Being black..., ...Is no excuse for failing. Options

[Kontroll]

Listen, I'm not racist. I'm just bringing up a topic that I know is on alot of people's minds.

Everynow and then I see these movies, or whatever...people saying that black people can't get anywhere in life because they are lazy, or because they are black they can't get anywhere in life.

I was sitting infront of Jeremy's house waiting for him to answer his friggin door. I was thinking about Albany(Where I live for the most part) and how it's just run down. Most of the people that live there are black.

I was thinking about how I see all this crap about how black people always say they might as well as just give up and deal with what they got. In movies, or even in real life. It pisses me off because the color of your skin does not affect your brain at all. It's an excuse and not a reason...

...if it was a reason then every black person would be in poverty. Is this not true? And you can't blame it on your environment because there have been many black people who have over come it. So, why do some black people just give up and don't try to succeed?

I know not only black people do it, but I'm just bringing this one up first. I'll talk about white people some other time just to be fair.

Input please. If this is in the wrong forum, just move it. Thank you.

[multifaceted]

Stereotypes and racism.

Black people are no different from asians, whites, hispanics, whatever. Each race and background can acheive whatever dream they wish to have if they work on it.

Looks don't matter. Like the saying, "It doesn't matter 30 years from now, what clothes you wore, what car you drove, what people you've dated. What matters is what you learned and how you used it. "

People concoct these kinds of weird ideas that black people are poor because of Africa and the amount of poverty there. Yes, black people there are in poverty but that does not go for all black people.

To your question on why some black people just give up on success is because some of them actually believe the stereotypes being place on them, causing them to think, "Since everyone says that, even if I do try to succeed, I'm not going to make it anyway so why bother the trouble. "

I'm not black but people really need to stop sterotyping everyone.

[*Uronacid*]

*sigh*

I don't know... I live in Schenectady area... it's the same old shit.. a whole neighbor hood full of homeless mixed minorities and white trash. It's not just back people.... it's white trash too. I do see what your talking about.

They recently had a documentary on Showtime about what a poor man would do with 100,000 dollars. They gave this random poor guy $100,000.00 cash. He cried and cried because he was so happy, but in the end he spent all of the money and ended up poor again. He was in the same position that he had started in.

This really showed me that some people just suck at managing their money. It's not anyones fault but their own. If I had 100,000.00 I would invest half of it, and become rich over the course of 20 years through the compound interest. This guy wasted all of his money.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversal_of_Fortune_(2005_film)

The documentary begins with the introduction of Ted Rodrigue, a homeless man living under a bridge in California. He begins by describing an average day of "survival" for him, which consists of collecting cans and bottles for recycling in order to eat and buy cigarettes and beer for the day. He informs the audience that an average day brings in about $25, while a good day might see as much as $35. Ted reflects on the better days of his life, when his mother (a former alcoholic) and sisters accepted him. He is shown placing a collect call to his mother, ultimately having the charges denied by his mother. Ted blames his homelessness and lack of family support on their prejudice against him for being homeless and an undesirable childhood. Ted describes his mother as a "bar whore" who often brought strange men home from the bar on the weekends and that at the age of 12, he was given his first beer by his mother at one of her many social gatherings.

His ability to "do as he pleases" by not having to answer to any authority figures, keeps him on the streets. Ted informs the filmmakers that he takes a lot of pride in his bike and is shown washing it at a car wash, although it has been over three months since he had a "real" shower. Through his recycling, Ted has befriended an 18-year-old Latino male named Michael, who works at the recycling plant.

Once the director pulls you in to the plight of Ted Rodrigue, the film begins to build its plot showing Ted doing his daily dumpster-dive, collecting cans for the day's food, cigarettes and beer when he finds a briefcase amongst the rubbish. Ted stops to brush it off and opens it up slowly and finds that it is stuffed with cash. A note atop the money reads "What would a homeless person do if he were given $100,000?" Shocked and in tears, Ted comes to the realization that he is the recipient of a major amount of cash. What he doesn't realize, however, is that his life may never be the same.

Ted almost immediately buys a new bicycle, rents a motel room and takes his buddy Mike to an amusement park. The word gets out among the homeless community and, before you know it, Ted, who once couldn't find a girlfriend because his lack of teeth, now enjoys female companionship in his motel room. As soon as Ted notifies his mother and sisters of his attainment of wealth, they begin to take his calls and his mother invites him to stay with her until he finds his own residence. The family is shown discussing how concerned they are for Ted's welfare.

A week after finding the money, and having spent over $2,000, Ted is still in the motel and is asked to speak with an advocate for the homeless. The counselor asks Ted what he thinks about having all of this money, to which Ted replies that he really hasn't thought about it much and that he has too much time on his hands now since he no longer has to recycle. Ted makes plans to leave for Sacramento to stay with his mother, but before leaving, he buys Mike a car and promises to fly his lady friend to Sacramento once he gets there and settled, coyly exclaiming as he gets in to the van to leave for the airport "bang 'em and leave 'em".

The following weeks find Ted hanging out at the local bar, his spending averaging $10,000 a week. He then purchases a $35,000 Dodge Ram and another truck for one of his recently acquired girlfriends, rents an apartment and buys furniture. The filmmakers then request that he meet with a financial planner. Ted meets with him, but firmly announces to him that he has no intentions of working and wishes to not plan ahead as he is only concerned with today. Ted states his belief that the financial planner is only after his money and rips up his card.

His sisters repeatedly try to convince Ted to seek employment, although he still believes he is "set for life". By this time, Ted has become resentful to the film producers for giving him the money. The film then ends telling the viewer that, six months after finding the money, Ted refuses to disclose his latest bank balance; however, his sisters fear that it is less than $5,000.

On a December 1, 2006 airing of the Oprah Winfrey Show entitled: "Are You Ready For a Windfall?", Ted and the producer of the documentary were on the program to promote the documentary and speak on their account of the experiment. When asked by Oprah how much of the $100,000 he still had, Ted replied "none". Ted also mentioned that he is back homeless, and content with his current circumstances.

Sucks, but I really don't give a rats ass for people who are poor because they are unwise.

[Kontroll]

Stereotypes and racism.

Black people are no different from asians, whites, hispanics, whatever. Each race and background can acheive whatever dream they wish to have if they work on it.

Looks don't matter. Like the saying, "It doesn't matter 30 years from now, what clothes you wore, what car you drove, what people you've dated. What matters is what you learned and how you used it. "

People concoct these kinds of weird ideas that black people are poor because of Africa and the amount of poverty there. Yes, black people there are in poverty but that does not go for all black people.

To your question on why some black people just give up on success is because some of them actually believe the stereotypes being place on them, causing them to think, "Since everyone says that, even if I do try to succeed, I'm not going to make it anyway so why bother the trouble. "

I'm not black but people really need to stop sterotyping everyone.

I'm not stereotyping. I'm simply trying to make a point. People stereotype themselves. This kid I know would go on all day about how he was black and that he was being oppressed by the white man. You know what? It got really annoying. Cause we didn't do anything to him. He actually graduated higher than I did. That doesn't say much, cause I'm dumb, but do you see my point? I'm not the one saying that they can't succeed. THey are. And I'm not just trying to pick out black people. I know there are all kinds of people who make dumb ass decisions... I've actually met and talked to homeless people. It sucked. But, all I hear all the time is that urban black people are lazy. You know what? I feel it's some what true. I see it. It's not like I don't live far from the city. Josh even said so, and he lives there.

You know that there is some truth in all stereotypes right?

[flaymzofice]

^ naturally otherwise where would such tellings find their source?

However, I think it's about more than just a label. It is society's nature to believe what we are told even though we are the ones generating the stories being fed to us by the media (kind of chicken and egg in that respect). And I believe it's more associated with education than genuine belief in one's ability to better one self. Where I live in London, we have one of the lowest pass rates for any kind of academic qualification (starting at high school level). Here, black, white, purple kids are all in the same boat - they are constantly being undermined by the education system, one which is not entirely willing to help them succeed. Kids require motivation, but if their teachers give up after only putting in 25%, why should the kid bother putting in anymore? And then the reasons for failing start kicking in and yes, I do agree to an extent that racial discrimation in the classroom will always factor into it, but that is just one of a number.

And then there's environment. Yes, there are those kids who get out of the 'ghetto', who make great success stories of themselves, but when all your friends are hanging out, chilling after school, not bothered by work and having a good time, what kid won't choose play over work? I coach tennis in an area even rougher than mine, and there was this one kid (yes, black), one of the most naturally gifted tennis players in that whole county and he knew, and they knew it. The club basically took him on as their own son - driving him to matches, giving him free coaching, paying his tournament fees, tennis clothing, feeding him, letting him stay over before a big game. He started when he was 9, not too late to have let the 'bad' influences creep in yet, and he was in this positive environment pretty much five hours a day, six days a week, for the next six years. Then one day, he just stopped going to training and now even his own aunt couldn't tell you where he was. He was given opportunities other kids in that area could only dream about but he threw it away. That's not a stereotype; that was him being unable to fight the way of life his non-tennis playing friends were immersed in.

The need to fit in overrides a great deal of ambition when you're a teenager, especially if the education you were provided with was insufficient to encourage you otherwise. And even then, even with support and belief in you, things don't always go right.

Stereotypes will always exist but yes, to an extent, they are an excuse for failure, though not always innocent of the fact.

P.s., as to people stereotyping themselves, well, yeah, I'll raise my hand to this. A lot of the time, stereotyping is meant as a form of reverse psychology. Unfortunately for me, I'm one of those on whom it provokes the exact opposite effect. If you tell me I can't do something, rather than spurring me on to prove you wrong (maybe it's a wire shortage in my brain but I just can't grasp where the satisfaction in this concept lies), it angers me so that I subscribe to your prescription and so I'll fail just to prove you right, and your subsequent failure to achieve the intention of the application of reverse psychology, will be my success (though obviously, only minor and superficial and largely, to my own detriment)

[voguelove]

well, in a way, i definitely agree with you and in a way, i dont.


i know this has nothing to do with african americans, but..what other artist (music) is in the united states besides for whites and african americans? there arent hardly any other races besides for whites and blacks. but, thats the only thing i can think of that isnt mixed in cultures.

[*Uronacid*]

As I'm reading this, an add for MaMa Lotion is being displayed at the top of the screen... "Skin Correction for African Americans".... haha

[*mishyerr*]

Well, OF COURSE black people don't fail because they're black. And I'm not saying all of them fail either. There are PLENTY of African Americans who have contributed much more than whites and other ethnicities.

This is just another stupid racial stereotype. Just like 'Asians are smart.' (Although... we are ;) )

[multifaceted]

I'm not stereotyping. I'm simply trying to make a point. People stereotype themselves. This kid I know would go on all day about how he was black and that he was being oppressed by the white man. You know what? It got really annoying. Cause we didn't do anything to him. He actually graduated higher than I did. That doesn't say much, cause I'm dumb, but do you see my point? I'm not the one saying that they can't succeed. THey are. And I'm not just trying to pick out black people. I know there are all kinds of people who make dumb ass decisions... I've actually met and talked to homeless people. It sucked. But, all I hear all the time is that urban black people are lazy. You know what? I feel it's some what true. I see it. It's not like I don't live far from the city. Josh even said so, and he lives there.

