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post Mar 1 2007, 06:33 AM
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Let's have our own graphic designer venting topic LOL. Jocker? vent it all out.


My case isnt jocker. stupid effin moffer effer peoples need to stop distributing my layouts out without my permission and when i notice them they never take it off even when i emailed them 3 times! #$@%@#$%@# Seriously, who the EFF input their layouts in the database and DONT know whom layouts it is. This is his reply
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I am don't know who authors of layouts.

#$%@#%#@$ WTF?!?!?

http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-lay...emotions/74990/
http://coolspacetricks.com/myspace-layouts/tv-movies/75090/
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-lay...llaneous/75256/

You are welcome to spam that bastard's mail box and tell him to take off, i dont care how long it will take, all my layouts OFF his page. -_________- i believed i emailed him more than 3 times

Matter of fact i think this guy took ALL the layouts in CB and input it in his own page >_>


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post Mar 1 2007, 06:51 AM
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^ I don't make layouts so I don't have this problem but I share your frustration out of the sheer audacity of anyone to distribute layouts without credit or permission. Unfortunately, there is no way of enforcing copyright infringement. cB needs to take this up though - like you said, a LOT of the layouts are from here, and some still bear the cB hosting images.

EDIT: On their Myspace layouts homepage, they say their layouts are 'provided by createblog'. Is this true?
 
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EDIT: On their Myspace layouts homepage, they say their layouts are 'provided by createblog'. Is this true?
If you meant having the owner's permission, then, that would be false. SO very false. I came across another layout site, MySpaceTweaks.info, that provided Xanga and MySpace and many are from createBlog. This is probably the first time anyone of them has actually responded to me about removing the layouts. Though, it's very very very annoying that the images are all still hosted on cB's servers. I mean, disrespectful much? I appreciate that they responded but wow, there are more layout sites than we can imagine.
 
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post Mar 1 2007, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(mona lisa @ Mar 1 2007, 11:42 AM) *
If you meant having the owner's permission, then, that would be false. SO very false. I came across another layout site, MySpaceTweaks.info, that provided Xanga and MySpace and many are from createBlog. This is probably the first time anyone of them has actually responded to me about removing the layouts. Though, it's very very very annoying that the images are all still hosted on cB's servers. I mean, disrespectful much? I appreciate that they responded but wow, there are more layout sites than we can imagine.


Have you been to Ultimatemyspace.com? There are like SO many layouts that was taken from CB and their email adress to contact them are false. I mean it was really annoying >_>
 
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post Mar 1 2007, 10:30 PM
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i not only get jockers... but i get that problem as well... most sites link off CB.....
very annoying...
but i REALLY hate JOCKERS... omg they piss me off to no end... mad.gif
and to top that off they steal your codes... make their layout and are all like 100% of this layout is all mines... don't jock or steal

anyway back to the linking of layouts on sites outside of CB
...seems the site u linked has all sorts of CB layouts including mines
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-lay...llaneous/75232/
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-layouts/music/75313/
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-layouts/music/75277/
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-lay...v-movies/75053/
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-lay...v-movies/75091/
http://www.coolspacetricks.com/myspace-lay...v-movies/75073/
and so on... theres WAAAAy more...

heres another site with my layouts and other CB layouts as well...
ultimatemyspace.com stole my Cursed layout... pretty sure they got way more of mines... and other CB layouts
blogloser.com stole my through the years layouts... and i saw other CB layouts here as well
myspaceloser.com they have CB layouts... but was smart enough to put the person who made it...
myspacemaster.net another site...

Trancie sooo GLAD u brought this up
sooo needed biggrin.gif
 
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post Mar 1 2007, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(x.d.o.0.f.u.s @ Mar 1 2007, 11:55 AM) *
Have you been to Ultimatemyspace.com? There are like SO many layouts that was taken from CB and their email adress to contact them are false. I mean it was really annoying >_>

We've seen a lot of them, people constantly post or pm them to most of the mods, but there is nothing we can do. Most of them don't even have contact information.

We've seen so many sites it sucks that we can barely remove the layout. There are topics in feedback or somewhere with links to a bunch. Jockers suck. End of story. The sad part is there is nothing we can really do to stop them. Yea, i've been in the situation before and it sucked, but pretty much I barely even care anymore. (Esepcially since I don't really make layouts anymore, except for my personal website). Theres always the chance of us spamming their email. That will remove yours maybe , but what about everyone else? Trust me, I wish they would stop stealing all the layouts off of here as well. Even if we got them to remove them, I have a feeling they will do it again anyway. The internet isn't regulated. When you post something you are letting it be viewed by millions/billions of people. Same goes for layouts and your are allowing all these people to take them.

