Clubs Options

[*Sephora.*]

[Sorry if there's already a topic about this]

I think that there should be a category called "Clubs" in the Interests section. I think it would be easier to find club topics, and for all the clubs to be ordered in a section instead of scattered all around the forums. It's fine the way it is, but I think it would be more easier and organized to make a section for clubs.

Any thoughts about it?

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Yeah i was thinking the same thing.
it be so much easier and proably reduce the amount of "lost" clubs throught the forum.

the only issue is is there enough room on here to do that?

[iDecay]

the only issue is is there enough room on here to do that?

That is definately not the issue.

I just don't really see a point in having an extra place for clubs.

[*Intercourse.*]

Didn't I say something in the unholy trinity thread about this before this topic?

They already answered, there isn't enough clubs to make this and a lot of the clubs fit in the places they are aparently. Its been discussed backstage in the past before as well. I remember.

[*My Cinderella.*]

Yeah, I brought that up in the other topic. But as Holly said, all the other clubs fit into their correct categories and the only ones that are left are Zamunda and the Unholy Trinity.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Didn't I say something in the unholy trinity thread about this before this topic?

They already answered, there isn't enough clubs to make this and a lot of the clubs fit in the places they are aparently. Its been discussed backstage in the past before as well. I remember.

Well there arent many contests and they are in their own category?
I dont know
I see what you all mean though about them fitting in their places.

[Intercourselyts]

oops wrong name

[*Intercourse.*]

Haha, I love the way you think Diana.

I mean yea your right, there aren't very many contests I think theres about as many clubs as there are contests and if you think about it. Maybe more things will happen with the clubs if they were all in one place. Also I don't really think the Unholy Trinity is really a chit chat topic because really they are doing something more than just have a thread sitting there. They actually make their members do something if they want to be on a new position that benefits the community unlike all the other clubs that are just wasting thread space in a way.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^The last few pages of the Unholy Trinity Thread were talking about tomatoes and chocolate milk...

Anyway, the decision not to move other clubs was based on the idea that they were more forum specific, as Jane said. There aren't really enough non-forum related clubs to merit a seperate interest forum, although a possible subforum of the Sandbox is being debated.

And I keep thinking that Holly is Kiera, which is really off-putting

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Haha, I love the way you think Diana.

I mean yea your right, there aren't very many contests I think theres about as many clubs as there are contests and if you think about it. Maybe more things will happen with the clubs if they were all in one place. Also I don't really think the Unholy Trinity is really a chit chat topic because really they are doing something more than just have a thread sitting there. They actually make their members do something if they want to be on a new position that benefits the community unlike all the other clubs that are just wasting thread space in a way.

Im just saying it be so much easier to look in one whole category. And i think that it would greatly reduce the amount of dead clubs and lost clubs.

Especialy clubs that are ethnicity based one of them is in entertainment and one is the the lounge. It would be much easier to look in one place.

The last few pages of the Unholy Trinity Thread were talking about tomatoes and chocolate milk...

And about the unholy trinity. I am with holly on why it shouldent be in the sandbox. Because it truely isnt all chit chat as its been accused of.The unholy trinity requires you to do things and post ideas before you can join or advance in the ranks. Even though we are at a bad start we are slowly adjusting the rules and requirements to join to insure we arent like other clubs where they just have people sign up and they never return or do anything constructive.
We are still working on the idea of the unholy trinity now requiring new members to post 6 topics in the feedback forum of ideas that could help the community out in order to advance to another rank.

We are still trying to adjust the thread so that its not seen as just "chit chat". but apparently the thread hasnt been given the chance to do so seeing as it was thrown into the sandbox and now people wont be able to see it becasue not many serious members go into the sandbox.

[*I Shot JFK*]

The general CB policy is to keep subforms to a minimum, although it would make it easier to keep them out of the way. The race/ethnicity clubs that you mentioned are really the only ones that any staff could think of off the tops of our heads that weren't already somewhere that made specific sense. And those few topics realy don't justify a sub-forum.

And I understand that the Unholy Trinity thread requires things of it's members, and things like Feedback posts are just dandy, but it doesn't give any particular reason for the thread itself has any real weight to it. look at it now, and it's still all about chocolate milk and chemistry, so unless you're proposing that we move it to Food or School, then it's fine where it is. If you're getting members to make threads, then those threads will go where they need to be, too.

