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 Apr 24 2007, 12:42 AM
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I'm pretty intrigued by this whole "let's try to poke holes in the Christian faith" fad, so I've tried one out myself! Here's my line of thought:
EDIT// There are also obvious imperfections in his creations, i.e., random deformations, stillborns, cancer, etc.. I'm not sure about this point, but it seems to have relevance at the moment. |
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Apr 24 2007, 10:27 AM
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look for the stars as the sun goes down Group: Member Posts: 493 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 453,963 |
christianity has many swiss cheese holes. it's said that we were created in the image of god. perfection...well there is no actual definition of it. if you think about it carefully. or if you look at things at a different perspective. for example: us beings, animals, plants, etc.. is formed like phi. god i can't explain it. it's hard to explain. umm yah in a sense that's kinda like perfection cuz everything fits together so evenly and exaclty. if you think about it from another perspective,...we and everything could be magic. cuz if there is other life out there in the universe they could be alive but they would have a whole different mechanism for living. for example we live cuz we got lungs which help us breath oxygen. and we have a heart. well other aliens could like have a different mechanism. so it's kinda like magic how things are. maybe science is magic. cuz in the universe the aliens can have a different "law of physics". ya know? cuz this is our world and we have our own laws. but in different worlds out there there could be different laws. ok i don't know if this has to do with the topic but i felt dizty and wanted to say something
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Apr 24 2007, 08:00 PM
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 The one man Voltron Group: Member Posts: 711 Joined: Dec 2006 Member No: 491,519 |
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Apr 24 2007, 08:09 PM
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 hardxcore. Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 |
jesus is god, according to trinity. he's sinless, not perfect.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdu...sus_sinless.htm |
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Apr 24 2007, 10:11 PM
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^ So you're under the impression that Christianity would consider God sinless, but not perfect? Doesn't omnipotence/omniscience, by its very root concept, equal perfection? Beyond knowing everything and being more powerful than everything (hence, not needing any ends and therefore not needing to create means [us] to achieve those ends), how much more perfect does it get?
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Apr 25 2007, 01:22 AM
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God, I hate retards like you that think you are trying to outwit something that's been around for longer than 2000 years.
If you yourself don't know the answer to the question you asked, silly ol' man; then you're an idiot. There are better questions out there that can make a Christian doubt his faith, but this one; definitely not one of them. |
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Apr 25 2007, 03:59 PM
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hardxcore. Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 |
QUOTE Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This Source Main Entry: divine Part of Speech: adjective Definition: perfect Synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, ambrosial, angelic, anointed, beatific, beautiful, blissful, celestial, consecrated, deific, deistic, eternal, exalted, excellent, glorious, godly, hallowed, heavenly, holy, immaculate, magnificent, marvelous, mystical, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, perfect, rapturous, religious, sacramental, sacred, sacrosanct, sanctified, spiritual, splendid, superhuman, superlative, supernatural, supreme, theistic, transcendent, transcendental, unearthly, wonder Antonyms: imperfect, profane, unholy Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1) Copyright © 2007 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved. QUOTE Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This Source Main Entry: clean Part of Speech: adjective 3 Definition: chaste Synonyms: blameless, crimeless, decent, exemplary, faultless, good, guiltless, honorable, inculpable, innocent, modest, moral, respectable, sinless, undefiled, unguilty, unsullied, upright, virtuous, wholesome Antonyms: defiled, immoral, impure, indecent, unchaste, unvirtuous Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1) Copyright © 2007 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved. do you see both of the word in eiher of the synonyms? god created us to spread the news of his faith. he created us out of a loving attitude. how does that prove that he's not sinless? |