Sometimes, I wish cb layouts weren't so out there. Like you would have to have a grip load of posts to access them, but sadly that wouldn't even work out so well.
 
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post Mar 1 2007, 10:50 PM
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Yes, I've seen a lot of the cb ones in other places.
It's great for cB to provide layouts for people, but then there's this jocking problem. Everything has its consequence.

I've made some layouts for xanga/myspace that I used on my own page and found out some people jocked those.
 
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JOCKERS CAN SUCK A$$ FOR ALL I CARE.
I ultimately hate ultimatemyspace.com because they're ultimate jockers and ultimate mother-suckers. mad.gif
 
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post Mar 3 2007, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(The Markster @ Mar 3 2007, 3:03 PM) *
JOCKERS CAN SUCK A$$ FOR ALL I CARE.
I ultimately hate ultimatemyspace.com because they're ultimate jockers and ultimate mother-suckers. mad.gif


http://www.mygen.co.uk/index.php?page=layo...;sortby=overlay
markster take a look at this mad.gif
 
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post Mar 3 2007, 08:26 PM
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You're making yourselves look like idiots and Createblog famous.



Friendster Forum Sucks D***!

 
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post Mar 3 2007, 08:53 PM
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gonna spam the hell out of friendster
damn chick stole mad layouts
tired of jockers
and that chick is having the only time saying that all the layouts taken from CB are hers
 
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post Mar 3 2007, 09:58 PM
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i swear ricky is soo good at stalkin on jockers x]
 
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post Mar 3 2007, 10:28 PM
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well ur welcome to check "their" premade layouts section now
made a point that ALL the layouts were stolen...
what pissed me off was that their forum doesn't read link codes, img codes, or urls like a normal forum...
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema..._layouts-b82.0/
which is why u noticed i didn't link to the layouts
when i link to it
it replaced createblog.com to friendsterforum.com
mad.gif
 
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Haha, this is funny... I would be furious... I feel for you guys.. .xD
 
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post Mar 3 2007, 11:40 PM
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oh htrancie spaming friendster time muwahh

OH MOTHER EFFER! this friendster site is SOO goin to get biitch at by trancie
 
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post Mar 3 2007, 11:54 PM
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Wow. Thanks a LOT Ricky. Now I'm gonna go spam your list of sites. _smile.gif
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 12:21 AM
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Okay guys.

Someone has contacted me about this topic.

Please just hear me out, createblog isn't here for you to vent out about how mad you are about someone taking you stuff, or someone using it with out credit, altering it or what not. Telling people to go spam people to make them feel bad isn't ever going to work, thats the wrong thing to ever do. Just contact the person and tell them the truth about it and not retaliate. Even if you have contacted the person about them taking your layouts, tough. I'm sorry to slap the truth here but its the internet. Places like createblog that have their layouts open to the public have always had a problem with the layouts being taken by other sites. No matter what you do its not going to change them from having the layouts up. they don't care.

With this said, all this is leading to is spam through out the topic and people saying their going to spam others or flam them or whatever. Please don't encourage others to do this.

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Trancie, your a great person. And I know you have ever right to be mad about this whole thing. But I'm sorry Deary there is nothing you can do about it. No matter how many times you contact the owner, he doesn't care. He didn't make the website to care what others think about the layouts or did he make any of those layouts. Hes only in it to make money off the site, which means if he has good layouts then he gets more money. Thats how it works.


Oh yea, keep in mind the designers cafe is like a lounge but to keep spam out of the process. The community guidelines and forum rules do apply. If spam is continued throughout the topic then this topic may get closed.
 
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QUOTE(Intercourse. @ Mar 4 2007, 12:21 AM) *
Okay guys.

Someone has contacted me about this topic.

Please just hear me out, createblog isn't here for you to vent out about how mad you are about someone taking you stuff, or someone using it with out credit, altering it or what not. Telling people to go spam people to make them feel bad isn't ever going to work, thats the wrong thing to ever do. Just contact the person and tell them the truth about it and not retaliate. Even if you have contacted the person about them taking your layouts, tough. I'm sorry to slap the truth here but its the internet. Places like createblog that have their layouts open to the public have always had a problem with the layouts being taken by other sites. No matter what you do its not going to change them from having the layouts up. they don't care.

With this said, all this is leading to is spam through out the topic and people saying their going to spam others or flam them or whatever. Please don't encourage others to do this.

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Trancie, your a great person. And I know you have ever right to be mad about this whole thing. But I'm sorry Deary there is nothing you can do about it. No matter how many times you contact the owner, he doesn't care. He didn't make the website to care what others think about the layouts or did he make any of those layouts. Hes only in it to make money off the site, which means if he has good layouts then he gets more money. Thats how it works.


