GG republicans, Democrats in the house and senate? Options

[*kryogenix*]

Oh snap son, get to work. Get out that veto stamp George, start the impeachment investigations, the filibusters, the blame game and all that lovely stuff.

[hi-C]

The next two years are going to be extremely interesting.

[*Libertie*]

LOL@James.

Maybe I was being optimistic, but I'll just take this chance to say I KNEW IT.

[*salcha4u*]

The next two years are going to be extremely interesting.

No kidding. It's been 12 freaking years.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Hey, we don't for sure know yet!
They're talking about a recount in Virginia right now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6131122.stm

[*salcha4u*]

Montana decided?
AHhh the Senate margin is really close, House is definite Democrats.

[*mona lisa*]

Score!

Oh, snap. The Senate results are very close. If there's going to be a recount, let's hope that it won't be rigged.

I did read somewhere that there were so many problems with the voting procedure and in some areas, paper ballots were used.

[*sofakinglazy*]

WHooooooooooooooooooooT. Nancy Pelosi FTW!!! Goodbye Rumsfield!!

[*salcha4u*]

Haha Rumsfield screwed it up for hte Republicans.

[*digital.fragrance*]

I'm a Republican, and even I say the Party deserved to get booted.

That's just sad.

[*kryogenix*]

WHooooooooooooooooooooT. Nancy Pelosi FTW!!! Goodbye Rumsfield!!

Screw Nancy Pelosi. The Democrats owe this win to the moderates. Blue Dogs FTW.

And yeah, now the Republicans better regroup and return to traditional conservatism.

Bush '08! Jeb, that is

[*Libertie*]

I think the Virginia guy is gonna give up on the recount thing. *crosses fingers*

[kimmytree]

Bush '08! Jeb, that is

Dear God. Nooooo. Its more like Gore '08.

I just got back from Italy last night and as soon as I got back into the airport in Chicago I almost collapsed when I heard the news about Rumsfeld, and the Democrats getting control. It was like the happiest day of my life.

[*kryogenix*]

Not having Gore or Kerry makes me glad we had Bush. If you complained under Bush and democrats lite, then wait till you're under the full force of the left wing.

[*digital.fragrance*]

^ No joke - I agree wholeheartedly. I just don't think Jeb has what it takes to beat Hillary, or Obama for that matter... at least if the elections were held right now. He'd probaly have to wait 4-8 years so people would forget about how much they complained about Bush 43.

Rudy Guilliani would be interesting, but I don't think he has what it takes either. And people aren't too kind to the GOP right now, anyway.

[pandamonium]

seriously i wonder whats going to happen now...

i wish i could of voted for my area but its okay the person i wanted to win won here also, and i also think it was good rumsfeld stepped down its good to have a new breath of fresh air.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

The next two years are going to be extremely interesting.

True that, true that.
Makes life more interesting though, right?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Dear God. Nooooo. Its more like Gore '08.

I respect Gore. He actually stands up for the environment. I think he'd make a great president.

[radhikaeatsraman]

^No way.

STEWART/COLBERT '08 FTWW.
or, on more realistic terms... OBAMA '08 YEAHHHH

But yeah, Dems have control of both the House AND the Senate!

[hi-C]

Not having Gore or Kerry makes me glad we had Bush. If you complained under Bush and democrats lite, then wait till you're under the full force of the left wing.

What's wrong with the so-called "full force of the left wing?"

^ No joke - I agree wholeheartedly. I just don't think Jeb has what it takes to beat Hillary, or Obama for that matter... at least if the elections were held right now. He'd probaly have to wait 4-8 years so people would forget about how much they complained about Bush 43.

Rudy Guilliani would be interesting, but I don't think he has what it takes either. And people aren't too kind to the GOP right now, anyway.

Guilliani isn't going to get it. Does he even want to run?

I respect Gore. He actually stands up for the environment. I think he'd make a great president.

I concur.

^No way.

STEWART/COLBERT '08 FTWW.
or, on more realistic terms... OBAMA '08 YEAHHHH

But yeah, Dems have control of both the House AND the Senate!

Eh, I'm not sure if Obama is a good thing, at least right now. He's so new, you know? I'd rather have him gain more political experience before trying to make a credible claim to the White House. Although, I must say, the man makes an excellent speech and seems like a good, rational politician.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Even with that whole recount thing for the Senate they still have 2 independents who vote with the Democrats.

