Don't Kill your child with Maths Options

[madhusudhanp@yah...]

Maths should be made mandatory for engineering preferred students and not for students who go for other major fields like Arts, medicine etc. Were Math’s doesn’t play a major role. Elementary to high school the math’s for non-engineering stream students should have Addition, Subtraction, Multiplication, Division, and basic accounts to lead a happy life from childhood to Adulthood. We need to get this in social engineering to build a good citizen without any advanced maths.

Calculus, Trigonometry, Geometry, theories and proofs never applied in other major fields after a high school.

When parents doesn’t have time to teach math’s, they have to hire tutors.

Many students have the phobia of Math’s. Due to which they go into depression and sometime
it lead's to suicidal tendencies.

Except Math’s, Most of the students do well in other subjects.

[demolished]

Maths should be made mandatory for engineering preferred students and not for students who go for other major fields like Arts, medicine etc.

Math is really complicated. Math is everything which includes arts, and medicine. Medicine is chemistry. Chemistry is math.

Were Math's doesn't play a major role. Elementary to high school the math's for non-engineering stream students should have Addition, Subtraction, Multiplication, Division, and basic accounts to lead a happy life from childhood to Adulthood. We need to get this in social engineering to build a good citizen without any advanced maths.

I don’t think, “need “ is a right word. Math is important in sports. did you know that?

Calculus, Trigonometry, Geometry, theories and proofs never applied in other major fields after a high school.

I think, we still need to keep up with math. Math isn’t just complicated numbers. Math is logic. It requires critical thinking which leads to advance thinking in all major fields.

When parents doesn't have time to teach math's, they have to hire tutors.

There are free tutoring offered during afterschool, library, and lunch time. Almost every school provided tutoring. In America, the interest in math and science is getting lower.

Many students have the phobia of Math's. Due to which they go into depression and sometime
it lead's to suicidal tendencies.

Many? Prove it. Where did you have that source from? Students needs to developed good study habits and responsibilities. Now a day, kids don’t even get enough sleep.

Except Math's, Most of the students do well in other subjects.

so?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Math is involved in everything.
AND it's not only engineers. Have you thought about the fields of science? An astronomer has to determine the height of a star and how far it is. A spectroscopist uses the nanometers (10^-9) wavelengths to determine an element's spectrum. A geologist uses carbon dating to find the age of an organic compound (usually rocks).

Calculus, Trigonometry, Geometry, theories and proofs never applied in other major fields after a high school.

That's not true.. Designers/architectures use geometry and trigonometry. And the government too. Like the army, for example. When they think of strategies, they have to think of how far it is, the surface area that they'll cover, the volume of a building, etc.
And what about science? Engineering just is a small part of science. There are hundreds of other fields you could go into while working with NASA.

And math is the universal code, y'know? They expect that when aliens communicate with us, they'll send out radio signals in the code of math.

[AngelinaTaylor]

I see your point. I'm a musician, I'm going to major with piano performance and English, and I was really, really pissed off when I had to learn graphing and all that nonsense that I absolutely did not need last year.

I hate math with a passion. However, it's a good excersize because it requires you to use logic. Makes you think. It's good for the brain :) It's not totally useless. But I do think they go a little far as to what we MUST learn.

[WickedDreamer]

I hate math as much as the next sane person, but it's teaching me to persue a difficult task. I have to pass this class this year or else I don't go to college next year. It's teaching me perserverence. And, okay, I'll most likely never use square roots after high school, but I'm sticking to it and learning.

And about math induced susicides? I really don't like math but I'm not gonna slit my wrists over it. *rolls eyes*

[Simba]

Yeah, sometimes I wish I didn't have to take such high math classes while I'm planning to get a job that doesn't require such advanced math at all.

Yeah, sometimes I just can't see what you could use some math for in the real world. And math is one of my least favorite subjects.

But it pretty much is fact that math has its part in virtually everything. And studying math does keep us on our toes. I guess it keeps us "well-rounded." If people saw that we really didn't need to learn all that math, I'm sure they would have stopped teaching that stuff a long time ago.

[Stefanny]

Just try to find something that doesn't have to do with math. It isn't possible. Music has to do with math; you have to calculate the timing and stuff like that. And think about it; we use math in everyday life - counting bills, purchasing items, working with computers. You need math in some way; it's not just about the numbers and how much you hate learning it. It's about NEEDING it for life.

[Gigi]

Just before you retort with something like, "Dude, I'm not gonna go and graph parabolas and find values of x in everyday life", I'll just say that Math isn't just numbers and calculations. Sure, it has a lot to do with numbers, but it's the process of thinking that helps you in life. It's a skill-training subject in critical thinking. It forces you to think logically in any real-life situation, not just one with some calculations. Problem solving in every day life, situations that occur...we attack those with a logical, rational procedure. These logical sequences aren't necessarily taught or nurtured in a creative subject.

I think I pretty much disagree with everything you said. Math is integral to every single aspect of life, whether you see it or not. Pick up anything at all - you can be positive that Math is associated with it.

That Shakespeare play over there on your desk, you think that's just beautifully crafted literature? No, it's not. It's careful measurement of the binding, of the margins, of the spaces between individual letters, of the precise amount of ink needed to print with so as not to bleed through the pages. That's all math. Even the literature itself - math. It's iambic pentameter, it's a specific number of syllables to a line; there's Haiku, with strict format, even in poetry. Okay, so we're not talking E. E. Cummings here, but math is present in all types of literature to a certain extent.

Pick up a seashell and you won't notice the Golden Ratio. Stare off into space and you won't realize that you're looking into billions of tiny particles of nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon dioxide. Look at a Da Vinci masterpierce, and you might not notice the careful placement of his subjects and the way the light hits in exactly the right point - and you might not even notice the irony that, one of the greatest artists in history was also a great inventor, and made sketches of them in extreme, mathematical detail. You won't notice these things - but they're there.