You know that there is some truth in all stereotypes right?

Oh I wasn't calling you that. Sorry if you took that the wrong way. I meant by just normal people. Your normal, average Joe would sterotype something and be somewhat racist against something.

And yes there is some truth to all stereotypes. If not, where did they think of them in the first place?

And yes people do stereotype themselves as well. A lot of asians that I know will leave other asians because they don't live up to the stereotype.

I don't know much about homeless people because I don't live in the city (I live a more rural than suburban area in Jersey). Sure there are homeless people in my area, but many of them are well taken cared of by the shelters that are provided by the town. By that I mean with food (Lots of food there), clothing (Lots of that too), medication, etc. So I have never ever in my entire life actually seen a homeless person. (Only in TV) Even on my weekly visits to NYC, I've never seen (also include the car window) a homeless person just sitting there.

I think being a homeless person in the city is more dangerous than being a homeless person in my area.

Blacks sometimes use the stereotype as an excuse for their actions. It's like...

Me: Are you doing work?
Dude: No.
Me: Why not?
Dude: I'm lazy.
Me: ...
Dude: What do you expect? I'm black!

That pisses me off.

[Kontroll]

And then there's environment. Yes, there are those kids who get out of the 'ghetto', who make great success stories of themselves, but when all your friends are hanging out, chilling after school, not bothered by work and having a good time, what kid won't choose play over work? I coach tennis in an area even rougher than mine, and there was this one kid (yes, black), one of the most naturally gifted tennis players in that whole county and he knew, and they knew it. The club basically took him on as their own son - driving him to matches, giving him free coaching, paying his tournament fees, tennis clothing, feeding him, letting him stay over before a big game. He started when he was 9, not too late to have let the 'bad' influences creep in yet, and he was in this positive environment pretty much five hours a day, six days a week, for the next six years. Then one day, he just stopped going to training and now even his own aunt couldn't tell you where he was. He was given opportunities other kids in that area could only dream about but he threw it away. That's not a stereotype; that was him being unable to fight the way of life his non-tennis playing friends were immersed in.

Alright. I understand what you are saying. But the fact is that they are not surrounded by bad influences for 100% of their day. Nor 100% of their life. So, again, it's an excuse that they give up on themselves. Sure there is some influence, but it's not an absolute influence. I've had bad experiences in my life, I've been told that I can I can succeed and am a great student. But for the life of me, I can't stick with anything. I have the ability, but I look focus.

Let's just agree that it's a choice. I mean, am I wrong? We choose to give up and not further ourselves. I do. I know it's wrong, but I choose ignorance, ignorantly. Haha.

I don't know much about homeless people because I don't live in the city (I live a more rural than suburban area in Jersey). Sure there are homeless people in my area, but many of them are well taken cared of by the shelters that are provided by the town. By that I mean with food (Lots of food there), clothing (Lots of that too), medication, etc. So I have never ever in my entire life actually seen a homeless person. (Only in TV) Even on my weekly visits to NYC, I've never seen (also include the car window) a homeless person just sitting there.

Some what true. I know that alot of homeless people get shelter, but I've seen more deny charity. Believe it or not.

[fameONE]

I'll take this as my cue to leave my rather brief input, because, I could ramble on about this for days.

Where I come from, you're expected to fail or live up to mediocre standards, regardless of race. Working class families struggle and that's just the way it is. I was fortunate enough to see the other side of things, move out of that environment and be forced to make decision without those circumstances to restrict me.

When it comes to stereotypes, especially those that seem to publicly humiliate a given race in the media, I'm angered relatively easily. Not to point to finger at anyone, but I feel as though everyone does an adequate job of perpetuating stereotypes to a certain extent.

The notion that African Americans/Black people/those of the Ebony hue (oo, I like the third one) are lazy, good for nothing beings is reflective of an old southern misconception. If, from birth, a person is told that they will never succeed in life, they aren't shown many opportunities for advancement, they're poorly educated and they truly don't know any better, this will happen.

Times have changed since early 20th century. Gone are the days where opportunities are limited solely to White people. Although, subtle discrimination still goes on, we are able to get jobs and provide for our families. Unfortunately, unless you were brought up in a middle class income bracket, these opportunities still don't seem to be available.

More to come.

[flaymzofice]

^ agree. That's what I was getting at...less succinctly. And JakeKKing, yeah, it is a choice...to an extent and obviously I don't know how you've grown up and what experiences you've been subject to, but that's precisely half the problem with stereotyping - each case in is individual and while it doesn't justify anyone's behaviour/choice to fail/blaming it on stereotype/racism, I can certainly empathise more with some scenarios than others where the decision to give up rather than persist, is made.

But again, yes, where the reason is stereotype, more often than not, a conscious choice has been made to live up to that. I'm just saying that it's not always without context and so we shouldn't judge each and everyone quite so harshly and on the same all encompassing basis.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I haven't thoroughly read everything throughout this topic. But I do think that it's dumb that there are certian stereotypes about nationality out there. African Americans aren't the only people who have negative stereotypes. I come from a family with not-so-nice people and my brother used to hang out with a lot of racist people. They were racist to anyone who didn't look like them. It angered me sooo much.
When people themselves say "Oh I'm black, I don't have to do that." I think it's just ignorance. I don't throw around my nationality. But I also think it's crap that people have put up with other people's ignorance too. I know what it's like to be stereotyped from a different aspect, but that's not really relivent to this.

I think that if you find a way to create opportunity for yourself that you can find many possibilities. It's hard to create opportunity for yourself, but I think that's a step in proving certain stereotypes wrong.

[bat19]

Well, it doesn't help that so many of these ignorant assholes are so proud of the fact that they are nothing and contribute nothing. My brother seems to be proud of this fact. In recent years there seems to have been a great increase to these types of people not only in urban areas but also suburban areas in prosperous families. And you wanna know whose fault it is? It's not the government, it's not television, it's not the "Po-Po stoppin' a brotha' from succeedin in this bitch."(Actual quote from a black kid in school.) It's the goddamn f**kin RAP MUSIC!!! f**k Rap Music! It has done nothing but increase the f**kin crime rate, increase the drug use to where every f**kin kid I know does drugs daily, and has increased the hostility towards cops. The term "f**k the Police" has become part of everyday conversation. "187 on an undercover cop" f**k YOU!! I swear if I hear one more black, white, asian, mexican, or puerto rican kid come at me saying "yo, what up son. You see dat bitches ass? Whoo, I could tap dat shit all night. Yo, da f**kin cops done stole my weed again. Assholes. By, the way, I failed 10th grade again, Its aight though son. I'll get my GED and work for a gas station. If only that shit wasn't so hard to do. Shit, you gotta know all dem' numbers kid."
I'm sick of all these motherf**kers complaining how they never got no money and can't afford to live when he buys $200 worth of weed everyweek, buys new clothes and shoes every f**kin day that cost $80 for a t-shirt that you can't even see under the goddamn puffy jacket, GODDAMN I HATE THESE ASSHOLES!!!
And it seems like I'm only talking about guys. f**k these stupid women too. They go out with these stupid assholes who cheat on them all the time and have kids when they're 12 and get into fights at the local grocery store cause she found her best friend with her baby daddy on top of their lawn furniture that's set up in their living room., goddamn it, f**k em. I wish all these stupid bitches and stupid motherf**kers could all just die. I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in a drive-by every time I'm taking groceries out of the car.

Here's the thing about these people. They complain that they can't get a job, yet when they have a job they don't want their job and never do it right and don't care that they're doing it right, I mean it's your fault anyway for having an order at f**kin Taco Bell for five of your friends, I mean five different orders is a lot of different things to pay attention to so instead of double checking I'll just put whatever the f**k I want and charge you more than it should have been then get all in their face if they have the nerve to complain, I mean I did my job, shit, don't matter if I didnt do it right." Mass genocide should be allowed for these f**kin assholes. I would actually say yes to another holocaust just for these useless motherf**kers.

Whew, that feels good to let it all out like that. I mean every word of it and truly hope for a world where good people don't have to be afraid to go to their jobs in the city without being mugged on their way home to see their family after a long day of actual work. Instead of welfare, let's just not give them any aid at all. For maybe fifty years it will be pretty tough to deal with and the crime would go up temporarily, but I believe if the army was behind the movement and regular people would just go with it, I think all our problems would be solved. Oh, I would also banish all gangster rap music and gangster rap artists. It is the easiest form of music there is people, thats why theres a new rapper every day. Sure you could say the same thing about rock music, but you know what, people who play rock music actually have to spend years learning how to play instruments and then be able to put those instruments together in a favorable rythym, even bands that suck. I would listen to Fallout boy for the rest of my life if someone would kill all these ignorant people. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Spanish, Indians, Native Americans, all of these people. Just kill them, dont help them because instead of being grateful, all they do is complain about how they don't get helped enough. GET A f**kin JOB YOU f**kin LEECHES!!!

[*Uronacid*]

Well, it doesn't help that so many of these ignorant assholes are so proud of the fact that they are nothing and contribute nothing. My brother seems to be proud of this fact. In recent years there seems to have been a great increase to these types of people not only in urban areas but also suburban areas in prosperous families. And you wanna know whose fault it is? It's not the government, it's not television, it's not the "Po-Po stoppin' a brotha' from succeedin in this bitch."(Actual quote from a black kid in school.) It's the goddamn f**kin RAP MUSIC!!! f**k Rap Music! It has done nothing but increase the f**kin crime rate, increase the drug use to where every f**kin kid I know does drugs daily, and has increased the hostility towards cops. The term "f**k the Police" has become part of everyday conversation. "187 on an undercover cop" f**k YOU!! I swear if I hear one more black, white, asian, mexican, or puerto rican kid come at me saying "yo, what up son. You see dat bitches ass? Whoo, I could tap dat shit all night. Yo, da f**kin cops done stole my weed again. Assholes. By, the way, I failed 10th grade again, Its aight though son. I'll get my GED and work for a gas station. If only that shit wasn't so hard to do. Shit, you gotta know all dem' numbers kid."
I'm sick of all these motherf**kers complaining how they never got no money and can't afford to live when he buys $200 worth of weed everyweek, buys new clothes and shoes every f**kin day that cost $80 for a t-shirt that you can't even see under the goddamn puffy jacket, GODDAMN I HATE THESE ASSHOLES!!!
And it seems like I'm only talking about guys. f**k these stupid women too. They go out with these stupid assholes who cheat on them all the time and have kids when they're 12 and get into fights at the local grocery store cause she found her best friend with her baby daddy on top of their lawn furniture that's set up in their living room., goddamn it, f**k em. I wish all these stupid bitches and stupid motherf**kers could all just die. I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in a drive-by every time I'm taking groceries out of the car.

Here's the thing about these people. They complain that they can't get a job, yet when they have a job they don't want their job and never do it right and don't care that they're doing it right, I mean it's your fault anyway for having an order at f**kin Taco Bell for five of your friends, I mean five different orders is a lot of different things to pay attention to so instead of double checking I'll just put whatever the f**k I want and charge you more than it should have been then get all in their face if they have the nerve to complain, I mean I did my job, shit, don't matter if I didnt do it right. Mass genocide should be allowed for these f**kin assholes. I would actually say yes to another holocaust just for these useless motherf**kers.