Is it for sure, for sure that Borack Obama is going to run in '08. The newspapers around say that it's confirmed.

This election has also been very important for women, since a woman is now Speaker of the House. That's the closest a woman has come to the Presidency. Hey if someone kills the pres. and vice pres. a woman will become the president!!!

[*kryogenix*]

What's wrong with the so-called "full force of the left wing?"

You think the government is big now? Wait till the liberals are in complete control. Never mind regular abortions, do you think people who approve of PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS are morally representative of the American public?

Democrats won this with blue dogs, yet the far left will be calling the shots. See anything wrong here?

So Republican Party, start campaigning to your base again. Actually try to overturn Roe v. Wade. Protect the second amendment. Stop gay marriage. Stop stem cell research. STOP CONCENTRATING ON FLAG DESECRATION LAWS WHEN THERE ARE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES AT HAND.

[hi-C]

I'm personally for a woman's right to choose. I'm also for gay marriage and stem cell research. Any leadership that wishes to uphold these rights or make them legal is fine by me.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm personally for a woman's right to choose. I'm also for gay marriage and stem cell research. Any leadership that wishes to uphold these rights or make them legal is fine by me.

Yes, but even the right to choose to crack a baby's head open and suck the brains out with a vacuum? The left likes to use euphemisms to make stuff sound nicer. Defending the "right to choose" sounds a lot better than "crack open a baby's skull and suck the brains out with a vacuum." Guess what though, the likes of Pelosi, Kerry, Boxer, Rangel and Kennedy voted AGAINST a ban on Partial Birth Abortions.

The Democrats used moderates, many of whom were pro life, to help win a bunch of the seats. I fear the more liberal ones are just going to say "THANKS A LOT SUCKERS!" and take advantage of their new power.

[hi-C]

This is not the place to debate the "rightness" or "wrongness" of abortions.

[*kryogenix*]

This is not the place to debate the "rightness" or "wrongness" of abortions.

What's to debate? I would think any sane person knows that cracking a baby's (not even a fetus, since it is so late in the term) head open and sucking it out with a vacuum is a deplorable act.

[hi-C]

Eh, well, the point when a fetus becomes a "child" is highly debatable. And I'm sure the woman involved has a whole different notion as to if what she's doing is deplorable. Again, please don't turn this into a debate.

[*kryogenix*]

Eh, well, the point when a fetus becomes a "child" is highly debatable. And I'm sure the woman involved has a whole different notion as to if what she's doing is deplorable. Again, please don't turn this into a debate.

Meh sounds like a copout to me but I'll stop.

[Spirited Away]

Oh snap son, get to work. Get out that veto stamp George, start the impeachment investigations, the filibusters, the blame game and all that lovely stuff.

I like filibusters... at least, I liked them in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

[*Libertie*]

^No way.

STEWART/COLBERT '08 FTWW.
or, on more realistic terms... OBAMA '08 YEAHHHH

But yeah, Dems have control of both the House AND the Senate!

lmao!!!!! Hahaha, Jon Stewart. <3

..I'd vote for him. >_>

So in all seriousness I'd love to see Edwards try it again, but I don't think that's gonna happen. We'll see, I suppose.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I like filibusters... at least, I liked them in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

Haha, I just watched that movie in my Government class. I don't like it, but what does fillibusters have to do with impeaching Bush?

[radhikaeatsraman]

lmao!!!!! Hahaha, Jon Stewart. <3

..I'd vote for him. >_>

So in all seriousness I'd love to see Edwards try it again, but I don't think that's gonna happen. We'll see, I suppose.

Eh, anything having to do with the Kerry campaign will kill the Dems in '08. Obama/Edwards could work, though. Anything with Obama could potentially get the Dems in the White House, just because he is that awesome.

I'm also riding on my Stewart/Colbert '08 idea.

[kimmytree]

^No way.

STEWART/COLBERT '08 FTWW.
or, on more realistic terms... OBAMA '08 YEAHHHH

But yeah, Dems have control of both the House AND the Senate!

Ehhh. Obama? Are you serious? He lacks experience. He's only been the senator or something of some state for 2 years. And during that time, he's taken several trips to Africa to find his "roots". I hope I'm not coming off as being rasist, because I'm not. I'm just afraid that he's going to bee too "pro minority / African American". I know that probably sounds stupid. But he just seems like he'd be a little extreme.