At the end of the day, we're still formulating a clear policy on this, so sit tight, becuase nothing is moving immediately.

*edit*

Oh, you editted. The thread was given a chance. all of the tomato talk was before it was moved. And the mod discussion regarding it being moved was specifically relatde to that thread as well as the Zamunda tribe. we took the club's aim into full account. It isn't about people being targetted, whatever you guys may think, it's simply a matter of keeping things where they need to be.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

^As i stated earlier. we still are in development to make it better and to trying to elliminate the spam topics that are currently going on in that thread.

But its the part about it being not seen by people that still irks us.we can take this to PM to discuss this rather than take up space in here to talk about this if thats all right with you James.

[*Intercourse.*]

Ehm no I'm not kiera belive me. The icons and stuff aren't even similar if thats what made you think that.

-cheers- Go Diana. Really I think you guys should have given the unholy trinity a few days or so in the lounge to see if it could be turned around into what it should be. I mean the Zamanda or how ever it is spelt was in there for quite some time and it was never moved when even staff would go in it and bluntly see that there was plenty of spam. I mean were all human and all and we can make mistakes but I think we should atleast be equal in this decision making and also not just move their topic because I know quite a few of you can't stand Josh and his friends.

[*I Shot JFK*]

The whole point of the Feedback Forum is that discussion and decision-making can take place where people can see it, so there's no problem with taking up space. That's what it is for.

Well, if you're still in development to reduce spam, which really shouldn't be that hard, then come talk to us when it's done. And you have sigs to advertise with, and you can ivite members who you know. If peope want to see it, it will be seen, so I wouldn't worry about that. And if you're successful in your mission or what have you, then i'm sure people will take notice of you.

but the fact remains that AT THE MOMENT, the thread is full of chit-chat, and so AT THE MOMENT, it is staying in the Sandbox.

Although actually having thought about it, given what your mission seems to be about, then the whol ething is more Feedback than Lounge realted than anything else, in trying to make the site a better place, and in that case, individual threads are more useful anyway. But even so, the thread belongs in the Sandbox for now.

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holly, I know that you ARENT kiera, im not stupid... and at first glance, they are similar, lol.

The thread was given a few days, and the decison was made as a result of content, not the people who made it. It isn't a question of anyone disliking Josh, we're all professional enough to act objectively as far as that is concerned. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other about him, I would have moved that thread whoever had made it, given the mod discussion that had take place. It was a GROUP discussion. Everyone is equal in that everyone has the opportunity to create a thread which is appropriate for the Lounge, which the UT thread currently is not.

As far as the Zamunda tribe is concerned, the UT thread sparked the discussion, and Zamunda got drawn into it, ad Zamunda was moved as well, so that is really a non-issue.

Like I said, come back when the UT thread is appropriate for the lounge.

[*Intercourse.*]

Ah whatever, I honestly would want to hear from a different staff member.

Anyway I'm off, I'm going somewhere else if you have something to say to me for the time being I suppose you can PM me.

[*I Shot JFK*]

That's your prerogative, but I think you're being childish and assuming that there's some sort of personal battle going on here. If there was, presumably I would know about it?

And as I said, I don't see the point in takin git to PM, because there is nothing personal in it.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Ah whatever, I honestly would want to hear from a different staff member.

Yes please.
I like james i think you are a great person and a mod however I along with Holly get a strong sense of bias between you and Josh. And we arent saying that its a all out war torwards josh. As much as i agree with your points another staff member should review what we have had to say. Nothing personal as i also am trying to be professional about this.

Well, if you're still in development to reduce spam, which really shouldn't be that hard, then come talk to us when it's done. And you have sigs to advertise with, and you can ivite members who you know. If peope want to see it, it will be seen, so I wouldn't worry about that. And if you're successful in your mission or what have you, then i'm sure people will take notice of you.

Excuse me. but me unlike you dont have mod powers to enforce non spam in our thread.I constantly have had to PM or remind people in the thread to cut the crap out with the randomness.Its harder for me becasue i dont have power to enforce it like you would.nor do we have suport from a moderator to enforce it. We basicly are on our own it feels like. Yes i have contributed to the spam in it i admit. but i have constantly made statements trying to discuss ways to make this place [cB] more inviting to new members besides the layouts.
So pardon my french but dont f**king tell me its easy. becasue its not to me.

