Happy Seperation of Church and State Day Options

[lanbexx]

let us all take a moment to honor the fundamental principle of our government that the current administration is working so hard to preserve

[pyoon]

Why? This nation was initially settled with religous intent. What would be the fundamental principle of the current ruling state?

[Tyweezy]

Too much national holidays, is their one everyday or something?

[technicolour]

Okay this is just getting ridiculuos.

[NoSex]

Why? This nation was initially settled with religous intent. What would be the fundamental principle of the current ruling state?

This nation wasn't originally settled with religious intention, you dumb shit.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

Okay this is just getting ridiculuos.

Yeah, it really is.

[Jeng]

is everyday a holiday thingy?
worddddddddd.
happy sc and sd

[x_curse_of_the_c...]

yeah im starting to think there is a holiday everyday. lol. how did you find out that was today?

[mznikki]

yeah im starting to think there is a holiday everyday. lol. how did you find out that was today?

agreed. what do you have a calendar that shows each holiday every day?

[lanbexx]

no its actually navy day also

[HakunaMatata]

You know, just because every day is something, it doesn't mean you have to make a topic every frigging day.

[pyoon]

This nation wasn't originally settled with religious intention, you dumb shit.

Yes, I suppose the settlers of New England were not seeking and attempting to find a safe haven from the persecution they were getting from their current English government. As well as the Puritians who wanted to reform the Church of England in colonies they were soon to develope. But I guess you can argue between Plymouth and Virginia (I am assuming you know the difference between the two due to the bold comment you had made about my post on settling with religious intent), which was the first settlement. But either way dipshit, law and religion were incorporated together. Read up on the history of the country you reside in and don't make a fool out of yourself.

[radhikaeatsraman]

^Uhm, they didn't settle to create the US. They settled as a colony of England, which has a state religion. The founding of the United States happened way later. And the seperation of church and state is clearly recognized in the US Constitution.

[demolished]

I agreed with rawtheekuh.

Happy Seperation of Church and State Day

The idea of separation doesn’t surprise me. I'd learned that in my history class about, Greek/Roman's time. A philosopher mentioned about a system should not rule with religious beliefs.



I'm not clear about this. And, i dont know how to explain this. does anyone knows ?

[pyoon]

^Uhm, they didn't settle to create the US. They settled as a colony of England, which has a state religion. The founding of the United States happened way later. And the seperation of church and state is clearly recognized in the US Constitution.

They settled as a colony of England, which has a state religion. The pilgrims and puritans settled in the new continent as a means to break free from the restricted state religion of England. Religion played a great role in the Revolution by offering a moral sanction for the opposition of the British. I wasn't referring to the development of the country of US because for obvious reasons there are to be no ties between the government and religion. The constitution is a secular piece of writing. I was plainly referring to the settlement of the colonies as a nation-state (for that definition refer to Benedict Arnold's writting on nationalism and nation-states), that the colonies were formed under the basis of religion. And without such settlment you cannot notedly argue that there would even be an America today. Dip shits...

[koreansaga510]

wow... this shit is pretty funny..

i agree with pyoon BTW..

[demolished]

They settled as a colony of England, which has a state religion. The pilgrims and puritans settled in the new continent as a means to break free from the restricted state religion of England. Religion played a great role in the Revolution by offering a moral sanction for the opposition of the British. I wasn't referring to the development of the country of US because for obvious reasons there are to be no ties between the government and religion. The constitution is a secular piece of writing. I was plainly referring to the settlement of the colonies as a nation-state (for that definition refer to Benedict Arnold's writting on nationalism and nation-states), that the colonies were formed under the basis of religion. And without such settlment you cannot notedly argue that there would even be an America today. Dip shits...

calm down. she wasnt biting you.

[NoSex]

Yes, I suppose the settlers of New England were not seeking and attempting to find a safe haven from the persecution they were getting from their current English government. As well as the Puritians who wanted to reform the Church of England in colonies they were soon to develope. But I guess you can argue between Plymouth and Virginia (I am assuming you know the difference between the two due to the bold comment you had made about my post on settling with religious intent), which was the first settlement. But either way dipshit, law and religion were incorporated together. Read up on the history of the country you reside in and don't make a fool out of yourself.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=1772248

Don't be such a noob.
Let's take history out of Junior High, shall we?

Ahhh ha, people fleeing to America because of religious persecution! Ahhh ha ha! Wow.
Further, that those were the original settlers?! Ahhhh ha ha ha!

[pyoon]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=1772248

Don't be such a noob.
Let's take history out of Junior High, shall we?

