Christians?, with all these post, are there any christians here? Options

[Juris Khan]

is anybody here a Christian, and if so, do you really believe and follow Christ, because with all these posts about having sex and whatnot, it doesn't necessarily sound like it...but i don't want to be judgmental and say that you're not...

[*kryogenix*]

Yes, I am Catholic. And I never post here.

[*.fire*]

I'm Christian, just laugh at those that do post, shouldn't really though, yeah.

[MyEverLastingHop...]

I'm Christian, though I don't know what kind of Christian specificly.
I've tried many kinds of churches, but I can't seem to find one that really suits me.

Just think of those people as loose believers ...?

[asung88]

yes i am. protestant.

[AngelinaTaylor]

I bet every one of you has done something that is considered "not Christian".

[Juris Khan]

^^well, you would be correct, every human has...it's our nature...i didnt mean that we were perfect by any means...but when you accept christ, it's supposed to bring about a change, and that would be reflected in what you do...of course you would still mess up, but perhaps not in the ways that everyone seems to be posting in here...

[*salcha4u*]

<-- Non-denominational Christian

I bet every one of you has done something that is considered "not Christian".

Kind of an ignorant statement but true nontheless. It's inevitable; every Christian has done something wrong at one point or another.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeey where's Suzzette

[AngryBaby]

shut the f**k up and lighten the f**k up

[Juris Khan]

shut the f**k up and lighten the f**k up

oh, come on...what's wrong with this topic? i think it's totally acceptable...of course, i started it, so i'm kinda biased, but nonetheless...and it's not a "heavy" topic, so we cant really "lighten up" nor is it persecutive, so again, cant "lighten up"
if you have problems with this topic, dont post in it.

[TehJusty]

I'm not Christian. I'm a Buddhist. However, I don't think that ones religion should be a determining factor in what you can and cannot discuss. It seems rather silly. That's like saying that Gay people can't talk about vagina's. Just my two cents.

[Aerosoul]

is anybody here a Christian, and if so, do you really believe and follow Christ, because with all these posts about having sex and whatnot, it doesn't necessarily sound like it...but i don't want to be judgmental and say that you're not...

im evangelist or pentecostal i think they are the same but i dunno i have to ask mi mommy. and yes i take my religion serious, because the bible says

"If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he decieves himself and his religion is worthless." James 1:26

[Psychotic]

I'm a christian
I'm pentecostal.

just because someone [that is a christan] does something they shouldn't, doesn't make them "not christian"

[espressive]

I'm Christian, though I don't know what kind of Christian specificly.
I've tried many kinds of churches, but I can't seem to find one that really suits me.

Just think of those people as loose believers ...?

There's such thing as non-denominational Christians, which means that you don't necessarily align yourself with a certain christian sect.

is anybody here a Christian, and if so, do you really believe and follow Christ, because with all these posts about having sex and whatnot, it doesn't necessarily sound like it...but i don't want to be judgmental and say that you're not...

Yes, I'm Lutheran. And I think that's a ridiculous statement. Just because we're Christians doesn't mean we can't talk about sex and sex is a taboo. We are just taught to look at sex with a different perspective than some people.

[Aerosoul]

I'm a christian
I'm pentecostal.

just because someone [that is a christan] does something they shouldn't, doesn't make them "not christian"

that's sorta true but it makes them a bad Christian and their religion worthless.
which you can call hypocrites because I see them alot at my church!

[*Uronacid*]

yeah, I am... but I lie in just about every post I make... Wait... that's a sin isn't it....

There's such thing as non-denominational Christians, which means that you don't necessarily align yourself with a certain christian sect.


Yes, I'm Lutheran. And I think that's a ridiculous statement. Just because we're Christians doesn't mean we can't talk about sex and sex is a taboo. We are just taught to look at sex with a different perspective than some people.

Yeah, a lot of Christians think that sex is this evil demonic thing.. I don't know, but who ever thought that up is a real moron. Sex is mentioned over and over in the bible. The only thing that the bible doesn't encourage is sex before marriage. Check out some of the stuff Solomon wrote about breasts and vaginas in Proverbs... yeah... or how about 1 Corinthians. A few of the verses in 1 Corinthians actually talk about having as much sex as you want. In fact certain verses talk about there never being a bad time to have other than durring prayer.

[AngelinaTaylor]

^^well, you would be correct, every human has...it's our nature...i didnt mean that we were perfect by any means...but when you accept christ, it's supposed to bring about a change, and that would be reflected in what you do...of course you would still mess up, but perhaps not in the ways that everyone seems to be posting in here...

That may be true to you.. but it's just a load of crap to me. Sorry

[Juris Khan]

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Yes, I'm Lutheran. And I think that's a ridiculous statement. Just because we're Christians doesn't mean we can't talk about sex and sex is a taboo. We are just taught to look at sex with a different perspective than some people.

now, i never said that we cant talk about sex or that it is taboo, just the way people are talking about it and saying how they've done this and they've done that makes it sound like they aren't. and like i said, i don't want to judge or assume, and so that 's why i started this, i wanted to know.

[Jerico Drum]

It is okay to have and talk about sex even if you are christian. The only thing God says is you have to be married. As far as I see it, when you sleep with someone it makes a bond that to me is considered marriage. That is how it was in biblical days and thats how I follow. The bible does not say how to get married so I think that the church wedding is just another way for the church to make money. I go by how it was when the bible was first written. Anyway, God never said sex is bad altogether and should never be spoke of. Sex being unholy was thew church's invention.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes I am a christian...sort of...not as much. I used to be a junior leader at my church but I left. I love God and I believe he sent down his son to die for my sins and although I have not been baptized in water I have been baptized in the fire. I used to be one of those people you would see in the front of the church jumping up and down, screaming, crying, and laying hands on everybody. But I couldn't take the lies of the church and what modern day christian leaders have done to the way we "should" follow Christ. This is a good example. God nor Jesus said sex was evil, the church did.

that's sorta true but it makes them a bad Christian and their religion worthless.
which you can call hypocrites because I see them alot at my church!

As for you...I do hope you are joking. Someone is a hypocrite because they mess up. Christianity is all about f**k ups. That is why Jesus dies on the cross. So that his blood could warsh away all the stupid stuff we do. Its people like you that make me hate the church. Here is an idea, pick up a Bible and read it. Good luck finding anyone that didn't f**k up. (exept Jesus, so it is written) Even David who is said to be after God's own heart did some major f**king up. Get your head out of your ass and into a Bible before you try to put you put people down and call us bad christians.

I bet every one of you has done something that is considered "not Christian".

Yes, you would be right. But that is the base of the christian religion. If we never messed up then why would we need Jesus. Real Christians, not the high and mighty judgmental assholes that you often see in church, know that we are not perfect and that is why we need Christ. You might not believe this and that is your choice, I am not in the business of changing peoples minds anymore, but understand that most of us are well aware that we do pleny of un-Chistian like things. I am a huge f**k up. But its the fact that there is hope that kind be found in Jesus that used to keep me going.