[*mona lisa*]

Ok, I just saw that Diana posted before me. Pardon me if my arguments seem off. =\

The Unholy Trinity was given a chance. Yet, since page 4, there has been a lot of spam. And Diana, you say that you're trying to eliminate all the spam going on in that thread, yet you are (and have been) participating in the spam discussion? (Don't take this personally, I'm only inquiring. :))

Although actually having thought about it, given what your mission seems to be about, then the whol ething is more Feedback than Lounge realted than anything else, in trying to make the site a better place, and in that case, individual threads are more useful anyway. But even so, the thread belongs in the Sandbox for now.

I agree with this paragraph. A lot. If you are trying to improve cB by making members contribute (in Feedback), then the thread would be more appropriate in Feedback; a "club" wouldn't be as helpful as a unique thread where discussion can be carried out. As well, the arguments/ideas wouldn't be "lost" in the sea of posts in the Unholy Trinity thread.

P.S. I don't see bias in James' arguments.

This post has been edited by mona lisa: Jan 28 2007, 01:57 PM

[*Intercourse.*]

Don't call your fellow members childish, please.

Also the club isn't only making people contribute to feedback only. You have to contribute to different tasks to level up. Diana is right, its easier for mods to tell people to stop spamming then it is for a member to just PM someone and say can you cut it off.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Lol. Ok. But frankly, I don't care about Josh one way or the other. The fact that he created the thread is really pretty meaningless.

Well, that was melodramtic, but really, if you give people a direction and a topic, they ought to focus on it more or less without supervision. The vast majority of threads on Cb don't require moderator supervision day-to-day. If it really IS such a struggle to keep things going the way you want in that thread, then maybe it doesn't have enough clear direction, which is all the more reason for it to stay in the Sandbox until it develops a clear focus that will keep people on track.

*edit*

Holly, then with all due respect, please don't use childish arguments about bias.

I understand that the task won't jus tbe in Feedback, but if they involve creating threads, then the individual threads can go to individual forums, where they fit, and the base club can stay in the Sandbox, where it fits.

[*Intercourse.*]

James we already know your opinion you can quit now, thanks.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

And Diana, you say that you're trying to eliminate all the spam going on in that thread, yet you are (and have been) participating in the spam discussion? (Don't take this personally, I'm only inquiring. :))

Yes. i know i admit ive been dumb and contributed to it. i know i even said so in a earlier post.But Its the part of trying to get people to listen when I dont have any power to actualy punish people who continue to spam even after i said something about it and kinda they look over it because i made a "long post".

People need to understand that jsut becasue Josh is in charge of the thread along with some of his friends who happen to have a history of being stupid on here. that the thread does mean buissness and that its not a oppertuinity to say what ever you want because thats not the free speech we are talking about.

and it makes that even harder when its in the sandbox. thats all im saying.

[*I Shot JFK*]

If the topic develops, then so will my opinion. That is what the thread is for. I'm not going to bicker with you, Holly, because it isn't helpful or interesting. But I will continue to reply to posts in this thread.

Let that be an end to any personal matters in this thread. anything which IS strictly personal can go to PM. End Of.

*edit*

Oh drat, this is moving quickly.

Diana, please stop trying to make this relevant to who made the topic, because that really ISN'T what this is about. We DO understand what the thread is trying to do. Honestly. But RIGHT NOW, in this moment, it is chit-chat ridden, and belongs in the Sandbox.

I can totally appreciate that it is hard to keep members in line, and I sympathise with that. But, to be honest, that just makes it seem to me like a single Club Thread just isn't the best way of going about things... The thread meaning business and actually being able to achieve business are two different things

[*a painefull euphoria*]

I can totally appreciate that it is hard to keep members in line, and I sympathise with that. But, to be honest, that just makes it seem to me like a single Club Thread just isn't the best way of going about things... The thread meaning business and actually being able to achieve business are two different things

well lets see how it goes from here. i made a post in the thread to make a final atempt to end the spam.

