Out of control Boy's Locker Room Options

[phoenixpyre]

There is an abundance of UN PG-13 topics in there about female orifices, explicit sexual acts, etc. and it's driving me crazy that NO ONE is doing anything about it.

Look at this garbage (all on the first page too)

Poll: Have You Ever Seen One ? (Mens Version).

[referring to the female orifice]

Guys who go through o**l sex are not considered virgins anymore.

Fingering.

Do they discuss these things in PG-13 movies? Because if so I am certainly missing them (thank the lord).

[*Intercourse.*]

I do agree that something should be done, but I don't think its going to happen. People are going to complain about it until they keep it up and I really have always thought that the PG-13 rule should be a bit explained more. Instead of just leaving people to think have I seen this in a PG-13 movie?


There has been previous things about this though and nothing was really done..

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

It's hard to expect much better from male teenagers on the Internet. The most that could be done is be more strict about the topic's contents and style, although it is impossible to predict if this would work or not.

It more than likely wouldn't stop posts that could fall outside the PG-13's rule reach, but if it could somehow influence a few of that sub-forum's habitual posters into reporting those kind of threads/posts we'd be getting somewhere.

For the record, I don't particularly mind the sex talk unless when it's absolutely retarded and makes me wish I could sterilize people over the Internet.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I brought up the "Favorite Position" thread backstage, but it was considered PG-13 and so it was left alone. I don't really consider discussing your favorite sexual position to be PG-13. 13 year olds shouldn't know about that stuff...

[*Monochrome.*]

You know honestly if you cant be mature and handle it then dont click on it.
I understand that it pushes the line alot and that alot of people are really imature and not "rated pg-13" about it but If no one else is offeneded i really think this is just a personal issue.

Just dont go in the boys/girls locker room.Dont click.We shouldent have to just church it up because you are crying about it.

[shortnsweet88]

I have an idea..how about...when you post a topic if its not pg-13 in the second space where you can write like a sub title for the topic...write something like R rated or something. That way...they are fully Aware and warned about what they are about to view

[HakunaMatata]

^Unfortunately, that can't work because R-rated topics aren't allowed at all.

[phoenixpyre]

I'm not being a church-going pansy here, please do not disrespect the way I feel about it. And it's not just the boys. A fourteen year-old GIRL asked the question about fingering. I think that if people have questions like that, they belong on a sex forum. cB doesn't have to be all smiles and hugs, but it shouldn't have topics about stuff like the above mentioned.

You know honestly if you cant be mature and handle it then dont click on it.

Excuse me, maturity has nothing to do with it. I'm not giggling or being offended by it, I'm simply inquiring because it IS a violation of the cb RULES. If you think that rules should be ignored, than you're the immature one. (I'm not calling you immature, I am only saying "if")

[*Duchess of Dork*]

One of the problems with anything rated "PG-13" is its inherent subjectivity.

PG-13 is thus a sterner warning to parents, particularly when deciding which movies are not suitable for younger children. Parents, by the rating, are alerted to be very careful about the attendance of their under-teenage children. A PG-13 film is one which, in the view of the Rating Board, leaps beyond the boundaries of the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, or other contents, but does not quite fit within the restricted R category. Any drug use content will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. In effect, the PG-13 cautions parents with more stringency than usual to give special attention to this film before they allow their 12-year-olds and younger to attend. If nudity is sexually oriented, the film will generally not be found in the PG-13 category. If violence is too rough or persistent, the film goes into the R (restricted) rating. A film's single use of one of the harsher sexually derived words, though only as an expletive, shall initially require the Rating Board to issue that film at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive must lead the Rating Board to issue a film an R rating, as must even one of these words used in a sexual context. These films can be rated less severely, however, if by a special vote, the Rating Board feels that a lesser rating would more responsibly reflect the opinion of American parents.

PG-13 places larger responsibilities on parents for their children and moviegoing. The voluntary rating system is not a surrogate parent, nor should it be. It cannot, and should not, insert itself in family decisions that only parents can make. Its purpose is to give pre-screened informational warnings, so that parents can form their own judgments. PG-13 is designed to make parental decisions easier for films between PG and R.

Source: MPAA Ratings
I'd really like to point out the bolded paragraph. While we try to keep things reasonably PG-13, the system isn't foolproof, neither are the "rules" in regards to the forum content rating/guideline.