[cori-catastrophe]

now, i never said that we cant talk about sex or that it is taboo, just the way people are talking about it and saying how they've done this and they've done that makes it sound like they aren't. and like i said, i don't want to judge or assume, and so that 's why i started this, i wanted to know.

I wouldn't worry about it. Most of them are just making crap up to impress everyone. And if some of them really have had sex before marriage, they are the ones that are going to be punshied, not you. The only think that you can do for them if pray.

[technicolour]

It's the internet. What can one do?

[cori-catastrophe]

It's the internet. What can one do?

Very true. There are worse things on the internet.

[cori-catastrophe]

Actually, I doubt more than a few people are making up stuff to impress people. Honestly, no one really reads through "Are you a virgin" threads like that, unless you have this crazy ass story about how you lost your virginity which is highly unlikely. It's just very, VERY, VERRYYYY common for teenagers to have already lost their virginity before they even enter college these days. And I wouldn't say they would be "punished". Being a Christian is about making mistakes, repenting and asking for forgiveness. If you f**k up and have pre-marital sex, you can decide to be abstinent from that point on and ask God for forgiveness.
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Jerico Drum - Preach it man. I think I love you.
I agree with everything you say from the 2nd paragraph to the end

True, but still. You never know. It's the internet & you have no idea who these people are so it doesn't really effect you.
You are also correct about the statement you made about Christianity & forgivness but it also says in the bible that God forgives you of all sins, but when the judgement comes you will be punished for every sin you have commited on Earth.

[*xcaitlinx*]

I wouldn't worry about it. Most of them are just making crap up to impress everyone. And if some of them really have had sex before marriage, they are the ones that are going to be punshied, not you. The only think that you can do for them if pray.

but in my opinion, i'm my own person and i can make my own decisions, including when and with whom i should have sex. i don't need to follow a book or a person who we have no proof whatsoever even exists. i'm atheist and i don't think that i'll be "punished" for having pre-marital sex.

how many christians do you know that drink? isn't that supposedly against the bible too?

[*suddenly she*]

^I don't know any Christians that drink. Just.. random.

I'm a non-denominational Christian with a massive faith problem.

[cori-catastrophe]

but in my opinion, i'm my own person and i can make my own decisions, including when and with whom i should have sex. i don't need to follow a book or a person who we have no proof whatsoever even exists. i'm atheist and i don't think that i'll be "punished" for having pre-marital sex.

how many christians do you know that drink? isn't that supposedly against the bible too?

See though. Christians beilieve differently. The question is directed toward Christians because athestiests have no knowledge on this topic.

I know a few Christians that drink. It is their personal desicion. That is kind of the point of Christianity. It means if the devil tempts you & you fall into his trap, it is obviously wrong, but if you have accept Christ as your saviour then you can be forgiven in an instant. It is Christians like that, whom drink or somit other sins while knowing it is wrong during the week & going to church on Sunday/Wednesday & acting like they are worthy Christians, whom give faithful Christians a bad name & a majority of the reason that more & more people are pulling away from Christianity. I never said that drinking & sex WEREN'T described as "bad" in the bible. there are lots of sins that are considered bad, but every human being sins, being Christian or not. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, but it is really hard to describe what you are saying by simple words in which you can't express much reaction in. Christians are thought to have more disipline than non-Christians because they are more educated on the bible & the information the bible contains. But like I said before, everyone can be forgiven. The only unforgivable sin is blasphamey. Did that make any sence?


And by the way, you said that we have no "proof" that Jesus ever existed. I particially agree with that statement. Everyone has doubts but that is why Christians have to be faithful to their servant. The bible is partical "proof", as call it.

[oka_yonip]

how many christians do you know that drink? isn't that supposedly against the bible too?

drinking (consuming alcohol) isn't against the bible...abusing alcohol is though...

i mean, wine has alcohol in it yet jesus used it in the last supper...

See though. Christians beilieve differently. The question is directed toward Christians because athestiests have no knowledge on this topic.

I know a few Christians that drink. It is their personal desicion. That is kind of the point of Christianity. It means if the devil tempts you & you fall into his trap, it is obviously wrong, but if you have accept Christ as your saviour then you can be forgiven in an instant. It is Christians like that, whom drink or somit other sins while knowing it is wrong during the week & going to church on Sunday/Wednesday & acting like they are worthy Christians, whom give faithful Christians a bad name & a majority of the reason that more & more people are pulling away from Christianity. I never said that drinking & sex WEREN'T described as "bad" in the bible. there are lots of sins that are considered bad, but every human being sins, being Christian or not. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, but it is really hard to describe what you are saying by simple words in which you can't express much reaction in. Christians are thought to have more disipline than non-Christians because they are more educated on the bible & the information the bible contains. But like I said before, everyone can be forgiven. The only unforgivable sin is blasphamey. Did that make any sence?
And by the way, you said that we have no "proof" that Jesus ever existed. I particially agree with that statement. Everyone has doubts but that is why Christians have to be faithful to their servant. The bible is partical "proof", as call it.

i agree

[cori-catastrophe]

drinking (consuming alcohol) isn't against the bible...abusing alcohol is though...

i mean, wine has alcohol in it yet jesus used it in the last supper...
i agree

Eh. I didn't word it right but I think I got my point across.

[voguelove]

the whole world is pretty much christian.

[cori-catastrophe]

the whole world is pretty much christian.

Not neseccerally. Atheiesm, Satanism, ect. religions are growing.

[Juris Khan]

Not neseccerally. Atheiesm, Satanism, ect. religions are growing.

but at the same time, in the U.S. anyway, there seems to be a mass surge of a growing christian movement...i think that sometime within the next hundred years, we could see the third great awakening

[AngelinaTaylor]

the whole world is pretty much christian.

o.O What about Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Judaism, and Atheism? Although it can be argued that Atheism isn't really a religion.

And those are just some of the major ones.

[cori-catastrophe]

I'm not sure if this will help any, but I thought it was pretty much what you were asking. It was taken from a teen Christian website.

Sex is bad. Sex is wrong. Sex is sinful. Blah, blah, blah… Do any of those sound familiar?
Being a Christian teen it seems you are always bombarded with ‘say no to sex’ advocates. A lot of you have been told that sex is bad, wrong and other negative things.
Well I am here to tell you that sex is NOT bad.
In fact sex is just the opposite. Sex is meant to be a great intimate experience that feels good and shows your love and commitment to each other.
And guess what else? God created sex!
Kind of crazy when you think about sex being a good thing and not the dirty thing it’s made out to be.
God designed sex for a husband and wife to share within marriage.
Teens are told to abstain from sex until marriage.

So basically, it's saying sex is good because God created it & it is meant to show love in marriage. If it is shared outside of marriage, it is a sin, but you CAN be forgiven, like every other sin that you have commited in your life.

[lumpy]

Im a Christian. I try to follow Christ as much as possible, althought its not always as easy as it seems, i still give it a shot.

[*x1227x*]

nope, im not christian. im actually a buddhist.