I disagree, createblog is here for people to bitch about every and any little thing that they possibly can... this is the designers cafe' so... bitch all you want.. as long as it has to do with the resource center. xD

Well, you shouldn't be upset. I'm here to set you free. If you don't like seeing people steal "your" layouts then don't post your layout on createblog.com... simple as that... once you submit a layout it's not your's anymore. It's createblog's, and Ju-sun doesn't give a shit... :D
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 12:36 AM
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LMAOOO

"hey i have not warned you ok.... twas pogi who warned you...i might be the moderator
on that board but i will not warn a person if it's not valid....ur claiming ur layout...ive just log in..
am still trying to figure out what to do..and am still trying to contact the person who posted that....
and trying to make discussion about it on our private board....but i did not try to warn u...please calm down...don't worry if it's pacified...we'll remove ur layout on that board...at least try to get the attention also of the one who posted it...i haven't reviewed those layout yet...since the one who posted it is the admin himself...am so sorry for the trouble...but at least try to calm down...and dont post with foul and cursed words....since most of our members here are underage..."

"ok...i symphatize on u...am not the one who will decide on this matter...and trust me...i was not the one who muted u....all moderators can mute anyone here...except to ban...cuz the admin is the only one who can ban a member....with regards to ur layout...ill suggest to the one who posted it...which is the admin himself to take it off...but again the final decision is not mine.....and i don't have the power to decide what to do since am just a member..then eventually became one of the moderator....again...am so sorry...."

THE EFF?~?

QUOTE(Intercourse. @ Mar 4 2007, 12:21 AM) *
Okay guys.

Someone has contacted me about this topic.

Please just hear me out, createblog isn't here for you to vent out about how mad you are about someone taking you stuff, or someone using it with out credit, altering it or what not. Telling people to go spam people to make them feel bad isn't ever going to work, thats the wrong thing to ever do. Just contact the person and tell them the truth about it and not retaliate. Even if you have contacted the person about them taking your layouts, tough. I'm sorry to slap the truth here but its the internet. Places like createblog that have their layouts open to the public have always had a problem with the layouts being taken by other sites. No matter what you do its not going to change them from having the layouts up. they don't care.

With this said, all this is leading to is spam through out the topic and people saying their going to spam others or flam them or whatever. Please don't encourage others to do this.

[editted]
Trancie, your a great person. And I know you have ever right to be mad about this whole thing. But I'm sorry Deary there is nothing you can do about it. No matter how many times you contact the owner, he doesn't care. He didn't make the website to care what others think about the layouts or did he make any of those layouts. Hes only in it to make money off the site, which means if he has good layouts then he gets more money. Thats how it works.
Oh yea, keep in mind the designers cafe is like a lounge but to keep spam out of the process. The community guidelines and forum rules do apply.


Oh dear, Trancie can, x] the last thing a site want is bad reputation, the power i have is my layouts run fast. Lol i am not mean, but when ppls like those ppls come to my attention, their name will be BAD MOUTH on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY LAYOUTS. and believe me, if i can get 700 fans to myspace in 5 days, i can get 700 of them spam that freakin site. =)
 
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^Eh, he needs to learn how to not use so many periods between words. -___- and probably learn how to spell and look more professional through his replies to people contacting the website itself, because it doesn't exactly make the website look that great.


Also, if you want to get people to spam the site. Don't do it here, go do it on myspace or whatever other forum you can find. PM people secretly for all I care.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 12:44 AM
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no one said to spam the site
I said i was
if people want to follow that example then its on them

if anything i clearly stated that the chick
The Baddest Chic who was claiming that the layouts she posted were hers
ARE NOT HERS

i wrote that it was a STOLEN LAYOUT

none of the mods told anyone to spam
as Uronacid said its a place to vent

we as designers who take the time to create layouts have a right to defend our work...

if u don't care that people steal then why should u care if we defend our layouts?

i see it as you not caring because u jock as well... u don't understand what it is to make a layout, and code it ur self

and to have it stolen by some ass who wants to make a name out of him/her self

you as in NOT Intercourse but the person who wrote that email
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 12:46 AM
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im not tellin the ppls to spam it here daer, this is a designer cafe, i think every designer should get their anger somewhere after all it is a designer CAFE anything designing related =) this is related to that.
 
