Higher Expectations in the Graphics Section |
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 Nov 7 2006, 12:56 AM
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Not everyone have adobe programs, you know.
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Nov 7 2006, 01:12 AM
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 I use those striped graphics and the others similar to it on my myspace. |
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Nov 7 2006, 01:14 AM
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 Pocketful of Sunshine Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,690 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 289,004 |
^x2 You can make some pretty awesome looking graphics without adobe, y'know.
 LOL @ the myspace one. Ah, this reminds me of the myspace layouts.. I think there should be another deleting spree.. Hmm. |
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| *StanleyThePanda* |
Nov 7 2006, 02:00 PM
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The photos arent very good, you are right.
Especially the one with the dress (wtf?). But as for the patterns, I think they could be very useful. For backgrounds on sites, such as Myspace, or Xanga. And I also agree about the icons, though I do like the Serial Kisser one, just cause it makes me laugh. But the myspace one =  It really is up to the admins/head staff whether or not we have another House Cleaning. So until then.. I guess, dont worry about it? idk.  I do think we should have one though, yes. |
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Nov 7 2006, 03:56 PM
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I really dont like half of the graphics. I think we need to separate out the icons/photos/other graphics into different sections.
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| *Infinite.* |
Nov 7 2006, 04:28 PM
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I don't know, its not me I know that.
I don't exactly want to be rude to the other staff, all I need is more people on their bad side with me. But Jackie did go all out and made completely new rules: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=151544 and theres these: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130778 Sometimes I just think some of the people don't even bother to look over the rules to see whats acceptable or not. The layouts, Toya and I talked about it, and we feel as if theres going to be a new house cleaning with the layouts. Because some layouts are just getting accepted and theres no need to accept them. Also, I never got the point of accepting Icons that just a have some text on it and solid color background. Seriously guys do you really think it took much effort to do something like that. I know for a fact people can make better things than that in photoshop and even ms paint. |
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| *salcha4u* |
Nov 8 2006, 12:29 AM
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Those rules are BS. I've seen every single one of them broken. IN fact, not over half of those rules are implemented for most of the graphics here.
SWA, if you don't have an adobe program, then don't make graphics. Also, I've seen amazing things made on paint. Yeah, house cleaning would be good. More than half those graphics don't deserve to even be on there... Dots and patterns are nice, but they take like...1 minute to make. Compare this to the Design Staff that have made millions of backgrounds that take at least 20. I can easily make 50 dots and call myself Official Designer. Btw these are retarded: http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17979 http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17918 http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17651 (big whoop, ITS A CROPPED PICTURE) |
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Nov 8 2006, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 7 2006, 9:29 PM)  Those rules are BS. I've seen every single one of them broken. IN fact, not over half of those rules are implemented for most of the graphics here. SWA, if you don't have an adobe program, then don't make graphics. Also, I've seen amazing things made on paint. Yeah, house cleaning would be good. More than half those graphics don't deserve to even be on there... Dots and patterns are nice, but they take like...1 minute to make. Compare this to the Design Staff that have made millions of backgrounds that take at least 20. I can easily make 50 dots and call myself Official Designer. And I know that this may seem impossible but CAN I HELP CLEAN GRAPHICS ALSO? PLZPZPLZLZ? PLus I am sure some of those icons aren't even made by the people who submitted them. Btw these are retarded: http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17979 http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17918 http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17651 (big whoop, ITS A CROPPED PICTURE) salcha, i do have adobe program. What gives you an idea that i don't even have one? Oh? You've seen amazing things done on paint? Can I see it? Maybe, a doll ? How long does it takes to make quality graphic in Paint. Is it easy? It's rare. Look at how many cb paint tutorials are there.  Paint isnt easy.When someone claims to construct a vexel in Paint, do you believe them?  Before, you start calling it "useless crap". Moderators have different standards of approval. I liked the two "useless crap" photos that you listed. glue and book. It looks like; you can have a lot of fun with base graphic on PS. About the dress photo, it does look like crap. 