Whew, that feels good to let it all out like that. I mean every word of it and truly hope for a world where good people don't have to be afraid to go to their jobs in the city without being mugged on their way home to see their family after a long day of actual work. Instead of welfare, let's just not give them any aid at all. For maybe fifty years it will be pretty tough to deal with and the crime would go up temporarily, but I believe if the army was behind the movement and regular people would just go with it, I think all our problems would be solved. Oh, I would also banish all gangster rap music and gangster rap artists. It is the easiest form of music there is people, thats why theres a new rapper every day. Sure you could say the same thing about rock music, but you know what, people who play rock music actually have to spend years learning how to play instruments and then be able to put those instruments together in a favorable rythym, even bands that suck. I would listen to Fallout boy for the rest of my life if someone would kill all these ignorant people. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Spanish, Indians, Native Americans, all of these people. Just kill them, dont help them because instead of being grateful, all they do is complain about how they don't get helped enough. GET A f**kin JOB YOU f**kin LEECHES!!!

f**k EM YEAH!!!!!! f**k RAP!!!! f**k IT~~!!!!

I second dis shizznatt!!!

[*mishyerr*]

Well, it doesn't help that so many of these ignorant assholes are so proud of the fact that they are nothing and contribute nothing. My brother seems to be proud of this fact. In recent years there seems to have been a great increase to these types of people not only in urban areas but also suburban areas in prosperous families. And you wanna know whose fault it is? It's not the government, it's not television, it's not the "Po-Po stoppin' a brotha' from succeedin in this bitch."(Actual quote from a black kid in school.) It's the goddamn f**kin RAP MUSIC!!! f**k Rap Music! It has done nothing but increase the f**kin crime rate, increase the drug use to where every f**kin kid I know does drugs daily, and has increased the hostility towards cops. The term "f**k the Police" has become part of everyday conversation. "187 on an undercover cop" f**k YOU!! I swear if I hear one more black, white, asian, mexican, or puerto rican kid come at me saying "yo, what up son. You see dat bitches ass? Whoo, I could tap dat shit all night. Yo, da f**kin cops done stole my weed again. Assholes. By, the way, I failed 10th grade again, Its aight though son. I'll get my GED and work for a gas station. If only that shit wasn't so hard to do. Shit, you gotta know all dem' numbers kid."
I'm sick of all these motherf**kers complaining how they never got no money and can't afford to live when he buys $200 worth of weed everyweek, buys new clothes and shoes every f**kin day that cost $80 for a t-shirt that you can't even see under the goddamn puffy jacket, GODDAMN I HATE THESE ASSHOLES!!!
And it seems like I'm only talking about guys. f**k these stupid women too. They go out with these stupid assholes who cheat on them all the time and have kids when they're 12 and get into fights at the local grocery store cause she found her best friend with her baby daddy on top of their lawn furniture that's set up in their living room., goddamn it, f**k em. I wish all these stupid bitches and stupid motherf**kers could all just die. I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in a drive-by every time I'm taking groceries out of the car.

Here's the thing about these people. They complain that they can't get a job, yet when they have a job they don't want their job and never do it right and don't care that they're doing it right, I mean it's your fault anyway for having an order at f**kin Taco Bell for five of your friends, I mean five different orders is a lot of different things to pay attention to so instead of double checking I'll just put whatever the f**k I want and charge you more than it should have been then get all in their face if they have the nerve to complain, I mean I did my job, shit, don't matter if I didnt do it right. Mass genocide should be allowed for these f**kin assholes. I would actually say yes to another holocaust just for these useless motherf**kers.

Whew, that feels good to let it all out like that. I mean every word of it and truly hope for a world where good people don't have to be afraid to go to their jobs in the city without being mugged on their way home to see their family after a long day of actual work. Instead of welfare, let's just not give them any aid at all. For maybe fifty years it will be pretty tough to deal with and the crime would go up temporarily, but I believe if the army was behind the movement and regular people would just go with it, I think all our problems would be solved. Oh, I would also banish all gangster rap music and gangster rap artists. It is the easiest form of music there is people, thats why theres a new rapper every day. Sure you could say the same thing about rock music, but you know what, people who play rock music actually have to spend years learning how to play instruments and then be able to put those instruments together in a favorable rythym, even bands that suck. I would listen to Fallout boy for the rest of my life if someone would kill all these ignorant people. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Spanish, Indians, Native Americans, all of these people. Just kill them, dont help them because instead of being grateful, all they do is complain about how they don't get helped enough. GET A f**kin JOB YOU f**kin LEECHES!!!

Wow, you're quite bitter.

And yes, I do agree that the television has a negative effect on many races, not only the blacks.

[turntabletux]

why you hatin' on me son....kidding. I agree.
-ant

[fameONE]

Well, it doesn't help that so many of these ignorant assholes are so proud of the fact that they are nothing and contribute nothing. My brother seems to be proud of this fact. In recent years there seems to have been a great increase to these types of people not only in urban areas but also suburban areas in prosperous families. And you wanna know whose fault it is? It's not the government, it's not television, it's not the "Po-Po stoppin' a brotha' from succeedin in this bitch."(Actual quote from a black kid in school.) It's the goddamn f**kin RAP MUSIC!!! f**k Rap Music! It has done nothing but increase the f**kin crime rate, increase the drug use to where every f**kin kid I know does drugs daily, and has increased the hostility towards cops. The term "f**k the Police" has become part of everyday conversation. "187 on an undercover cop" f**k YOU!! I swear if I hear one more black, white, asian, mexican, or puerto rican kid come at me saying "yo, what up son. You see dat bitches ass? Whoo, I could tap dat shit all night. Yo, da f**kin cops done stole my weed again. Assholes. By, the way, I failed 10th grade again, Its aight though son. I'll get my GED and work for a gas station. If only that shit wasn't so hard to do. Shit, you gotta know all dem' numbers kid."
I'm sick of all these motherf**kers complaining how they never got no money and can't afford to live when he buys $200 worth of weed everyweek, buys new clothes and shoes every f**kin day that cost $80 for a t-shirt that you can't even see under the goddamn puffy jacket, GODDAMN I HATE THESE ASSHOLES!!!
And it seems like I'm only talking about guys. f**k these stupid women too. They go out with these stupid assholes who cheat on them all the time and have kids when they're 12 and get into fights at the local grocery store cause she found her best friend with her baby daddy on top of their lawn furniture that's set up in their living room., goddamn it, f**k em. I wish all these stupid bitches and stupid motherf**kers could all just die. I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in a drive-by every time I'm taking groceries out of the car.

Here's the thing about these people. They complain that they can't get a job, yet when they have a job they don't want their job and never do it right and don't care that they're doing it right, I mean it's your fault anyway for having an order at f**kin Taco Bell for five of your friends, I mean five different orders is a lot of different things to pay attention to so instead of double checking I'll just put whatever the f**k I want and charge you more than it should have been then get all in their face if they have the nerve to complain, I mean I did my job, shit, don't matter if I didnt do it right." Mass genocide should be allowed for these f**kin assholes. I would actually say yes to another holocaust just for these useless motherf**kers.

Whew, that feels good to let it all out like that. I mean every word of it and truly hope for a world where good people don't have to be afraid to go to their jobs in the city without being mugged on their way home to see their family after a long day of actual work. Instead of welfare, let's just not give them any aid at all. For maybe fifty years it will be pretty tough to deal with and the crime would go up temporarily, but I believe if the army was behind the movement and regular people would just go with it, I think all our problems would be solved. Oh, I would also banish all gangster rap music and gangster rap artists. It is the easiest form of music there is people, thats why theres a new rapper every day. Sure you could say the same thing about rock music, but you know what, people who play rock music actually have to spend years learning how to play instruments and then be able to put those instruments together in a favorable rythym, even bands that suck. I would listen to Fallout boy for the rest of my life if someone would kill all these ignorant people. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Spanish, Indians, Native Americans, all of these people. Just kill them, dont help them because instead of being grateful, all they do is complain about how they don't get helped enough. GET A f**kin JOB YOU f**kin LEECHES!!!

Though you raise a few good points, you fail to elaborate intelligently, thus making you sound like an ignorant prick with harbored racial hostilities. So does this mean you're going to commit suicide? Since you fit in quite well with the rest of the ignorant, you might want to take your own advice. Even someone outspoken can talk so much and not say a word. If you would actually take the time and pose an intelligent argument; a stoic rebuttal with more substance than constant profanity; I might take you seriously.

This is coming from someone that has been raised around gangs, been shot, been stabbed, done dirt, been harrassed by the police, been robbed, lived day to day, etc, etc, etc. Your generalization is all in your head.

[Kontroll]

Though you raise a few good points, you fail to elaborate intelligently, thus making you sound like an ignorant prick with harbored racial hostilities. So does this mean you're going to commit suicide? Since you fit in quite well with the rest of the ignorant, you might want to take your own advice. Even someone outspoken can talk so much and not say a word. If you would actually take the time and pose an intelligent argument; a stoic rebuttal with more substance than constant profanity; I might take you seriously.

This is coming from someone that has been raised around gangs, been shot, been stabbed, done dirt, been harrassed by the police, been robbed, lived day to day, etc, etc, etc. Your generalization is all in your head.

Haha. That kid aint no gansta son. Hell, he's a bitch if I ever saw'd one.

[*KCreateBlog*]

Well, it doesn't help that so many of these ignorant assholes are so proud of the fact that they are nothing and contribute nothing. My brother seems to be proud of this fact. In recent years there seems to have been a great increase to these types of people not only in urban areas but also suburban areas in prosperous families. And you wanna know whose fault it is? It's not the government, it's not television, it's not the "Po-Po stoppin' a brotha' from succeedin in this bitch."(Actual quote from a black kid in school.) It's the goddamn f**kin RAP MUSIC!!! f**k Rap Music! It has done nothing but increase the f**kin crime rate, increase the drug use to where every f**kin kid I know does drugs daily, and has increased the hostility towards cops. The term "f**k the Police" has become part of everyday conversation. "187 on an undercover cop" f**k YOU!! I swear if I hear one more black, white, asian, mexican, or puerto rican kid come at me saying "yo, what up son. You see dat bitches ass? Whoo, I could tap dat shit all night. Yo, da f**kin cops done stole my weed again. Assholes. By, the way, I failed 10th grade again, Its aight though son. I'll get my GED and work for a gas station. If only that shit wasn't so hard to do. Shit, you gotta know all dem' numbers kid."
I'm sick of all these motherf**kers complaining how they never got no money and can't afford to live when he buys $200 worth of weed everyweek, buys new clothes and shoes every f**kin day that cost $80 for a t-shirt that you can't even see under the goddamn puffy jacket, GODDAMN I HATE THESE ASSHOLES!!!
And it seems like I'm only talking about guys. f**k these stupid women too. They go out with these stupid assholes who cheat on them all the time and have kids when they're 12 and get into fights at the local grocery store cause she found her best friend with her baby daddy on top of their lawn furniture that's set up in their living room., goddamn it, f**k em. I wish all these stupid bitches and stupid motherf**kers could all just die. I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in a drive-by every time I'm taking groceries out of the car.

