cB Liberals Options

[*Libertie*]

Members:
Dani (Libertie)
Sammi (disco infiltrator)
James (I Shot JFK)
Radhika (rawtheekuh.)
ChaosPunx
Kimberly (happykmd)
Linda (sweetreat91)
Kiki (medikalxinjection)
Jon (xXYouMeBedNowXx)
Nicki (Statutes/Shadows)
Marco (forza)
Caitlin (Caitlinnn)
Ian (The E-Man)
Nate (Acid Bath Slayer)
Criss (Mistress Bags)
Beach (just another teenage dirtbag)
Jordi (Kurd Jam)
Liz (sporadic)
Michelle (insomniac)
Kaycee (kayceeisms)

Pieced together from a recent CBC convo:

The point of this is to promote intelligent discussion throughout the debate forum. Therefore, here we are, a gathering of all left-minded people who are interested in political discussion.

As a member of this club, you will be expected to:
- Represent the members of this club and other liberals by presenting your ideas in a tactful manner. We want to smash the stereotypes surrounding liberals by proving that we are capable of debating in a mature manner.
- Help to lead newcomers posting in the debate forum. Not only do we want it to be more active, but our hope is to get other people to see the way things are flowing and follow suit.
- Promote fair, intelligent, debate by researching your arguments before posting them.

In order to join, you do not have to share ALL of the ideas held by left-wingers, but if you find yourself to be more on the right side of the spectrum, this isn't the place for you. However, it would be ideal if any conservatives on the forum come together and make their own club.

Annd there you go. Be warned, I will be pretty much absent from this forum, so you guys have at it. >.<;;

[radhikaeatsraman]

My design skills are uber-limited, but I will be a proud member.

WE ARE THE LIBBYS. HEAR US ROAR!

[EddieV]

CreateBlog Republic shall be the guardian.

[demolished]

^
wtf? what do you mean?

[*Libertie*]

^
wtf? what do you mean?

He's been posting it in all the club threads, I think.

[*disco infiltrator*]

<<< MEMBER RIGHT HERE

I should be Prez, come on, I am clearly the most liberal...

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ as IF you are more liberal minded than i am. lol. my whole year took one of those pigeon hole con/lib quizes, and i wa shte most radical person in the entire group, left or right. huzzah!

and yes, sign me up.

[EddieV]

^
wtf? what do you mean?

Basically I'm the Security club, we make sure that everything runs smoothly in CB. Though I call it the CreateBlog Republic

[*Weird addiction*]

I think you should automatically add Nicki. Lmao.

[ChaosPunx]

Id Like to Join

[kimmytree]

Haha I'll join.

Being the only democrat kid in a private christian school, this is awesome.

[*Libertie*]

I think you should automatically add Nicki. Lmao.

LOL You're right, I'm just waiting for her to see this.

We have a nice little group to start out with, I'd say. I'm hoping we can bring more activity to the debate forum, if anything.

Sammi!!!!! :D

Soo, anyone graphically inclined? I'd make something but it'd be pretty boring.. *points to 88x15 buttons*

I hadn't thought about choosing leaders, and I certainly wouldn't want to do it myself, but if that's what everyone wants I wouldn't mind if we appointed someone.

[*I Shot JFK*]

i nominate me!

[*disco infiltrator*]

James, you don't even debate anymore.

[*I Shot JFK*]

*shrugs*

well then, its a good idea to encourage me to do so.

[*disco infiltrator*]

You can be Vice-Pres.

[*I Shot JFK*]

or, you could be vice-pres!

[*Weird addiction*]

Ok, so Nicki is going to be the president, and James, vice president. What about Sammi? She's f*cking good too.

I keep mistaking Sammi for Nicki. Crap!

[radhikaeatsraman]

I nominate myself for Secretary. Hellll yeah.

[*Libertie*]

So we have a President, a Vice President, and a Secretary. Haha.

LOL Sandra, I keep doing the same thing. Oh, and did you want in? And James, get on AIM!

[*Weird addiction*]

No, thanks. I'll only cause more drama. Lmao!

[Simba]

Everything looks organized and everything here.

Considering there isn't even a conservative club.

[*I Shot JFK*]

you could always make one.

[Simba]

^ I wouldn't be the one to make it.