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Nov 8 2006, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Nov 7 2006, 10:14 PM) salcha, i do have adobe program. What gives you an idea that i don't even have one? Oh? You've seen amazing things done on paint? Can I see it? Maybe, a doll ? How long does it takes to make quality graphic in Paint. Is it easy? It's rare. Look at how many cb paint tutorials are there. Paint isnt easy.When someone claims to construct a vexel in Paint, do you believe them? Before, you start calling it "useless crap". Moderators have different standards of approval. I liked the two "useless crap" photos that you listed. glue and book. It looks like; you can have a lot of fun with base graphic on PS. About the dress photo, it does look like crap. I wasn't talking about YOU, I was talking about people in general without adobe programs since you stated that fact before. Moderators have to follow CERTAIN RULES for approval, most of those pictures don't even FIT and are USELESS. |
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| *mona lisa* |
Nov 8 2006, 01:54 AM
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Another cleaning spree would be useful, yes. The only problem I have with what you're bringing up is about useless crap. So the striped backgrounds don't take very long to make, but are they completely useless? Not in my opinion. I see a great deal of people using striped backgrounds, especially on MySpace. Several can be rejected, but not all.
And the difficulty with graphics (any submission really, but mainly graphics) is that sometimes, although it isn't necessarily that great looking, it's really not something to get a fuss over and reject. So what happens? It's accepted anyway or it's left for another mod to decide. But an important thing here is that while mods must use their best judgement, the rules/guidelines thread should be open when going through the queue. |
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Nov 8 2006, 03:34 AM
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 in a matter of time Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,151 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 191,357 |
I'll just keep my opinion simple; I agree.
Also, I'd like to bring something else up that's related with graphics. Am I the only one who finds it REALLY ANNOYING when a whole crapload of new Graphics topics come up when I "View New Posts"? Yes, I realize that they are new posts/topics, but I hate having to scroll through a bunch of stuff that I'm not likely to look at, let alone comment. The thing is, if things like graphics, tutorials, scripts, layouts, etc are in a completely different part of the createBlog site than the Forums are, then why do they come up in Forums' "View New Posts?" It's really annoying to me, and doesn't make much sense. I came to the Forums to post in the Forums, not to see what's new in Graphics. I'd rather people who submit their graphics post up collections of their contributions in a graphics subforum, not unlike the one we have right now, in order to get feedback. Because right now, it's not effective. No one's actually getting any feedback; go to any given Graphics topic and there are sad numbers of replies. One comment, if you're lucky. Just a little something I wanted to bring up...too lazy to make a new topic. |
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Nov 8 2006, 07:22 AM
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 (′ ･ω･｀) Group: Official Designer Posts: 6,179 Joined: Dec 2004 Member No: 72,477 |
Yes I know
Some of the 'icons' are all over the internet and are posted at least twice. (wtf?)Some icons are not even icons... |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:30 AM
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 say maydayism. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,447 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 26,344 |
I think those simple striped backgrounds SHOULD BE REMOVED.
Why? Because cB is a website which provides graphics that are of high standard and quality. I believe people can share their simple backgrounds in Graphics Resources instead. Really, isn't what that forum is supposed to be for? This will really help the graphics section look much better. The submitted graphics should be stuff that NOT EVERYONE CAN MAKE, rather than what I call below-average. |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:45 AM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
Sharing backgrounds in the graphic resource forum would be too much trouble. Why? Because some backgrounds that get submitted are worse than the ones you even pointed out. If you just let people post their own its going to become this chaotic thing, in which you guys will be posting a new topic again in the future, asking us to just go through them or create some process in which they aren't just added in there. Personally I think they are fine were they are.
