What's Wrong With Rap? Options

[sillakilla220]

ok... first lets get all the cliche`s out the way....

- too much violence
- disrespects women
-cusses too much
- videos have too much ass-shaking

but this doesnt apply to all rap so im just wondering - what do ppl really have against rap music?

[*Blow_Don't_SUCK*]

Well most people are against rapping because of vulgarity but there are lot of other genres with "deep" meanings.

I am against rap because I don't find it....entertaining. I loathe it and I don't think of it as much, more like...people talking with a melody/rythm in the background.

[sillakilla220]

so then you are against mainstream rap? rap as a whole covers many forms... gangsta, underground, poetic, pop, south, chopped and screwed, lyrical... i just think lots of ppl talk shit regardin rap cuz they only talk about the shit thats on the radio which is pretty stupid cuz i dont even like that shit

[*Blow_Don't_SUCK*]

^I've heard underground too and I don't like it. Just not my taste...

[sillakilla220]

i like music with girls who are hot in videos

[*Blow_Don't_SUCK*]

^Really? Avenged Sevenfold isn't a rap band and they have girls stripping in their videos. I don't know why you don't like them, after that statement.

[sillakilla220]

when have i said i didnt like avenged sevenfold

[*Blow_Don't_SUCK*]

Oh so you like Avenged Sevenfold eh? From your post it sounded like you stereotyped rap artists to have strippers in every video. I just wanted to make sure you knew about those other rock bands who have strippers....per say can you name others?

[sillakilla220]

why would i stereotype rap artists when that is so false its ridiculous to even think that you would believe i had that idea

[radhikaeatsraman]

The reason people don't like rap is because people don't understand the culture that it's derived from. The fact is, mainstream rap is what most people hear, though it's a false representation of what hip-hop is really all about. If millions of people are watching a 50 Cent video with a ton of girls shaking their asses and degrading themselves while 50 talks about shooting a place up, that's not exactly going to make people say, "Hey, maybe there's better rap out there!"

The reason it's being represented poorly is because most people making these rap records don't understand the culture themselves. (Read: Old white guys rule the world.) 50 Cent's a former drug dealer. Never was he an aspiring MC. (Though it's just one example, most mainstream artists did aspire to be MCs before they made it big.)

[*chaneun*]

Well, you definately disrespect woman. You use profanity too much. You seem interested in "ass shaking." Are you rap?

[nothing_plus_thi...]

i like rap.

but, not the "newer" stuff. it's too...too....i dunno. i just can't get used to the newer artists. they annoy me.

or the real "old skool" stuff. i respect it. but, it's ... too cheesy? for me.

i like tupac, bone thugs, outkast (ATLiens era), fugees, puff daddy & bad boy artists (when he was still puff daddy -- he and mase made me happy), etc.

and i can also stand to listen to some of the GOOD underground rap that's being put out today.

so. i don't have anything against rap besides being annoyed by specific artists. yeah, it's vulgar. yeah, it degrades women. but, there is talent there. if you sort through all the bullshit, there's some really talented writers and whatnot. and besides, it's fun to listen to. aha. :]

[EddieV]

I'm just going to put my 2 Cents. Every type of music has their ups and downs. So you can't just stereotype one genre. When rock was first introduced, there was much controversy with rock music just as well as rap music. Pop music had it's era as controversy as well. (Britney Spears)

[sadolakced acid]

personal preference.

yea, my friend once told you "you just hate black people music, don't you"

because i don't like hip hop or R and B or anything like that.

why? i think it sucks. i'm allowed to, right.

[*CrackedRearView*]

The only thing wrong with rap is that it's a genre of music. People could say that's what's wrong with alternative rock, punk rock, country music, etc, etc. They're genres -- not everyone is going to like every genre.

[cheerbee07]

The only thing wrong with rap is that it's a genre of music. People could say that's what's wrong with alternative rock, punk rock, country music, etc, etc. They're genres -- not everyone is going to like every genre.

well said.
personally, i don't like [most but not all] rap because a lot of it sounds like other rap songs.
there are some catchy rap songs though, and i do admit to listening to it while around my friends (because some of them really like it). it's not like i actively hunt down rap though...just a personal preference i suppose.