[Aerosoul]

drinking (consuming alcohol) isn't against the bible...abusing alcohol is though...

i mean, wine has alcohol in it yet jesus used it in the last supper...
i agree

actually drinking alcohol is not bad, but if you get drunk then you commited a sin, that's why its best to not even drink at all sense i can be addicting or you could get drunk, (ps the bible also talks about "dont get addicted to something" im not sure i read it in the bible somewhere...

Actually, I doubt more than a few people are making up stuff to impress people. Honestly, no one really reads through "Are you a virgin" threads like that, unless you have this crazy ass story about how you lost your virginity which is highly unlikely. It's just very, VERY, VERRYYYY common for teenagers to have already lost their virginity before they even enter college these days. And I wouldn't say they would be "punished". Being a Christian is about making mistakes, repenting and asking for forgiveness. If you f**k up and have pre-marital sex, you can decide to be abstinent from that point on and ask God for forgiveness.
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Jerico Drum - Preach it man. I think I love you.
I agree with everything you say from the 2nd paragraph to the end

what the heck! dude no!! Christianity is not about making mistakes and asking for forgiveness if you keep making those same mistakes it shows you dont really care! Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with Christ, Christianity is about loving him and knowing he died and accept that he was reserected. You shouldn't say something you don't know that's true about a religion, because there might be someone out there ready to make you look like a fool, not saying that im trying to just saying it because it could happen.

[Jerico Drum]

actually drinking alcohol is not bad, but if you get drunk then you commited a sin, that's why its best to not even drink at all sense i can be addicting or you could get drunk, (ps the bible also talks about "dont get addicted to something" im not sure i read it in the bible somewhere...
what the heck! dude no!! Christianity is not about making mistakes and asking for forgiveness if you keep making those same mistakes it shows you dont really care! Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with Christ, Christianity is about loving him and knowing he died and accept that he was reserected. You shouldn't say something you don't know that's true about a religion, because there might be someone out there ready to make you look like a fool, not saying that im trying to just saying it because it could happen.

To go alng with the whole its a sin to get drunk thing, the Bible also talks about our body being God's temple and that we should take care of it. So drinking too much or using any drug to much is sin. In fact anything that makes your body unhealthy is sin. Same as overeating. God gave us wonderfull bodies and I think he wants us to keep them in good condition. I know this sounds a bit "extreme" but think of it this way: You spent a lot of energy making the perfect present for someone and they just mess it up. You would be kinda mad and feel disrespected. Well God spent some energy to make these bodies and he put a lot of thought into it, is it right for us to reck it.

And Christianity is based on f**king up. Think about it. If Jesus didn't die on the cross then there would be no christian believe. it would be more like Judaism. Jesus died on the cross because of our f**k ups. Therefor, no f**k ups, no christain. The whole point was that when we mess up we can go to him for forgiveness. Not sure if I said this all right (I have a problem with putting things in my head into words) but I think you might get the point.

P.S. Thanks Brownsugar. You don't know what it means to me to have people agree with me again. In my church I was said to be kinda "radical" so people didn't listen to me after a while.

[Aerosoul]

To go alng with the whole its a sin to get drunk thing, the Bible also talks about our body being God's temple and that we should take care of it. So drinking too much or using any drug to much is sin. In fact anything that makes your body unhealthy is sin. Same as overeating. God gave us wonderfull bodies and I think he wants us to keep them in good condition. I know this sounds a bit "extreme" but think of it this way: You spent a lot of energy making the perfect present for someone and they just mess it up. You would be kinda mad and feel disrespected. Well God spent some energy to make these bodies and he put a lot of thought into it, is it right for us to reck it.

And Christianity is based on f**king up. Think about it. If Jesus didn't die on the cross then there would be no christian believe. it would be more like Judaism. Jesus died on the cross because of our f**k ups. Therefor, no f**k ups, no christain. The whole point was that when we mess up we can go to him for forgiveness. Not sure if I said this all right (I have a problem with putting things in my head into words) but I think you might get the point.

P.S. Thanks Brownsugar. You don't know what it means to me to have people agree with me again. In my church I was said to be kinda "radical" so people didn't listen to me after a while.

I can now see why, please dont use that language around me, im not fond of it and if you do it anyways you are not worthy to be talked to. and no Christianity is not about making mistakes. you however don't seem to know the least bit of what it really means. Anyways you arent proving a point and arent making any sense.

[Jerico Drum]

I can now see why, please dont use that language around me, im not fond of it and if you do it anyways you are not worthy to be talked to. and no Christianity is not about making mistakes. you however don't seem to know the least bit of what it really means. Anyways you arent proving a point and arent making any sense.

God never said don't use the word f**k. Or shit. Or any other curse word. The Bible basicly says not to use words to hurt people. It is not sin for me to say, "f**k that hurt". I am not trying to offend anyone or hurt anyone. But if I say, "f**k you" then thats sin because I say it to hurt you. A lot of christains say the word crap as a sub for shit. But that stupid because crap and shit mean the same thing no matter what way you use it. If we go by most christian logic then crap, heck, ow, darn, etc are all sin language. I curse in a way that is not sin by God (usually), if it is bad to you and other christians, well thats your problem.

[*I Shot JFK*]

go with it, and do what comes natural.

don't worry too much abou tother people.. it'll all work out in the end

[Aerosoul]

God never said don't use the word f**k. Or shit. Or any other curse word. The Bible basicly says not to use words to hurt people. It is not sin for me to say, "f**k that hurt". I am not trying to offend anyone or hurt anyone. But if I say, "f**k you" then thats sin because I say it to hurt you. A lot of christains say the word crap as a sub for shit. But that stupid because crap and shit mean the same thing no matter what way you use it. If we go by most christian logic then crap, heck, ow, darn, etc are all sin language. I curse in a way that is not sin by God (usually), if it is bad to you and other christians, well thats your problem.

Haha if you actually read the bible it says in

James 3:9-12

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.


enough said

Who was talking about the same mistakes? If you read my post I used abstinence as an example. I said making a mistake, asking for forgiveness and being abstinent from that point on. That's called a change.

Plus you can't generalize what Christianity is all about. I can't either. It means different things to different people, just like you can read the bible 10 times and get a different meaning from it every time. There is no definition for Christianity, you define it yourself. Everyone is at a different point in their lives.
Please take your own advice.
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And Aerosoul, you are like the Christian stereotype. The one who thinks they know everything and have it all figured out, so you discriminate on other religions/other ways of thinking. You don't know everything, that's why you have God to help you figure it all out.
You're welcome :)

Great thanks for judging me for your information I do not know it all, and for you to say that I am like a stereotype means that you know it all sense you don't even know me at all. Does that make any sense?