And i really hope i didnt come off a mod wannabe/loser

[HakunaMatata]

So going back to the origin of the topic:

Well there arent many contests and they are in their own category?
I dont know
I see what you all mean though about them fitting in their places.

There are twelve contests compared to the two that were moved to the Sandbox, so there is a good enough number of contests. However, that forum was created for the chief reason of having a way of organizing the voting threads and having a single place for everyone to find out what all of the Contests were. Knowing that, I wouldn't mind having a thread like the Current Contests thread in which each club has their own link and post describing their club.

[hi-C]

Especialy clubs that are ethnicity based one of them is in entertainment and one is the the lounge. It would be much easier to look in one place.

To be fair to the "ethnicity" clubs, the one in entertainment - the Chinese club, right? - is to discuss Asian celebrities. The one in the lounge I have no clue about, because, honestly, I've never looked.

James we already know your opinion you can quit now, thanks.

James has every right to state his opinion. Why try to stifle the opinion of others just because you don't agree? Also, James has given accurately the current opinions of the moderating team, as discussed backstage.

[*Intercourse.*]

well cheers to him.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

well cheers to him.

lmao. ILY.

[hi-C]

well cheers to him.

Honestly, was that called for?

[*Intercourse.*]

No it wasn't but its said and over with now.

[chibichi15]

geez! wuts up with all the tension in this topic! so much angst...lol. well, everyone can say their opinion. but, let's not get too carried away that it gets into too much of a meaningless argument.

Knowing that, I wouldn't mind having a thread like the Current Contests thread in which each club has their own link and post describing their club.

that sounds like a good idea to me.

[*Uronacid*]

So going back to the origin of the topic:

There are twelve contests compared to the two that were moved to the Sandbox, so there is a good enough number of contests. However, that forum was created for the chief reason of having a way of organizing the voting threads and having a single place for everyone to find out what all of the Contests were. Knowing that, I wouldn't mind having a thread like the Current Contests thread in which each club has their own link and post describing their club.

I think this is a great Idea. I think it's awesome considering the number of clubs available on CB. there are far more clubs than contests on CB. Why shouldn't there be a club thread. I think it would encourage people to contribute to the community. Joining clubs makes people feel like they are apart of the site.

[bat19]

This is an edited down version of a post I made in Interests - The Sandbox - The Unholy Trinity(Official Thread) - Page Six on a suggestion made by xmysticshadowsx who brought this topic to my attention. I wrote this to question why in fact we were moved and my opinion about us being moved.

...I'd like to first comment on the move to the Sandbox:
I'd like to understand what exactly we were moved for? We came from The Lounge which is a highly trafficked and popular grouping to the Sandbox which you need a map and compass to find if you havent accidentally come across it before. The crime that was committed was being off-topic. But that is exactly why we posted in The Lounge in the first place. The headline of The Lounge states "Have a laugh, make new friends. Anything off-topic." Hmmm...? So you're punishing us by moving our perfectly innocent thread for doing exactly what is described? What sense does that make exactly? And I'm sure you(By you I mean IShotJFK you friggin hypocrite) will try to justify this move by saying the Sandbox is more appropriate for what this thread is about. Well I say either put us back where we were in The Lounge or change the headline to read "Have a laugh, make new friends, But Keep Your Ass On Topic Or We Will Castrate You!!!" I also noticed you conveniently moved Zamunda as well. I'm guessing that was to show no bias whatsoever. If you've got a problem with us then punish us. What'd they ever do to you? Not only are you pissing them off but you're alienating us and creating unwanted and unneccessary tension between our two groups. So stop abusing your power, take your problems up with us, and grow a pair goddamnit...

I would appreciate either an immediate return to the Lounge or an explanation why we were moved that has some form of logic to it.

[*Intercourse.*]

I have to admit I really like the way you think Jeremy

[*a painefull euphoria*]

^i second that.

[*Uronacid*]

I 3rd that.... does anyone want to fourth it... I mean, this is the reason we were given... O_o

Josh, grow up.

I'm not going to close the thread, but it is going to be moved to the sandbox. This is basically chit-chat.

-Topic Moved-

The reason I thought our topic was moved to the dark corners of CB:

• James has a personal grudge.
• I have to "grow up". (P.S. you can read my reply to that statement here)
• We were talking to much in the "lounge", a place where poeple are supposedly supposed to talk about "bull-shit".
  