I dont dislike the guy, but he just lacks experience.

lmao!!!!! Hahaha, Jon Stewart. <3

..I'd vote for him. >_>

So in all seriousness I'd love to see Edwards try it again, but I don't think that's gonna happen. We'll see, I suppose.

Edwards would be awesome. I was furious when he decided to step down and run as vice in the last election. I think he was losing in the polls though.

Yes, but even the right to choose to crack a baby's head open and suck the brains out with a vacuum? The left likes to use euphemisms to make stuff sound nicer. Defending the "right to choose" sounds a lot better than "crack open a baby's skull and suck the brains out with a vacuum." Guess what though, the likes of Pelosi, Kerry, Boxer, Rangel and Kennedy voted AGAINST a ban on Partial Birth Abortions.

The Democrats used moderates, many of whom were pro life, to help win a bunch of the seats. I fear the more liberal ones are just going to say "THANKS A LOT SUCKERS!" and take advantage of their new power.

Okay, thats a pretty ignorant statement. I consider myself to be more moderate, only because I disagree with the liberals on stuff like abortion. Abortion should be allowed in certain cases, like if a woman is raped, or if her life is in danger. It definately shouldnt be a form of birth control. I'm totally against the partial birth abortion, but a woman still deserves her rights.

Not all democrats are completely for abortion. Heck, Guiliani is for partial birth abortion, and he's supposedly "conservative".

Not having Gore or Kerry makes me glad we had Bush. If you complained under Bush and democrats lite, then wait till you're under the full force of the left wing.

What makes you so glad to have Bush as president? The fact that he's an idiot? Lied to us, broke international law, and went to war with Iraq claiming that Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Oh please do tell. I cant wait to read your response.

[*kryogenix*]

Ehhh. Obama? Are you serious? He lacks experience. He's only been the senator or something of some state for 2 years. And during that time, he's taken several trips to Africa to find his "roots". I hope I'm not coming off as being rasist, because I'm not. I'm just afraid that he's going to bee too "pro minority / African American". I know that probably sounds stupid. But he just seems like he'd be a little extreme.



I dont dislike the guy, but he just lacks experience.

In his defense, this George W. Bush guy lacked experience as well, he was only Governor of Texas.

Okay, thats a pretty ignorant statement. I consider myself to be more moderate, only because I disagree with the liberals on stuff like abortion. Abortion should be allowed in certain cases, like if a woman is raped, or if her life is in danger. It definately shouldnt be a form of birth control. I'm totally against the partial birth abortion, but a woman still deserves her rights. Not all democrats are completely for abortion. Heck, Guiliani is for partial birth abortion, and he's supposedly "conservative".

STRAWMAN and ad hominem. Did you not read my posts? I said clearly NEVERMIND REGULAR ABORTION. I acknowledged that not all D's are pro death too. Way to look smart.

What makes you so glad to have Bush as president? The fact that he's an idiot? Lied to us, broke international law, and went to war with Iraq claiming that Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Oh please do tell. I cant wait to read your response.

I'm glad because we got two very qualified judges on the supreme court, our economy is doing great , he's pushing for the defense of marriage, we have a partial birth abortion ban thanks to him, etc. even though he's not the ideal candidate. At least he's not John Kerry.

LOL @ calling him a liar. Look up the definition of a lie before you respond.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Eh, strange that this topic is slowly turning into a debate. But what's politics without debates?

I'll admit, I don't like a lot of the decisions Bush made. Esspecially the war. I don't care that abortion exsists. I know it sounds rude, but it's not like I know the children personally and I don't think that anyone is in the position to judge any woman who's getting or has had an abortion.

[kimmytree]

Eh, strange that this topic is slowly turning into a debate. But what's politics without debates?

I'll admit, I don't like a lot of the decisions Bush made. Esspecially the war. I don't care that abortion exsists. I know it sounds rude, but it's not like I know the children personally and I don't think that anyone is in the position to judge any woman who's getting or has had an abortion.

I completely agree. I think abortion is a important issue, but I dont think it should be our top priority right now.

In his defense, this George W. Bush guy lacked experience as well, he was only Governor of Texas.

Exactly. Bush wasnt exactly experienced enough for the position either. But, I think he had been involved in Politics longer than Obama has.