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QUOTE(x.d.o.0.f.u.s @ Mar 4 2007, 12:36 AM) *
LMAOOO

"hey i have not warned you ok.... twas pogi who warned you...i might be the moderator
on that board but i will not warn a person if it's not valid....ur claiming ur layout...ive just log in..
am still trying to figure out what to do..and am still trying to contact the person who posted that....
and trying to make discussion about it on our private board....but i did not try to warn u...please calm down...don't worry if it's pacified...we'll remove ur layout on that board...at least try to get the attention also of the one who posted it...i haven't reviewed those layout yet...since the one who posted it is the admin himself...am so sorry for the trouble...but at least try to calm down...and dont post with foul and cursed words....since most of our members here are underage..."

"ok...i symphatize on u...am not the one who will decide on this matter...and trust me...i was not the one who muted u....all moderators can mute anyone here...except to ban...cuz the admin is the only one who can ban a member....with regards to ur layout...ill suggest to the one who posted it...which is the admin himself to take it off...but again the final decision is not mine.....and i don't have the power to decide what to do since am just a member..then eventually became one of the moderator....again...am so sorry...."

THE EFF?~?
Oh dear, Trancie can, x] the last thing a site want is bad reputation, the power i have is my layouts run fast. Lol i am not mean, but when ppls like those ppls come to my attention, their name will be BAD MOUTH on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY LAYOUTS. and believe me, if i can get 700 fans to myspace in 5 days, i can get 700 of them spam that freakin site. =)


Alright, I'll stop using so many periods between words. I guess I just think a lot when writing these posts, and whenever I think I put "..." between sentences. Alright, bottom line is:

These people make money off having these layouts on their site (MORE LAYOUTS = MORE MONIES). When you submit layouts to CB they aren't yours anymore; they're CBs. CB's owner (Ju-sun) doesn't care about these "stolen" layouts, and CB's staff can't take legal action against these "thieves". CB will also allow these "thieves" to use it's bandwidth. CB is super nice, and super super free. (CREATEBLOG.COM = FREE LAYOUTS = FREE MONEY!!)

If you feel bad about it... suck it up. You're wasting your time. :D Don't bother contacting them (they don't care). Don't contact Staff (You're bothering them with things they can do thing about). Contact Ju-sun... if you can. HAHHAHAHHAHAhhAhhahaa
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 4 2007, 12:50 AM) *
Alright, I'll stop using so many periods between words. I guess I just think a lot when writing these posts, and whenever I think I put "..." between sentences. Alright, bottom line is:

These people make money off having these layouts on their site (MORE LAYOUTS = MORE MONIES). When you submit layouts to CB they aren't yours anymore; they're CBs. CB's owner (Ju-sun) doesn't care about these "stolen" layouts, and CB's staff can't take legal action against these "thieves". CB will also allow these "thieves" to use it's bandwidth. CB is super nice, and super super free. (CREATEBLOG.COM = FREE LAYOUTS = FREE MONEY!!)

If you feel bad about it... suck it up. You're wasting your time. :D

so im guessin you dont mind if i claim that all the graphics you've made is mine right?
 
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so im guessin you dont mind if i claim that all the graphics you've made is mine right?


I would have a problem with that? yes... but you don't understand, I don't submit my graphics to this site for that very reason. If I submit my graphics to this site, it's as if I never created them. Anyone can have their way with them.
 
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^ So true. As designers we know you guys are mad, but when you submit your stuff you set yourself up for this stuff. Personally I think that you guys should go on being pissed, because heck I would be too. But spamming their forums is immature....

blaqheartedstar - Your post was not one we, well atleast I am worried about. you simply said stolen layout. There is nothing wrong with that. Which is actually a rather mature way of handling it.

In Holly's post, we (yes Holly and I) are basically referring to this... If you want to spam there sites talk about it somewhere else. Obviously you guys are friends so you can do it through AIM/PM or whatever you choose. Just lets keep this thread on the topic jocked layouts without the whole subject of flaming other forums.

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im not tellin the ppls to spam it here daer, this is a designer cafe, i think every designer should get their anger somewhere after all it is a designer CAFE anything designing related =) this is related to that.

Yes but Designer cafe is treated like the lounge. Continuing to run this thread like this will get it closed. So you can choose how this turns out.

If you want to list the sites... Go ahead. If you go on posting " Stolen" there is nothing wrong with that. But posting stuff like this (here):
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Wow. Thanks a LOT Ricky. Now I'm gonna go spam your list of sites.

Is not need or called for. Basically its a cooperative effort between you guys. We want to keep this to the point, not to what you guys want to do to other forums.
 
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 4 2007, 1:09 AM) *
I would have a problem with that? yes... but you don't understand, I don't submit my graphics to this site for that very reason. If I submit my graphics to this site, it's as if I never created them. Anyone can have their way with them.


seeing as you will have a problem if people claimed ur work as theirs
then why are we to sit and let people steal our layouts and graphics?