  Definitions of lounge on the Web:

  • sit or recline comfortably; "He was lounging on the sofa"
    
  • sofa: an upholstered seat for more than one person
    
  • a room (as in a hotel or airport) with seating where people can wait
    
  • loiter: be about
    
  • This is a room for rest and relaxation. It typically has upholstered furniture, draperies, and carpeting and may

Hmm... I have some feedback... I think we should call the Lounge... "Study Hall"

Teacher: You guys are talking way to loud, and if you don't quiet down I'm going to send you to the Principals office (a.k.a. the sandbox/trap).

[multifaceted]

I fourth that.

And I state again, the club's purpose is to promote the activity here at cB. By moving our thread to the Sandbox, it seems that the staff relates the idea of promoting the site to spam, which I remind you stands for Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages.

If the staff is so against the promotion of their own site, I suggest that they step down from their positions and allow those who do agree to step up to the plate and guide this site the way Jusun intended it to be.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I'm not going to mince words here.

Please, refrain from blaming James exlusively for the decision to move a topic to the Sandbox.

If you want to blame anyone, blame me. It was my suggestion to actually move all the clubs to the Sandbox because, ultimately, they are chit chat threads.

Actually, I wanted a Club Subforum with post counts disabled.

This came up when I was taking (A LOT) of time to read through Club threads and found that although some had substance, most had nearly 10-15% (rough, rough estimate) good posts and the rest were either self congratulatory posts, salutations ("hi!" type of posts) and good old fashioned AIM-type banter. I am not referring to one Club either, I am referring to many.

I'm just saying, before you pass judgement on one moderator, ask how that decision was made. James doesn't have a personal grudge against anyone. He has been completely professional and objective on Staff, besides his personal feelings. There's a difference.

I have PM'd both Josh and Diana regarding the potential spam in the unholy club. I particularly asked Josh if he could try to keep it in check. Josh, I apologize, but:

O_o

I had no idea...

man, I really don't want prostate cancer... I should eat tomatoes... maybe our first team missions should encourage members to eat tomatoes... a healthy team is a good team :]

But I thought you were an atheist... who are you going to pray to? Pray to me... Please. :D

:O!!!!!!!!!!!! *shine* PHIL COLLINS!!! ZOMG, he is.... I LOVE HIM... *googley eyes*

Phil Collins wrote:

• Another Day in Paradise
• True Colors
• You Can't Hurry Love
• Two Hearts
• Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)
• Something Happened on the Way to Heaven
• Separate Lives
• Bad Touch - Oops not that song >.>
• Dance into the Light
• In the Air Tonight
• Take Me Home
• Captain Planet's Theme Song

He's so amazing... I personally see him as a legend. We should thank him for being alive by having a club holiday dedicated to him.

You didn't exactly seem to be trying to even set a good example. The only one who has been trying and making a real constant effort is Diana, particularly after we PM'd eachother (which she did with much grace, although does have a penchant for one-liners at times ;-)).

After reading through the last few pages of that club, I am 100% behind James' decision to move the club to The Sandbox.

And you know I have no personal bias against any of you. At least, I hope you guys know that.

[hi-C]

I 3rd that.... does anyone want to fourth it... I mean, this is the reason we were given... O_o
The reason I thought our topic was moved to the dark corners of CB:

• James has a personal grudge.
• I have to "grow up". (P.S. you can read my reply to that statement here)
• We were talking to much in the "lounge", a place where poeple are supposedly supposed to talk about "bull-shit".

1. I personally disagree with the Sandbox being the dark corners of cB. And if you guys were really adamant about UT reaching the masses, you wouldn't let it being moved to the Sandbox deter you.

2. James has said again and again that he has no personal grudge. And if he did, you'd know. He'd be the first to tell you.

3. You guys aren't exactly handling this in a professional manner, IMO. This is directed to no one in particular, but you gain more flies with honey than with vinegar. Attacking the moderating team is not the way to get your issues heard. That's not to say that we respond to sycophancy, but rather give us the respect that you in turn expect out of us. We're all rational people here. Also, don't you (general you) think blaming what has happened on a supposed grudge leans a little towards the side of immaturity?