You have to use judgement, same as we (the moderators) do.

I respect your concerns and I think that it's admirable that you care. However, I will have to respectfully disagree that what you have mentioned is in violation of cB Rules.

My recommendation is that if you see something you feel *is* in violation, report the post or send a link to that post/topic to a Staff Member with moderating powers in that forum (most likely a People Staff, Admin or Head Staff) and we'll discuss it. Sometimes *we're* wrong. Sometimes we might miss something. Either way, no one here wants anyone to feel uncomfortable. :)

[*I Viddy Horrorshow*]

I'm not being a church-going pansy here, please do not disrespect the way I feel about it. And it's not just the boys. A fourteen year-old GIRL asked the question about fingering. I think that if people have questions like that, they belong on a sex forum. cB doesn't have to be all smiles and hugs, but it shouldn't have topics about stuff like the above mentioned.
Excuse me, maturity has nothing to do with it. I'm not giggling or being offended by it, I'm simply inquiring because it IS a violation of the cb RULES. If you think that rules should be ignored, than you're the immature one. (I'm not calling you immature, I am only saying "if")

I'm not disrespecting the way you feel about this, but nohing you have reported me causes me concern, nor do I consider them to be out of the PG-13 range.

As Rebecca suggested, report posts individually. The problem here isn't that we dont have the rules to stop this 'problem', but rather that this is a judgement-call situation, and your judgement seems to differ from the majority's.

[*Monochrome.*]

I'm not being a church-going pansy here, please do not disrespect the way I feel about it. And it's not just the boys. A fourteen year-old GIRL asked the question about fingering. I think that if people have questions like that, they belong on a sex forum. cB doesn't have to be all smiles and hugs, but it shouldn't have topics about stuff like the above mentioned.
Excuse me, maturity has nothing to do with it. I'm not giggling or being offended by it, I'm simply inquiring because it IS a violation of the cb RULES. If you think that rules should be ignored, than you're the immature one. (I'm not calling you immature, I am only saying "if")

Maybe we might have to password protect the 2 forums so that it becomes private from the general public and IF you feel comfortable with mature content then you would just PM a staff member for the password.

Ive seen this on many other forums,and it works for them.The password is "click-at-your-own-risk".

[phoenixpyre]

Well, I understand that it may be uncontrollable, and I guess I can respect that, somewhat. It's just another one of those things in life that I cannot control.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Hey, I actually AM a church going pansy..and I don't think anyone is disrespecting you..maybe just disagreeing.

We don't have a sex forum.

Also, wouldn't you rather that fourteen year old girl ask US what fingering is...rather then asking some old, pedophilic man and he has her learn by example?

I understand where are you trying to get, however, if anything, the internet is not precisely known by being clean of old pedophilic people >_>;. This is still an open forum and that should be taken into consideration before posting, as it has been said earlier in here.

[*brownsugar*]

But if someone is just ASKING what it is, how is that going to hurt them?

It's not like they are posting a picture of themselves attached with their address, and asking someone to come to their house and explain it.

It's a general question. Like, "What is a broom?"

All they are doing is gaining knowledge.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

But if someone is just ASKING what it is, how is that going to hurt them?

It's not like they are posting a picture of themselves attached with their address, and asking someone to come to their house and explain it.

It's a general question. Like, "What is a broom?"

All they are doing is gaining knowledge.

If people weren't hurt by some of the answers that can be found around Createblog, this topic wouldn't exist in the first place. I agree with Mipadi that there's always a risk when posting about certain subjects in an open Internet forum, and that before posting said probability of failure should be taken into consideration.

The fact that there's a more or so solid core of users in this community, doesn't mean the dictates of common sense should be put aside when deciding to post about certain topics while in the boards.

To continue with the example we were using, but purely out of curiosity: What kind of self-respecting pedophile would bother reading threads where 14 year old girls and boy discuss various masturbation techniques?

[shortnsweet88]

I think the only way to resolve this issue is create a rated r forum of some form. This is a bit ridiculous to me only because not everybody is always going to agree on whats pg-13 and not and to be quite honest I dont know how its soo offensive and if it actually offends you...dont participate...

[*Monochrome.*]

Maybe we might have to password protect the 2 forums so that it becomes private from the general public and IF you feel comfortable with mature content then you would just PM a staff member for the password.