Backgrounds and pattenrs can easily be considered "graphics" in a way. If you want to put them in the resource forum why not put everything else in there. All the graphics that are being accepted are pretty much resources for people anyway. QUOTE This will really help the graphics section look much better. The submitted graphics should be stuff that NOT EVERYONE CAN MAKE, rather than what I call below-average. Not everyone is a genius, not everyone is the Carrie or kristina (don't take this offensively because I love you guys) or any other people that make EXTREMELY NICE GRAPHICS that no one else can make/do (ok well what majority can't do). Some people get off making decent things that everyone else can make too. So they should easily be able to be accepted if they are decent and atleast up to most/majority of the standards in the rules. If the graphic section was limited to things not everyone could make ..why would we have a photo section? Everyone can make photos so that would pretty much be eliminated. You would then have is banners/icons. And lately all icons can be made by everyone. So might as well eliminate that too. My point is changing the graphic section to things everyone can't make would pretty much eliminate the graphics section. QUOTE Yes I know Some of the 'icons' are all over the internet and are posted at least twice. (wtf?) I see your point too, but more than one mod accepts graphics so its kind of hard to keep track of whats there and whats not. I agree with Mona. Regarding the dress one, yea um thats pointless. But I don't find the backgrounds and patterns being pointless at all. QUOTE Dots and patterns are nice, but they take like...1 minute to make. Compare this to the Design Staff that have made millions of backgrounds that take at least 20. I can easily make 50 dots and call myself Official Designer. Duration doesn't mean anything. It takes some people longer than others to do things. Once you get the hang of it things don't take long at all. |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(gigiopolis @ Nov 8 2006, 2:34 AM) I'll just keep my opinion simple; I agree. Also, I'd like to bring something else up that's related with graphics. Am I the only one who finds it REALLY ANNOYING when a whole crapload of new Graphics topics come up when I "View New Posts"? Yes, I realize that they are new posts/topics, but I hate having to scroll through a bunch of stuff that I'm not likely to look at, let alone comment. The thing is, if things like graphics, tutorials, scripts, layouts, etc are in a completely different part of the createBlog site than the Forums are, then why do they come up in Forums' "View New Posts?" It's really annoying to me, and doesn't make much sense. I came to the Forums to post in the Forums, not to see what's new in Graphics. I'd rather people who submit their graphics post up collections of their contributions in a graphics subforum, not unlike the one we have right now, in order to get feedback. Because right now, it's not effective. No one's actually getting any feedback; go to any given Graphics topic and there are sad numbers of replies. One comment, if you're lucky. Just a little something I wanted to bring up...too lazy to make a new topic. Just wanted to say I agree with this. There may be 20 new graphics accepted on a given day, so when you go to "view new posts" that's pretty much all you see. Defeats the purpose, yeah? Perhaps there's a way to disable this? |
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Nov 8 2006, 12:15 PM
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 Death is a promise given to us at birth Group: Official Designer Posts: 4,757 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,459 |
i agreed. People just submitting random craps. Then the mods have to rejected it. Then the user sends us hate email, saying, "why was it rejected!?" By that time, we don't even know what graphics they're talking about.
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| *mona lisa* |
Nov 8 2006, 01:59 PM
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Gigi, the reason why new submissions are visible in the "View New Posts" list is because submitting a graphic/layout/etc. makes a post in the particular sub-forum and so adds to one's post count. It was previously suggested that post count be enabled in the graphics forum so that more people would be motivated to post (though I don't see why they cannnot already comment on a graphic, but I don't have a problem with it and majority rules). The only way to get rid of that is to disable post count to how it was before.
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Nov 8 2006, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(moorepocket* @ Nov 8 2006, 12:15 PM) i agreed. People just submitting random craps. Then the mods have to rejected it. Then the user sends us hate email, saying, "why was it rejected!?" By that time, we don't even know what graphics they're talking about. Oh my gosh yes. I maybe accept 5-10 (if that) out of 100 submissions anymore. Almost every submission violates a rule. Problem is, when over 200 submissions are in the queue, it's hard to give a lot of rejection feedback. So I get these hate mails like, "So you guys just hate _[insert type of picture here]_, don't you? Have it your way." That's not an actually reply, but that is no exaggeration. I'm just so super tired of some of the random "myspace angle" pictures, blurry photos with no focus, and text icons. [/rant] |
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| *salcha4u* |
Nov 8 2006, 06:53 PM
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Maybe you should just give feedback for layouts but not graphics.