4. Just because the Lounge is informal doesn't mean that the rules all of a sudden become arbitrary.

I fourth that.

And I state again, the club's purpose is to promote the activity here at cB. By moving our thread to the Sandbox, it seems that the staff relates the idea of promoting the site to spam, which I remind you stands for Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages.

If the staff is so against the promotion of their own site, I suggest that they step down from their positions and allow those who do agree to step up to the plate and guide this site the way Jusun intended it to be.

That's bull. cB's had a couple of "revolution" topics, started in the Feedback forum, that the staff has not tried to stifle. Indeed, members of the "revolution" are or have been mods: Justin (sadolaked acid), James (I Shot JFK), and Anna (Azarel) [or at least I thnk Anna was a part of the revolution, someone can correct me if I'm wrong]. If anything, James would be the most sympathetic mod with UT because of his history with cB. Seeing as how he agrees with the rest of us (mods) that, for the time being, the best place for UT is the Sandbox should definitely tell you something about the direction in which that topic was heading.

[HakunaMatata]

[Sorry if there's already a topic about this]

I think that there should be a category called "Clubs" in the Interests section. I think it would be easier to find club topics, and for all the clubs to be ordered in a section instead of scattered all around the forums. It's fine the way it is, but I think it would be more easier and organized to make a section for clubs.

Any thoughts about it?

Ah, I'm starting to like this idea, despite the fact that I still don't believe there's enough. I'm for this idea, but only if post-count is disabled and legitimate clubs are made should the new forum encourage that. I have an irking feeling that the thread might get ruined by new, random, about-nothing clubs, but hopefully a rule system is worked out preventing that.

[*Uronacid*]

^I agree, as long as you aren't referring to our club. We are not pointless at all.

I'm not going to mince words here.

Please, refrain from blaming James exlusively for the decision to move a topic to the Sandbox.

If you want to blame anyone, blame me. It was my suggestion to actually move all the clubs to the Sandbox because, ultimately, they are chit chat threads.

Actually, I wanted a Club Subforum with post counts disabled.

This came up when I was taking (A LOT) of time to read through Club threads and found that although some had substance, most had nearly 10-15% (rough, rough estimate) good posts and the rest were either self congratulatory posts, salutations ("hi!" type of posts) and good old fashioned AIM-type banter. I am not referring to one Club either, I am referring to many.

I'm just saying, before you pass judgement on one moderator, ask how that decision was made. James doesn't have a personal grudge against anyone. He has been completely professional and objective on Staff, besides his personal feelings. There's a difference.

I have PM'd both Josh and Diana regarding the potential spam in the unholy club. I particularly asked Josh if he could try to keep it in check. Josh, I apologize, but:
You didn't exactly seem to be trying to even set a good example. The only one who has been trying and making a real constant effort is Diana, particularly after we PM'd eachother (which she did with much grace, although does have a penchant for one-liners at times ;-)).

After reading through the last few pages of that club, I am 100% behind James' decision to move the club to The Sandbox.

And you know I have no personal bias against any of you. At least, I hope you guys know that.

I know you don't hate us or have bias against us, and that is why I respect you. If you were the one to move the thread it may have meen taken differently. On the other hand, you weren't, and James was. Our thread wasn't half as bad as threads like:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=163293

or

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165082

or

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=153554

or

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93979

or

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165081


I mean seriously, just because we have a conversation going on within our club you guys have to move it? Does this mean that we have to create a new topic for every conversation that we have? C'mon, "How are you feeling?!" the topic... THAT'S NOT SPAM!? That topic is filled with one liners and posts that contain merely "smileys". If you guys are so worried about "post counts" then why not get rid of topics like these? In fact, since you guys insist on being the Nazi's of spam (Using Sarcasm) why not just change the name of the "Debate" forum to the "Lounge"? Why can't we talk about how we feel within our club?

Seriously, if you are going to have a lounge. Then you guys need to lighten up. Our club is anything but a joke. We have just recently posted missions encouraging people to contribute to the community (Please check it out). If anything, our club has more "point" to it than any of the other clubs on this site. It's not just any club. It's not just some group of people that are Chinese, Hispanic, Filipino, Jewish, or liberal getting together just for the sake of being together. Our club actually encourages everyone willing to join to contribute to the community, and you're clearly penalizing us when other topics are obviously far worse than ours.