Ive seen this on many other forums,and it works for them.The password is "click-at-your-own-risk".

I would understand if you saw topics explicitly describing sexual acts, or if there were images attached that are vulgar, but honestly I don't think it's that bad.

I've been to other forums that tag "NSFW" (not safe for work) for topics that are of questionable content, like what you said. Maybe we can enforce a rule to tag something like that with NSFW.

As for mod work, if someone doesn't know of the rule, it's not hard at all to edit a topic title to say NSFW.

Of course, the PG 13 rule will still be pertained.

2 really good ideas cB should consider.

[radhikaeatsraman]

I think we should just have a NSFW (not safe for work) forum where people can post whatever they'd like, and it could be password protected and a member could PM a staff member for the password like Diana said.

[phoenixpyre]

I doubt that would work. I don't think it's that I'm offended, I just thought there would be more... censorship about it, but as I realize now, that's both wrong and impossible.

This REALLY can be put to rest. I think the issue was... well settled.

[Simba]

Hm, I'm still kind of interested in the concept of a NSFW forum. I'm all about freedom of speech (if people can handle it).

However, would this become a free-for-all forum, or an order in which "Rated R" is allowed, but all other Community Guidelines (besides the PG-13 rule)? I personally would choose the latter, however much more lenient on the Community Guidelines.

After all, you enter the forum at your own risk.

[phoenixpyre]

Hm, I'm kind of interested in the concept of a NSFW forum. I'm all about freedom of speech (if people can handle it).

However, would this going to become a free-for-all forum, or an order in which "Rated R" is allowed, but all other Community Guidelines (besides the PG-13 rule)? I personally would choose the latter, however much more lenient on the Community Guidelines.

After all, you enter the forum at your own risk.

A-whole-nother forum may be a bit... eh

I don't think that's necessary. The topics in the locker room ARE relevant to a typical boys locker room i guess

[Simba]

A-whole-nother forum may be a bit... eh

Looking at the demographics of createBlog, I see what you mean.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I really don't think it's that big of a deal if the topics are made purely out of curiosity and not made in a way that could be construed as inappropriate. Those types of topics should be posted in the same wording and tone that one would take asking such questions to their parents. Personally, I take solace in the fact that I found out about such things before I had to encounter any of them in real life and condemn most school sex education programs because of it. Kids 11/12 and up should know what these things are (not that they should practice them at that age) so that it wouldn't be such a taboo and less jokes would be made about it because it wouldn't be a big deal. They would all know the functions and such. So, I think that CB is helping to cultivate a more mature teenage society by giving answers to younger people with such questions.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Uninformed and inexperienced teenagers helping other uninformed and inexperienced teenagers; this should go on like a house on fire.

I would like to think that if people turn on to the Internet to talk about these things it isn't to actually learn about them, but instead to please their natural curiosity by writing about whatever topic they don't dare to bring up in a discussion outside of the Internet. I really wish to think that.

That being said, if we were to have a NSFW forum we could include a warning with regards its contents in the pop-up where we'd be asked for the log-in name/password. This way registering for that specific message board would mean that the user has read the warning and agrees to enter the NSFW forum at its own risk, without Createblog.com being held responsible in any way.

[Simba]

That being said, if we were to have a NSFW forum we could include a warning with regards its contents in the pop-up where we'd be asked for the log-in name/password. This way registering for that specific message board would mean that the user has read the warning and agrees to enter the NSFW forum at its own risk, without Createblog.com being held responsible in any way.

Exactly why I'm starting to like the idea of a NSFW forum.

[*mona lisa*]

So exactly who (which groups) woud gain authorization to enter the forum?

Would the log-in and password be the user's own username and password or would the NSFW forum be password protected with just one password? I think the former would be harder to implement considering the software of this forum.

I'm not sure I like the idea of having a whole separate forum. I remember the discussion about having a sex forum, which basically turned into the Health forum.

I mean, when you register, you agree that you're over the age of 13, even if you're lying about your age. So if you encounter something you don't agree with, then there isn't much that can be done.

It may be difficult to say that it should remain a case-by-case basis, but I think that works best. If it really is inappropriate, it will be closed.

[Simba]

The thing with the password forum is that the password could easily be leaked.

And I don't really like the idea of a whole separate forum either. I think a "sub-forum" within createBlog would do just fine.

[*mona lisa*]

So how would the NSFW forum work?

