly, you know as well as i do that women worked outside the home even fifty years ago.
if you need anymore proof, search google. there are tons of studies there.

Women, for their part, learn to speak earlier, know more words, recall them better, pause less and glide through tongue twisters.

Although sex differences in brain and body take their inspiration from the central agenda of reproduction, they don't end there. "We've practiced medicine as though only a woman's breasts, uterus and ovaries made her unique -- and as though her heart, brain and every other part of her body were identical to those of a man," says Marianne J. Legato, M.D., a cardiologist at Columbia University who spearheads the new push on gender differences. Legato notes that women live longer but break down more.

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-2832.html

[NYCin2009]

That is very traditional the idea of men having to pay for everything.

I believe that men and women both have things that need to spend on. Saying that one gender needs more money for whatever reason is very stereotypical; however, life isn't fair, all we can really do is vote to hopefully have our opinions represented by congress.