[*Libertie*]

Okayy, after having a discussion in the chat I've given in and possibly made a compromise. *crosses fingers*

[radhikaeatsraman]

Jesus doesn't do politics.
But he's a closet liberal. YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT FROM ME.
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Other than that, here's a compromise. Dani can be president, James can be VP, and Sammi can have my secretarial position.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Feh!? Wait, where was I in this compromise?
You wouldn't even have a president if I didn't mention it.

Whatthehell. I'm the member in here who's been a liberal in the debate forum for the longest time. It only makes sense. I've been working for the CB Liberals for over two years. Come on.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Well, Sammi...
James was being extremely stubborn about being president as well. If we made either of you president, there would be drama. So by Dani being president, we've (hopefully) eliminated that.

edit: Actually, it's kind of sad how seriously everyone is taking this. Let's not have positions at all. That way, the entire group can pick up the slack. And that, my friends, is true liberalism.

[*Libertie*]

I figured since I did make the club you two wouldn't mind sharing the title.. Eh. Leadership, to an extent, is just that, a title. I want this to be mostly a group effort anyway. =\

Eh, so no arguing.

edit; Radhika, that was my original idea. If that's what everyone wants we can eliminate the positions altogether. You know, actually, for now, that's what I'll do. We'll make important decisions later after we've discussed them.

[radhikaeatsraman]

I will start.
Que pasa? Me llamo Radhika. Tengo 14 anos, y decidia era un liberal cuando tenia 10 o 11 anos. Que joven, no?

But really. I took a political compass test, and it put me in the left-leaning area. And I continued to follow those beliefs and started to align with them more and more as the years went along. Liberalism makes sense to me, and I agree with the stances that liberals take on a lot of issues, especially social ones.

[*I Shot JFK*]

for the record, i do not support the removal of positions. i know that will shock many to the very core, but do try to bare with me.

***

I have two socially liberal parents, which obviously shaped my opinions when i was younger, and as such didnt feel particularly 'liberal', but rather just normal.

However, when i moved back to england, i went to (and still attend) a hugely conservative private school, where my views were very much the minority. I therefore found myself challenged on a daily basis, particularly on issues such as civil liberties, animal rights, and gay rights.

I gravitated towards the school's debating team as an outlet for my views, and have been able to particiapte in several formal debates, making my way to captain this conming year, and winning individual commendations in several competitions as well as team victories, for instance being named 'best individual' in the region in the Debating Matters competition.

Furthermore, my liberalism has been heightened this year in terms of politcal awareness after i studied british politics this year, and will continue with american politics this coming year. from that, i have become a member of several pressure groups including Liberty Human Rights and Friends Of The Earth with additional volunteer work for Amnesty international, as well as joining the Liberal Democrat party recently, and i hope to be able to work as a campaigner in future elections.

I have also taken the cliched 'political comapss' style tests, and was placed as a cross between hilary clinton (i SWEAR i nearly typed hilarry duff there) and ghandi, as well as being the most radical person on either side of the spectrum to take a test which all politics students were given to complete, obviously on the side of liberalism.

admittedly i havent participated actively in the debate forum at cb recently, although i have in the last couple of days, and hope to increase it if organizations (lol) such as this increase the level of debate on the forum.

***

oh, and i will make agressive whiney sounds at dani if i dont win.

= )

[no-name]

I would like to join

[radhikaeatsraman]

I support the removal of positions.
COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP FTW.

[xXYouMeBedNowXx]

I'd like in. Need any points, I'm all up for it.

[smoke]

I'm not a liberal, but I vote Sammi, lol. I don't do the straight ticket, haha.

Mind if someone makes a Conservative thread? I don't want to "steal your idea" or anything. I'm pretty much 50-50. I see good in both parties. What good is left in them anyway.

[*Libertie*]

I'm not a liberal, but I vote Sammi, lol. I don't do the straight ticket, haha.

Mind if someone makes a Conservative thread? I don't want to "steal your idea" or anything. I'm pretty much 50-50. I see good in both parties. What good is left in them anyway.

I don't mind at all if someone does that. Go right ahead.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

I think you should automatically add Nicki. Lmao.

Why..?

LOL You're right, I'm just waiting for her to see this.

Ah, well I'm seeing now. Congrats, you're now the second club I've been sucked into (sorry Harry Potter came first).

I can't right things now. It's past midnight, so the light's out. If I tried, my typing'd be worse than James'.

[*Libertie*]

<3333 Nicki, hii. *adds you to the list*

And don't worry about incoherent typing, it can't be any worse than me when I've only had two hours of sleep and I still can't tear myself away from cB..