[Juris Khan]

I can now see why, please dont use that language around me, im not fond of it and if you do it anyways you are not worthy to be talked to. and no Christianity is not about making mistakes. you however don't seem to know the least bit of what it really means. Anyways you arent proving a point and arent making any sense.

come on, this isnt the way either. christ was about love. i mean, look at who he hung out with: prostitutes, lepers, and all the other "dregs of society" that no one else would even look at. and he loved on them. he didnt hang out with the "upper crust" he didnt hang out with the priests...he even called the priests, the ones who were supposed to be the most respected and revered, "white-washed walls" and i dont know if you know what the reference is, but when there were celebrations, and one had to be clean to attend, they would go out paint the tombs and graves white so that everyone coming would not accidentally touch a dead body and become unclean...so basically, the priests were good looking on the outside, but rotting on the inside...and these were the people who were supposed to represent God. but they did nothing of the sort. christ showed that we are supposed to love everyone, so if there could be only one word to describe christianity, it would have to be love. second to love would be not sinning...because love would bring that change...love would be the change...anyway, i think i've ranted enough...

[Aerosoul]

You judged me first, haha.

But back to the topic...

When did i judge you first?

come on, this isnt the way either. christ was about love. i mean, look at who he hung out with: prostitutes, lepers, and all the other "dregs of society" that no one else would even look at. and he loved on them. he didnt hang out with the "upper crust" he didnt hang out with the priests...he even called the priests, the ones who were supposed to be the most respected and revered, "white-washed walls" and i dont know if you know what the reference is, but when there were celebrations, and one had to be clean to attend, they would go out paint the tombs and graves white so that everyone coming would not accidentally touch a dead body and become unclean...so basically, the priests were good looking on the outside, but rotting on the inside...and these were the people who were supposed to represent God. but they did nothing of the sort. christ showed that we are supposed to love everyone, so if there could be only one word to describe christianity, it would have to be love. second to love would be not sinning...because love would bring that change...love would be the change...anyway, i think i've ranted enough...

Well that's true but my youth leader said their's no point in arguing, or talking to someone who doesnt really understand God, or doesn't even care for him, he's heard the word and it's his move to go for the goal or not. Do you know what I mean?

[NoSex]

is anybody here a Christian, and if so, do you really believe and follow Christ, because with all these posts about having sex and whatnot, it doesn't necessarily sound like it...but i don't want to be judgmental and say that you're not...

F U C K Y O U.

[Juris Khan]

F U C K Y O U.

really, now, huh? what's this about? what did i do to offend you?

[Jerico Drum]

Haha if you actually read the bible it says in

James 3:9-12

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
enough said
Great thanks for judging me for your information I do not know it all, and for you to say that I am like a stereotype means that you know it all sense you don't even know me at all. Does that make any sense?

*sigh* Dude, I know what the Bible says (though I will admit I normally don't remember the exact verse) but what I am saying that when the Bible mentions cursing it is talking about words that hurt people. It doesn't say "don't say f**k, shit, etc" . If I hurt my toe and say "f**k that hurt" how am I cursing man? I am not yelling at you. I am yelling at whatever I hit my toe on. Does it offend you if I yell at a chair? I hope not. Now if I said "You stepped on my toe motherf**ker", that is cursing men. Until you can show me a verse that says we should not use certain words to express pain or sadness then don't waste your time trying to counter what I said.

And like I said earlier, and the verse proves it, any words used to curse man is sin. Like calling someone jerk. What is the diff between calling someone an a-hole or jerk? Nothing at all. So if we go by your logic then that must mean that all words that express pain are curse words too. So let me get this straight: Ow is a curse word? Because if all you say is true, then that too is truth. I know it all sounds mixed up, but really think about it and I hope you see what I mean.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ that's fun logic

[mmhmichelle]

I'm christian :]
and why is everyone getting so pissed about this topic?
pa leeezzzz grow UP.

[bat19]

I'd have to say I'm not a christian though I do believe in God. I just don't like him. I hope that when the judgement day comes, Jesus comes down and he's chinese. That way everybody's wrong. Better yet, a black Asian who is uncircumcised. People will freak out. Then he says something like "I've got a box of puppies for ya. They're all DEAD!!! And starts throwing puppy corpses everywhere. Then people will be running and screaming bloody murder because Blasian Jesus threw dead puppies out of a box labeled J.C. Then God will show up and say, "Yeah son, hit those Mo Fos!!" Then Satan will come up with Black Spiked up hair and wrist bandages on saying "Wow, this is depressing. Life is so meaningless. I wish I was alive. Then I could Die..." Yup. Thats why I dont like God.

[*Uronacid*]

I'd have to say I'm not a christian though I do believe in God. I just don't like him. I hope that when the judgement day comes, Jesus comes down and he's chinese. That way everybody's wrong. Better yet, a black Asian who is uncircumcised. People will freak out. Then he says something like "I've got a box of puppies for ya. They're all DEAD!!! And starts throwing puppy corpses everywhere. Then people will be running and screaming bloody murder because Blasian Jesus threw dead puppies out of a box labeled J.C. Then God will show up and say, "Yeah son, hit those Mo Fos!!" Then Satan will come up with Black Spiked up hair and wrist bandages on saying "Wow, this is depressing. Life is so meaningless. I wish I was alive. Then I could Die..." Yup. Thats why I dont like God.

Omg, thats so f**ked up that Idon't know what to say.. *jaw drops...*

[Kontroll]

I know what to say.

I must be emo.

[espressive]

I'd have to say I'm not a christian though I do believe in God. I just don't like him. I hope that when the judgement day comes, Jesus comes down and he's chinese. That way everybody's wrong. Better yet, a black Asian who is uncircumcised. People will freak out. Then he says something like "I've got a box of puppies for ya. They're all DEAD!!! And starts throwing puppy corpses everywhere. Then people will be running and screaming bloody murder because Blasian Jesus threw dead puppies out of a box labeled J.C. Then God will show up and say, "Yeah son, hit those Mo Fos!!" Then Satan will come up with Black Spiked up hair and wrist bandages on saying "Wow, this is depressing. Life is so meaningless. I wish I was alive. Then I could Die..." Yup. Thats why I dont like God.

That doesn't tell us why you don't like God, but it does tell us that you're rather rude. Religions aren't a joke to people, obviously not including you. I respect your opinion on God though I don't necessarily agree with it, so I'd appreciate it if you don't treat Chrisitanity, or any religion for that matter, with such sarcasm and ignorance.

I'm christian :]
and why is everyone getting so pissed about this topic?
pa leeezzzz grow UP.

Look at the person who just posted below you & I quoted. Enough said.

[show_me]

^ POST MORE PICTURES SEXY

[mmhmichelle]

If you think life is meaningless then why don't you just.. nevermind.

[*Uronacid*]

That doesn't tell us why you don't like God, but it does tell us that you're rather rude. Religions aren't a joke to people, obviously not including you. I respect your opinion on God though I don't necessarily agree with it, so I'd appreciate it if you don't treat Chrisitanity, or any religion for that matter, with such sarcasm and ignorance.

Look at the person who just posted below you & I quoted. Enough said.

Well, to some people religions are a joke. Not to me, but Jeremy is an atheist... xD

To him all religions are a joke. As far as I know, he thinks that religions are something that people need to fill a hole in their lives. It's just something that people believe in to make them feel better. He doesn't believe in any of them, and he exorcises his right not to believe in any of them. There is nothing wrong with that. It's not rude either. As a Christian need to learn to deal with it like I do. The more fuss you make about it, the more unattractive our religion looks.