QUOTE(toyo loco @ Mar 4 2007, 1:18 AM) *
Your post was not one we, well atleast I am worried about. you simply said stolen layout. There is nothing wrong with that. Which is actually a rather mature way of handling it.


yeah although i said spam i didn't want to get banned without proving a point
this turned into something i wasn't expecting...
 
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^Then don't submit your stuff to this site, he said that he didn't have to deal with this problem because he doesn't submit his stuff here. So if you don't submit your stuff here, viola! you don't have the problem either.


Also your not going to get banned blink.gif The topic would just simply be closed.
 
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seeing as you will have a problem if people claimed ur work as theirs
then why are we to sit and let people steal our layouts and graphics?
yeah although i said spam i didn't want to get banned without proving a point
this turned into something i wasn't expecting...


You aren't getting it... I understand you are upset, but by submitting your work to the database it's "up for grabs". I would have a problem with people taking my stuff, and that's exactly why I don't submit it to the website.

This is essentially what I'm trying to tell you guys is: YOU ARE CREATING YOUR OWN PROBLEMS, and YOU ARE LETTING PEOPLE STEAL YOUR WORK...
 
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 4 2007, 1:30 AM) *
You aren't getting it... I understand you are upset, but by submitting your work to the database it's "up for grabs". I would have a problem with people taking my stuff, and that's exactly why I don't submit it to the website.

This is essentially what I'm trying to tell you guys is: YOU ARE CREATING YOUR OWN PROBLEMS, and YOU ARE LETTING PEOPLE STEAL YOUR WORK...


Letting?, unless it is said specifically IN the layout that "YOU CAN YEA STEAL THIS LAYOUT I DONT CARE" then yea that's "letting" people steal our work. i already told you
NO MATTER WHERE YOU SUBMIT THE LAYOUT, THE LAYOUT IS STILL YOURS, YOUR WORK, YOUR EFFORT, YOUR TIME, YOUR LAYOUT.
 
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banned from friendster
i would cry if i get banned from here... cry.gif i really enjoy CB

ok enough of this i don't want the topic to close
 
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we start from me complaining how ppls contribute my layouts without my permission to jockers. xD interesting x]
 
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By posting or submitting content to CreateBlog, you grant CreateBlog the right to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, distribute, have distributed, and promote the content in any form, anywhere and for any purpose; and warrant and represent that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content and that public posting and use of your content by CreateBlog will not infringe or violate the rights of any third party.

If you contribute layouts, scripts, graphics, tutorials, creative suggestions, ideas, notes, drawings, or other information (collectively, the "Submissions"), the Submissions shall be deemed, and shall remain, the property of CreateBlog. None of the Submissions shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of CreateBlog, and CreateBlog shall not be liable for any use or disclosure of any Submissions. Without limitation of the foregoing, CreateBlog shall exclusively own all now known or hereafter existing rights to the Submissions of every kind and nature throughout the universe and shall be entitled to unrestricted use of the Submissions for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the provider of the Submissions.


Sorry guys... but when you click that "submit" button. This is what you're agreeing to. Let's hope staff is merciful enough to take them off the site when you get your own host.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:40 AM
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(I don't think this should be closed since something productive is actually coming out of it. :P)

When you put your layouts (or anything else) up, you can't assume that people won't steal it. Unless you want to waste all that much time and energy, it won't be good to try to hunt down every jocker. What you can do though is make others aware that the layout is stolen, nothing more, nothing less. I noticed blaqheartedstar simply stated that the layout was stolen at Friendster forums and that was it. Spamming/flaming/trolling the site(s) is not the best approach but I obviously can't stop you.

Edit: But Holly, createblog's owner isn't distributing to other layout sites, just individuals who want to use them. Hmm, I see the problem.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(mona lisa @ Mar 4 2007, 1:40 AM) *
(I don't think this should be closed since something productive is actually coming out of it. :P)

When you put your layouts (or anything else) up, you can't assume that people won't steal it. Unless you want to waste all that much time and energy, it won't be good to try to hunt down every jocker. What you can do though is make others aware that the layout is stolen, nothing more, nothing less. I noticed blaqheartedstar simply stated that the layout was stolen at Friendster forums and that was it. Spamming/flaming/trolling the site(s) is not the best approach but I obviously can't stop you.

Edit: But Holly, createblog's owner isn't distributing to other layout sites, just individuals who want to use them. Hmm, I see the problem.