[*mipadi*]

well said.
personally, i don't like [most but not all] rap because a lot of it sounds like other rap songs.

As if most of the songs in pop, rock, and country sound completely different from one another.

[sadolakced acid]

well, rock has sub-genres. ska, punk-rock, heavy metal, emo, etc.

does rap have these? gangsta, oldschool?

[radhikaeatsraman]

well, rock has sub-genres. ska, punk-rock, heavy metal, emo, etc.

does rap have these? gangsta, oldschool?

Of course. There's tons of different subgenres of hip-hop.

[sadolakced acid]

but i thought we were talking about rap

[sillakilla220]

but i thought we were talking about rap

rap and hip hop are interchangeable depending on who is talking

[Paradox of Life]

rap and hip hop are interchangeable depending on who is talking

I thought rap was a subgenre of hip-hop... Hip-hop covers reggae and R&B and stuff like that, right? Well, I don't think this is a very good debate because rap is just a genre of music. People have preferences about music and a lot of people just don't like rap and don't find it entertaining.

[hi-C]

In my opinion, hip-hop is the culture and rapping is an element of it, but as sillakilla said, the two are used interchangably to refer to the music.

[*disco infiltrator*]

No one thinks there's something "wrong" with all rap; people just don't like it. It's simple.

[IceCream4U]

personally, i don't like [most but not all] rap because a lot of it sounds like other rap songs.
there are some catchy rap songs though, and i do admit to listening to it while around my friends (because some of them really like it). it's not like i actively hunt down rap though...just a personal preference i suppose.

Yeah, its very much the same for me.
All of my life before I went to middle school, I listened to country. It was country, country, and more country. Whenever my friends would be singing a rap/hip hop song, I would be really embarassed because I only knew like two or three words. Then I decided that I should look up the lyrics and just listen to the songs over and over again, and now I absolutely love rap and hip hop.

Actually, I think I like hip hop better. I LOVE LOVE LOVVVE rap, the only problem is that I wanna sing it, but I can't!! Haha, just the words are comin` and goin` too fast!! Mainly I like the type of rap that isn't really gangsterish, except for some songs like Soul Survivor. My favorite rap songs:

Grillz
Run It
Hotel
I'm in Luv with a Stripper


And those are just a couple. But mainly, I think hip-hop is a lot better, no gangstas in that genre

[*CrackedRearView*]

Actually, I think I like hip hop better. I LOVE LOVE LOVVVE rap, the only problem is that I wanna sing it, but I can't!! Haha, just the words are comin` and goin` too fast!! Mainly I like the type of rap that isn't really gangsterish, except for some songs like Soul Survivor. My favorite rap songs:

Akon and Young Jeezy aren't as 'gangsterish' as you might think.

[IceCream4U]

^^Oops, I think I meant:

I mainly like the type of rap that isn't gangsterish, like Soul Survivor.

Haha, I don't even know what I was thinking!!

[ecargnmyst]

i just dont rap b/c it stupid and disrespects women and all the other cliche...the only rap artist i really like/respect is eminem...b/c he has deeper meanings in his lyrics other than the above...i havent heard any non mainstream rappers tho..except for jurassic 5..

[hiromi]

Nothing is wrong with rap in my opinion. Why, I actually listen to some (though I'm not a big fan). I guess society just has a negative view on it due to the fact that all these famous artists are singing about drugs, drive-bys and sex. I guess it's their own fault that rap is looked down upon so much. It's hard to find a popular rap song with love and peace nowadays.

[sillakilla220]

i just dont rap b/c it stupid and disrespects women and all the other cliche...the only rap artist i really like/respect is eminem ...b/c he has deeper meanings in his lyrics other than the above...i havent heard any non mainstream rappers tho..except for jurassic 5..

OMG!!! are u serious? you don't like rap b/c it disrespects women yet you like eminem - an aritst who has repeatedly rapped about killing his wife, and various other women in general, and even has 2 songs dedicated to the murder of his wife too! You will not be regarded seriously for the rest of the debate now as you have just proven yourself far too incompetent. please be educated on the topic before being ignorant

[insanityislaughi...]