[mmhmichelle]

I would say deal with it too,but he didn't have to tell his opinion because it might offend other people.

[AngryBaby]

so i was bangin this one chick the other day........

[espressive]

To him all religions are a joke. As far as I know, he thinks that religions are something that people need to fill a hole in their lives. It's just something that people believe in to make them feel better. He doesn't believe in any of them, and he exorcises his right not to believe in any of them. There is nothing wrong with that. It's not rude either. As a Christian need to learn to deal with it like I do. The more fuss you make about it, the more unattractive our religion looks.

He can think and believe whatever he wants; it's not of my concern.

My concern is that he wasn't exercising his right not to believe in any of them. He was expressing his opinion in a rather obnoxious and unnecessary manner that basically bashes Christianity. See, there's a difference. If you are exercising your right to not to believe in religions, it's a personal thing. It's not a personal thing anymore when you start making fun of other religions. Are you saying that making fun of Christianity is not rude and we should just learn to deal with it? I hope you know that the more you shrug off ignorant people and their comments, the more unattractive our religion looks too. Why would non-believers be motivated to believe in a religion that is the root of jokes and believers of the religion don't care enough to stand up for their beliefs?

Look, I'm not trying to convert anybody here. My "fuss" deals primarily with respect. If I can respect you and whatever you believe in, why can't you do the same? I'm sorry, but "respect" doesn't entitle someone to turn Christianity into some joke.

[multifaceted]

Omg, thats so f**ked up that Idon't know what to say.. *jaw drops...*

its called agnostic...

thats what i am

I believe that there is a God but you cannot identify Him/Her...

[Juris Khan]

I would say deal with it too,but he didn't have to tell his opinion because it might offend other people.

that is called being "politically correct" which is a stupid load of bullcrap! why should people tiptoe on eggshells to avoid saying something that offends someone? if everyone did that all the time, communication as we know it would end. yes, if you do offend someone, you should apologize, and sincerely mean it, but you shouldn't not do something because it could offend someone. i absolutely cannot stand political correctness because it is a load of bullcrap. i'm done ranting now.

[*Uronacid*]

that is called being "politically correct" which is a stupid load of bullcrap! why should people tiptoe on eggshells to avoid saying something that offends someone? if everyone did that all the time, communication as we know it would end. yes, if you do offend someone, you should apologize, and sincerely mean it, but you shouldn't not do something because it could offend someone. i absolutely cannot stand political correctness because it is a load of bullcrap. i'm done ranting now.

YES YES YES YES!!!!! AGREE!!!!

I spilled hot coffee on my lap when I was at McD's because they forgot to put a warning label on my cup.... coffee is hot..

[Shahin]

Good luck finding anyone that didn't f**k up. (exept Jesus, so it is written)

I'm sure dude f**ked up just like any of us. Was a man, albeit a great man. And men make mistakes.

I'd have to say I'm not a christian though I do believe in God. I just don't like him. I hope that when the judgement day comes, Jesus comes down and he's chinese. That way everybody's wrong. Better yet, a black Asian who is uncircumcised. People will freak out. Then he says something like "I've got a box of puppies for ya. They're all DEAD!!! And starts throwing puppy corpses everywhere. Then people will be running and screaming bloody murder because Blasian Jesus threw dead puppies out of a box labeled J.C. Then God will show up and say, "Yeah son, hit those Mo Fos!!" Then Satan will come up with Black Spiked up hair and wrist bandages on saying "Wow, this is depressing. Life is so meaningless. I wish I was alive. Then I could Die..." Yup. Thats why I dont like God.

I guess I'll see you in hell, bud.

but at the same time, in the U.S. anyway, there seems to be a mass surge of a growing christian movement...i think that sometime within the next hundred years, we could see the third great awakening

Islam is the fastest growing religion on Earth, and in the United States at the moment. Sure that could change, but that's the way it is right now.

[*Uronacid*]

He can think and believe whatever he wants; it's not of my concern.

My concern is that he wasn't exercising his right not to believe in any of them. He was expressing his opinion in a rather obnoxious and unnecessary manner that basically bashes Christianity. See, there's a difference. If you are exercising your right to not to believe in religions, it's a personal thing. It's not a personal thing anymore when you start making fun of other religions. Are you saying that making fun of Christianity is not rude and we should just learn to deal with it? I hope you know that the more you shrug off ignorant people and their comments, the more unattractive our religion looks too. Why would non-believers be motivated to believe in a religion that is the root of jokes and believers of the religion don't care enough to stand up for their beliefs?

Look, I'm not trying to convert anybody here. My "fuss" deals primarily with respect. If I can respect you and whatever you believe in, why can't you do the same? I'm sorry, but "respect" doesn't entitle someone to turn Christianity into some joke.

You have a point, but at the same time... You shouldn't bother being offended. Really, to belief in our religion you have to have a lot of faith. Some people will just never get it, or have respect for someone who believes in something that they consider to be insane. To many, our religion is so ridiculous that they think it's funny.

Proverbs 23:9 "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words."

Don't waste your time...

[bat19]

Hmm. I guess what I said really disturbed some people. This was never my intention. I was trying to make people laugh and succeeded so far as that me, Josh, and Jake laughed quite a good deal. If anyone had a real problem with what I said, I'll break it down for you as best as possible.

First, when I said I'm not a christian though I do believe in God, that was a flat out lie. I do not have any belief whatsoever in any shape or form of Deity. Is it possible that people have souls? Maybe. Will I say that I am 100% completely sure that there is not a God, no. But the fact is that I do not believe in one just as much as you do believe there is one. What I believe is that the Bible is a book of stories meant to teach us morality and honor and values. But it wasn't meant to be taken to the extreme it has been for the past few thousand years. The story of the boy who cried wolf tells us not to lie or else someday when something really bad happens, no one will believe us. Yet do I think that story is talking about a specific boy who cried wolf to the villagers and was disbelieved so was in turn killed by the wolf? Absolutely not, that is stupid. Same can go for the story of Hansel and Grettel and the Woman in the Shoe, they're just stories people!! Not meant to be taken literally or followed to the point where we kill those who dare not believe what we do.

Secondly, no one knows if Jesus was Black, white, chinese, Indian, or Oompa Loompa, so just drop that goddamn debate already. If you believe in him so blindly, it shouldn't matter what race he is as long as he does exist.

Now onto Jesus throwing dead puppies at people, ....um....I just thought the image was really funny. Well, funny in that it's just so twisted that it's funny. Especially when God comes down and encourages him. I mean, it is the Apocalypse, Judgement Day and by historical standard there is not a person alive today who is truly worthy of heaven.

Now for Emo Satan who hates everything, that is my only explanation for how Emo culture has possibly been able to flourish. I've got news for every Emo kid out there. I know that you hate people who conform to the popular idea but you know what, that's exactly what your doing. Go cry into the mirror and say how your parents who work their asses off day and night to pay for all your black makeup never pay any attention to you while your in your room all day long with the lights off writing depressing poetry. WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY!!!!!