For all you know, Ju-sun could be selling them....
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:47 AM
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i know that CB owns the layouts and that i have no problem with, its like Deviantart and sheezyart, they have a right to your your work... its no soo much CB owning our layouts... i don't mind
and i know we can't hunt down EVERY jocker... but the ones i do bump across i let them know that the layout they are using is mines

with friendster i wanted to make a point and let the people who use the layouts know what the person who posted them mainly The Baddest Chic
that the layouts they were posting isn't theirs even if they lie and say it is

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For all you know, Ju-sun could be selling them....

wouldn't that go againist the pics and resources that have copyrights?

edited: my there, their, they're all all messed up..
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 4 2007, 1:43 AM) *
For all you know, Ju-sun could be selling them....
I doubt that. :P And even though I don't know him all that well, I've still communicated with him more often than you have to say that he is against charging a fee for layouts and other submissions. He's wanted to keep things free and for everyone, not exclusive groups, i.e., Official Members/Designers, and I don't see why that would change. :P

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with friendster i wanted to make a point and let the people who use the layouts know what the person who posted them mainly The Baddest Chic
that the layouts they were posting isn't there even if they lie and say it is
Yes, I know. I meant it's a good thing you just left it at saying the layout was stolen. :) I usually just provide a link to the layout and leave it at that.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(blaqheartedstar @ Mar 4 2007, 1:47 AM) *
wouldn't that go againist the pics and resources that have copyrights?


No, not at all.... after all He owns them... ;]
(CB = Ju-sun)
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE(mona lisa @ Mar 4 2007, 1:50 AM) *
Yes, I know. I meant it's a good thing you just left it at saying the layout was stolen. :) I usually just provide a link to the layout and leave it at that.


i did that and the fourms on friendster has to be the gayest fourm i have ever used (no offense to homosexual people mellow.gif )
it turned the createblog links into http://www.FriendsterForum.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092
when the original link was
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092

http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9311.0.html
take a look
 
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Josh, Ju-Sun is NOT going to start selling layouts, all right? laugh.gif

QUOTE(blaqheartedstar @ Mar 4 2007, 1:58 AM) *
i did that and the fourms on friendster has to be the gayest fourm i have ever used (no offense to homosexual people mellow.gif )
it turned the createblog links into http://www.FriendsterForum.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092
when the original link was
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092

http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9311.0.html
take a look
I'm asked to log in for the first link. Anway, I hope the word createblog isn't censored because that's silly.

What if you removed http://?
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 02:08 AM
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QUOTE(mona lisa @ Mar 4 2007, 2:05 AM) *
Josh, Ju-Sun is NOT going to start selling layouts, all right? laugh.gif

I'm asked to log in for the first link. Anway, I hope the word createblog isn't censored because that's silly.

What if you removed http://?



first link is what they turned the original CB into
heres a screen shot-- well that went out the window lmfao they banned me XD.gif



they didn't tell me anything if anything the warning i got was a rased warning... and a reduced warning right after

ur banned for violating the agreement
and this... bias bastards
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You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material.

why isn't the asses posting the layouts not banned?

i understand why i was banned...
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Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 11:56 AM
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Most likely because they like her on the forum or they don't believe you guys. But anyways I would say instead of posting try contacting the admin of the forum.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 01:51 PM
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the admin "has hidden their email and you can not email them."
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 02:11 PM
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Well according to his info he does have an msn account. I added it and I'll see if its possible if I can reach him. Along with attempting to reach the girl who is continuing to post your layouts. If I am able to contact any of them, I will let you know. Actually , I'll just try to contact any of the moderators I can. To see if its possible for them to delete the posts. (Deleting the user would be great too, but who knows).

I'm not positive but his email may be his msn email. (Which is what most people use). You can see it by viewing the profile.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 02:24 PM
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Without limitation of the foregoing, CreateBlog shall exclusively own all now known or hereafter existing rights to the Submissions of every kind and nature throughout the universe and shall be entitled to unrestricted use of the Submissions for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the provider of the Submissions.

Lol, I like that "universe" part. XD.gif

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i did that and the fourms on friendster has to be the gayest fourm i have ever used (no offense to homosexual people mellow.gif )
it turned the createblog links into http://www.FriendsterForum.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092
when the original link was
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092

http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9311.0.html
take a look

I know! I noticed that, and it pissed me off.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 04:11 PM
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I pmed a bunch of their moderators till I got reply. I finally did and they told me to link the layouts and provide proof. So I did , but only for the ones I could actually find. So if you guys could help me find the following , but it has to be a cb link. If its not it needs to be on your layout site or website.

http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ll-t6526.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ce-t6540.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t6551.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t6549.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ly-t8936.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...es-t6542.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...lt-t6533.0.html
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema..._2-t6547.0.html


If they are not on cb I wouldn't be surprised.