Here's the thing about these people. They complain that they can't get a job, yet when they have a job they don't want their job and never do it right and don't care that they're doing it right, I mean it's your fault anyway for having an order at f**kin Taco Bell for five of your friends, I mean five different orders is a lot of different things to pay attention to so instead of double checking I'll just put whatever the f**k I want and charge you more than it should have been then get all in their face if they have the nerve to complain, I mean I did my job, shit, don't matter if I didnt do it right." Mass genocide should be allowed for these f**kin assholes. I would actually say yes to another holocaust just for these useless motherf**kers.

Whew, that feels good to let it all out like that. I mean every word of it and truly hope for a world where good people don't have to be afraid to go to their jobs in the city without being mugged on their way home to see their family after a long day of actual work. Instead of welfare, let's just not give them any aid at all. For maybe fifty years it will be pretty tough to deal with and the crime would go up temporarily, but I believe if the army was behind the movement and regular people would just go with it, I think all our problems would be solved. Oh, I would also banish all gangster rap music and gangster rap artists. It is the easiest form of music there is people, thats why theres a new rapper every day. Sure you could say the same thing about rock music, but you know what, people who play rock music actually have to spend years learning how to play instruments and then be able to put those instruments together in a favorable rythym, even bands that suck. I would listen to Fallout boy for the rest of my life if someone would kill all these ignorant people. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Spanish, Indians, Native Americans, all of these people. Just kill them, dont help them because instead of being grateful, all they do is complain about how they don't get helped enough. GET A f**kin JOB YOU f**kin LEECHES!!!

LOL I'm black, I listen to rap music. Never once have I had run ins with the law. I dress in baggy clothes, backwards hats, and plan on getting a diamond in my ear. If I came to school in abercombie and whatever it wouldn't be me. I can also play piano, but wait I listen to rap, Im not supposed to be able to do that. The majority of people who listen to rap music are not criminals, unless you have evidence that states otherwise? Remember Japan has tons of violent video games, and rap is huge over there also, but yet their crime rate isn't as high as the U.S. Its a lot more to it than just music or entertainment.

Say what you will about Rap, Rock , or any other music genre, but I honestly think its a poor excuse and at the end of the day most people need to take responsiblity for his/ her their actions. If Rap or Rock is the burden to all races , then I guess we should also eradicate all movies and video games with violence as this would also be equally contributing to the problem. If this is truly what you want I highly doubt it would solve any of the problems because gangs, killings, bitches, hos, strippers, and prostitutes were all in existance before the conception or rap.

Me personally I think if kids had mentors or a decent father figure in their lives they would more likely succeed, and research backs this. If this research is really true then maybe the reason more blacks are susceptible to failure than other races, is due to the fact that blacks are more likely to have a kid out of wedlock than other races, which means in the process a lot of father figures will vanish from some childrens lives. Not a fact, just a theory of mine.

[flaymzofice]

Despite the somewhat incoherent form of his argument, Jeremy makes a point I agree with to an extent; I would advocate another Holocaust type situation if it meant the genocidal eradication of welfare leechers who feel they are entitled to those social benefits because 'society failed them by failing to provide an adequate education/to give them a cushy job which requires no work and plenty of pay'. But at the end of the day, there are those spoon fed golden opportunities but opt out, and those who will strive their whole life with no gain. That's just the way it goes and you can go on explaining the reasons behind failure all you want but there is general justification since there is no such thing as generalised failure - it happens to every race, either gender, from any social class.

Btw, I also disagree that the blame can be laid at the feet of music/television/video games and other forms of media. They may exacerbate the situation but they are not the root cause.

[bat19]

Lets get something straight, okay. I'm not saying that rap music is the only reason we have gang violence, I'm not an idiot. When I wrote what I put above, I wrote it in haste in about 5 minutes. If I had thought that my idea would be interpreted that I'm saying rap music is the direct result of all the drugs and crime, I would have gone into a much longer descriptive. I apologize for overestimating people and will state the obvious much more frequently.
As far as saying that I have rascist views, your a f**kin moron dude. Not once did I say it was all the blacks or all the spanish, or all the whites. I said it's everybody. Every ignorant, lazy, gangster lowlife that I see and feel like crossing the street just to avoid. Don't get me wrong, I'm no pussy but from what I've actually witnessed(not saw on television or heard about in music), these people stab or shoot first and ask questions later. They have no conscience or morality. To call me a rascist is actually telling more about yourself for thinking I was only talking about blacks. I know as many gangster, lowlife blacks as I do gangster Puerto Ricans or Gangster white kids. I also know many black guys who think that kind of life is retarded and would rather work for money than steal it.
If I were talking about all black people and all Puerto Ricans, my mother would die, my sister would die, my niece, nephew, brother in law, all my uncles and my aunt, and my grandfather would all be included in my second holocaust. I am 1/2 Puerto Rican and rather proud of that fact, yet I don't go out and get high and get arrested and get into fights every day. My brother in law is black and though he treats me like an a-hole, he is one of the smartest people I know and has provided a great life for my sister and they're two kids. He grew up in a bad neighborhood in Rochester and my sister grew up in apartment projects in Brooklyn. Neither of them to my knowledge have ever been in a gang or gotten into fights over lost weed or beat some kids ass in front of a gas station for his cell phone.
Of course there are many different types of ignorant people. There's also the white trash types which I unfortunately am also related. My father's side of the family is comprised of a bunch of (white) people who enjoy doing drugs, drinking until they are incoherent, and would rather fight you to prove a point than sit down and discuss it. I have two sisters currently pregnant where one of them is going out with her first childs father but pregnant with her recently ex-boyfriend's child who was married(and she knew he was) and the other isn't 100% sure that the baby is her boyfriends. I have a brother that has been in and out of jails and homes for being violent and abusive. Why? I grew up in the exact same house as him, I lived in the same areas and pretty much socialized with the same people. He does not have ADD or any of those other excuses, rather he just has a violent personality. So f**k him. The point of this is that violence is a choice, laziness is a choice, working for a living is a choice. The reason Ichose to talk about the gangster ignorants instead of the white trash is because I was replying to a post created after Jake observed the neighborhood I currently live in. Yet I have a job, I don't do drugs, I've never been arrested. What makes me different? I mean I am Puerto Rican, shouldn't I be in a gang or something?

[flaymzofice]

^ I think Brandon was simply referring to the cursing which littered your post as opposed to accusing you directly of being racist. He actually agreed with some of what you were saying.

I don't think it's necessary for anyone to elaborate on the details of their social environment to prove a point. Laziness, violent/criminal behaviour, working for a living may indeed be a choice but sometimes it is presented more than a little less favourably, in circumstances very much similar to those you have described. What one chooses to do with themselves at that given time, is just their decision. While I will be hypocritical and admit that I am guilty of this, we shouldn't judge them for the choices they make. After all, we could be a slip and turn away from being in the very same predicament and who knows how we will respond?

Seeing others make the 'stupid' decision empowers us to do otherwise and in the same turn of hand, makes us complacent. We can be (though aren't necessarily) fooled into thinking we would never make the same 'mistake' but it only takes a lowering of the guard once to fall into a routine we may not necessarily know how to climb our way out of. I am a firm believer in our choices making us who we are (just a belief and not one everybody is compelled to subscribe to), but just because we make a few bad ones, doesn't make us unredeemable for life.

Obviously I say this, but those who make no attempt to make amendments, well, again, genocide for the leeches isn't an idea I am completely opposed, whatever rights all are entitled to in the name of equality.

[sweetangel2128]

Well, in my own opinion, I don't think movies or music have anything to do with the violence committed nor do violent video games. People have there own minds on what they think is right and wrong, they know there in the wrong and they make there own mistakes and they influence themselves.

[fameONE]

Haha. That kid aint no gansta son. Hell, he's a bitch if I ever saw'd one.

My culture's not a trend
Being Black is not in
So for you it's just a phase you'll just have to transcend

I couldn't be more proud of who I am, where I've come from and where I'm going. I'm not trying to be a gangsta, kid. When you're in my shoes, you realize how you're just talking out of your ass. You tell me I'm not a gangsta, well I'm not, although I have an M16A4 in arms reach and a 9mm in my side holster. You act as though you're tough as hell because you made a few points, failed to expand, babbled on, got mad when people didn't agree with you and then tried to direct focus elsewhere. Nice try, but you're talking to a combat veteran.

[flaymzofice]

Well, in my own opinion, I don't think movies or music have anything to do with the violence committed nor do violent video games. People have there own minds on what they think is right and wrong, they know there in the wrong and they make there own mistakes and they influence themselves.

And where exactly do you think people's opinions on what constitutes rights and wrongs, come from? Surely you can't suggest people are born with an innate ability to differentiate? If this were true, why do children require parents to teach it is wrong to steal? To hit another kid in the playground? People are not born naturally resourceful; they do not find within themselves the governance of morals; that is influenced by the environment so media does play a role in the definition of one's morals/decisions.

[ReggieM]

Well its all parents fault, if parents are not there kids are taught by the media. But is it really fair to blame only rap music shows your point of veiw towards its listeners huh?I listen to rap but too bad for you im too smart to be sucked into the messages it throws at me. I may dress a little urban but im succeding in life. Can i really blame "50 cent" for everything i do wrong in life? Seems like the people that say that really need some proffesional help. Cant you not blame paris hilton for influencing all the young white girls to party away thier lives? Sure you can but its not her fault. If parents are not around media raises the child its true that the media affects them but schooling is also a key factor, but if ur coming from a good home and you are going out doing stupid things then i guess you are just rebellious? But to only pick out one particular factor in explaining a persons situation in life is a little bias.

There is this documentary of homeless people of how they refuse to get a job because they know that people would be there to give them food and clothe them, why would anyone ask anything more free food and clothing no work?AWESOME!!!! sometimes its our fault too but ofcourse theres the mother of 6 trying to work hard that really needs the help but then theres the guy that leeches off everyone else cuz he can. How many of you got a job on your own w/o your parents forcing you to get one(well whos parents want them NOT to focus on schoolwork lol like mine)?

[sweetangel2128]

And where exactly do you think people's opinions on what constitutes rights and wrongs, come from? Surely you can't suggest people are born with an innate ability to differentiate? If this were true, why do children require parents to teach it is wrong to steal? To hit another kid in the playground? People are not born naturally resourceful; they do not find within themselves the governance of morals; that is influenced by the environment so media does play a role in the definition of one's morals/decisions.

I just don't believe this stuff promotes violence. Maybe other kids on the play ground yes but were talking about music and movies..things that are NOT real. Plus, you say what do I think promotes it? Some people just have sick minds...not sure if you heard of this or not..but did you hear about the columbine shooting? I don't think that person was forced to do all that killing just because of a stupid video game. People have there own minds and think for themselves..it's like your saying - "Oh, I became a sex offender because my father was one"...NO...you can't use that as an excuse, you are your own person.