[forza]

Sign me up? I'm Marc.

And we don't have to soil our signature with OMGZ LEFT-LEANING LAWLZ!!!!!, do we?

[*I Shot JFK*]

well, if you elect me leared, i promise no signature marring.

(lolz)

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just to clarify, i dont think we particularly need leaders either. i've just got it into my head tha i want to be one.

[*Weird addiction*]

Why..?

Duh! Debate freak.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Ahhh

[*disco infiltrator*]

I haven't taken the political compass yet. Link?

[radhikaeatsraman]

Political Compass Test



And no, Marco (can I call you that?), you don't have to. But it would be nice if you could put a small link in there.

[*I Shot JFK*]

thinga about the politcal compass irritate me, for instance

Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care .

well, i believe that people with mor emoney SHOULD use private health care, but not because it is some sort of 'right', but rather to take the weight off of the NHS so that those with less income can be provided with optimum health care.

i suppose that is what i get for taking a test designed for americans... sigh.

what also bothers me is that people take those tests and answer in order to get the response they want. for instance, to answer 'strongly agree' on the left, when maybe they mean agree, so they can say that they look really liberal, or whatever.

oh, and my friend took that and got told she was darth vader. it was funny.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Oh, hm, I think this is a different polical compass things than I've taken before.

James, why would someone try to make themselves look more liberal? I'm actually honest, because I'm genuinely interested in seeing what I get. Last time, I was actually surprised at just how liberal my results were.

Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.

What the hell? Who is this "us"?

Yeah, this is definitely not the same one I took before. I prefered the way the results were shown on the other one. I'll have to find the link.

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

Here's the other link. I like this one better. http://www.okcupid.com/politics

[*Libertie*]

what also bothers me is that people take those tests and answer in order to get the response they want. for instance, to answer 'strongly agree' on the left, when maybe they mean agree, so they can say that they look really liberal, or whatever.

I know what you mean, sometimes people get it in their heads that they're liberal and want to try to one-up each other by proving that they're "more liberal" - so they cheat on the test. Stupid, in my opinion. Most people aren't going to be so far left they're falling over on EVERY SINGLE issue.

The tests aren't always very accurate, either. Some of the questions are kind of vague, it just barely scratches the surface, really. It's fun to take them, though. XD

PS I'd like it if we all put something in our signatures so we'd be recognized throughout the debate forum as members of this club. It's not mandatory, of course.

[forza]

Political Compass Test



And no, Marco (can I call you that?), you don't have to. But it would be nice if you could put a small link in there.

Yeah, I can do that, and I don't mind if you call me by my name

And here's my political compass, so I think I belong in this group:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

EDIT// That test is pretty good... I'm a card-carrying Libertarian and it pinned the nail on the head.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Just for the record

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

[xoxo_proud]

Count me in!

[innovation]

How do you define "left"? Left/right on the political compass only includes economic issues... perhaps we should divide the CB political community into quadrants.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Mindy, we're "left" as in we're social and/or economic liberals. That's our stance.

[innovation]

The American definition of economic liberalism is a bit twisted..

[forza]

The definition of 'liberalism' is skewed in its own right, anyway..

Classic liberalism, economic liberalism, neo-liberalism; who gives a shit? I take liberal to mean the belief that labor is regarded above corporatism, regulation is strategic, not undemocratic, and government say-so in our personal lives is (pretty much) never justified.

Are there really any other bases to cover in today's world?

PS -- am I a member, or?

[*I Shot JFK*]

yeah, you will be, once someone updates the thread.

and mindy! hooray for mindyisms!

[*Weird addiction*]

Do your heads hurt sometimes, you know, due to overTHINKING?

[oXMuhNirvanaXo]

Do your heads hurt sometimes, you know, due to overTHINKING?

I cant think hard it makes my head hurt.. or maybe thats just me.. I bet there brains always hurt. Thats none of my busness though.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

Damn. I got a less extreme result before. =/

[*Libertie*]

Well, right now there isn't even a conservative club, so while "left" may be extremely vague, we don't all have to agree on every issue.

I'll add the new members now. And still, anyone interested in making a sig?

You know what would be cool? If we had a webpage somewhere that had a little mini profile for each member, a quick reference for everyone's stance on certain big issues. Eh. I've been thinking too much, but yeah.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ that WOULD be fun!