I think that having a CLUB section would be great. All the clubs on this site are full of what you guys consider to be "SPAM". There is not one club on this site that doesn't contain people posting dozens of one liners. Why don't you check out the entertainment section. There's plenty of spam there, if you haven't noticed.

Off Subject: On another note, You guys definitely should not have let James, of all people, move the topic. We all feel his hated against me. Although he doesn't state it. It's pretty clear that he doesn't like me, and I'll openly admit that I DO NOT LIKE HIM. It seems as if he moved our thread out of spite, and not legitimate reason. He doesn't show me respect, and until I see him acting professionally (For a decent period of time as proof that he has changed) I will never show him respect. Kayseeisms, Dutchess of Dork, Mona Lisa, Katie, Dani, mzkandi, and even Kathleen (a little bit) you have all earned my respect. On the other hand, I see James as... well, you can just refer to my post in the Unholy Trinity Official Thread.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

^I agree, as long as you aren't referring to our club. We are not pointless at all.
I know you don't hate us, and that is why I respect you. On the other hand, our thread wasn't half as bad as threads like:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=163293
"How are you feeling?, v. 4", as you can see in the first post, Tina was trying to get people to ellaborate instead of just replying with posts like "uh, I feel sucky" and the like.
or
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165082
This has now been closed.
or
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=153554
or
Again, all Clubs are being looked at and reviewed. There is some cultural content in that thread, however, I'll repeat myself and say that all Clubs are being reviewed.
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93979
I'm not seeing an overly spam filled thread here. You have a few folks who spam, but the majority are responding to the topic at hand and aren't posting exclusively with smilies or 1-2 word responses.
or
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165081
Actually, I am seeing good responses there that actually stick to the topic. The title seems spammy, but the content isn't (with the exception of a couple of individuals). At least, that's my opinion.

I mean seriously, just because we have a conversation going on within our club you guys have to move it? Does this mean that we have to create a new topic for every conversation that we have? C'mon, "How are you feeling?!" the topic... THAT'S NOT SPAM!? That topic is filled with one liners and posts that contain merely "smileys". If you guys are so worried about "post counts" then why not get rid of topics like these? In fact, (since you guys insist on being the Nazi's of spam) why not just change the name of the "Debate" forum to the "Lounge"?

Conversation? Josh, you guys were talking about tomatos and Phil Collins for goodness sake. If more members would try to keep on topic and actually contribute as well as chat, that would be fine. If the leaders of your group would start taking a cue from Diana, you'd all be better off and have a much better chance at having the Club moved back to the Lounge.

And honestly, why result to name calling? Have I ever called you a name? You refer to us as Nazis and that would mean including me in that as well. That's hardly fair and hardly a way to prove a point. I've been really trying to see everyone's point of view, but that type of regard isn't going to help.

Seriously, if you are going to have a lounge. Then you guys need to lighten up. Our club is anything but a joke. We have just recently posted missions encouraging people to contribute to the community. If anything, our club has more "point" to it than any of the other clubs on this site. It's not just any club. It's not just some group of people that are Chinese, Hispanic, Filipino, Jewish, or liberal getting together just for the sake of being together. Our club actually encourages people contribute to the community, and you're clearly penalizing us when other topics are obviously far worse than ours.

With all due respect, you are being terribly closed minded, especially since you are so intent on making it appear that we need to lighten up. Those cultural clubs encourage the sharing of ideas, the sharing of culture similarities and differences. You are not being penalized worse than anyone else. The Zamunda tribe was moved as well (I believe and if not I will take care of that right now).

I think that having a CLUB section would be great. All the clubs on this site are full of what you guys consider to be "SPAM". There is not one club on this site that doesn't contain people posting one liners. Why don't you check out the entertainment section. There's plenty of spam there, if you haven't noticed.

I think this needs to be pointed out:
"Anything not pertaining or contributing to the topic" is a specific rule stated both in the Community Guidelines and in the Lounge Forum Rules topic. We actually are quite liberal in not closing or moving a thread everytime someone doesn't abide by this. However, when it happens over and over again (please refer to the last few pages of your club, for example) then we have to do something about it. Like I mentioned above, if you guys stop chit chatting, it can be moved back (unless a subforum is created). So far, not seeing anything that would appear otherwise (except for one mission Holly posted and the majority of Diane's posts (again, she occasionally does the one liner as well, but makes up for that in actual topic content related replies).