Well its all parents fault, if parents are not there kids are taught by the media. But is it really fair to blame only rap music shows your point of veiw towards its listeners huh?I listen to rap but too bad for you im too smart to be sucked into the messages it throws at me. I may dress a little urban but im succeding in life. Can i really blame "50 cent" for everything i do wrong in life? Seems like the people that say that really need some proffesional help. Cant you not blame paris hilton for influencing all the young white girls to party away thier lives? Sure you can but its not her fault. If parents are not around media raises the child its true that the media affects them but schooling is also a key factor, but if ur coming from a good home and you are going out doing stupid things then i guess you are just rebellious? But to only pick out one particular factor in explaining a persons situation in life is a little bias.

I agree. I believe it is the parents but I also believe that you can think for yourself and most of the stuff in life is not really about learning but common sense.

[Kontroll]

Well its all parents fault, if parents are not there kids are taught by the media. But is it really fair to blame only rap music shows your point of veiw towards its listeners huh?I listen to rap but too bad for you im too smart to be sucked into the messages it throws at me. I may dress a little urban but im succeding in life. Can i really blame "50 cent" for everything i do wrong in life? Seems like the people that say that really need some proffesional help. Cant you not blame paris hilton for influencing all the young white girls to party away thier lives? Sure you can but its not her fault. If parents are not around media raises the child its true that the media affects them but schooling is also a key factor, but if ur coming from a good home and you are going out doing stupid things then i guess you are just rebellious? But to only pick out one particular factor in explaining a persons situation in life is a little bias.

There is this documentary of homeless people of how they refuse to get a job because they know that people would be there to give them food and clothe them, why would anyone ask anything more free food and clothing no work?AWESOME!!!! sometimes its our fault too but ofcourse theres the mother of 6 trying to work hard that really needs the help but then theres the guy that leeches off everyone else cuz he can. How many of you got a job on your own w/o your parents forcing you to get one(well whos parents want them NOT to focus on schoolwork lol like mine)?

Tru dat homie. Hhaa. It's our own personal faults. Like you said, you can't blame your environment. That's how I feel. Like I said, you're not in one environment for 100% of your life, in this case at least. So, how can that make you be that certain way? It can't. It's the individuals choice. There are definitely influences, but you can't blame it on that cause those few that over come are an example, and if they can do it, then the rest don't have to fail. Right?

It's just annoying sometimes when I see people just throw their lives away because they think that they can't succeed because of their skin color. Their genes are no different. It's just the color of your skin.

[flaymzofice]

Yes, parents play a big role in guiding a child down the 'right'/'successful' path but like black_heart said, it's also unfair to pin the blame on any one factor. Heath21, you may not believe media promotes violence but you can't really say it is completely devoid of blame in perpetuating it. At the end of the day, it does come to individual choice but choice subject to a number of different external influences.

[bat19]

Well its all parents fault, if parents are not there kids are taught by the media. But is it really fair to blame only rap music shows your point of veiw towards its listeners huh?I listen to rap but too bad for you im too smart to be sucked into the messages it throws at me. I may dress a little urban but im succeding in life. Can i really blame "50 cent" for everything i do wrong in life? Seems like the people that say that really need some proffesional help. Cant you not blame paris hilton for influencing all the young white girls to party away thier lives? Sure you can but its not her fault. If parents are not around media raises the child its true that the media affects them but schooling is also a key factor, but if ur coming from a good home and you are going out doing stupid things then i guess you are just rebellious? But to only pick out one particular factor in explaining a persons situation in life is a little bias.

Okay, again, I will repeat myself. I did not mean to convey that all gang violence and drug use is the direct fault of Rap music. But it's true that this does play a major factor and you're an idiot if you think otherwise because it's not a point of view, but a fact. There are barely any rap songs nowadays that do not say nigger gratuitously and constantly talk about smoking weed, doing drugs and f**kin bitches then throwin them away. And again, I will repeat that it's not always rap music because rock music does the same thing, though not to the wide mass of audience that rap music influences. I was merely replying to Jake's comment about an observation of my neighborhood.
Sure you can blame the parent's. Parent's these days days range from age 12 on. If you think I'm exaggerating or talking from things I've heard or seen on tv, I live in Albany, NY in a neighborhood overrun with gangsters, crackheads, homeless people, and welfare babies. I work in a mall at a job where I have to talk to people constantly and I observe the way these people act in public, how they dress and talk and think. I refrain from asking gangster guys who wear baggy clothes that have Al Pacino's Scarface image and have more gold on them than Fort Knox with a semi-skinny little white girl wearing tight pants with the belly fat rolling over them holding a baby that won't stop crying or watching as their hellspawn runs rampant and undisciplined because these type of people never have anything to say and actually become aggrivated because I'm asking them to think about something. And all I do is show f**kin movie previews? But back to the parents being at fault. If the parents are like these people who couldn't care less what their child is doing and wear their child's criminal record as a badge of pride around the neighborhood, than yes, these people are at fault. This is also why I believe abortion should be legal and mandatory in some cases. But parents who take a general interest in what their children do cannot be blamed all the time for not controlling what their child is introduced to. Like it or not everything we take in, be it a visual or audible medium, influences us in some way. The music I was talking about can be heard anywhere on most radio stations. You cannot always control what someone listens to. A twelve year old girl hears a pussycat dolls song talking about how some guy she's with won't f**k her though she's trying very hard and is influenced by it. And BET is nothing but a softcore porn channel. You can put child locks on your television, but these images are still available on many entertainment magazines in the Supermarket. Whatever, I tend to write a lot in general but this idea that the parent's are always at fault is ridiculous and stupid. Who among us didnt hide some of the things we watched and did from our parents. I remeber I rented the South Park movie and watched it about ten times and my mom never knew a thing because I knew how to hide it. But I don't blame her for not knowing, and I'm not gonna say that the idea just popped in my head. I was influenced by television which was saying that it was a hilarious joyride of a movie and by friends who had seen it and talked about it constantly. I was directly influenced by media and society, if not for one of them I probably wouldn't have watched it to begin with. I probably wouldn't have cared.
Allright, I've written enough. My point is that the parents are not always at fault, though there are many instances where the parent is directly at fault. People are influenced by society and the media and choose to live this way. People could become better if they wanted to, but it is so much easier to live as a degenerate than as a normal, contributing member of society. Black people, White people, Asian, Spanish, and Indian people, I call for you to unite and dispose of these miscreants in the only way they deserve...

ELIMINATE THEM

[sweetangel2128]

Heath21, you may not believe media promotes violence but you can't really say it is completely devoid of blame in perpetuating it.

Well, I believe that's what people say to accuse something of there actions. People know right from wrong and they can control there actions. A video game or horror movie doesn't control that.

[ReggieM]

If you cant blame the parents then you cant blame the media....

[flaymzofice]

People know right from wrong and they can control there actions.

most of the stuff in life is not really about learning but common sense

I'm still not understanding where you think common sense comes from then, if you don't think it's taught/imparted/influenced. If a kid is born into a society where common sense is to walk around naked, then who's to say he's wrong? Do you get what I'm saying when I say common sense isn't innate but influenced by the society occupied?

[sweetangel2128]

I'm still not understanding where you think common sense comes from then, if you don't think it's taught/imparted/influenced. If a kid is born into a society where common sense is to walk around naked, then who's to say he's wrong? Do you get what I'm saying when I say common sense isn't innate but influenced by the society occupied?

I understand but I still don't believe that tv or video games or whatever media is the cause for there actions. If anyone is to blame it's the parents for teaching them wrong, not teaching them at all or allowing them to go into the wrong things.

[fameONE]

Okay, again, I will repeat myself. I did not mean to convey that all gang violence and drug use is the direct fault of Rap music. But it's true that this does play a major factor and you're an idiot if you think otherwise because it's not a point of view, but a fact. There are barely any rap songs nowadays that do not say nigger gratuitously and constantly talk about smoking weed, doing drugs and f**kin bitches then throwin them away. And again, I will repeat that it's not always rap music because rock music does the same thing, though not to the wide mass of audience that rap music influences. I was merely replying to Jake's comment about an observation of my neighborhood.
Sure you can blame the parent's. Parent's these days days range from age 12 on. If you think I'm exaggerating or talking from things I've heard or seen on tv, I live in Albany, NY in a neighborhood overrun with gangsters, crackheads, homeless people, and welfare babies. I work in a mall at a job where I have to talk to people constantly and I observe the way these people act in public, how they dress and talk and think. I refrain from asking gangster guys who wear baggy clothes that have Al Pacino's Scarface image and have more gold on them than Fort Knox with a semi-skinny little white girl wearing tight pants with the belly fat rolling over them holding a baby that won't stop crying or watching as their hellspawn runs rampant and undisciplined because these type of people never have anything to say and actually become aggrivated because I'm asking them to think about something. And all I do is show f**kin movie previews? But back to the parents being at fault. If the parents are like these people who couldn't care less what their child is doing and wear their child's criminal record as a badge of pride around the neighborhood, than yes, these people are at fault. This is also why I believe abortion should be legal and mandatory in some cases. But parents who take a general interest in what their children do cannot be blamed all the time for not controlling what their child is introduced to. Like it or not everything we take in, be it a visual or audible medium, influences us in some way. The music I was talking about can be heard anywhere on most radio stations. You cannot always control what someone listens to. A twelve year old girl hears a pussycat dolls song talking about how some guy she's with won't f**k her though she's trying very hard and is influenced by it. And BET is nothing but a softcore porn channel. You can put child locks on your television, but these images are still available on many entertainment magazines in the Supermarket. Whatever, I tend to write a lot in general but this idea that the parent's are always at fault is ridiculous and stupid. Who among us didnt hide some of the things we watched and did from our parents. I remeber I rented the South Park movie and watched it about ten times and my mom never knew a thing because I knew how to hide it. But I don't blame her for not knowing, and I'm not gonna say that the idea just popped in my head. I was influenced by television which was saying that it was a hilarious joyride of a movie and by friends who had seen it and talked about it constantly. I was directly influenced by media and society, if not for one of them I probably wouldn't have watched it to begin with. I probably wouldn't have cared.
Allright, I've written enough. My point is that the parents are not always at fault, though there are many instances where the parent is directly at fault. People are influenced by society and the media and choose to live this way. People could become better if they wanted to, but it is so much easier to live as a degenerate than as a normal, contributing member of society. Black people, White people, Asian, Spanish, and Indian people, I call for you to unite and dispose of these miscreants in the only way they deserve...

ELIMINATE THEM

It's not what you say but how you say it. A lot of the points you brought are things that I've been rambling about for years.

Viacomm perpetuates negative stereotypes through their media outlets (BET, MTV, VH1, recently, Comedy Central, etc).

Parents need to raise their children instead of doing a shitty job ob being half-assed providers.

Personal respsonsibility. Hiphop isn't all about what you see on TV and hear on the radio. However, thats what sells. Record companies exploit that and sell it to the ignorant masses. Just take Common's 'Be' versus Mikes Jones' 'Who Is Mike Jones?' It makes no sense why Common's album is placed on the backburner and ignored.

Whatever the case, we're beating a dead horse because people are stuck in their own misconceived ignorance. It would take a genocide to change things as quickly as they should.

*ponders going to the armory

[ReggieM]

i agree with brandon =D.