Edit: By separate forum, I meant one still on CB, somewhere in the Community Center.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

The password and login name are merely symbolical, and should be the same ones that we use for Createblog. Rather than for identification purposes, that information would be used as a signature according the user has read the warning notice and enters that place at their own risk, etc... .

I was thinking of a forum board within createblog, but not integrated in any particular subgroup. As I see it, that forum should be only limited by the rules that affect createblog as a whole. For example, posting explicit pornography would still be a violation of the rules but spam topics, macros wars, etc... could run apace.

EDIT: Post count should be disabled for the NSFW board, as it is for the Sandbox.

[radhikaeatsraman]

^I like that idea.

To quell any fears about the password leaking; what would a moderator do if they found out that a member's account was hacked by someone? Also, I think there could be a list of people who have access to the NSFW subforum, either as a pinned topic within the forum or a list backstage, similar to the warning tracking thread.

Also, a rule could be implemented in the Locker Rooms & Health as to giving out accurate information. The same rule could be implemented in the NSFW forum if any questions about sexual acts or other explicitly sexual things are asked.

[Simba]

So exactly who (which groups) woud gain authorization to enter the forum?

I believe someone proposed that any member could ask for the password; whether to give the password or not would be up to the moderator, I suppose.

This would also make it easier to keep track of who has access to the NSFW forum, if we go with Radhika's idea of listing people.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Theorically our movements in CB should be logged, although I am not sure if that's the case in here as it is in many other online forums. If CB follows the norm, tracking users around the site shouldn't be a problem.

I would use the NSFW forum for dumping all wacky topics in it, while trying to keep the accurate information in the Health Forum or in the Locker rooms. Otherwise there's not much of a point in having a "free-for-all" board.

[Simba]

Well, if the intention is to keep all of the more accurate information in the Health and Locker forums, then the NSFW forum would just become another Sandbox forum (without the PG-13 rule). Which we really don't need.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Then the best solution is to clean up the Lockers.

[*I Viddy Horrorshow*]

The best solution is to leave things as they are, as they by and large work very well, and individual probems can be dealt with as and when they arise.

[*Monochrome.*]

The thing with the password forum is that the password could easily be leaked.

What if its jsut a random series of numbers that changes each time its given out to a member??

[*disco infiltrator*]

Like Radhika and James (and myself previously), I still don't think that it's that big of a deal at all. I haven't heard or seen too many complaints on vulgarity of the topics and I don't think things like that warrant warnings or anything. Like everyone else has said, as a guideline for any member, if you see a topic that is disagreeable, report it and it will be dealt with.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Honestly, I think this is being blown out of proportion. I've read the topic starter post things like "if you let a guy finger you you're a whore" and I think that the problem doesn't lie in the topic posters, it lies in the maturity of the topic readers.

Excellent point, and I would like to add those who respond to the topic as well.

I'm more concerned with the lack of respect some individuals have for those who may be having a legitimate problem, or a sincere concern than I am with "PG13."

I've been to/participated in Forums that have NC17, limited access sub-forums. (Not that I'm saying we need an NC17 forum, just stating an example).

It seems that what they do is have people ask for access to that forum as opposed to access automatically given when registering if the age requirement is met. Those who abuse the privilege will be banned from that particular forum. It's based on username access as opposed to password access.

There are good and bad aspects to this. The good is that not only will there be potential limitations on those who may get offended, but it will give those who are of age and maturity an opportunity to express themselves more freely without the fear of offending or having a mod slap a PG13 Violation/Thread Closure/Thread Edit on them. The bad is that there are always those who will get in (one way or another) and either get upset because they're offended (which quite frankly should be null and void if they wanted to come into that forum in the first place) or those who want access just to have access to another subforum and disrespect, go beyond the line (which of course hasn't been created/drawn), etc.

[*My Cinderella.*]

With the whole Rated R forum thing, I think little kids could easily access the forum by lying about their age or something. So, I'm kind of for the password protected forum.

Diana, I can of see where you're going with it. The password can be changed often to prevent hacking. Maybe it could be changed weekly.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Quite frankly, I'm annoyed with the whole "think of the children!" attitude here. If someone feels they're mature enough to be let into an R-rated forum, let them. If they start something or make a big deal out of it, they can either be banned or we can remind them that they chose to go into that forum and that it's their problem.