CLUB-SUB ALL THE WAY!

Off Subject: You guys definitely should not have let James, of all people, move the topic. We all feel his hated against me. Although he doesn't state it. It's pretty clear that he doesn't like me, and I'll openly admit that I DO NOT LIKE HIM. It seems as if he moved our thread out of spite, and not legitimate reason. He doesn't show me respect, and until I see him acting professionally (For a decent period of time as proof that he has changed) I will never show him respect. Kayseeisms, Dutchess of Dork, Mona Lisa, Katie, Dani, mzkandi, and even Kathleen (a little bit) you have all earned my respect. On the other hand, I see James as... well, you can just refer to my post in the Unholy Trinity Official Thread.
^ That belongs in the Mod Performance thread. :)

As an aside - MAN that took all time to reply to. It's just important to me that I respond to feedback as respectfully and as full as possible.

[*Uronacid*]

As an aside - MAN that took all time to reply to. It's just important to me that I respond to feedback as respectfully and as full as possible.

Ha ha, That's the main reason I respect you. You do read everything, and I'm not offended by what you say. You pay attention to detail.

P.S. Nice call on all the threads. I didn't mean to "name call", I was only using sarcasm to prove a point. I wasn't under the impression that we could move it back when the chit-chat was minimal, and now that I am I will try and maintain a low level of "chit-chat". ;]

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Seriously, if you are going to have a lounge. Then you guys need to lighten up. Our club is anything but a joke.

The internet is serious business except when it's not.

[*Uronacid*]

The internet is serious business except when it's not.

agreed?

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agreed?

That would be deliciously ironic considering what's being debated in this topic and what has happened in the past few days.

EDIT:

In any case, there's not sufficient subsistent clubs for yet another subofurm; nor does it seem necessary in any nearby future. I'm fine with the idea of keeping clubs dedicated to a specific interest in the corresponding subforum as of now, as long as they're do not evolve in chat threads.

In that case, the sandbox seems to provide a more relaxed atmosphere where random conversations can take place given the forum's orientation. I don't see the Sandbox's stigma anywhere.

I also don't see why the lounge should have clubs at all, seeing as how there are sufficient hang out threads in there as it stands.

[*I Shot JFK*]

*shrugs*

If you have a problem with me being the one to move the thread, then the issue is entirely one-sided. I wish people would stop teling me I have a grudge against josh. If I did, then presumably I would already know, and I wouldn't need to be told by people who are neither me nor Josh. Also, why exactly am I being called a hypocrite? Where did that even come from?

Rebecca has already addressed the threads you presented, but, again, the reason that the UT and Zamunda threads were moved when they were was because they were the current topic of discussion. It doesn't mean that other threads won't be moderated when and where they come to light. The clubs were moved because that was a the decision made by the team. If they improve, they can be moved back. Surely you can see that if I wanted to be biased or what have you, I would have just closed it down.

As I have said repeatedly before, I have no problem with the thread being in the Lounge, provided it is showing itself to be appropriate.

As far as the list of clubs goes, I have no problem with that, as long as a location can be decided upon. The same goes for the sub-forum, although my personal opinion is that there aren't enough miscellaneous clubs to justify their own forum. But, as in the past, if that is the consensu decision, then I will act accordingly.

[*disco infiltrator*]

So, let me get this straight - if any other mod had moved the thread, you'd be A-OK with it because they wouldn't have a personal grudge?

Alright; Carrie, move it back to the Lounge and then move it back to the Sandbox. Problem solved.

[*Intercourse.*]

^eh no. Problem wouldn't be solved.

Alright; Carrie, move it back to the Lounge and then move it back to the Sandbox. Problem solved.

Why would you tell Carrie to move the topic? She has the same exact powers as you do, so if she was able to move it then wouldn't you be able to as well?

[hi-C]

^ I don't think Sammi was around when I announced that I was stepping down

[*disco infiltrator*]

No, I wasn't. Whoops. I just saw her name in the topic. Uhhh....someone else do it then. I don't care.