[mai_z]

Like everyone has said, math applies in all aspects of our life. If you haven't experienced math in your field of study yet, you have yet to explore your field in depth. For example, music is very mathematically oriented, and one of my music teachers was a music/math double major, and could go on for hours on end about the mathematical elements of music. Pitch is really a certain number of Hz, and to make an instrument play a certain note, it has to resonate at a certain frequency. Also, when it makes a certain sound, it also plays certain divergent harmonics at varying amplitudes. Composition is also about patterns, progressions, and mathematical formulas. You just can't get away from it.

[demolished]

Indeed. Therefore, everything we touched has a history of math.

[*mipadi*]

Math is integral to every single aspect of life, whether you see it or not.

No pun intended.

[Kontroll]

I see your point. I'm a musician, I'm going to major with piano performance and English, and I was really, really pissed off when I had to learn graphing and all that nonsense that I absolutely did not need last year.

I hate math with a passion. However, it's a good excersize because it requires you to use logic. Makes you think. It's good for the brain :) It's not totally useless. But I do think they go a little far as to what we MUST learn.

There is math in music. I'm a musician, too, and it's really useful. Like you said, math makes you think. Even though people might not go for engineering or fields that involve a lot of math, it helps develop your brain.

And how are you sure that you're are going to stick with engineering? Seriously. I wanted to go for business, but now I'm not sure. What we learn in high school and elementary school is the building block for college and our careers.

[AngelinaTaylor]

There is math in music. I'm a musician, too, and it's really useful. Like you said, math makes you think. Even though people might not go for engineering or fields that involve a lot of math, it helps develop your brain.

And how are you sure that you're are going to stick with engineering? Seriously. I wanted to go for business, but now I'm not sure. What we learn in high school and elementary school is the building block for college and our careers.

One question. Can you possibly tell me how, as a concert pianist, graphing will help me with my particular career? I absolutely hate the assumption that math it useful in music. Simple math (counting) yes. Advanced crap, no.

[smoke]

^ It won't.

Essential math should be taught, yes, but all the extra math, or advanced math schools require you to take shouldn't be required. I mean, you don't have to take History and Science all four years of high school and I consider those much more important than the math we're taught.

[Gigi]

^ I don't know about that. Science stems out from math in some aspects, and it makes sense that it's not required for all the grades. All that extra stuff with graphing fucntions and trigonometry, logarithms...that won't help in your everyday life, but I can see the skills you learn from developing those math skills translating into useful tools to help you succeed in life.

One question. Can you possibly tell me how, as a concert pianist, graphing will help me with my particular career? I absolutely hate the assumption that math it useful in music. Simple math (counting) yes. Advanced crap, no.

I'm really good at playing triplets with my right hand and straight eighth notes with my left hand simultaneously. I'm also great at subdividing my rhythms. That kind of math isn't exactly hard. Okay, so, performing music having a lot to do with graphing...maybe not. But math has a lot to do, especially, with things like composition, counterpoint, analysis...all the theory that is associated with music.

Anyway, I don't think that math is directly related to more creative subjects in that way. Like I said before, I think that math is more important as a life skill in logic and rationality; to nicely balance out the other aspects like expression and creativity.

[AngelinaTaylor]

^ I don't know about that. Science stems out from math in some aspects, and it makes sense that it's not required for all the grades. All that extra stuff with graphing fucntions and trigonometry, logarithms...that won't help in your everyday life, but I can see the skills you learn from developing those math skills translating into useful tools to help you succeed in life.
I'm really good at playing triplets with my right hand and straight eighth notes with my left hand simultaneously. I'm also great at subdividing my rhythms. That kind of math isn't exactly hard. Okay, so, performing music having a lot to do with graphing...maybe not. But math has a lot to do, especially, with things like composition, counterpoint, analysis...all the theory that is associated with music.

Anyway, I don't think that math is directly related to more creative subjects in that way. Like I said before, I think that math is more important as a life skill in logic and rationality; to nicely balance out the other aspects like expression and creativity.

I was talking about advanced math - the kind I learned in grade 11 in high school. It was completely useless to me, and I still regret all the time I wasted on learning it.. I could've done something more productive with my time.

I study composition, harmony and analysis at the moment (and did counterpoint last year), and I'm still clueless as to why you say it requires math. Knowing how to count to 20 or so, yes. Adding, subtracting, maybe. But beyond that? ... No.

[smoke]

^ I don't know about that. Science stems out from math in some aspects, and it makes sense that it's not required for all the grades. All that extra stuff with graphing fucntions and trigonometry, logarithms...that won't help in your everyday life, but I can see the skills you learn from developing those math skills translating into useful tools to help you succeed in life.

Well, I never said they shouldn't be available. I said they shouldn't be required. If you're going into a field of work where you need it in life, by all means, take the class. If not, you shouldn't be forced. All my science classes always taught us what math we needed to know. It's a waste of time to sit there and learn everything when you only need to know a little bit of advanced math for use in science.

[magicfann]

students have the phobia of Math’s. Due to which they go into depression and sometime
it lead's to suicidal tendencies.

quite honestly if you commit suicide cuz of math i dont really think you should be living in the first place??

[mai_z]

^^that's dry.

I think part of the reason why people are forced to take upper year maths in high school, is because high schools try to create more well rounded people, and also help you keep your doors open. Like JakeKKing, after deciding what you want to do in highschool, there might be some point along the road tha tyou decide that music, or art, or whatever isn't for you. If you took that math, you may still have another door open for you.

p.s. math isn't just graphing. You learn a lot of things in math that you take for granted, but if you didn't learn, later on you'd figure that you should have learned a little more math.