Here is the pm that I sent to the person, with a list of layouts. I would appreciate it, if one more of you guys double checks that I didn't miss any. Its not guaranteed they will remove the layouts , but I will try my best to get them too. Plus this pm took a long ass time.
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Ok . I am not the creator of the jocked layouts. But I can give you my forum information about them along with layout info there. The forum that the layouts are being jocked from is Createblog. (http://createblog.com To see the layouts you go to layouts)

My username there is Toyo Loco , and I am a design staff mod there. You can find me here:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showuser=11270

I am aware that these layouts are jocked, their may be more, but I can have the users check. Now if you look at the dates on the createblog links you will notice it was posted there before this forum. Also the images your members posted have our users names on them.
These two users have been doing all the submitting. If it was my forum I'd ban them , but its not so yea. :
-The Baddest Chic
- Friendster Forum

Natalie Portman :
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9001.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16450


Imagination:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t6529.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14927

Snoopy valentine layout:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ut-t9143.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16516


Alvin & the chipmunks:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9308.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16544


Dogs rule:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9311.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16092


Nothings perfect:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ly-t9313.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=16017

Ispace :
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9238.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16532

Girls only:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ly-t8896.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=15888


Don't let my love fade:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...de-t8836.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16406

Stab my back:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ck-t8898.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=15694


Keep holding on:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t8838.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=16138


Another side:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t8837.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16301


Am I in your dreams:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ms-t8773.0.html
Createblog Url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16193


Batman & Beyond:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ay-t8771.0.html
Createblog Url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16308


My chemical Romance:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t6535.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=14894

Of flowers and Trees:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ees-t8754.0.htm
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16377

Love:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ve-t8768.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16385

Bubble Gum baby:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ay-t8770.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16288

Gloomy div:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t9002.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16307

Lain:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ng-t8894.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161611

Puppy Love:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ve-t8772.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=164177

Lethal Beauty:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t8893.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=162319

OMFG Div:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t8938.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=151668

Random mess:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ss-t8935.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=15778

Rose by another name:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...me-t8933.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=16441

Justin Timberlake:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ke-t6562.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14624

Leaves of fate:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...te-t6530.0.html
Createblog Url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154946

White Skeleton:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...on-t6550.0.html
Createblog url:

Pussycat Dolls:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ls-t6559.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14627

Just listen:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...en-t6558.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14634

Greys Anatomy:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...my-t6553.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=153568

Step up:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...na-t6563.0.html
Createblog Url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14623

Danity Kane:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ne-t6561.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14625

Cassie:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ie-t6560.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14626

Mininmalist:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...st-t6557.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14654

Wake up:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...iv-t6555.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161952

Happy Halloween:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...en-t6536.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14882

I would give my all to you :
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ou-t6541.0.html
Createblog url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14849

For girls only:
http://www.friendsterforum.com/forum/prema...ly-t8936.0.html
Createblog Url: http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=15260

I would really appreciate it , if you guys removed these layouts. The creators do not want their layouts posted on your site because you didn't ask for permission the first time. There is a topic at createblog where you can view their anger ... if you wish too.

Thanks,
Toya ™

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Ill send this up my chain..
Thanks for the notice..
Ill keep you updated and posted..
Please do send this message to the admin himself too..

 
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post Mar 4 2007, 04:29 PM
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Wow. Thanks a lot, toyo loco. _smile.gif
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 05:12 PM
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for Naruto 2
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14762

Naruto
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14795

for mr sutherland
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14710

for White Skeleton
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14726

for pretty in pink
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14745

for girls only (blue layout)
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=15260
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 06:29 PM
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^ Thankyou.

I spoke to their Admin. He said he would remove the layouts. BUT understand that you guys can not go back and spam there. If you didn't notice they didn't care about your spam. It did not convince them to get rid of the layouts....

So I PMed the admin all the layouts I want gone. He said he would remove them. I'll make sure they do keep their word. If you see any I missed please pm me.

 
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post Mar 4 2007, 07:32 PM
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The one layout I've submitted to this place has a load of jockers.

Here's one I just found, who didn't even use it correctly.
http://www.xanga.com/blinkiecrazykid
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 07:50 PM
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Just for everyones information half of the layouts have been removed. I pmed the admin again asking for the rest to be removed.