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Nov 8 2006, 07:07 PM
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^ I do give feedback for layouts all the time - no exceptions.
I just wish some people had more maturity when it comes to their responses. |
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| *sofakinglazy* |
Nov 8 2006, 07:11 PM
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Go Chou!! I'm rooting for you!
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| *Infinite.* |
Nov 8 2006, 08:55 PM
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If you have a hard time rejecting stuff just get a browser that has tabs, and open up two new tabs and put them to the graphic rules. When you come to a graphic that is going against the rules you simple copy the rule their breaking tell them their breaking that rule and give them a link to the rules that you got the thing from and tell them if they would like to submit another graphic or improve then follow the rules.
I do that now, and I rarely ever get complaints from graphics. |
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| *digital.fragrance* |
Nov 8 2006, 09:04 PM
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^ I'll do that.
 Thanks
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Nov 8 2006, 09:12 PM
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Yep, no problem..
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Nov 9 2006, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 7 2006, 10:41 PM) I wasn't talking about YOU, I was talking about people in general without adobe programs since you stated that fact before. Moderators have to follow CERTAIN RULES for approval, most of those pictures don't even FIT and are USELESS. QUOTE SWA, if you don't have an adobe program, then don't make graphics. Also, I've seen amazing things made on paint. Um. Okay. I understand that.
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| *a painefull euphoria* |
Nov 9 2006, 03:11 AM
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you cant be that biased against ms paint.
there are many things you can do with paint. i have paint shop pro 8 and photoshop but i do use ms paint. and have come to learn that some of the features are really nice i made my siggy and avatar using ms paint |and many people are suprised about that  |the only thing i didon photoshop was the fire brush and the text. i understand the point being made but the real concern should be that when using paint you should actualy try hard on paint not make crappy single colored backgrounds and contrasting shapes.yeah that shit take 2 seconds.or my personal favorite the rainbow stripes. that might have takne a person 2 mins longer. but if it really looks like you gave a shit and actualy earned your way as a official graffic designer why not use paint? |
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Nov 9 2006, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(a painefull euphoria @ Nov 9 2006, 12:11 AM) you cant be that biased against ms paint. there are many things you can do with paint. i have paint shop pro 8 and photoshop but i do use ms paint. and have come to learn that some of the features are really nice i made my siggy and avatar using ms paint |and many people are suprised about that |the only thing i didon photoshop was the fire brush and the text. i understand the point being made but the real concern should be that when using paint you should actualy try hard on paint not make crappy single colored backgrounds and contrasting shapes.yeah that shit take 2 seconds.or my personal favorite the rainbow stripes. that might have takne a person 2 mins longer. but if it really looks like you gave a shit and actualy earned your way as a official graffic designer why not use paint? I have never evereverever said anything against MS Paint. I use that program to do a lot of editing too, hence why I said that it is not impossible to make good graphics on MS Paint. Making three lines = 1 minute. |
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Nov 9 2006, 09:30 PM
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MS Paint can be stretched to the limit, and like she said, I haven't seen anythign against it, either. It just seems that a lot of graphics made in it aren't very hard at all... and really really really simple.
So basically, this is a against-really-simple-graphics thread, not an against-MS Paint thread. |
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Nov 10 2006, 08:10 AM
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say maydayism. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,447 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 26,344 |
IN REFERENCE TO TOYA'S POST:
Actually, the Graphics Resources subforum was recently set up, right? Well, I don't really understand clearly what can be posted in the forum or not. So perhaps, a few more guidelines/rules should be set there. Just a suggestion. And also, I understand your viewpoint. However, I think these simple backgrounds should only count as 1/2 a graphic when it comes to official designer application. Why? Although some people may have spent a lot of time on making these backgrounds, I think the complicated banners/vectors/etc. people submit should deserve more respect than simpler graphics. We all know how much more effort people need to put in them. Hence, mods really need to be careful on this matter. Maybe what I meant by "something everyone can make" was not clear enough. I didn't mean that we should eliminate photos/icons. I was talking about banners and more of the complicated graphics. I take banners as an example. Everyone can open MS Paint, fill in the background and add some simple text onto a banner-sized graphic. You hardly need any effort to create this "banner". Hence, I don't think such simple graphics deserve to be on cB resources at all. I emphasize once more, that, cB should offer the best (or at least fairly good) graphics on the Internet. Graphics that just look decent and not ugly are not good enough. I thought we tried to upper cB's resources standard a little bit during the last house-cleaning session? I hope we're not going back to where we started off. I do not wish to see cB becoming a typical, average blog resources site. |
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Nov 10 2006, 11:41 AM
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^ On the designer application - it has to be 50 Unique Graphics... when we made that rule a long time ago, we made it "50" to account for how easy it to many certain things, and the "unique-ness" so that they all aren't simple backgrounds.