I'm glad because we got two very qualified judges on the supreme court, our economy is doing great , he's pushing for the defense of marriage, we have a partial birth abortion ban thanks to him, etc. even though he's not the ideal candidate. At least he's not John Kerry.

I see what your saying. But I dont feel like getting two good judges is all that impressive. I feel like thats something almost anyone could have done. Actually, our economy has been going down hill. How is our economy doing so great? Thats good that he's against abortion, but there are far more important issues going on right now besides abortion. I'm surprised your not trying to argue over the whole war thing.

[hi-C]

Ehhh. Obama? Are you serious? He lacks experience. He's only been the senator or something of some state for 2 years. And during that time, he's taken several trips to Africa to find his "roots". I hope I'm not coming off as being rasist, because I'm not. I'm just afraid that he's going to bee too "pro minority / African American". I know that probably sounds stupid. But he just seems like he'd be a little extreme.



I dont dislike the guy, but he just lacks experience.

Too bad you failed at "not coming off as being racist."

[kimmytree]

Too bad you failed at "not coming off as being racist."

What? How was I being racist? I apologize if I was.

[hi-C]

^ If an Irish guy went to Ireland to "find his roots," as you so put it, would you be as quick to say he's pro-Ireland/pro-white?

[kimmytree]

^ I dont think i've heard of too many Irish guys actually doing that. I think most people who have had family here for awhile would want to find their roots in America, not elsewhere. I dont know. Maybe I'm wrong.

But if he was taking too much time off the job to do so, then yeah. I meant that from what I've seen/heard, he's taken alot of time off to take several trips. It doesnt bother me where he's going, or what his nationality is. Its the fact that he claims to be "finding his roots" when he's supposed to be on the job.

I'm sorry if I came off as sounding racist. I guess I just wasnt being too clear on what I was trying to say.

[hi-C]

^ I dont think i've heard of too many Irish guys actually doing that. I think most people who have had family here for awhile would want to find their roots in America, not elsewhere. I dont know. Maybe I'm wrong.

But if he was taking too much time off the job to do so, then yeah. I meant that from what I've seen/heard, he's taken alot of time off to take several trips. It doesnt bother me where he's going, or what his nationality is. Its the fact that he claims to be "finding his roots" when he's supposed to be on the job.

I'm sorry if I came off as sounding racist. I guess I just wasnt being too clear on what I was trying to say.

JFK did it. And Obama went to Africa as a representative from the US Congress. It just so happens to be that his dad is from Kenya. Don't be so quick to judge.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I think most people who have had family here for awhile would want to find their roots in America, not elsewhere.

I don't really think that's very valid. People who's family has been here since the 1800's look into their "roots". I don't necessarily think that they are just taking time to go to the place of where their ancestors came from to live in that country or anything. It's a way to get a better understanding of your family history. It sounds like they go to the place where their ancestors came to just hang out and be accepted there But my family doesn't have deep roots in America, so who am I to speak?

JFK did it. And Obama went to Africa as a representative from the US Congress. It just so happens to be that his dad is from Kenya. Don't be so quick to judge.

You're so smart.

[kimmytree]

JFK did it. And Obama went to Africa as a representative from the US Congress. It just so happens to be that his dad is from Kenya. Don't be so quick to judge.

Really? Thats almost funny. Did you even bother to read that as a result of Kennedy joining with the Irish president, a foundation that has raised over $300 million was formed?

I didnt say that no one like that hasnt. I didnt realize that his father was actually from Kenya, but I dont think that makes a difference. I dont think our country has really benefited from him going, even though WE are paying for it. Its understandable for someone to want to visit where they are from, but its something that he should pay for. Plus, he has to be taking alot of time off from the job to do so.

"The African journeys of Sen. Barack Obama are paid for by U.S. taxpayers who foot the bills for hotels, food, ground transportation, commercial plane rides, military aircraft put at his disposal and Navy escorts who accompany him wherever he goes."

[kimmytree]

You think the government is big now? Wait till the liberals are in complete control. Never mind regular abortions, do you think people who approve of PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS are morally representative of the American public?

Democrats won this with blue dogs, yet the far left will be calling the shots. See anything wrong here?

So Republican Party, start campaigning to your base again. Actually try to overturn Roe v. Wade. Protect the second amendment. Stop gay marriage. Stop stem cell research. STOP CONCENTRATING ON FLAG DESECRATION LAWS WHEN THERE ARE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES AT HAND.

