Is it wrong to be a virgin in high school? |
Is it wrong to be a virgin in high school? |
Mar 12 2007, 07:53 PM
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![]() One Love. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Duplicate Posts: 1,079 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 410,480 |
cuz most guys lose it during their freshman/sophomore year in high school .. dats wat i heard
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Mar 12 2007, 07:54 PM
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![]() i'm maggie =] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 3,607 Joined: Jan 2006 Member No: 361,616 |
uh, no.
actually, saving yourself for marriage is much more popular with the ladies (i think). |
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Mar 12 2007, 07:55 PM
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![]() chinky ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,566 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 434,437 |
Stay a virgin your whole life. I'm sure you'll feel much better about yourself.
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Mar 12 2007, 07:57 PM
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![]() hi, my names james and i like balls. ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 85 Joined: Feb 2007 Member No: 506,555 |
uh thats a dumb question... of course its not................. |
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| *WHIMSICAL 0NE* |
Mar 12 2007, 08:03 PM
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No, it's a not bad thing. I think it's good to wait until you're mature (physically and mentally) to make mature decisions.
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Mar 12 2007, 08:04 PM
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![]() One Love. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Duplicate Posts: 1,079 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 410,480 |
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Mar 12 2007, 08:08 PM
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![]() chinky ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,566 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 434,437 |
So what if they lost their virginity during high school? That doesn't make it wrong to keep it, either.
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Mar 12 2007, 08:42 PM
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Yawn ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 9,530 Joined: Nov 2004 Member No: 65,772 |
No, it's def not wrong.
I really admire guys that still are virgins in college. But why is this in Health? =MOVED TO RELATIONSHIPS= didn't think it belonged really in either Girls or Boys lockerrooms. Basically both genders can answer. so Relationships it is. |
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Mar 12 2007, 08:44 PM
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hardxcore. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 |
Noooo. Please don't give up your virginity because it's cool. You'll regret it later.
And those guys are just man-whores. |
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Mar 12 2007, 09:02 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 18,173 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 108,478 |
No, not at all. Don't think that you need to lose your virginity before junior year just because most guys lose it in 9th or 10th grade. Peer pressure's a really stupid reason to have sex for the first time. You'll probably regret it later on and wish you'd saved it for someone you really liked.
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Mar 12 2007, 09:04 PM
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muhfucka yo mama's a bitch ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,461 Joined: Feb 2007 Member No: 506,674 |
Nah, mang.
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Mar 12 2007, 09:10 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,746 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 17,125 |
I think you're doomed. I lost my virginity when I was seven.
Sorry. :\ |
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Mar 12 2007, 09:11 PM
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Mar 12 2007, 09:37 PM
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![]() Being happy...is all that matters ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 765 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 102,284 |
Yes it's very very wrong to be a virgin in high school. See by the time you get to high school, you're supposed to have lost your virginity to somebody that meant nothing than you, other than the fact that he/she was your "boy/girlfriend", while being drunk. Why, who ever goes into high school being a virgin? Didn't you know that to be "cool" and "in" you MUST not be a virgin?
....that was sarcasm in case you didn't catch that. |
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| *My Cinderella.* |
Mar 12 2007, 10:27 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being a virgin. You should force yourself to do anything just because other people your age have already done it when they were like 12. When you're good and ready.
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Mar 12 2007, 11:06 PM
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![]() chinky ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,566 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 434,437 |
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Mar 12 2007, 11:56 PM
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![]() i've never wanted anything rationale. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,449 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 19,045 |
Actually I don't think most freshman guys get any...The average age is around 16 for both male and females but that doesn't mean that you should lose it then. The only "right" time to do it is when you are completely ready, as well as your partner.
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| *Uronacid* |
Mar 13 2007, 12:03 AM
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I'm never sure if you're being a complete idiot or you're serious...
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Mar 13 2007, 12:35 AM
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muhfucka yo mama's a bitch ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,461 Joined: Feb 2007 Member No: 506,674 |
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Mar 13 2007, 12:44 AM
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![]() Jake - The Unholy Trinity / Premiscuous Poeteer. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,272 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 411,316 |
Yes, there is something wrong with that. You should have lost it when you were in Middle School. You slut.