Bu eh,  I agree about the simple backgrounds... Actually, I really don't think we need them. |
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Nov 10 2006, 11:46 AM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
QUOTE And also, I understand your viewpoint. However, I think these simple backgrounds should only count as 1/2 a graphic when it comes to official designer application. Why? Although some people may have spent a lot of time on making these backgrounds, I think the complicated banners/vectors/etc. people submit should deserve more respect than simpler graphics. We all know how much more effort people need to put in them. Hence, mods really need to be careful on this matter. I don't have anything against that. QUOTE Maybe what I meant by "something everyone can make" was not clear enough. I didn't mean that we should eliminate photos/icons. I was talking about banners and more of the complicated graphics. I take banners as an example. Everyone can open MS Paint, fill in the background and add some simple text onto a banner-sized graphic. You hardly need any effort to create this "banner". Hence, I don't think such simple graphics deserve to be on cB resources at all. But all I'm saying is this some look like they don't have much effort to them, and trust me the times I do go through the graphics I don't accept them, but then some that are accepted look simple but some people actually try to make them etc. Banners like simple text, etc , I completely agree with you. I was going on to more blend type banners with just some simple text. mmhmm. QUOTE I thought we tried to upper cB's resources standard a little bit during the last house-cleaning session? Well that was the goal for layouts and graphics , but as I even began to notice some are just being accepted. I'm totally up for another house cleaning thing anyway. But I don't see a problem if we wait a few weeks or a month before doing it.. |
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Nov 10 2006, 04:24 PM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
Different mods have different opinions. So if you feel that way, thats well interesting. But all I can say is if you want to know why your stuff is denied you have the right to ask.
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Nov 10 2006, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 8 2006, 6:53 PM) Maybe you should just give feedback for layouts but not graphics. Why? Everyone needs feedback, don't you think?
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Nov 10 2006, 06:00 PM
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Hmmm... working on that ;D
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Nov 10 2006, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(Madame C @ Nov 10 2006, 2:15 PM) Why? Everyone needs feedback, don't you think? Layouts take more time to make. I'm sure a lot of people can figure out what's wrong with their graphics just by looking at the submission guidelines. Would you guys (as mods) want to give feedback on every graphic anyway? |
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Nov 10 2006, 06:07 PM
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Perhaps a routine house cleaning or review of graphics should happen. There are so many graphics that are submitted and different moderators are going through the queue at different times and each might have a unique interpretation regarding what should and should not be accepted. Typically (and Mona suggested this at one point, I believe) when someone is going through the queue they should have a window up with the graphics queue and another window up with the submission guidelines. Go through it like it was a checklist. The rest is/can be subjective.
If we have a periodic review then perhaps another pair of eyes (or a few) can see a graphic that ought not have been accepted in the first place and clean house a bit. |
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Nov 10 2006, 07:01 PM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 10 2006, 3:06 PM) Layouts take more time to make. I'm sure a lot of people can figure out what's wrong with their graphics just by looking at the submission guidelines. Would you guys (as mods) want to give feedback on every graphic anyway? Everyone wants feedback. I think there are topics in here with people complaining that they don't get feedback. Everyone wants there feedback. If we don't give it , we still get all these pms asking why we didn't in the first place. So we have to go back , and tell them why. Its much easier giving it then. |
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Nov 10 2006, 09:10 PM
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Tell them to suck it up.