I don't believe there is anything wrong with rap. I just don't prefer to listen to the rap music that deals with sex, drugs, and violence, and singing about other...unmeaningful things. I do enjoy rap that has a little...flair, with something that really hits me deep. Such as...When the Music Stops. I think that's by Eminem and some other rappers? Great song. Rap isn't just about sex, drugs, and violence, it can have deeper meanings. I think it's very close-minded to say you hate all rap, considering there are so many different kinds of rap.

And good point, sillakilla220, but I think what ecargnmyst was trying to say was that Eminem has some songs that have deeper meanings. Then again, a lot of rappers have songs about drugs, sex, and violence, and then also have songs with deeper meanings. Meh.

It's just a shame that people go off and say they hate a huge genre of music, when they should listen to all subcategories of it before they label it as "stupid". Seriously, do your research. Don't hate.

[sillakilla220]

It's just a shame that people go off and say they hate a huge genre of music, when they should listen to all subcategories of it before they label it as "stupid". Seriously, do your research. Don't hate.

this is the precise point i wanted to make with this thread. if you don't like a few songs or artists of a genre as diversified as rap thats cool but to make generalized hate comments is just stupid

[*CrackedRearView*]

^

So who are you mad at? The people that make generalized comments or the people that justify the fact that they don't like rap/hip-hop because it doesn't suit their tastes?

[sillakilla220]

im not mad at anyone damn kid u are like my f**kin shadow huntin me down in each thread to post some senseless garbage

[IceCream4U]

Hmm, I just got a new insight into this. New perspective. Lets say, I looked through the window from the outside.

Maybe, when rappers have songs about sex/drugs/violence etc etc, maybe they're trying to get the listener to think the purpose of the song is to enourage them to not do those kinda things.

I don't know. Just a thought.

[EddieV]

^ If that is so, it's not really working too well, don't forget they also want to sell, and what sells? Sex.

[*Zatanna*]

No one thinks there's something "wrong" with all rap; people just don't like it. It's simple.

Took the words right out of my mouth (out of my fingers?). I don't know anyone who *hates* rap for the reasons listed in the first post. I'm sure there are people who do, but mostly it's a taste thing. (Not that rap is indicative of bad taste, just that people have different tastes in music)

[IceCream4U]

^^I aggree with you totally. Its like metal rock - I absolutely hate it, but others love it. It just depends on your taste in music. Just because some people hate it doesn't mean that its the ABSOLUTELY WORST GENRE IN MUSIC LIKE EVER!!! `Cuz there aint one!


Or like cheesecake. Some people like it, others don't. It just depends on your tastebuds. But in this debate, its just your..uh..ears taste?

[*CrackedRearView*]

im not mad at anyone damn kid u are like my f**kin shadow huntin me down in each thread to post some senseless garbage

Well, you're the one of the only members on createBlog that constantly manages to post boorishly enough to warrant my attention.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

[sillakilla220]

nah regardless of how much ppl might hate it im still gon bump it i was jus curious to see wat everyone's beef is on the genre... to say u hate the shit u see on music videos is understandable but i would hope noone bases their decision on such a limited source of what the genre has to offer. i wanted to air it out and see what kind of responses i got

Well, you're the one of the only members on createBlog that constantly manages to post boorishly enough to warrant my attention.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

to warrant your attention? thank you for deeming me worthy to be noticed almighty createblogger, u are a funny kid but u dont wanna take it there

[Paradox of Life]

^ But it's true ... you are extremely obnoxious and I'm really surprised that a mod hasn't warned you yet.

And don't get mad at other peoples' opinions. Some people like rap, some people don't. And you can't convince them otherwise. Which is why I think this is a pointless debate...

[*CrackedRearView*]

almighty createblogger

You gradually make less and less sense.

[sillakilla220]

^ But it's true ... you are extremely obnoxious and I'm really surprised that a mod hasn't warned you yet.