Haha, just kidding. No, but everyone I've ever talked to wished that they were still a virgin. Everyone. |
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| *Monochrome.* |
Mar 13 2007, 04:13 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kid,what are you 14/15? Save it for marriage or if you really,really think that being a virgin in highschool sucks then wait till your senior year or a freshman in college. Hell,theres alot of people who regret losing it so early and i dont think you want to be one of those people. Like they said above,Truely wait till your body is mature along with your emotional state.Freshys and sophmores usualy dont have a mature brain capacity yet. |
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Mar 13 2007, 04:43 AM
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Mar 13 2007, 09:21 AM
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![]() suckaaaa free ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 158 Joined: Feb 2007 Member No: 504,684 |
Contrary to popular belief, being a virgin in high school is not a bad thing at all. I wouldn't go and say wait until you're married, unless that's what you want, but definitely wait until you're more mature and you're with someone you love or have strong feelings for. The worst thing is having sex before you're 100% ready, because you can never get that first time back.
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| *KCreateBlog* |
Mar 13 2007, 01:00 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, being a virgin in high school is not a bad thing at all. I wouldn't go and say wait until you're married, unless that's what you want, but definitely wait until you're more mature and you're with someone you love or have strong feelings for. The worst thing is having sex before you're 100% ready, because you can never get that first time back. Iono about that, depends on who you hang out with I guess. Because I remember my freshman year in High School I told the people I hung out with I was a virgin and they were all like: And then I told them I was saving it for marriage and they were like: I mean literally ROFLing. But as far as bieng a virgin in high school , I would say its better than having a STD and in high shcool. So nah its really not wrong to be a virgin and in high school. |
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Mar 13 2007, 02:04 PM
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I'm sure a lot of people in high-school lose it. But it's up to you whether it's "wrong" or not; it depends on your beliefs.
I'm not any religion, so I don't care if people are virgins or not. I think losing your virginity to someone you trust and love is fine, but losing it to someone you barely know and just met at a party isn't. |
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Mar 13 2007, 02:08 PM
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What kind of freshmans went to your high school? Geez...when I was a freshman only thing that occupied our time was playing the all new super cool GBA & Yu Gi Oh cards
& no...nothing wrong with being a virgin at all. |
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Mar 13 2007, 02:36 PM
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![]() I've got ADD and magic markers. Oh the thrills I will have. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 624 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 445,743 |
I'm never sure if you're being a complete idiot or you're serious... Ditto. When I read the topic title my first reaction was, "Are you a freakin' idiot?" But saying that wouldn't be very nice. |
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Mar 13 2007, 04:07 PM
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Ditto. When I read the topic title my first reaction was, "Are you a freakin' idiot?" But saying that wouldn't be very nice. Yeah... seriously... >.> |
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Mar 13 2007, 05:18 PM
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![]() that's what she said ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 848 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 436,512 |
YES, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE & GO TO HELL.
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Mar 13 2007, 06:15 PM
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I dont think so.
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Mar 13 2007, 11:25 PM
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![]() vivacity ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 3,183 Joined: Jan 2007 Member No: 495,247 |
Of course it's not wrong. You should make your own choices.
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| *Uronacid* |
Mar 13 2007, 11:30 PM
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Billy Madison: Of course I peed my pants, everyone my age pees their pants. It's the coolest.
Same concept... |
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Mar 14 2007, 12:24 AM
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![]() Hello There. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,572 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 88,673 |
I bet some of them are lying. Some are serious.
.... This is a stupid question. |
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Mar 14 2007, 01:36 AM
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Man all my friends had sex in high school. Im the only one remaining that hasn't drank alcohol and hasn't had sex(that includes oral). I've always believe that sex waits till marriage. My girlfriend and I have been dating for almost nine months now and sex is something her and I have a set rule upon. Its the hardest thing to do to wait till marriage but when I have kids I can truthfully say that I didnt give into the peer pressure. It'll be one of the many things that makes me unique from everyone . and plus girls in college dig the virgins. Giggidy giiggidy for me
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Mar 14 2007, 03:37 AM
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![]() Like i care. ♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 780 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 124,706 |
No not at all. if you wait till you find the right guy i'm sure he's happy because your a virgin instead of someone who had sex already to 'have sex'
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Mar 14 2007, 05:21 AM
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![]() rissa. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 621 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 436,690 |
Of course not!
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Mar 14 2007, 10:14 PM
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![]() Saap!? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 568 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 5,151 |
It ultimately depnds on your morals. For me, I'm waiting until marriage. But I know girls at my high school, who didn't. There is no "wrong" or "right" answer because it doesn't apply to everyone.