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Apr 25 2007, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Apr 25 2007, 1:22 AM)  God, I hate retards like you that think you are trying to outwit something that's been around for longer than 2000 years. If you yourself don't know the answer to the question you asked, silly ol' man; then you're an idiot. There are better questions out there that can make a Christian doubt his faith, but this one; definitely not one of them. So what's the answer to the question then, Einstein? Rather than wasting everyone's time and adding nothing to the debate by spewing out an inane insult at me, how about you answer this "simple" question? Do you honestly think antiquity means something can't be outwitted? That's how philosophy/theology/argumentation works, dumbass; philosophers, for instance, have been writing books for centuries that attempt to discredit the ideas of Plato (and I think he predates the Bible, last time I checked). These books, by Nietzsche, de Beauvoir, and others, are all considered to be staple works in philosophical tradition. No one calls them "retards" for trying to dispute Plato. I'd like to know why you think that the Bible's age means it can't be outwitted. God is described by the Bible as omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, etc... I don't think Christians dispute that. The very concept of perfection implies that there is nothing else that needs to be added to/subtracted from God -- he's already perfect! What I'm here to find out is: if he's perfect, why did he create us? Hazardous' response: QUOTE god created us to spread the news of his faith. he created us out of a loving attitude. how does that prove that he's not sinless? He has, by virtue of his perfection, no need to create people to spread any news of his faith -- that's means by which to reach and end, and he's perfect (no need for ends). I want to know why he made us in the first place -- he'd have no whim to create us if he was perfect in every way. Christianity claims that we were put here to glorify and worship God, right? Well, what I'm saying is that a perfect God wouldn't care if there were no one to glorify him because he's perfect -- completely content. Again, I'm not sure why I'm a "retard" because of this line of thinking -- how about you show me, Podomaht? |
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Apr 25 2007, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(silly ol' man @ Apr 25 2007, 11:57 PM) So what's the answer to the question then, Einstein? Rather than wasting everyone's time and adding nothing to the debate by spewing out an inane insult at me, how about you answer this "simple" question? Do you honestly think antiquity means something can't be outwitted? That's how philosophy/theology/argumentation works, dumbass; philosophers, for instance, have been writing books for centuries that attempt to discredit the ideas of Plato (and I think he predates the Bible, last time I checked). These books, by Nietzsche, de Beauvoir, and others, are all considered to be staple works in philosophical tradition. No one calls them "retards" for trying to dispute Plato. I'd like to know why you think that the Bible's age means it can't be outwitted. God is described by the Bible as omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, etc... I don't think Christians dispute that. The very concept of perfection implies that there is nothing else that needs to be added to/subtracted from God -- he's already perfect! What I'm here to find out is: if he's perfect, why did he create us? Hazardous' response: He has, by virtue of his perfection, no need to create people to spread any news of his faith -- that's means by which to reach and end, and he's perfect (no need for ends). I want to know why he made us in the first place -- he'd have no whim to create us if he was perfect in every way. Christianity claims that we were put here to glorify and worship God, right? Well, what I'm saying is that a perfect God wouldn't care if there were no one to glorify him because he's perfect -- completely content. Again, I'm not sure why I'm a "retard" because of this line of thinking -- how about you show me, Podomaht? Is your sarcasm-o-meter broken? |
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Apr 26 2007, 02:36 AM
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Judging by the overall nature of your replies (despite the topic), it's difficult to judge when you are/are not being a vicious tool.
Sorry for not getting the hint on the first go-around. PS -- this isn't a subforum where sarcastic replies that add nothing to the debate are really welcome. |
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Apr 26 2007, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(silly ol' man @ Apr 26 2007, 3:36 AM) Judging by the overall nature of your replies (despite the topic), it's difficult to judge when you are/are not being a vicious tool. Sorry for not getting the hint on the first go-around. PS -- this isn't a subforum where sarcastic replies that add nothing to the debate are really welcome. In which case, I'll apologize for not making the sarcasm more evident. And, I'll post whatever I please as long as it's within the rules. But I'll break the rules occasionally. |
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May 18 2007, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Apr 26 2007, 12:41 PM) In which case, I'll apologize for not making the sarcasm more evident. And, I'll post whatever I please as long as it's within the rules. But I'll break the rules occasionally. Glad to see the debate boards are still stellar. 
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