[mandilynne]

*sigh*

I don't know... I live in Schenectady area... it's the same old shit.. a whole neighbor hood full of homeless mixed minorities and white trash. It's not just back people.... it's white trash too. I do see what your talking about.

They recently had a documentary on Showtime about what a poor man would do with 100,000 dollars. They gave this random poor guy $100,000.00 cash. He cried and cried because he was so happy, but in the end he spent all of the money and ended up poor again. He was in the same position that he had started in.

This really showed me that some people just suck at managing their money. It's not anyones fault but their own. If I had 100,000.00 I would invest half of it, and become rich over the course of 20 years through the compound interest. This guy wasted all of his money.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversal_of_Fortune_(2005_film)

Sucks, but I really don't give a rats ass for people who are poor because they are unwise.

white trash is just as offensive as saying nigger or chink.

[*I Shot JFK*]

I understand but I still don't believe that tv or video games or whatever media is the cause for there actions. If anyone is to blame it's the parents for teaching them wrong, not teaching them at all or allowing them to go into the wrong things.

The problem with that is saying that you dont believe it to be 'The' cause... well, no. but it may be 'A' cause. There is more than one factor for everything, and while people may not watch The Matrix aor whatever and think 'imm go shoot some people now,' it may affect them subconciously. I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

[bat19]

white trash is just as offensive as saying nigger or chink.

Why? Why are any words deemed offensive? They're just words. Sticks and stones...you know the rest. If we're to ever rid ourselves of rascism, we have to stop being so f**kin sensitive to simple ignorant words. And what is deemed allowance to the seperate races? Here's my view and please correct me if I'm wrong:

Chinese and Indian - Cannot say anything, not even Towelhead or Chink

Caucasian - Are only allowed to say Honky, though I don't think white people are really disturbed by that word. Change it to slave owner or Aryans and you might get somewhere.

Spanish - Seeing as how there are two main types of Spanish people, I'll change this into subgroups.
Mexicans - Are allowed to say Spic to eachother, no one else. Thay also hate Puerto Ricans.
Puerto Ricans - Cannot say Spic, but for some reason can say Nigga. They also hate Mexicans.

African American - Can say anything under the sun without it being socially unacceptable. Can say Nigga, Honky, Chink, Towelhead, Spic, and anything else they can think of.

Michael Richards as some of you may know apparently "flipped out" on stage when he started saying nigger repeatedly. Now of course he was wrong in doing this. But then a man named Paul Mooney went on CNN and began to say how Michael Richards should be locked up and how it had offended him so much. This was a man that played the character Negrodamus on the Chappelle's Show, used the word nigger for almost every word in his standup special and made fun of his own people on a regular basis. Here is a small quote.

Arsenio Hall will have another show. It will be called "Good Morning Black America." It will air at noon throughout the country.

It didn't only stop at Black people. He makes fun of all the races. I would like to understand how this is acceptable for a Black man and not a White man. Even Carlos Mencia who does racial jokes of all races every episode is accepted, yet if someone like Dane Cook or Jim Gaffigan went on stage and did a joke about the blacks or the spanish, they'd be blackballed from every show they ever tried to do and would become social outcasts. It would be displayed all over the media until every person in America knows about it. I find this unacceptable. If you really want to end rascism, stop being so sensitive to stupid words and jokes. Laugh at how ignorant the person making them really is and try to show them how wrong they are on a daily basis. Do not fall into the stereotype, unless it's a positive stereotype like the person with glasses is smart or(and I mean no offense), the Jew is good with money. Well, that's all I have to say.

It's not what you say but how you say it. A lot of the points you brought are things that I've been rambling about for years.

Viacomm perpetuates negative stereotypes through their media outlets (BET, MTV, VH1, recently, Comedy Central, etc).

Parents need to raise their children instead of doing a shitty job ob being half-assed providers.

Personal respsonsibility. Hiphop isn't all about what you see on TV and hear on the radio. However, thats what sells. Record companies exploit that and sell it to the ignorant masses. Just take Common's 'Be' versus Mikes Jones' 'Who Is Mike Jones?' It makes no sense why Common's album is placed on the backburner and ignored.

Whatever the case, we're beating a dead horse because people are stuck in their own misconceived ignorance. It would take a genocide to change things as quickly as they should.

*ponders going to the armory

I agree with you dude. I should have stressed the fact that I was talking about gangster rap. Gangster rap and hip hop is different. There's a guy who makes a song saying how the drugs have ruined the neighborhood vs a guy who makes a song promoting drug use in the neighborhood. I am sick of gangster rap artists and shitty one thought rock groups who promote violence and drug use because they lack the talent to actually create something worthwhile and thought provoking. That's what I was getting at. I do believe that when a person, and it doesn't matter what race he is, listens to these kinds of songs, it influeces(though does not force) them to do drugs and react violently because they see it as acceptable. It is unfortunate for the parent who promotes this type of behavior, but the blame cannot always be put on the parent for not being attentive 100% of the time. People go to work, people have bills to pay, people cannot spend their entire day looking over their child's shoulder trying to see what they are doing because not only does it not work, but it creates a rebellious wanting in the child themselves. You cannot blame only the parents, but they contribute. You cannot blame only the media, though they contribute. You cannot blame only the society, though they contribute.
Imagine a 3 circle venn diagram with the circles being society, media, and upbringing, and the space they all occupy being the person. They all contribute to creating the whole, but cannot be individually held responsible for the actions a person commits. In the end, the person has to be held responsible for their actions, but that does not mean they were not influenced.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Jeremy, please dont double post. Use the edit or multi-quote features in future.

-Posts Merged

[krnxswat]

My culture's not a trend
Being Black is not in
So for you it's just a phase you'll just have to transcend

I couldn't be more proud of who I am, where I've come from and where I'm going. I'm not trying to be a gangsta, kid. When you're in my shoes, you realize how you're just talking out of your ass. You tell me I'm not a gangsta, well I'm not, although I have an M16A4 in arms reach and a 9mm in my side holster. You act as though you're tough as hell because you made a few points, failed to expand, babbled on, got mad when people didn't agree with you and then tried to direct focus elsewhere. Nice try, but you're talking to a combat veteran.

Dude. Will you just shut the f**k up for once about how hot-shot of a Marine you are, you egostistical, self-centered son of a bitch? Sure, it's cool and respectable, but it's not as respectable as those who are currently off in Iraq or some other countries risking their lives fighting for this country. What the f**k are you doing on cB, an online forum? Is that the only thing you have to brag about? Your Marine status, your f**king guns, and what else? How you slept with a woman and you don't remember jack shit from the previous night? Holy f**k. Good f**king job. Hope she had some f**king STD's or some shit.

[bat19]

Dude. Will you just shut the f**k up for once about how hot-shot of a Marine you are, you egostistical, self-centered son of a bitch? Sure, it's cool and respectable, but it's not as respectable as those who are currently off in Iraq or some other countries risking their lives fighting for this country. What the f**k are you doing on cB, an online forum? Is that the only thing you have to brag about? Your Marine status, your f**king guns, and what else? How you slept with a woman and you don't remember jack shit from the previous night? Holy f**k. Good f**king job. Hope she had some f**king STD's or some shit.

What the f**k are you doing back on? I thought you quit like a little bitch after we made fun of you and your girlfriend? You're an indecisive little bastard, arent you. I guess the Asian club at school didnt have what you were looking for, huh? oh well.

[*Uronacid*]

What the f**k are you doing back on? I thought you quit like a little bitch after we made fun of you and your girlfriend? You're an indecisive little bastard, arent you. I guess the Asian club at school didnt have what you were looking for, huh? oh well.

Omg, *sigh* XD....AZN pride!!!

[sweetangel2128]

Why? Why are any words deemed offensive? They're just words. Sticks and stones...you know the rest.

Why? Because your using those type of words to put people in catagories and it's hurtful because WERE ALL HUMAN. As for your saying, I've heard of it but have you heard of this one - "bones do break and words do break hearts" or something like that I saw it on the side of a church the other day, while I'm not a Christian I must agree with that saying 100% Words shouldn't be used because it's wrong and they are used to harm or hurt others and that's not right.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Seon Ho, Jeremy, cut it now. Josh, no need to comment on it.

[sweetangel2128]

The problem with that is saying that you dont believe it to be 'The' cause... well, no. but it may be 'A' cause. There is more than one factor for everything, and while people may not watch The Matrix aor whatever and think 'imm go shoot some people now,' it may affect them subconciously. I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

Well, look at the Columbine Shooting, in case you haven't heard of it they also believed that something influenced him such as tv or a video game to do what he did but to me I think they were wanting to just feel sorry for him because he was only like 15 years old and he seemed like a perfect kid but they also realized that the way things happend, it had to of been planned for a long time and he should be tried as an adult. So basically what I'm trying to say is that just because the media say it's the cause of his actions or one of the causes doesn't necessarily mean it to be true. I believe that if your old enough to know better such as a 15 year old or 30 year old stuff like that doesn't influence you to act upon it. You have your own mind and people CAN think for themselves. Now, if you grew up living with people that taught you to be that way then okay I understand but were talking about video games/movies promoting violence in general. If the person grew up on violence then okay but still when they get older most of the time they tend to steer away from that because they do have there own lives and there own brains...such as the columbine shooting the boy came from a good home, very loving friends and seemed happy but he snapped..they believed after it was all over and done with that his influence to kill was because of being bullied at school.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Well, look at the Columbine Shooting, in case you haven't heard of it they also believed that something influenced him such as tv or a video game to do what he did but to me I think they were wanting to just feel sorry for him because he was only like 15 years old and he seemed like a perfect kid but they also realized that the way things happend, it had to of been planned for a long time and he should be tried as an adult. So basically what I'm trying to say is that just because the media say it's the cause of his actions or one of the causes doesn't necessarily mean it to be true. I believe that if your old enough to know better such as a 15 year old or 30 year old stuff like that doesn't influence you to act upon it. You have your own mind and people CAN think for themselves. Now, if you grew up living with people that taught you to be that way then okay I understand but were talking about video games/movies promoting violence in general. If the person grew up on violence then okay but still when they get older most of the time they tend to steer away from that because they do have there own lives and there own brains...such as the columbine shooting the boy came from a good home, very loving friends and seemed happy but he snapped..they believed after it was all over and done with that his influence to kill was because of being bullied at school.

That was a mother of a run-on sentence, and please use paragraphs, because that was really hard to read.

Why would the fact that it was planned for a long time in advance negate the influence which the media may have had? and what does that have to do with being tried as an adult?

Well, no, it isn't necessarily true BECAUSE the media said it, but has it occured to you that media may have said it because it was true? I mean, all of what your saying is basically that you don't THINK it's the case, which is just fine and dandy, but really isn't much use to anyone, because it doesn't have any sort of foundation, and is frankly refuted by looking at case studies; again I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

You're over simplifying to extremes. Obviously the media isn't going to be a THE primary infuence in every case, but in some cases, it IS a factor. I mean, if violence is something you're exposed to, via the media, in your home, playing video games, or what have you, then that makes an impact. Almost everything a person does shapes them in some way, mainly subliminally. It may not be a direct cause of something someone does, but it will have helped shape them into the person they ultimately became, and the person who committed whatever hypothetical crime.