How so? As far as the senate and house goes, most of the Democrats in there are more moderate than liberal. I consider myself a Democrat. I'm definately not for the partial birth abortions, but I know some actually are. Guiliani, a main Republican who will run in 08' is for it, and he's supposedly conservative.

Whats wrong with gay marriage? Do you say that because you think they "choose" to be that way?

And I really dont get how you think stem cell research is wrong. From what I understand, when women have invetro, or whatever its called, there are always embryo's that are left unused, and are eventually destroyed. So instead of them basically just being thrown away, they could be used for research. I think they can also be donated. They are NOT fertilized eggs, so whats wrong with it? Stem cell research could lead to finding a cure to cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons, diabetes, and other health problems. Its also possible that they could be able to make organs in the lab, for people who are in need of a organ transplant.

[hi-C]

Really? Thats almost funny. Did you even bother to read that as a result of Kennedy joining with the Irish president, a foundation that has raised over $300 million was formed?

I didnt say that no one like that hasnt. I didnt realize that his father was actually from Kenya, but I dont think that makes a difference. I dont think our country has really benefited from him going, even though WE are paying for it. Its understandable for someone to want to visit where they are from, but its something that he should pay for. Plus, he has to be taking alot of time off from the job to do so.

"The African journeys of Sen. Barack Obama are paid for by U.S. taxpayers who foot the bills for hotels, food, ground transportation, commercial plane rides, military aircraft put at his disposal and Navy escorts who accompany him wherever he goes."

That's besides the point. You said you hadn't heard of any Irish people looking to establish their roots.

Obama has only visited Africa once as a congressman, the other two trips were when he was young and when he got engaged. This last trip was 15 days, but he technically wasn't taking time off as he is a part of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee panel on African Affairs.

Besides that, a lot of politicians travel, it's a part of the job.

And who did you think paid for Kennedy to travel to Ireland?

[kimmytree]

That's besides the point. You said you hadn't heard of any Irish people looking to establish their roots.

Obama has only visited Africa once as a congressman, the other two trips were when he was young and when he got engaged. This last trip was 15 days, but he technically wasn't taking time off as he is a part of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee panel on African Affairs.

Besides that, a lot of politicians travel, it's a part of the job.

And who did you think paid for Kennedy to travel to Ireland?

There's nothing wrong with traveling, I just dont feel like he had a reason to the way he has. The governemnt (our tax dollars) has had to pay for it.

Who cares who paid for Kennedy's. I know we did, but still. He started a foundation and in return has raised over $300 million. What has made Obamas trips worthwile?

Arghh. Why are we arguing over him when the topic was originally about Democrats winning the Senate and House.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

-gets some popcorn and sits back-

Yeah, things tend to always get off topic. Esspecially in politics.

[kimmytree]

-gets some popcorn and sits back-

Yeah, things tend to always get off topic. Esspecially in politics.

Yeah. I always walk away feeling bad about myself too, thinking that I'm an idiot any time someone disagrees with me. Or I worry that I might have hurt someones feelings or something.

[hi-C]

There's nothing wrong with traveling, I just dont feel like he had a reason to the way he has. The governemnt (our tax dollars) has had to pay for it.

Who cares who paid for Kennedy's. I know we did, but still. He started a foundation and in return has raised over $300 million. What has made Obamas trips worthwile?

Arghh. Why are we arguing over him when the topic was originally about Democrats winning the Senate and House.

Well, the $300 million has been raised for about thirty years. Obama's only been a Senator for two years. Obama's trip to Africa is extremely important; he's helping to re-establish diplomatic ties with oft-ignored African countries. Who knows, this could be the first step in "solving" (and I use this term extremely loosely) the problem in Darfur.

[AngelinaTaylor]

You think the government is big now? Wait till the liberals are in complete control. Never mind regular abortions, do you think people who approve of PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS are morally representative of the American public?

Democrats won this with blue dogs, yet the far left will be calling the shots. See anything wrong here?

So Republican Party, start campaigning to your base again. Actually try to overturn Roe v. Wade. Protect the second amendment. Stop gay marriage. Stop stem cell research. STOP CONCENTRATING ON FLAG DESECRATION LAWS WHEN THERE ARE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES AT HAND.

Since when did the democrats become liberal? Since when did they adopt their views completely?

And when did the liberals become the "bad guys"? We had liberals ruling in Canada for quite a while, and it was a whole lot better than it is now.