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Mar 15 2007, 12:49 AM
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I think its totally okay. I am actually applaud it. I wish I would have waited.
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Mar 15 2007, 04:48 AM
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Mar 15 2007, 05:44 PM
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long time no CB. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 3,889 Joined: Jan 2007 Member No: 493,502 |
it's NOT a bad thing!
even though you might regret not having sex when your in HS, you'll be thankful that you didn't get AIDS |
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Mar 16 2007, 05:15 PM
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uh, no. actually, saving yourself for marriage is much more popular with the ladies (i think). and you wont feel guilty when your are married and doing it to some one you truely love uh thats a dumb question... of course its not................. this girl has already had sex dont listen to her shes a fag |
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Mar 16 2007, 09:40 PM
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c[: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,302 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 2,876 |
lol no i didn't think it was. :/
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Mar 17 2007, 01:15 AM
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I love the way you think lmao Thanks dianna... I swear, sometimes I think you're the only one who was smart enough to actually understand that... xP Accidental double post, edited it for ya This post has been edited by Rachel is love: Mar 17 2007, 02:27 AM |
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Mar 18 2007, 06:42 PM
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Mar 24 2007, 01:14 AM
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Why in the World would being a virgin be wrong?
I mean....I understand why you could think this though. You see Sex everywhere! People are always talking about it, its always on t.v., etc. What people dont realize nowadays is that virginity is the only thing you cant take back. & When you give it to someone, make sure it is someone special. |
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Mar 24 2007, 06:27 AM
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Nope.
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Apr 4 2007, 07:48 AM
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i think you should just wait untill your ready
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Nov 1 2007, 12:01 PM
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it's not wrong but hella rare
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Nov 1 2007, 12:12 PM
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There is nothing wrong with being a virgin share yourself with someone you love not an highschool fling.
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Nov 1 2007, 09:43 PM
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![]() na-nancy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 212 Joined: Jun 2007 Member No: 538,179 |
NO!!
aint nothing wrong with that!!! whtf are you talking about?!?!?!?! DONT GIVE INTO PEER PRESSURE.....> < |
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Nov 1 2007, 10:14 PM
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![]() i'll fvck you til you luv me fagget ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 2,152 Joined: Jun 2006 Member No: 428,884 |
What in the world can be wrong with that?
If everybody was doing bukkake by college, is it wrong if you chose not to? |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:13 PM
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Nov 3 2007, 12:33 AM
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![]() i'll fvck you til you luv me fagget ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 2,152 Joined: Jun 2006 Member No: 428,884 |
Touche.
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Nov 3 2007, 06:50 AM
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![]() damn, right! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 368 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 174,547 |
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a virgin. Why would there be?
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Nov 4 2007, 02:19 AM
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i'm waiting for the right girl, hopefully the girl i end up losing mines to did the same =]
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Nov 4 2007, 12:30 PM
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i think that age shouldn't have anything to do with virginity.
everyone's different, and i think everyone should lose their virginity when THEY are ready, not by a certain age. because it's not about the sex, it's about the love between the two people. (: , at least that's what i think. so it's definitly NOT wrong to be a virgin in high school, though most people i know, try not to be. which is stupid. |
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Nov 4 2007, 01:10 PM
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![]() Like i care. ♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 780 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 124,706 |
Definately not wrong.
Actually, it's a plus for me =) |
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Nov 4 2007, 03:05 PM
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Aw. You're quite the impressionable one aren't you?
It depends on what you think ulitmately. |
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Nov 4 2007, 03:15 PM
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![]() Onyi eff. babii ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 529 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 204,660 |
i dont think its wrong if u wanna save it for marriage. and i hate it when ppl say omg! ur a virgin??!! when ur like 20 something...some ppl actually wanna wait
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Nov 4 2007, 03:31 PM
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No not at all. I'm a freshman and I find it completely dumb that half of the freshmen aren't virgins. I'm waiting for marriage. (:
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Nov 5 2007, 12:05 AM
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no, you should never be pressured into "doing it"
your time will come, and you will know when you are ready. and most people i know are virgins |
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Nov 8 2007, 01:56 PM
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![]() shboom =] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 160 Joined: Feb 2007 Member No: 505,693 |
no its not.
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Nov 10 2007, 06:50 PM
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![]() Hi, Im Brook. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,774 Joined: Mar 2007 Member No: 508,383 |
No, its not a bad thing but its also not very common for a guy to be a virgin in high school. I dont think anythings wrong with it but.. its just.. different..