Ahhh ha, people fleeing to America because of religious persecution! Ahhh ha ha! Wow.
Further, that those were the original settlers?! Ahhhh ha ha ha!

oh please... read up on your history. there is a difference between the first settlements of the americas and the development of the us as a country. and yes, the initial colonies had religion and law intermixed. and no, i don't remember junior high, it's been too long ago. take some history courses at your university.

not all fled from persecution but many of the first did.

in either case if i am right or wrong, i have a feeling that i am a lot more smarter and capable than you are. :)

[NoSex]

oh please... read up on your history. there is a difference between the first settlements of the americas and the development of the us as a country. and yes, the initial colonies had religion and law intermixed. and no, i don't remember junior high, it's been too long ago. take some history courses at your university.

Well, as far as your post implied, you were simply talking about the original settlement of the Americas. Further, our developement into an actual country is clearly a secular developement, very much seperated from religion. Our declaration of independence and our entire foundation as a democracy is based within the attitudes of the Age of Reason, not religiousity. We're talking Locke, not Luther.

not all fled from persecution but many of the first did.

Not really. The Puritans weren't exactly persecuted (at least not to the degree that they had to flee from their country), they wanted to persecute the catholics. They were zealots and simply wanted to convert England.

in either case if i am right or wrong, i have a feeling that i am a lot more smarter and capable than you are. :)

The irony of this statement is only amplified by the absurdity is rests upon. So, now we want to play argumentum ad hominem, eh?

You're sooooo convincing.

[*kryogenix*]

This nation wasn't originally settled with religious intention, you dumb shit.

DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? pyoon's an OG man...

[demolished]

Not really. The Puritans weren't exactly persecuted (at least not to the degree that they had to flee from their country), they wanted to persecute the catholics. They were zealots and simply wanted to convert England.

Are you sure?

Well, as far as your post implied, you were simply talking about the original settlement of the Americas. Further, our developement into an actual country is clearly a secular developement, very much seperated from religion. Our declaration of independence and our entire foundation as a democracy is based within the attitudes of the Age of Reason, not religiousity. We're talking Locke, not Luther.

agreed.



If the country wasn’t base on democracy, we wouldn’t have the senate, branches of governments, checks and balance, house of rep, and etc.



The Greek were base on democracy as well. The concept of balancing the power was very similar to US during that time.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

The idea of separation doesn’t surprise me. I'd learned that in my history class about, Greek/Roman's time. A philosopher mentioned about a system should not rule with religious beliefs.

I'm not clear about this. And, i dont know how to explain this. does anyone knows ?

Wasn't it Socrates? He was killed for corrupting the minds of the youth and not believing in the same Gods as the Athenians did. I'm not sure. I just started to learn this in Global..
Maybe it was Plato or one of Socrates' students/followers.

The Greek were base on democracy as well. The concept of balancing the power was very similar to US during that time.

Not exactly.. Right now, we vote for who represents us. Back then, the Athenians just voted for themselves.
And they had a council of all-male voters instead of the executive, judicial, and legislative branches we have today.
The Athenians set up the basic building blocks of democracy. They don't have a government as complex as ours.

[Spirited Away]

Why? This nation was initially settled with religous intent. What would be the fundamental principle of the current ruling state?

Why? Why not? What does the settlement of pilgrims and puritans have to do with not honoring Seperation of Church and State?

Are you saying that because this country was populated by those who seek religious freedom, we should not care about Seperation of Church and State?

The core idea (within this context) of settlement was, more precisely, for religious freedom rather than to say religious intent. Our government has not persecuted anyone for believing (or not believing) in God or gods, and "the Church" hasn't made any too-outrageous demands on the government (though I'm sure someone can argue this, haha). But, all in all, that's enough to say kudos for SC and SD day.

[*kryogenix*]

DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? pyoon's an OG man...

DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? pyoon's an OG man...

DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? pyoon's an OG man...

DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? pyoon's an OG man...

Can't argue with that logic.

[Spirited Away]

James, what happened to you, man?

O___O

[*kryogenix*]

James, what happened to you, man?

O___O

[Spirited Away]

*shiver*

I can't believe I read through that.

[pyoon]

READ THE F***ING HISTORY BOOKS!!!!!!! I READ MINE THE OTHER DAY.

AND I KEEP SAYING THE COLONIES (THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT), NOT THIS COUNTRY! TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

[Heathasm]

wow should this be moved to debate o.o

anyway
hizzah for the serperation of church and state

[NoSex]

READ THE F***ING HISTORY BOOKS!!!!!!! I READ MINE THE OTHER DAY.

AND I KEEP SAYING THE COLONIES (THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT), NOT THIS COUNTRY! TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

So, what exactly was the original settlement, eh?