Now for the person who said I'm an agnostic, No. I'm am not. But do I go around saying that God is retarded and people who believe in him are too. No, I do not. To tell a joke about something doesn't necessarily mean I'm trying to be "rude and obnoxious." As previously stated, I was trying to make my friends laugh. If you took it the wrong way, tough. I grew up with people forcing religion down my throat. I am being completely serious when I tell you that I went to a Christianity Boot Camp till I was 13.

In a perfect world, all parents will raise their children with good values and morales and then at the age where they are actually able to make a decision for their lives, introduce religion to them. But not only their religion, all religions. Let the person choose which religion works best for them. If you don't approve, tough. It should not be the parent's who decide what their children's belief structure is.

I can see that I've gone off on a bit of a rant. I'll close it by saying don't live your life adhering strictly to the rules of religion because chances are that there is no god or your religion happens to be the wrong religion and you get sent down to Hades or something. Try to open your mind and see how the other half lives. Believe in the fact that we are all alive and our lives are to short to be wasted, sacrificed, or taken because of different faiths.

P.S. Why do Christians who believe they are going to Heaven always tell me they'll see me in Hell? Wouldn't they rather not see me at all?

[chibichi15]

P.S. Why do Christians who believe they are going to Heaven always tell me they'll see me in Hell? Wouldn't they rather not see me at all?

omgosh...i dont think everyone would say that to you. i know i wouldnt! and i am a christian. if anything, i would want to see you in heaven with me!

[chibichi15]

^ i am being realistic. anything can happen through God's grace. you never know!

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

I can find myself comfortable with some of Christianity's ethical values, however I can't call myself a Christian due to philosophical diferences with religious thinking (speaking in general terms.)

[chibichi15]

I wasn't really referring to you.

oh. HAHA!!!

[coconutter]

Yes, I'm a christian, I believe in God, believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins, yada yada

What I don't believe in is crazy baptists judging others by pulling shit from the bible, since God would not like people bashing others in his name.

I hate the southern baptist belt

[*Uronacid*]

omgosh...i dont think everyone would say that to you. i know i wouldnt! and i am a christian. if anything, i would want to see you in heaven with me!

i say it XD lmao... XD

[Shahin]

P.S. Why do Christians who believe they are going to Heaven always tell me they'll see me in Hell? Wouldn't they rather not see me at all?

I'm muslim. I have won't pretend to think I'm going to Heaven, because I don't think I've done anything to warrant getting there and plenty to warrant going to that other place. So I'll see ya when I see ya.

[mmhmichelle]

that is called being "politically correct" which is a stupid load of bullcrap! why should people tiptoe on eggshells to avoid saying something that offends someone? if everyone did that all the time, communication as we know it would end. yes, if you do offend someone, you should apologize, and sincerely mean it, but you shouldn't not do something because it could offend someone. i absolutely cannot stand political correctness because it is a load of bullcrap. i'm done ranting now.

Well,I'm sorry you feel what way.

another thing to say to The Abominable C-Pillar.

Yeah,you got it right. Jesus IS black. He IS asian. Ask HIM what race he his. He is every race there is. he's colorless. So I suggest you know what you're going to say before you even say it.
Thanks.

[Joss-eh-lime]

why are so many people getting pissed off? would all these people respond like this if he was buddhist, or jewish? why are so many people anti-christian?

I'm muslim. I have won't pretend to think I'm going to Heaven, because I don't think I've done anything to warrant getting there and plenty to warrant going to that other place. So I'll see ya when I see ya.

you still have a chance to ...unless you're on your death bed or something.

[iDecay]

Moved to the lounge.

[lanbexx]

hey look.. another christian thats trying to force his views on us and call us immoral and shit.

if you dont have enough self esteem and security to not respond immaturely to these types of topics, then just dont post. the last thing createblog needs is someone who looks at the internet and says "OMG ITS A GODLESS HELLHOLE!"

[Intercourselyts]

I don't see how having sex topics around the forum would make us non-christians. People should be able to talk openly about their opinions on things, and for some of the people I'm sure they weren't actually as serious as you thought.

[Juris Khan]

Secondly, no one knows if Jesus was Black, white, chinese, Indian, or Oompa Loompa, so just drop that goddamn debate already. If you believe in him so blindly, it shouldn't matter what race he is as long as he does exist.

alright. we do have an idea what race Jesus really was. we cant pinpoint with 100% certainty exactly what one he is, but we do know that he is middle eastern because israel is in...surprise! the middle east. and because he was a carpenter, he was probably of better than average build, strong, muscular, becuase he has to build with lumber...and becuase he was middle eastern, he has middle eastern features: ie, larger nose, olive skin, etc, not all this hippie dusty brown shoulder length hair with blue eyes, sandals and the perfectly trimmed goatee...no! this is all the piece of crap americanised jesus...and it's wrong.

and i am finished with the rant...type thing......

[HakunaMatata]

Everyone, don't make this a topic discussing Jesus's race.

[*KCreateBlog*]

If you think life is meaningless then why don't you just.. nevermind.

Hahaha


I am Christian but as of lately I feel out of touch with god. I haven't been to church in like 4 weeks, and the last time I went one of the deacons I know was like "where have you been." Iono, maybe I should get back in touch with my relgion on da real.

[espressive]

You have a point, but at the same time... You shouldn't bother being offended. Really, to belief in our religion you have to have a lot of faith. Some people will just never get it, or have respect for someone who believes in something that they consider to be insane. To many, our religion is so ridiculous that they think it's funny.

Proverbs 23:9 "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words."

You have to have a lot of faith to believe in any religion, not just Christianity. It just so happens that Christianity is a more common religion than let's say, Zoroastrianism, so it creates publicity.

I believe that verse is referring to converting non-Christians, as it says, 'the wisdom of thy words', which I'm interpreting as the Bible. Once again, not trying to convert anybody. I'm merely addressing a life-lesson of respect, which could be applied to "yay-ers" or "nay-ers". As this is a controversial topic, displayed by the replies, I think we all need to brush up on our maturity and respect or else this'll just turn into a huge mess.

hey look.. another christian thats trying to force his views on us and call us immoral and shit.

I don't really know who you're referring to and don't really need to know, but maybe you should try reading through all the other replies that Christians have posted to divert your society standard mind-set of a stereotypical Christian.

alright. we do have an idea what race Jesus really was. we cant pinpoint with 100% certainty exactly what one he is, but we do know that he is middle eastern because israel is in...surprise! the middle east. and because he was a carpenter, he was probably of better than average build, strong, muscular, becuase he has to build with lumber...and becuase he was middle eastern, he has middle eastern features: ie, larger nose, olive skin, etc, not all this hippie dusty brown shoulder length hair with blue eyes, sandals and the perfectly trimmed goatee...no! this is all the piece of crap americanised jesus...and it's wrong.