In the future guys, don't spam their forums (this is out to those that did). Its not helping at all.
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 08:47 PM
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they removed a bulk of them... but some stayed

the black parade (can't link... i'm banned and need to use a proxy)
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14894

the Naruto 2 layout
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14762

Will You Be My Queen ? < markster's layout
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14810

Step Up // Ft. Channing & Jenna
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14623

The All American Rejects
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14622
 
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they removed a bulk of them... but some stayed

the black parade (can't link... i'm banned and need to use a proxy)
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14894

the Naruto 2 layout
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14762

Will You Be My Queen ? < markster's layout
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14810

Step Up // Ft. Channing & Jenna
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14623

The All American Rejects
CB link is http://www.createblog.com/layouts/download.php?id=14622

Nahh, I don't really care if that Queen layout stays. It SUCKED. XD.gif
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 08:53 PM
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I know that those stayed. I already pmed him asking for them to be removed as well. _smile.gif
 
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post Mar 4 2007, 08:56 PM
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when i was writing it yah posted... so when i clicked add reply ur post and ermfermoo's post came out first
hope the links helped out a bit
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 06:31 AM
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QUOTE(toyo loco @ Mar 4 2007, 6:29 PM) *
^ Thankyou.

I spoke to their Admin. He said he would remove the layouts. BUT understand that you guys can not go back and spam there. If you didn't notice they didn't care about your spam. It did not convince them to get rid of the layouts....

So I PMed the admin all the layouts I want gone. He said he would remove them. I'll make sure they do keep their word. If you see any I missed please pm me.



ya missed all trancie's

Silent Hill
You looked better on myspace
and there was something else i forgot, the banned me frmo this computer i'll check it on my laptop later on today.

QUOTE(The Markster @ Mar 4 2007, 8:50 PM) *
Nahh, I don't really care if that Queen layout stays. It SUCKED. XD.gif


LMAOO!! and many more x]
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 08:52 AM
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As I said earlier in the post I need someone to go back through once they delete all of them. In a previous post I pointed out the ones I needed a link for, I believe both of those were there. And I need a link to it on cB. If its on your website .. well I'll see what I can do.
 
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Okay. I've been trying (for about 2-3 days now) to ask MyGen (http://mygen.co.uk) to remove my layouts. And this time, I asked them in a kind and polite way, too. And what do I get? A moderator who keeps saying "f*cking" in his posts to me. So he deleted one of my threads about it and didn't even bother removing my two simple layouts, which I already linked him specifically to.

Would any of you mind trying this for me, por favor? pinch.gif
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 08:38 PM
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I am so glad I provided the Friendster Forum link. Whenever I had seen so many designs from designers (including myself) stolen, I knew I had to inform everyone.
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(The Markster @ Mar 5 2007, 4:16 PM) *
Okay. I've been trying (for about 2-3 days now) to ask MyGen (http://mygen.co.uk) to remove my layouts. And this time, I asked them in a kind and polite way, too. And what do I get? A moderator who keeps saying "f*cking" in his posts to me. So he deleted one of my threads about it and didn't even bother removing my two simple layouts, which I already linked him specifically to.

Would any of you mind trying this for me, por favor? pinch.gif

Well I guess I'll see what I can do. I posted in the thread you guys have there, we'll see what she says after that. If they refuse to remove it , then whoever the admin is will get a pm from me.

Regarding friendster I'm still waiting for the other half to be removed.

Edit.. I believe she/he deleted the layout. Doesn't hurt to double check though
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 10:42 PM
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Well I guess I'll see what I can do. I posted in the thread you guys have there, we'll see what she says after that. If they refuse to remove it , then whoever the admin is will get a pm from me.

Regarding friendster I'm still waiting for the other half to be removed.

Thanks a lot, toyo loco. I saw your post. _smile.gif
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 11:08 PM
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^ I can't find the layouts on mygen so if you see anymore of you guys's there can you post a link to the mygen one and under it post the createblog link. Either to the forum or to the layout in the layout database. Por favor :]
 
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laugh.gif hes going to have to remove about half their sites layouts from the looks of it.
 
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post Mar 5 2007, 11:43 PM
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^ I can't find the layouts on mygen so if you see anymore of you guys's there can you post a link to the mygen one and under it post the createblog link. Either to the forum or to the layout in the layout database. Por favor :]

Haha. You mean report it to them? MyGen doesn't give a damn about me. sad.gif
 
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Well then you can post them here (links on mygen + cb links here . Or just post the links on mygen and i'll find the layouts here) then I can post it in the post. I meant just post it inside the thread but its up to you if you want me to do it. I don't mind.
 
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You know. I actually couldn't find a lot of CB layouts on MyGen too .. except two of mine. -___- I'll try to keep looking. _smile.gif
 
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Thieves is more like it...

CB has the best designs around...Seriously. People here take their graphics.layouts.tuts so effin seriously, how could this place NOT be the classiest one around?? So of course everyone else is going to jock from them... I guess that's my view of the silver lining of this situation. As much as it hurts, smile a little on the inside that they think that you are GREAT.

In their eyes, who better to copy/steal from then #1!

As long as there are people on this earth working their asses off selflessly for other people's pleasure, there will be people pissing in their cornflakes.
 

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