[*Uronacid*]

Seon Ho, Jeremy, cut it now. Josh, no need to comment on it.

Sorry about that, but I had to say something.. I felt kinda like Michael from The Office,"Errrmmmmm.... THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!"

You know, I agree with Jeremy... I think that you guys who disagree are all ignorant assholes. He's a prophet with a message, and if You are disagreeing with him then you are:

1. Just here to agrue anything even though you secretly agree with him
2. A nigger-spic-jew-towel-terrorist who listens to gangsta' rap.
3. An over-sensative piss-ant who takes everything too seriously.
4. Living in a hole far-far-away from all gangsta' rap.
5. Twelve years old and you have a misguided view of reality.

You don't know me!!! You don't know me!!! I got 187 problems, but a bitch ain't one to disagree!!

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ You did not HAVE to say anything whatsoever, and you didnt have to make that utterly ridiculous last post, which added absolutely zero to the thread.

Now, Rebecca has already stated that your next warning will put you on mod preview, and that last ppst didnt quite merit that, but STOP posting if you aren't going to add anything constructive. Next time will be mod preview.

[sweetangel2128]

That was a mother of a run-on sentence, and please use paragraphs, because that was really hard to read.

Well, no, it isn't necessarily true BECAUSE the media said it, but has it occured to you that media may have said it because it was true?

Sorry that it was so hard for you to read, I'll use paragraphs next time however I am not very good with that stuff lol.

Anyways....like I said when the shooting first happend, they believed a video game made him do it because they realized he was playing the game bofore the incident happend but when they sentenced him they realized from his meeting with a psyciatrist that in fact his reasoning was being bullied and he just cracked. Maybe in some cases the person is influenced by the video game or whatever but NOT always..other times it could be other reasons such as the columbine shooting being bulled or just being mentally screwed up in the head...some people dont have reasons for there actions...in the columbine shooting when they did an interview he said how sorry he was and started crying from what I heard when they asked why he did it he said - "i don't know" but when they asked if he was bullied in school he admitted to that.

[*I Shot JFK*]

What on Earth are you talking about? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shot themselves right after the Columbine massacre. When did they give this interview? While their brains were being mopped up?

[sweetangel2128]

What on Earth are you talking about? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shot themselves right after the Columbine massacre. When did they give this interview? While their brains were being mopped up?

Heres a better link:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...c/confesst.html

It's the Thursten High School shooting..sorry for the mix up.

[*Uronacid*]

Heres a better link:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...c/confesst.html

It's the Thursten High School shooting..sorry for the mix up.

Yeah, and who was he bullied by? Wait, who did this kid kill and injure?? He probably killed and injured a bunch of those gansta' rap listening jerks who were dicks to him day after day... Within the articles of the website you gave it does say he was bullied around...

Also, the articles you gave are stating that "violent" music definitely played a part in the shooting.

Oh, the whole thing about video games... ok, violent video games... Name a few of the violent video games out there that actually influence people to murder?

• Saints Row - Xbox 360
• Def Jam Vendettta - Xbox, PS2, GC
• The GTA series - Xbox, Xbox 360, PS2
• True Crimes: Steets of LA - Xbox, PS2, GC

All of these games influence people to murder and kill while listening to the hit singles of their favorite rap "artist". Even the most violent video games use this type of music/trash to influence murder. Many of them are full of racial slurrs too. It's this whole gangster life style peice of bulls shit that's being forced down the throats of American youth. It's not the games...

P.S: If you haven't yet read this... it's from my nigga dawg diggity da C-pilla':

Imagine a 3 circle venn diagram with the circles being society, media, and upbringing, and the space they all occupy being the person. They all contribute to creating the whole, but cannot be individually held responsible for the actions a person commits. In the end, the person has to be held responsible for their actions, but that does not mean they were not influenced.

[sweetangel2128]

Yeah, and who was he bullied by? Wait, who did this kid kill and injure?? He probably killed and injured a bunch of those gansta' rap listening jerks who were dicks to him day after day... Within the articles of the website you gave it does say he was bullied around...

If you read the link I gave you you wouldn't be asking who he killed. He killed several people at school including his parents (mom and dad)...his reasoning? He said he didn't know he just had to because there was no other way...he kept stating he's hearing voices in his head...ect...another game people were discussing that influences violence is DOOM.

Oh and I forgot to quote this part...but it never said in there that video games influences violent acts but it is a possibility...bad parenting, bullying and other things also influence it.

READ THE ARTICLE.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Heres a better link:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...c/confesst.html

It's the Thursten High School shooting..sorry for the mix up.

lol, no worries. i was just getting really confused

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Being black isn't an excuse for failing, since melanine excess hasn't been proved to be a cause for poverty. Other investigations have shown that educational, economic, social, material and political factors do have an impact on the individual's social development although a sensible use of common sense could have lead to a similar conclusion.

However, it doesn't seem like this topic's original intention was to debate anything but to make a "funny" (using the term as generously as I can, so bear with me); so to not fall off topic, I'll say "Lol, it's like the paint is drying."

[bat19]

^ You did not HAVE to say anything whatsoever, and you didnt have to make that utterly ridiculous last post, which added absolutely zero to the thread.

Now, Rebecca has already stated that your next warning will put you on mod preview, and that last ppst didnt quite merit that, but STOP posting if you aren't going to add anything constructive. Next time will be mod preview.

What gives you the right to put Josh's buisness all out for everyone else to see? How about you PM him instead of embarrasing him, I mean damn dude, learn some tact. If Josh feels he HAS to say something that's his buisness. It's people like you that abuse their power who make me sick to my stomach. You're like an ass hole gym teacher who tells the class out loud why the fat kid is failing. Stop being such a dick and keep people's buisness private.

[sweetangel2128]

What gives you the right to put Josh's buisness all out for everyone else to see? How about you PM him instead of embarrasing him, I mean damn dude, learn some tact. If Josh feels he HAS to say something that's his buisness. It's people like you that abuse their power who make me sick to my stomach. You're like an ass hole gym teacher who tells the class out loud why the fat kid is failing. Stop being such a dick and keep people's buisness private.

I kinda agree. I think if someone does something bad they should be informed in a private message not publicaly.

[*Uronacid*]

If you read the link I gave you you wouldn't be asking who he killed. He killed several people at school including his parents (mom and dad)...his reasoning? He said he didn't know he just had to because there was no other way...he kept stating he's hearing voices in his head...ect...another game people were discussing that influences violence is DOOM.

Oh and I forgot to quote this part...but it never said in there that video games influences violent acts but it is a possibility...bad parenting, bullying and other things also influence it.

READ THE ARTICLE.

I should have gotten rid of the part about "Who did he kill"... by the way, the article only says:
He killed:

• His Parents
• 2 Kids at School

He injured:

• 25 people in the school

I read it and know who was killed, I guess what I'm saying is...

• Were those kids that "bullied" him and pushed him to the edge gangsta' pricks?
• Do you really think video games like DOOM did it?

If they were blaming it on games like GTA or True Crimes: Streets of LA then I might be inclined to agree with you. These games allow for the user to partake in mindless virtual serial killing "fun" while listening to their favorite gangsta' rap and racial slurs from nigger to spic. RockStar's new game Bully actually occurs in a school a school setting. If you were talking about these games I might agree with you..
Doom is:

• Not about senseless murdering. Its about killing demons from hell, not civilians.
• Extremely unrealistic (Guns, Gore, etc...)

Anyways, video games aren't the what we're talking about here... I think you should create a topic for this though. It might be an interesting debate.

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Here's an interesting study I found about gangsta' rap: Does Rap Music Put Teens at Risk?

Hypothesis:
Teens who spend more time watching the sex and violence depicted in the "reel" life of "gangsta" rap music videos are more likely to practice these behaviors in real life.

Experiment:
Take 522 teenage black females from some less fortunate neighborhoods and compare behaviors of the ones who listened to gangsta' rap often with the ones who rarely listen to gangsa' rap for one full year.

Conclusion:

• Three times more likely to hit a teacher
  
• Over 2.5 times more likely to get arrested
  
• Twice as likely to have multiple sexual partners
  
• 1.5 times more likely to get a sexually transmitted disease, use drugs, or drink alcohol.

Just more evidence that suggests rap music is f**king up American youth... *sigh*

P.S. Thanks for sticking up for me guys... Health21, you should consider joining The Unholy Trinity. :]

[sweetangel2128]

I should have gotten rid of the part about "Who did he kill"... by the way, the article only says:
He killed:

• His Parents
• 2 Kids at School

He injured:

• 25 people in the school

I read it and know who was killed, I guess what I'm saying is...

• Were those kids that "bullied" him and pushed him to the edge gangsta' pricks?
• Do you really think video games like DOOM did it?

If they were blaming it on games like GTA or True Crimes: Streets of LA then I might be inclined to agree with you. These games allow for the user to partake in mindless virtual serial killing "fun" while listening to their favorite gangsta' rap and racial slurs from nigger to spic. RockStar's new game Bully actually occurs in a school a school setting. If you were talking about these games I might agree with you..
Doom is:

• Not about senseless murdering. Its about killing demons from hell, not civilians.
• Extremely unrealistic (Guns, Gore, etc...)

Anyways, video games aren't the what we're talking about here... I think you should create a topic for this though. It might be an interesting debate.

---------------------------------------

Here's an interesting study I found about gangsta' rap: Does Rap Music Put Teens at Risk?

Hypothesis:
Teens who spend more time watching the sex and violence depicted in the "reel" life of "gangsta" rap music videos are more likely to practice these behaviors in real life.

Experiment:
Take 522 teenage black females from some less fortunate neighborhoods and compare behaviors of the ones who listened to gangsta' rap often with the ones who rarely listen to gangsa' rap for one full year.

Conclusion:

• Three times more likely to hit a teacher
  
• Over 2.5 times more likely to get arrested
  
• Twice as likely to have multiple sexual partners
  
• 1.5 times more likely to get a sexually transmitted disease, use drugs, or drink alcohol.

Just more evidence that suggests rap music is f**king up American youth... *sigh*

P.S. Thanks for sticking up for me guys... Health21, you should consider joining The Unholy Trinity. :]

I don't think they know why he did what he did, since he kept saying - "I don't know" me personally, I don't think it was video games that influenced him I think he was just screwed up in the head or he really was bullied...depression could be another result since depression affects so many people world-wide and different people react differently to it. who knows.

If you've read my other posts you would know I'm one of the few people that was stating that doesn't believe video games or movies promote violence...I don't...I think every person has there own brain and how they react to things, they know right from wrong...ect..

He may have only killed 2 kids and injured quite a few but it's still violence and it was still committed and if I remember correctly he also got like 111 years in prison or something like that for what he did.

What is the un-holy trinity?

[bat19]

KC and Brandon

Okay, I had this post typed up..but I'm going to take a deep breath and try again later.

ooo...I guess we'll have to hold our breath too. I wonder what you'll post about. Well I'll give a little preview.

If you're not black, you're a rascist!!!"