[*disco infiltrator*]

Sig:

[innovation]

^ I like it!

[radhikaeatsraman]

That's a really cool banner, Sammi!
But I believe one of our members is a Libertarian. :[

[*disco infiltrator*]

Do they have an animal?

[*I Shot JFK*]

you don tknow about the libertarian lobster?

[jShipp]

[sarahcastro]

i'll become a member i'm good at at making tutorials

[radhikaeatsraman]

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2443/i6076jk8.jpg

Do you have anything thoughtful to add instead of just some liberal-bashing photo?

[*Libertie*]

Mm. Gonna add Sammi's banner to my signature.

[jShipp]

Do you have anything thoughtful to add instead of just some liberal-bashing photo?

Yes if fact I do. It's sad to see so many young people call them self liberal, left-winged, a democrat, etc. It's sad because liberals just run around whining about problems but really don't do anything to fix them. They just blame others for the problems...That's a good message for today's young people. Also the democratic party supports abortion aka the killing of a developing human being. They also want to use taxpayers ' hard earned money to develop ridiculous gun control policies when they should be focusing on the real cause of crime...the criminal.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ would it be member bashing to tell this guy he is a fucktard?

no?

oh good!

fucktard.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Yes if fact I do. It's sad to see so many young people call them self liberal, left-winged, a democrat, etc. It's sad because liberals just run around whining about problems but really don't do anything to fix them. They just blame others for the problems...That's a good message for today's young people. Also the democratic party supports abortion aka the killing of a developing human being. They also want to use taxpayers ' hard earned money to develop ridiculous gun control policies when they should be focusing on the real cause of crime...the criminal.

Hm. Well, let's see the definition of a liberal--
Liberal:
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Using both those definitions, we could call Martin Luther King, Jr. a liberal. We could call the Founding Fathers of the USA liberals. We could also call Mahatma Gandhi a liberal. We could even call Jesus Christ a liberal.

It's sad because liberals just run around whining about problems but really don't do anything to fix them.

Sounds a lot like MLK Jr, no? Is that why we have the Civil Rights Act and other laws to protect minorities against racism in the USA? Is that why Christianity is one of the biggest religions in the world today? Is that why India is independent?
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And yes, James, that is member bashing.

jShipp: We're actually looking for someone to make a conservatives thread, so please do so.

[jShipp]

We could call the Founding Fathers of the USA liberals.

I agree with that statement but the thing is liberal ideals have changed from then and now. Liberals in the past made a lot more sense and were smart in the past...but today's Democratic party can't even be compared to the Democratic party from the past.

jShipp: We're actually looking for someone to make a conservatives thread, so please do so.

Sounds good to me.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Of course. Today's Democratic party is an absolute joke, I'll give you that. Which is why not everyone in this club is a Democrat. Liberal ideals will always change & adapt with the times, though. Change is the essence of liberalism.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Liberal =/= Democrat.

Hell, I ain't even a yankee, so you cant tar me with that brush.

And furthermore, even if you wished to do so, i would observe that a Republican party who are seemingly sucking the dicks of the extreme religious right with no rhyme or reason, lead by a president who has completely drifted off into lala land because he knows he will be forever unpopular and doesnt have to worry about being releceted is hardly in much better shape.

= )

[goodcharlotte]

I would like to join the left-leaning club!

[Mr. Slowjamz]

ok like, im right minded ...but im left handed ...but i could also think left handed . can i still join ? im very liberal, but i take conservative moral values as well in different perspectives .

Liberal =/= Democrat.

Hell, I ain't even a yankee, so you cant tar me with that brush.

And furthermore, even if you wished to do so, i would observe that a Republican party who are seemingly sucking the dicks of the extreme religious right with no rhyme or reason, lead by a president who has completely drifted off into lala land because he knows he will be forever unpopular and doesnt have to worry about being releceted is hardly in much better shape.

= )

there are many reasons as too why people seem bush doesnt have great policies ....the media also effects that . greatly.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

^no, that hardly counts, though I'm left handed too.

Liberal =/= Democrat.

Hell, I ain't even a yankee, so you cant tar me with that brush.

And furthermore, even if you wished to do so, i would observe that a Republican party who are seemingly sucking the dicks of the extreme religious right with no rhyme or reason, lead by a president who has completely drifted off into lala land because he knows he will be forever unpopular and doesnt have to worry about being releceted is hardly in much better shape.