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Nov 10 2006, 10:16 PM
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why not have everyone that can accept graphics go through and rate it on a scale of one to ten. all those failing to reach a certain number on average gets rejected. you dont have to do it when its accepted, but as a house cleaning thing.
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Nov 11 2006, 01:32 AM
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Do you have any idea how many graphics go through everyday? How tedious would that be? And even then, you would have to wait for everyone else to rate it.
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Nov 11 2006, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(toyo loco @ Nov 10 2006, 6:01 PM) Everyone wants feedback. I think there are topics in here with people complaining that they don't get feedback. Everyone wants there feedback. If we don't give it , we still get all these pms asking why we didn't in the first place. So we have to go back , and tell them why. Its much easier giving it then. I've tried submitting both layouts and icons, and gotten both rejected. I've never gotten feedback on either type, just that little form message, but quite frankly I'd rather see feedback on layouts than the icons. Icons are basically what I do when I get bored or have some time to kill, so if they get accepted, great, if not, oh well. (I know everyone else is probably different, but that's my take on it.) But like someone up there mentioned, layouts take a while to make, and I'd really like to know why they were rejected. Not because I'm mad that they were, I'd just like to know what I need to be working on so I can make them better. |
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Nov 11 2006, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 11 2006, 12:32 AM) Do you have any idea how many graphics go through everyday? How tedious would that be? And even then, you would have to wait for everyone else to rate it. well then, we could just keep complaining. 
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Nov 11 2006, 05:57 PM
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Or find a more efficient idea.
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Nov 11 2006, 06:02 PM
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Why reject the stripes and dots?
I mean, isn't that what the graphic category of Minimal is for? |
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Nov 11 2006, 06:12 PM
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they are hideous
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Nov 11 2006, 06:15 PM
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 show me a garden thats bursting to life Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,303 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,987 |
^ Wow, and what qualifies you to say this?
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Nov 11 2006, 06:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 145 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 416,166 |
QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 11 2006, 4:57 PM) Or find a more efficient idea. well, no one else has come up with one so let's start back at square one and bitch some more.
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Nov 11 2006, 06:40 PM
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^And what exactly is that going to do?
There's nothing that the staff can do, except for work harder and know what is against the rules and what isn't against them. And also for members to start reading the guidlines and not submit things that go against the rules. So if you guys just bitch more and more then nothing is going to happen except cause more internet drama to the suitation which is something no one wants. |
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Nov 11 2006, 06:54 PM
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show me a garden thats bursting to life Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,303 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,987 |
QUOTE(jumpropeforheart @ Nov 11 2006, 5:36 PM) well, no one else has come up with one so let's start back at square one and bitch some more. No. This is where you're wrong. All you people ever do is bitch bitch bitch and NEVER come up with a damn solution. Oh, and it's our jobs? I don't think so. You bitch about it then take the time to actually come up with a SOLUTION! You don't have the right to bitch. |
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Nov 11 2006, 07:28 PM
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I think Spencer(jumpropeforheart) was being sarcastic but don't take my word for it.
I have an idea. How about having a more clear and distinctive organization of the graphics? That way, those simple striped backgrounds would go under say, Backgrounds >> Minimal? It's a bit broad right now and I don't think the striped backgrounds are useless. Do you not see many people using striped/simple repeating backgrounds? I don't have a problem with having them count for half a graphic either. A set of rules would then have to be written stating which graphic categories count for one graphic and which count for half. |
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Nov 11 2006, 07:38 PM
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 Krista. Group: Official Member Posts: 4,380 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 391,319 |
QUOTE(mona lisa @ Nov 11 2006, 6:28 PM) That way, those simple striped backgrounds would go under say, Backgrounds >> Minimal? It's a bit broad right now and I don't think the striped backgrounds are useless. Do you not see many people using striped/simple repeating backgrounds? That's exactly what I was thinking. Because isn't that what the minimal section is for? Those backgrounds are really popular. I think we should accept them, as long as they look nice and are of good quality. |
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Nov 11 2006, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(jumpropeforheart @ Nov 11 2006, 3:36 PM) well, no one else has come up with one so let's start back at square one and bitch some more. Or you can do us all a favor and stfu. Agreed about quality at least. There are minimal backgrounds that are uploaded as jpeg files....and it's aggravatig. Minimal should count for half a graphics though. |
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Nov 11 2006, 08:47 PM
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They should be saved as gif/png files. >_> The guidelines need to be re-written.