Seriously, Black people have every reason to be proud of being black, and every reason to be ashamed. Its the same for all races. So stop trying to say anyone who talks negatively about people are rascists and ignorant, they're voicing their opinion based on the info available to them. True, there are lots of people who are for whatever reason unjustly biased against blacks or whites or spanish. But these ignorant dumbasses can't use computers(they're too stupid) so stop trying to make the people here feel guilty for your own misgivings about society.

[*Uronacid*]

ooo...I guess we'll have to hold our breath too. I wonder what you'll post about. Well I'll give a little preview.

Seriously, Black people have every reason to be proud of being black, and every reason to be ashamed. Its the same for all races. So stop trying to say anyone who talks negatively about people are rascists and ignorant, they're voicing their opinion based on the info available to them. True, there are lots of people who are for whatever reason unjustly biased against blacks or whites or spanish. But these ignorant dumbasses can't use computers(they're too stupid) so stop trying to make the people here feel guilty for your own misgivings about society.

Haha, while that was pretty funny... xD you know she's not going to say that now... :p

[*Uronacid*]

I don't think they know why he did what he did, since he kept saying - "I don't know" me personally, I don't think it was video games that influenced him I think he was just screwed up in the head or he really was bullied...depression could be another result since depression affects so many people world-wide and different people react differently to it. who knows.

If you've read my other posts you would know I'm one of the few people that was stating that doesn't believe video games or movies promote violence...I don't...I think every person has there own brain and how they react to things, they know right from wrong...ect..

He may have only killed 2 kids and injured quite a few but it's still violence and it was still committed and if I remember correctly he also got like 111 years in prison or something like that for what he did.

What is the un-holy trinity?

Right, I completely agree with you... ;P

Erf... alright, well I guess I haven't read very many of your posts, and seeing as how aggressive this topic is getting it's really easy to make quick judgments. I do agree with everything you said though. :p

Well, I think they should have executed him instead of wasting my tax dollars to keep him alive. That's an entirely different issue though... XD

I sent you a PM

[*Intercourse.*]

Awe Suzzette, when it comes to the whatever c-pillar just ignore him..

[*Podomaht*]

farted

[sweetangel2128]

Right, I completely agree with you... ;P

Erf... alright, well I guess I haven't read very many of your posts, and seeing as how aggressive this topic is getting it's really easy to make quick judgments. I do agree with everything you said though. :p

Well, I think they should have executed him instead of wasting my tax dollars to keep him alive. That's an entirely different issue though... XD

I sent you a PM

Thank you. got your pm =] Anyways...I don't believe they should of executed him because he was so young but I do think he needs counceling.

[*I Shot JFK*]

What gives you the right to put Josh's buisness all out for everyone else to see? How about you PM him instead of embarrasing him, I mean damn dude, learn some tact. If Josh feels he HAS to say something that's his buisness. It's people like you that abuse their power who make me sick to my stomach. You're like an ass hole gym teacher who tells the class out loud why the fat kid is failing. Stop being such a dick and keep people's buisness private.

It is moderator policy to point things out in threads. And as he had specifically addressed a reply to me, I addressed one to him. Furthermore, it serves to demonstrate to other members what is and what isn't considered to be within the Community Guidelines. But given that you're so keen for everything to be done 'appropriately', or what have you, take any future complaints to the moderator performance thread. And please do explain there how exactly you think I'm abusing my powers. End of discussion in this venue, as far as I'm concerned.

[bat19]

Awe Suzzette, when it comes to the whatever c-pillar just ignore him..

<shocked>
I am shocked


...shocked...it's just shocking...

Sorry that it was so hard for you to read, I'll use paragraphs next time however I am not very good with that stuff lol.

Heath21, don't apologize for the way you write dude. Do what comes natural, make it hard for that moronic jagoff.

[sweetangel2128]

Heath21, don't apologize for the way you write dude. Do what comes natural, make it hard for that moronic jagoff.

haha thanks

[*I Shot JFK*]

<shocked>
I am shocked


...shocked...it's just shocking...
Heath21, don't apologize for the way you write dude. Do what comes natural, make it hard for that moronic jagoff.

Charming. You know full well that member bashing is against the rules. Your warning level will be raised, and the next offense will put you on mod preview.

[fameONE]

If anyone actually buys into the notion that Black people are lazy, or that hiphop is the source of all suburban crimes, then think, "How many Black people do I really know?"

[Simba]

Now, I haven't really gotten into this debate much, but as for "Black people are lazy," off the top of my head I can think of Tupac Shakur who was known as a workaholic. Supposedly, all the work and recordings he did while he was alive is why he's still selling records today.

[*Uronacid*]

If anyone actually buys into the notion that Black people are lazy, or that hiphop is the source of all suburban crimes, then think, "How many Black people do I really know?"

Alright, this conversation isn't about black people... it's not about races. It's about the bullshit brought about by this gangsta' stereo type... The statement "Being Back is No Excuse for Failure" is not racist at all. It's true, and if it's anything it's definitely not racist. It's encouraging. We believe black people can do anything, and that being black is no excuse for failure.

Also, who stated that hiphop is the source of all suburban crimes? We are stating that gangsta' rap encourages crime, but we do not think that it's the source.

P.S: If you haven't yet read this... it's from my nigga dawg diggity da C-pilla':

Imagine a 3 circle venn diagram with the circles being society, media, and upbringing, and the space they all occupy being the person. They all contribute to creating the whole, but cannot be individually held responsible for the actions a person commits. In the end, the person has to be held responsible for their actions, but that does not mean they were not influenced.

Now, I haven't really gotten into this debate much, but as for "Black people are lazy," off the top of my head I can think of Tupac Shakur who was known as a workaholic. Supposedly, all the work and recordings he did while he was alive is why he's still selling records today.

Yeah, he did do a lot of work, but did he encourage the masses to work hard? Wait, did he encourage people to work hard, or did he encourage people to live the pimped out gangsta' life style...

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

If anything, contemporary capilatistic western societies don't allow everybody to succeed in practice despite theory may suggest otherwise.

[sweetangel2128]

Charming. You know full well that member bashing is against the rules. Your warning level will be raised, and the next offense will put you on mod preview.

If member bashing isn't allowed I can point out several others that have disrespected me and called me a Moron and Homo several times. How come there not being sought out?

[Simba]

Yeah, he did do a lot of work, but did he encourage the masses to work hard? Wait, did he encourage people to work hard, or did he encourage people to live the pimped out gangsta' life style...

Yeah, so Tupac may not necessarily be the perfect role model. However, he was still very influential and charismatic; the people listened to him. The point is, he gained the reputation of being called " the rose that grew from concrete," basically showing people that there can still be success even if you grow up in the streets with no father and very little luxury.

The stereotype is because of the association with Black people that lingers. In America, they have gone from the very bottom of social classes, as slaves. Slavery was of course, then abolished, and most everyone was set free. However, there were still negative associations made with Black people at the time, and thus segregation and all of that.

Many were living in poverty, and even though the races are much more equal today, the fact that those who were in poverty were in poverty wasn't necessarily going to change. The equality just opened the door for everyone to have a chance at success.

Of course, it's completely the person's choice to walk through the door or not. It's not like there haven't been people who haven't though. There's the CEO of American Express, Oprah, Barrack Obama, etcetera.

Some people just don't have the motivation to get out of the streets, but I know there are plenty of kids out there with dreams and enough motivation to be a super hero, but I've got to say, it doesn't look easy to come out of poverty, and I guess some people either get very desperate (crime, id est, pushing drugs, stealing...) or just don't see it possible for them to make it.

[bat19]

If member bashing isn't allowed I can point out several others that have disrespected me and called me a Moron and Homo several times. How come there not being sought out?

Because they didnt call that moronic jagoff a moronic jagoff. I posted something much worse in the Sandbox Unholy Trinity post, 9th page. I'm actually suprised that its the "jagoff" line that pissed him off.

If anyone actually buys into the notion that Black people are lazy, or that hiphop is the source of all suburban crimes, then think, "How many Black people do I really know?"

Well, if I include you and Brownsugar, 1 black person. The question is which of you is black and which of you is white? I'm gonna go with you Brandon. Brownsugar just comes off as white.

Now, I haven't really gotten into this debate much, but as for "Black people are lazy," off the top of my head I can think of Tupac Shakur who was known as a workaholic. Supposedly, all the work and recordings he did while he was alive is why he's still selling records today.

Well the reason that Tupac is still selling records is because his mom is a moneygrubbing whore. Tupac is a prime example of one of these ghetto assholes. He's singing about how it's time for some changes, yet in real life he assaults directors and rapes woman. Some hardworking role model.

P.S. He was shot 9 times too, but he died. I guess 50 cent needs one more bullet to finish the job. The next a-hole gangster will need 11 shots, then 12, and so on until the rapper Swi$$ Cheeze hits it big.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

I don't think there's such a direct relation between a social problem (gang violence) and a music style that appeared after said gang violence originated. It's as incongruous as putting the balme for all the speeding traffic accidents occured since the 1980's on Heavy Metal goons singing about speeding on their vehicle of choice.

So far, all it seems is that some people in here don't like hip hop culture. Which is fine. For another topic.

[*Uronacid*]

I don't think there's such a direct relation between a social problem (gang violence) and a music style that appeared after said gang violence originated. It's as incongruous as putting the balme for all the speeding traffic accidents occured since the 1980's on Heavy Metal goons singing about speeding on their vehicle of choice.

So far, all it seems is that some people in here don't like hip hop culture. Which is fine. For another topic.

Wow, like we have said... over and over again...

Imagine a 3 circle venn diagram with the circles being society, media, and upbringing, and the space they all occupy being the person. They all contribute to creating the whole, but cannot be individually held responsible for the actions a person commits. In the end, the person has to be held responsible for their actions, but that does not mean they were not influenced.

We aren't blaming it all on the music, although... music plays a huge part in the gangsta' life style... these days the lyrics found in gangsta rap are almost like a template for what gangsta' should be or have. These ignorant muthers will actually buy into it. I'm not just talking about black people either... every f**kin race has their gangsta crew. I hate em all.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Gang related violence occured BEFORE the "gansgta" culture as it's being understood in this thread was born. The three circle verbatim thing is for the chronologically challenged, since Causation laws disprove it.

[magicfann]

^ You did not HAVE to say anything whatsoever, and you didnt have to make that utterly ridiculous last post, which added absolutely zero to the thread.

Now, Rebecca has already stated that your next warning will put you on mod preview, and that last ppst didnt quite merit that, but STOP posting if you aren't going to add anything constructive. Next time will be mod preview.

oh yes because mod preview is such a scary thing~ you have such a big epeen

[Joss-eh-lime]

You really need to get out more.

In America there is a large variety of "ghettos"
In Kansas the poor parts of town probably consist of whites
In Cali you'll see hispanics, and blacks
And in parts of LA you will find other races.

I really disagree with the idea that any race is lazier, less able to succeed than another.

[Kontroll]

You really need to get out more.

In America there is a large variety of "ghettos"
In Kansas the poor parts of town probably consist of whites
In Cali you'll see hispanics, and blacks
And in parts of LA you will find other races.

I really disagree with the idea that any race is lazier, less able to succeed than another.

Well, I agree with you. The topic of this thread was not to say that they are lazier, it was that they stereo-type themselves and from that information they've been fed, base their lives around it.