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Nov 11 2007, 01:45 AM
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![]() Cornflakes :D ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,541 Joined: Dec 2005 Member No: 322,923 |
I don't think theres is anything wrong in being a virgin and in high school. Although I remember being a virgin and getting picked on a lot about it and it was really stupid to deal with after a while but you just get use to it and figure pretty much their just jealous because I still have my virginity and their stuck remembering the ugly person they lost it too.
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Nov 11 2007, 09:51 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 1,574 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 555,438 |
I was a virgin in high school. I had plenty of chances to get sexed up, but I just never took them. Here's what I think. I just didn't like any of those girls enough.
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Nov 11 2007, 12:21 PM
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![]() What2Say? ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 23 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 555,338 |
Nothing's wrong with that. In my school lots of kids feel pressured to open their presents too early.
They are trying to impress people they don't like. How foolish! I'm the old-fashioned type of girl, I won't lose my virginity until marriage. I feel that it's worth the wait. |
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Nov 11 2007, 01:24 PM
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![]() RyanIsCoolerThanYou<3 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 514 Joined: May 2007 Member No: 525,502 |
It can go one of two ways, if you lose your virginity early on, you either become extremely jaded and think sex is nothing and is as easy and non-emotional as pouring a glass of water, or your going to have sex with someone you "think" you love, and when they dump you and start having sex with someone else you think it's the end of the world. As weird as it may sound, scenario number two is the better, you'll grow tremendously from it. I thought I was in love and when we decided to take a break and we saw other people, I thought it was just a break, so no I wasn't having sex with this new girl, but then I find out she's having sex with this new guy, it crushed me...but I realized something, it only made me emotionally strong, and looking back on it I realized she was just a f**king slut all along.
Sure not losing your virginity in high school will lead to the occasional "weird sex talk", where every guy boasts about how many girls they've had sex with, and your the odd virgin out, but think about it, just because your a virgin, it doesn't make you any less of a man or a woman, I've slept with many girls while going through my "player" phase, I regret every single one it doesn't feel good to be with someone just to "get it over with", and not be a virgin anymore, so wait, find someone you love, or think you might love, share that with them, and grow from it & this isn't coming from some parent or someone with some vast knowledge of the universe, I'm only 16..well almost 17, & I'm on the same field as you, I just happen to be on the other side, and looking back, I wish I was still over there with you. In the end, it's all up to you, but one way or another it will happen and if things don't happen perfectly, don't beat yourself up over it, it happens to us all...it's part of growing up, and growing up emotionally. ** And I know this is my first post in literally months, and yes, I'm back |
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Nov 11 2007, 04:01 PM
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Nov 11 2007, 04:42 PM
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No. There is no right and wrong. Don't feel pressured to have sex because everyone else is. It's your virtue, therefore your decision.
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Nov 11 2007, 05:37 PM
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I remember krnprydeee..
*laughs* good timees. and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a virgin in highschool. |
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Nov 11 2007, 05:40 PM
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![]() skaters gonna skate. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 6,861 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 6,336 |
It's not wrong at all..
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Nov 11 2007, 05:41 PM
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![]() isketchaholic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 2,977 Joined: Apr 2007 Member No: 516,154 |
only for you it is. YOU FAIL
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Nov 11 2007, 06:01 PM
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I'm a virgin in college. Whatever. I'm not waiting until marriage or anything, but I see no reason to go out and f**k a random guy just to get it over with, either.
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Nov 11 2007, 06:05 PM
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Advice to virgins out here:
GET EDUCATED ABOUT SEX (not how you do it dummy, but how you do it right and healthy <3) INSTEAD OF WANDERING AROUND WHETHER ITS WRONG OR RIGHT TO BE A VIRGIN. ^^^^And because of that, ever wonder why people tell you, you need to get laid? |
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Nov 15 2007, 04:13 PM
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youll have more kids in you wait until marriage...so if you dont want a lot of kids say screw aroudn in high school
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i had sex once in high school and man did it feel good not having to worry about STD's or whether or not i was pregnant. believe me you dont wannna go thorugh that, so if yo think you wont be able to deal with it...dont. although you are missing out on some AMAZING SEX!! :-D |
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Nov 15 2007, 05:57 PM
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Not wrong but may be shunned upon by some people.
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