LOL @ calling him [Bush] a liar. Look up the definition of a lie before you respond.

Actually, he is. I'll give you one example.

Initially, he said that the reason the Americans invaded Iraq was because of their possible posession of mass destruction weapons. Now. When they didn't find any, the reason suddenly became "to remove a brutal dictator". Which one is it?

Research your sources more next time.

[kimmytree]

Since when did the democrats become liberal? Since when did they adopt their views completely?

And when did the liberals become the "bad guys"? We had liberals ruling in Canada for quite a while, and it was a whole lot better than it is now.



Actually, he is. I'll give you one example.

Initially, he said that the reason the Americans invaded Iraq was because of their possible posession of mass destruction weapons. Now. When they didn't find any, the reason suddenly became "to remove a brutal dictator". Which one is it?

Research your sources more next time.

Now from what I hear, its supposedly to make a new alliance / have a way of attacking Iran from Iraq.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Initially, he said that the reason the Americans invaded Iraq was because of their possible posession of mass destruction weapons. Now. When they didn't find any, the reason suddenly became "to remove a brutal dictator". Which one is it?

Research your sources more next time.[/font]

True, but as much as I am not for this war I think if we just pulled out of there the place would fall apart and would be worse than when we got there. Sure, WOMD was his motive to go to war but the motive to stay at war changes.

[AngelinaTaylor]

^ I'm sorry, but how would you feel if your son or husband or boyfriend died for some idiot's lie?

I'm not saying that having troops in Iraq is a bad thing. But that doesn't justify his ... "reasons".

P.S. Somebody from the U.N. actually said that the place is in a worse condition now than it was before when Saddam was in power. Just saying.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Actually, my brother is in Iraq right now. I don't like Bush and I'm not saying that we should be over there. But what would happen if we just pulled out? I don't care about people who say that we should be over there to finish and "win" the war. That's a bunch of crap to me. I just think that if we pulled out now the place would fall totally apart. They have no government structure. They're killing each other and they never would have had an election if the troops weren't there to protect the people going to vote.

[kimmytree]

Actually, my brother is in Iraq right now. I don't like Bush and I'm not saying that we should be over there. But what would happen if we just pulled out? I don't care about people who say that we should be over there to finish and "win" the war. That's a bunch of crap to me. I just think that if we pulled out now the place would fall totally apart. They have no government structure. They're killing each other and they never would have had an election if the troops weren't there to protect the people going to vote.

Thats got to be so hard, for him and your family. Thats great that he's willing to stand up and fight for his country.

Whether someone's for or against the war, we need to support our troops. They arent the ones making the calls over there.

I completely agree. I definately dont think we should be over there, Iraq at least. I think we're way too in over our heads to pull out asap, but I think we need to work on a plan to speed things up. We've been over there for over 3 years now, and they havent been able to handle things on their own so far... so what makes us think they'll ever be able to?



I hate to say this, but I think they'd be so much better off with Saddam in control. Yeah, he killed alot of his own people, but even more have been killed as a result of our presence. Not to mention our own troops.

[AngelinaTaylor]

And you think "democracy" is actually going to flourish over there? It's going to take years and years. If it ever works. Democracy doesn't work in all counries, but I guess we'll have to see the results.

I'm not saying the troops should leave now. I'm saying that the "reasons" Bush decided to invade are illogical.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Thats got to be so hard, for him and your family. Thats great that he's willing to stand up and fight for his country.

Whether someone's for or against the war, we need to support our troops. They arent the ones making the calls over there.

Thank you. I got a voice mail from him Thanksgiving morning so I know he's okay. Hah, I'm such a dork I almost started to cry when I listened to it.

And you think "democracy" is actually going to flourish over there? It's going to take years and years. If it ever works. Democracy doesn't work in all counries, but I guess we'll have to see the results.

I'm not saying the troops should leave now. I'm saying that the "reasons" Bush decided to invade are illogical.

I also disagree with the reason Bush decided to go to war. I think that they need to let their country know things, though, more so than they do now. A lot of us are uninformed of what's going on.

I think we need to help introduce the idea of democracy to them and kind of let them take it from there for themselves. One of my brother's friends was talking about when he was over in Iraq on his first tour and said that they will probably end up having a civil war regardless if we're over there or not. He said that it might even help them. That America had their civil war and look where we're at now.