First, is this perspective on Jesus's race limited to Americans? I beg to differ. Secondly, exactly who started the topic of Jesus's race? (just wanted to know)

[miceylulu]

I am not Christian and I am not comfortable with the religion. It makes everything seem (to me) that everything natural we do is wrong. Sure, curiosity killed the cat, but should you guys have to ask forgiveness for doing what humans do? (i.e., sex, experimenting, kissing, etc.) And yes, I have been Christian. I always felt like I was being bad.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Sure, curiosity killed the cat, but should you guys have to ask forgiveness for doing what humans do? (i.e., sex, experimenting, kissing, etc.) And yes, I have been Christian. I always felt like I was being bad.

yes as much as im catholic.i have many turn offs with the religion such as premarital sex,kissing and experimenting your sexuality, and birth control.
i mean how are we humans suposed to find the one to achive the sacrament of marrige if we have to ask forgivness beacause we made love before we were married or if we even kissed the person before we were married?

dotn even get me started with the birth control thing.
thats one thing i put my foot down to the church and literaly say "f**k you" beacsue i refuse to put my self in danger [i cannot carry children naturaly at this time beacause of a surgery i have had recently,i have to wait a while before i can] i will not put my life or my career on the line to have a child when im also not ready beacause i have sex with my love without some sort of protection. so honestly maybe i do make a bad catholic. but i do have some sort of faith in god

[EddieV]

My girlfriend recently got me into Christianity.

[Shahin]

My girlfriend recently got me into Christianity.

Nifty.

you still have a chance to ...unless you're on your death bed or something.

haha, only 17

[bat19]

Secondly, exactly who started the topic of Jesus's race? (just wanted to know)

um, yeah, that would be me. I believe I compared him to an oompa loompa. Plus(and correct me if Im wrong, its been a while you see), wasn't jesus a carpenters son? I dont believe they ever really said he himself was a carpenter. In the bible(and any fan of the movie Dogma will probably say "Oh' you suck. You're taking an idea that's been brought up long before this movie I saw ever was thought about and referencing it. You're so unoriginal."), but in the Bible, Jesus goes from twelve to thirty. Now he may have been helping Joseph round the shop every now and again as a kid, but he doesnt necesarily have to have become a carpenter. So to think you have an idea of what a man who may or may not have existed looks like based on his possible profession is unintelligent. In most likelyhood he didnt have blue eyes, pale skin, and flowing straight brown hair. He probably was overweight, bucktooth, and crosseyed with an annoying effeminate voice that got a bunch of people to follow him. "But that's mocking my religion!!" It's not a mockery to bring up possibilities. If that's the way I want to picture a man who only truly exists in a fairy tale then that's the way it's gonna be. The idea of debating religion is pointless because everybody is so hypocritical and self-interested in their own beliefs(myself included) to really make any progress. If it makes you feel superior to believe that an invisible entity will welcome your ghost into a proverbial Chuck e Cheese's by signing your soul away, go ahead and feel superior. I myself am left feeling content with the life I have and would rather not waste time questioning what will happen after.

[mmhmichelle]

Just because Jesus has brown hair or whatever other appearance,it doesn't mean he was white.

[Juris Khan]

...Plus(and correct me if Im wrong, its been a while you see), wasn't jesus a carpenters son? I dont believe they ever really said he himself was a carpenter. In the bible,...Jesus goes from twelve to thirty. Now he may have been helping Joseph round the shop every now and again as a kid, but he doesnt necesarily have to have become a carpenter. So to think you have an idea of what a man who may or may not have existed looks like based on his possible profession is unintelligent. In most likelyhood he didnt have blue eyes, pale skin, and flowing straight brown hair. He probably was overweight, bucktooth, and crosseyed with an annoying effeminate voice that got a bunch of people to follow him...

in the jewish culture, you did what your father did(if you were a guy) and so, before jesus became a rabbi, he would have been a carpenter, or at least more than a "temp" or a "sometimes helper" to his father joseph. and like Lil_Cloud it talking about, calling me unintelligent is not respectful. just becuase a person may be wrong about one thing does not mean that they are unintelligent. in fact, intelligence plays no role in this situation, because intelligence is a measurement of your ability to learn. for example, in rainman, the savant had a very high IQ, which stands for Intelligence Quotient, and therefore and intelligent person. he was not, though, the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Kontroll]

Actually, Jeremy is right. Jesus probably wasn't a carpenter. If you look at the original translations of the Bible, it refers to him as a 'Teknon.' That's Greek for 'Hand Worker.' I believe that is correct. That could have been any occupation considering in those days they really didn't have machines like we do, and most work was probably done with your hands. So, He could have been weaving baskets for all we know.

Secondly, I'm a Christian, not a good one at that, but I still am. It's not like you can lose your salvation. If you think so, show me. I don't agree with Jeremy on 99 percent of anything we talk about that involves rigorous debate, so don't think I'm siding with him cause he's my friend.

Jesus was Middle Eastern. He was a Nazarene. He did have long hair because Nazarene's weren't allowed to cut their hair. As was Samson, if you all remember your Biblical histroy.

I don't know much about the Bible, or Jesus, but there are some key principles that I do know. Those are the ones that are keeping my life in check for the most part. I believe in Christianity, not blindly, but out of faith. Faith is trust. Trust isn't blind. Love is blind.

I don't feel that we should all be scholars about the Bible, cause I really don't think that's what Jesus was going for. I mean, he helped the poor, sick and widowed. I'm sure they all knew so much about Him and God. I believe that all he really wants is a relationship with Him and that we put our trust in Him 100 percent. Yes, 100 percent. It talks about that in the Bible.

My beliefs on Catholicism is that it is a sect of Christianity, but an outdated philosophy that really only looks at the ritualistic aspects of Christianity. To say that the Pope is an intermediary between God and us is blasphemous, because the only intermediary was Jesus. Yes, there were prophets and all that spoke directly with God, but they didn't tell us that we had to talk through them in order to speak with God. The pope is 100 percent human and nothing else. Jesus was 100 percent human and 100 percent God. He was flesh incarnate.

End.

[mmhmichelle]

Yay! let's end this thread.

[*kryogenix*]

My beliefs on Catholicism is that it is a sect of Christianity, but an outdated philosophy that really only looks at the ritualistic aspects of Christianity. To say that the Pope is an intermediary between God and us is blasphemous, because the only intermediary was Jesus. Yes, there were prophets and all that spoke directly with God, but they didn't tell us that we had to talk through them in order to speak with God. The pope is 100 percent human and nothing else. Jesus was 100 percent human and 100 percent God. He was flesh incarnate.

End.

My belief on Catholicism is that it is the Church that Jesus Christ himself started and is the only valid sect of Christianity as all the other flavors were started by men and not by God.

I don't understand what you mean by an intermediary, but the Pope has authority because St. Peter was given the authority as the first Pope by Jesus himself. This is where apostolic tradition comes in and a whole other debate.

[espressive]

My belief on Catholicism is that it is the Church that Jesus Christ himself started and is the only valid sect of Christianity as all the other flavors were started by men and not by God.