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Nov 11 2006, 09:04 PM
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 Home is where your rump rests! Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,235 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 451,969 |
I like the idea of the routine House Cleaning, since we do have excellent graphics in the Graphics section, somehow stuff gets through that noone think is up to par. I like those striped backgrounds; I agree that they're simple and easy to make, but they're extremely useful. The pink dress one is very laughable; I mean; wtf is that?
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Nov 11 2006, 11:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 145 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 416,166 |
it was sarcasm, except in kristina's case.
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Nov 12 2006, 12:05 AM
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Well, also if you want stripes don't make them overly simple. Like this..
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17520 |
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Nov 12 2006, 01:35 AM
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say maydayism. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,447 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 26,344 |
^ I totally agree with that.
Besides, I also agree that minimal backgrounds should only count for 1/2 a graphic. Many people do find them useful, yes, but they take far less effort than other complicated backgrounds, so it would be appropriate. |
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Nov 12 2006, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 11 2006, 2:10 AM) Tell them to suck it up. Or, YOU could suck it up, and stop whining about the fact that you dont like some of the graphics. see how constructive that was? This whole thing is stupid... there will always be some graphics which some people do not like, and it will NEVER be possible to create a set of guidelines which makes it possible to easily qualify a submission as either acceptable or unacceptable; the scope for graphic design is to broad. I also object to the idea that things should be rejected just because they are too simple. Yes, createblog wants to deliver a high quality product, but it also wants to deliver things that people actually WANT. if people WANT a wide selection of striped graphics (which, can i just point out, have a wider range of potential for use, and are therefore perhaps the least 'useless') then cb ought to be providing them. The current system is fine. The occasional blips lie with the mods occasionally being too lenient when approving the graphics. The majority of the time, it works well. If we introudcued a more complicated approval system, the bitching would be about how slow the system was. If the guidelines were made more stringent, the bitching woud come from members who had too many of their submissions rejected. There is no one, single, clear pervading FLAW with the current system. As such, it does not need ammending. Yes, perhps a new housecleaning would be helpful. But last time, several layouts which were actually on my favourites list were removed. Clearly they werent 'useless', and i was actually really annoyed by one which was rejected. So i would just like to question the criteria which would be used, because i see two possible scenarios. 1) The housecleaning is carried out with much tighter guidleines, as a result of which we lose several graphics which may not be pure genius, but which people like. 2) The housecleaning is carried out under the existing guidelines, which means that the vast majority of existing graphics would be acceptable anyway, only a few would be rejected which genuinely need to be, but the mods would reject some which perhaps meet the criteria in and of themselves, bu which they dislike, and thus feel more inclined to reject as part of said housecleaning. Again, we lose graphics which people like, and based soelly on subjectivity. I suggest we stick to the status quo, and sit donw and watch High School Musical a lot until we are all feeling more cheerful. |
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Nov 12 2006, 12:51 PM
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rofl@ the High School Musical thing. >.<
QUOTE There is no one, single, clear pervading FLAW with the current system. As such, it does not need ammending. Yes, perhps a new housecleaning would be helpful. But last time, several layouts which were actually on my favourites list were removed. Clearly they werent 'useless', and i was actually really annoyed by one which was rejected. So i would just like to question the criteria which would be used, because i see two possible scenarios. 