= )

HAHAHAHA

[NoSex]

Here's a late proposal: Add me. I'm a liberal.

[Tired of being a lone gunman.]
[Bang! Bang!]

[*Libertie*]

Mark, if you're liberal with conservative moral values, you can still join. You don't have to always side with us on every issue. Why don't you decide which club is more suitable for you and get back with us?

Nate, never ever ever too late. Glad to have you.

[smoke]

BOO! YOU GUYS ARE GOING DOWN! YOU ALL ARE.... STUPID!

Aw, of course I'm just kidding. Most of my friends are liberals, haha.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Ew, James, you're right; it is really irritating to have the current events forum in debate's spot.

[innovation]

Yeah, I still think that quadrants would be more appropriate, especially if everyone's using that "political compass" quiz to determine his/her stance.

[*Libertie*]

I wouldn't mind that, but considering the number of active posters in the debate forum I assumed that it'd be easiest to start out with what we currently have. I realize there's much more to it than just a horizontal line, but I don't and never did expect to fully align with everyone in this club. We're all going to have different opinions on many issues, but those who have chosen to join feel that they relate more closely with liberals and left-minded individuals. I don't want to nitpick, I'd just rather have a couple of large, diverse groups than several small groups that are perfectly precise.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

My school banned Wikipedia, and I spent a large amount of government class arguing over how ridiculous it is.

[*Libertie*]

That is really stupid.. And I've heard of students getting in trouble for plagiarism or not using a valid source if they cited Wikipedia.

Did they mention why it was banned, or did it just happen (which is most often the case)?

[*Statues/Shadows*]

When you go to the address, it says it's blocked because of "general pornography."

Yeah, what the hell?

[*I Shot JFK*]

lol. general porn!

that is ludicrous... i wouldnt be able to do half my sanish reports without copying and pasting from the spanish version! how inconsiderate!

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Jenn tried to argue with me that they banned it because the information is false, but a) most of it isn't wrong, b) do I not have the right to decide for myself whether something is true or not? am I not just doing so at my own risk?, and c) if they're really going to ban every website that contains some false information, there's going to be very few that are still allowed.

[*I Shot JFK*]

the information being user provided doesnt equate to it being false... i could make a massiver entry on, say, buffy, and it would all be true...

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Does anyone else have the ad at the bottom of the page selling "Kerry Sucks" and "Bin Laden" Sucks" t-shirts from conservativeposts.us? Because it's really distressing.

I'm aware. And had Jenn not been sitting all the way on the other side of the room, I likely would have made that point, but the teacher intervenes. I've spent most of her class thus far talking to Paige and arguing any point made that I don't happen to agree with (we went over our tests today, so it happened a lot), and I can't tell whether she likes me for participating or is just annoyed by me. I think I've finally completely overcome that whole shyness from talking in class thing, and you may have had a point about people wanting me to go back into my shell, because I have a feeling that I'm really acting quite a bit like you.
Wait- "massiver"?

[*I Shot JFK*]

random 'r' on the end of a word. oops.

lol. oh god, if there were another one of me... i love participating in class. i had SO many arguments with mr bates last year... about the morality of big brother, and so forth.

oh. and about left wing issues. yes. on topic. yes.

[*disco infiltrator*]

We're not allowed to use Wikipedia on our reports at my school either. It's "not a valid source" because anyone can contribute to it...but they do have moderators who make sure the information posted is correct and if not, they post a little warning at the top.

[*mipadi*]

We're not allowed to use Wikipedia on our reports at my school either. It's "not a valid source" because anyone can contribute to it...but they do have moderators who make sure the information posted is correct and if not, they post a little warning at the top.

They're not really moderators per se, because anyone can watch an article, and anyone can post warnings at the tops of articles with invalid information.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Whatever, I meant that if someone posts something blatantly wrong, those who are dedicated members of the site will make sure it isn't there.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

I can understand not being able to use is as a source, but that still doesn't justify blocking it. For our summer reading, my language arts teacher recognized that most of us used Wikipedia as a convenient reference on the books and time period, but he said he was fine with it, so long as we didn't try to use it on real papers where we actually have to cite our sources.

[Mistress Bags]

I want to join!

[timeflies51]

I'm a moderate liberal.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

"16 moderate liberal minds..."

I love the Decemberists

[/irrelevant post]

[*I Shot JFK*]

^

me too!

good song!

in fact, my second favourite decemberist song.