If the basis of your debate is that Cathlicism is only valid because it was "started by God and not by men", then you can basically challenge the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible was written by men, and not be God, so then wouldn't the Bible be invalid in that sense too? Hasn't history proved that God works through people? That's how the Bible came about. How do you know God wasn't working through Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran sect?

So Jesus may have appointed the first leaders of the Church, but did he ever tell them that they are infalliable and hold the thread of communication between God and people? No, he didn't. Those ideas were developed by humans. And if the Pope is indeed infalliable, then why did Pope Alexander VI run a brothel in Vatican and allowed "The Banquet of Chestnuts", which is basically this huge orgy? The Bible certainly does not approve of that and actually tells us that our body is a temple of God and we shouldn't abuse it in such manner. Why did Popes in the medieval times also allowed the selling of indulgences? Tell me, is it really possible to be released from penance by money? No, salvation comes from faith alone, not by giving money to the Pope and writing your name on a piece of paper. Popes also hold the power to excommunicate people from the Church. Who are you to decide if a person is worthy to be apart of the Church? That is being judgemental, and the Bible tells us that the only one with that authority is God himself. The Catholic religion focuses so much on the Pope that he almost becomes an idol (with his infallibility and whatnot). The Bible clearly states that the only infallible one is Jesus Christ, not the Pope. So you see, Catholicism may have been founded by Jesus Christ originally, but much of it has been twisted to fit human desires. Don't tell me, "That's not true. Catholicism hasn't changed since the beginning!" If Catholicism hasn't changed, you would be reading the Bible in Latin, not English or French or German. The Catholics opposed the translation of the Bible from Latin and always conducted services in Latin. Martin Luther was excommunciated for translating the Bible into German, because it was forbidden. But obviously, that taboo has changed, hasn't it?

[/catholic rant]

[shortnsweet88]

I am a christian. However, just like every other person here I have moments where I feel like rebelling and well..church is'nt really my forte these days, but I do believe in God and the bible.

[*Uronacid*]

My belief on Catholicism is that it is the Church that Jesus Christ himself started and is the only valid sect of Christianity as all the other flavors were started by men and not by God.

I don't understand what you mean by an intermediary, but the Pope has authority because St. Peter was given the authority as the first Pope by Jesus himself. This is where apostolic tradition comes in and a whole other debate.

If God created the Catholic church as the one true sect of Christianity, why did the Catholic church feel compelled to eradicate all the free thinking Christians? I mean, if you look at it, Jesus was a free thinking Christian. Was he not? He was a revolutionary of the time. So, that would defeat the purpose of eliminating all those Christians during the rule of the Roman Empire. I would love to get into a debate with you about this. Anytime.

[*kryogenix*]

If the basis of your debate is that Cathlicism is only valid because it was "started by God and not by men", then you can basically challenge the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible was written by men, and not be God, so then wouldn't the Bible be invalid in that sense too? Hasn't history proved that God works through people? That's how the Bible came about. How do you know God wasn't working through Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran sect?

The Bible was divinely inspired, even though it was written by men. I know he wasn't working through Martin Luther because it wouldn't make sense for God to start a schism between His people, would it? Not to mention Luther's concepts of sola scriptura and sola fide contradict each other.

So Jesus may have appointed the first leaders of the Church, but did he ever tell them that they are infalliable and hold the thread of communication between God and people? No, he didn't. Those ideas were developed by humans. And if the Pope is indeed infalliable, then why did Pope Alexander VI run a brothel in Vatican and allowed "The Banquet of Chestnuts", which is basically this huge orgy? The Bible certainly does not approve of that and actually tells us that our body is a temple of God and we shouldn't abuse it in such manner.

Yeah, he gave St. Peter papal authority. The Pope is infallible on matters of faith and when speaking ex cathedra. Pope Alexander VI was a wicked man yes, and there were many other bad Popes, but none of their decisions changed Catholic belief for the worse.

Why did Popes in the medieval times also allowed the selling of indulgences? Tell me, is it really possible to be released from penance by money? No, salvation comes from faith alone, not by giving money to the Pope and writing your name on a piece of paper.

You don't know how indlugences work. I need to get to bed soon, so I apologize that I'll have to tell you to look it up.

Popes also hold the power to excommunicate people from the Church. Who are you to decide if a person is worthy to be apart of the Church? That is being judgemental, and the Bible tells us that the only one with that authority is God himself.

Sinning seperates us from Jesus Christ; excommunication is only a public announcement of notorious sin. You can still return if you repent.

The Catholic religion focuses so much on the Pope that he almost becomes an idol (with his infallibility and whatnot). The Bible clearly states that the only infallible one is Jesus Christ, not the Pope.

Again, St. Peter as first Pope and apostolic succession.

So you see, Catholicism may have been founded by Jesus Christ originally, but much of it has been twisted to fit human desires. Don't tell me, "That's not true. Catholicism hasn't changed since the beginning!" If Catholicism hasn't changed, you would be reading the Bible in Latin, not English or French or German. The Catholics opposed the translation of the Bible from Latin and always conducted services in Latin. Martin Luther was excommunciated for translating the Bible into German, because it was forbidden. But obviously, that taboo has changed, hasn't it?

[/catholic rant]

Another misstatement. That was not why Luther was excommunicated; read his theses and you'll see a lot that was incompatible with Church doctrine. I forgot which declaration allowed the use of vernacular; I'll refresh my mind when I have more time. Personally, I'd love to see a return to Latin masses, but that's a subject for a different debate .

If God created the Catholic church as the one true sect of Christianity, why did the Catholic church feel compelled to eradicate all the free thinking Christians? I mean, if you look at it, Jesus was a free thinking Christian. Was he not? He was a revolutionary of the time. So, that would defeat the purpose of eliminating all those Christians during the rule of the Roman Empire. I would love to get into a debate with you about this. Anytime.

Say what now? Eradicate who? Didn't the Roman Empire persecute Christians?

Or are you going to steer the discussion to Galileo?

I'm ready, Fae knows.

In any case, Pax Tectum to both of you! I'm going to bed.

Ugh, I regret taking Japanese over Latin. I need to take a Religious Studies class too.

[y0urelectrikk]

Yes. I am Catholic.

It's the internet. What can one do?

^exactly. not like we can control what people talk about.

[angelrevelation]

I am I don't post in those topics. And I try not to look in them either, unless i'm extremely curious.

[michellerrific]

I guess I am Christian. I don't attend church and i'm not completely devoted, but i follow majority of Christian beliefs.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

I'm a Christian.

But anyways, I don't think you should worry about the what people are talking about on the internet. It shouldn't affect you or concern you, really. It's the internet.

[*Intercourse.*]

^I agree with what Kara said, all of it.

Although to add to her post, you shouldn't care what others think or say over the internet. I think you should more than likely just mind your own business and not worry so much about others in that way. People should be able to be themselves without others tearing them down for it.

[roboticxragdoll]

i be a christian....
yes sirrr