1) The housecleaning is carried out with much tighter guidleines, as a result of which we lose several graphics which may not be pure genius, but which people like. 2) The housecleaning is carried out under the existing guidelines, which means that the vast majority of existing graphics would be acceptable anyway, only a few would be rejected which genuinely need to be, but the mods would reject some which perhaps meet the criteria in and of themselves, bu which they dislike, and thus feel more inclined to reject as part of said housecleaning. Again, we lose graphics which people like, and based soelly on subjectivity. I agree with this. The rejecting guidelines when going back through were MUCH more harsh than the guidelines for accepting submissions. I had no idea it was going to get carried away like it did - people were going through, mass-rejecting without putting much thought into it at all. One bad thing is that we had the housecleaning right after hiring new staff members, so not everyone had gotten a chance to settle in and figure out exactly what the standard is. Bad idea. We should have waited. My bad. If we do a new housecleaning, here are a few problems I have with the last one: - People who are focused in one area (ex. Myspace staff) rejecting something OUT of their area of expertise. I had someone reject EVERY ONE of my livejournal layouts during the housecleaning. I admit that perhaps the image work isn't all that great, but honestly. My layouts against some terrible ones were rejected, and the ones that actually NEEDED to go stayed. I wouldn't have gone through rejecting Myspace layouts, because I don't actually have a Myspace of my own, so I don't know what types of layouts a lot of people are using. - People just going through as quickly as possible and getting through their section. Remember, these people who put effort into submitting and getting something accepted are now going to be getting PMs essentially telling them, "Yeah, so we accepted your work way back when but now we think it sucks. Sorry." Actually THINK about that when you hit reject - "Is it actually worth smashing our credibility by rejecting something that was already previously accepted?" Also remember that these things were accepted for a reason. Of course, in some cases it could have been a fluke - there WAS a time when non-design staffers were allowed access to the queue, and hitting accept by accident does happen. I really thought the mess during the last housecleaning would teach us to NOT want this to happen again. I don't think this housecleaning thing is something we should do regularly, or even multiple times. I thought once would be enough. That being said, it obviously wasn't enough. I do think maybe the graphics need to be looked over. As far as everything else, under cb2 it was Design Staff's (as well as Head Staff and Admins) job to look over the queue and monitor things that are being accepted and rejected. When cb3 launched, this kind of died out since now all (sub) design staffers can review accepted layouts. So why not? We don't need a housecleaning session as an excuse to just look through and make sure things are being carried out correctly, yeah? We have an awesome set of four Design Staffers who are more than capable of handling the job.
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Nov 12 2006, 01:14 PM
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:hammer: Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 9,849 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,700 |
^ Four ?
 I only count 3.
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Nov 13 2006, 03:35 PM
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I would also like to agree with Dani's point that going back through the accepted graphics and rejecting those which were previoulsy accepted harms the sites credibilty, and undermines the authority of the original acceptor
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Nov 14 2006, 07:38 AM
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say maydayism. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,447 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 26,344 |
^ I see your point.
But I still think we need house cleaning every once a while. 
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Nov 14 2006, 10:52 AM
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^I don't think there would be a problem with having a house cleaning but only when it's needed. A regular and scheduled routine is a very bad idea for reasons stated above.
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Nov 14 2006, 11:00 AM
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Ok, so a regularly scheduled house cleaning isn't such a good idea. I do think that a regularly scheduled/routine review of the submissions might be useful though. Nothing would be cleaned out, but the Design-y staff can sort of go over and review what/how everyone is doing.
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Nov 14 2006, 11:07 AM
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say maydayism. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,447 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 26,344 |
Okay I see what you guys mean.
:) For instance, when people start to complain about the quality of submissions reasonably, maybe it's time for house cleaning. |
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Apr 27 2008, 10:51 AM
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kind of harsh. but then i looked at the stuff. I may be a noob. but i would like to think i know what looks decent haha!
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Apr 27 2008, 01:30 PM
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 Tick tock, Bill Group: Administrator Posts: 8,764 Joined: Dec 2005 Member No: 333,948 |
QUOTE(Angeline @ Apr 27 2008, 12:34 PM) Why did you bump this? O_O It's two years old. Closed, moved to Resolved. |
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