And don't get mad at other peoples' opinions. Some people like rap, some people don't. And you can't convince them otherwise. Which is why I think this is a pointless debate...

i'm not trying to debate that everyone should love rap music that was never the intention, i guess if u actually read the original question i just asked what ppl had against it. and i said earlier i'm not mad at anyone, why would i get mad that someone doesnt like the same music as me?

BUT wat i do wanna say is for all the criticism rap gets gotta love how the media has embraced it. hip hop flavor is everywhere nowadays u can't go anywhere w/o seeing its influence... if u think this is so u are living in an isolated environment cuz its in anythin from tv to radio to advertising to movies

[Spirited Away]

im not mad at anyone damn kid u are like my f**kin shadow huntin me down in each thread to post some senseless garbage

Justin is the (other) White Ninja and has perfected the art of shadowing people and posting sense... don't you know?

(for those who didn't get it, no, I didn't forget "less" in "senseless")

[EddieV]

Justin's the White Ninja and I'm the Legend Killer.

[Spirited Away]

Says you Eddie! I'm the Legend Killer's Killer! Hah!

[jue]

If iwere to choose between which genre of music, i'm pretty sure that rap wouldnt be my choice. Not cause of the langauge and images in their video's. But it just doesn't suit me. I mean the beats and everything are nice and what not, but it's just not me. I think others are disliking rap and its genre because of what they "think" its like. If the majority of shows on tv show rap as 50 cent & etc. of course many are gonna have a like a negative tought on rap. But rap as a whole is not just 50 cent kinda music. The people who dislike rap and haven't heard the other types, need to actually hear songs from Tupac, Kanye West and such. They're rap artist's also but their songs have different meanings to them. Not just about drugs, girls and stuff like that. 50 cent type of rap is not me. But if i wanted to, i could last with kanye west type of songs.

[Yemmerz]

Meh, we had this discussion in my class one day, and also at a county meeting with adults.

At the meeting, adults hated it because they said it was all about sex, money, and drugs. This fact is true. If you turn on the radio to a rap station, you probably will hear something about hustlin, f**king some hoe, and other stuff like that. But the thing people always seem to f**k up is what rap is. Rap was to inform the world about what their hood is like. So if in the hood, they say nigga, then they're gonna say nigga in their song. It only makes sense. Yeah, I'm black, but I hate new school rap, cos it's some shit. No one is original anymore, and it's all about the beef with someone else. Hip Hop is rap, rap is not a genre. Hip hop is a life style, not some dumb fad that allows any one to wear Jordans and a Northface and think they're really ghetto. People have taken hip hop and defaced it to what most people hate now.

Go google some old school rap. Real rap. Not that Young Jeezy shit, or whatever people listen to.

[*Teenage Mutant Ninja Meg*]

I like some rap, though a lot of it is really tasteless. Especially the song "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" which won an academy... goodness, who were the judges this year?

[Crich323]

I think some people don't like it because they don't understand it. Some words are too fast to understand and I think that it just frustrates some of the people who listen to it.
I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.

[x1049]

rap with a real message, real emotion, real poetry = fine by me.

rap with "all my bitches and hoes, up in my crib, drinking bacardi, as if it were thier birthday", "gangstas", "bling", "ice", saying that rape and shooting is ok and is part of a real man's life = shut the f**k up.

[vash1530]

every genre of music has brainless lyrics, sad to say, and rap is no exception. but for all the "G-units" and "dipset"s theres a JMD or a C.A.D.E.T.S. the hip-hop scene, like other types of music, is become commercialized, which is what we witness when we hear these despicably untalented "artists". Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it as hip hop has given its soul to corporate america, making the brainless puppets that you hear on your radios rise to the top, and the real talent of the industry, sadly sink to the bottom.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

i think rap is just fast talking with music in the background. i like rock wayyy better.

BUT rap isn't always about sex and drugs. just only in the US. other countries have rap music about politics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4950692.stm

[xforgottenlove]

mmm for me, i know there are some pretty good rap writers out there. but i don't really find rap all that interesting cuhz to me, it's not music and it's sorta pointless to listen to, considering how a lot of rappers rap extremely fast and you can't understand what they're trying to say anyways..

[emazing]

I honestly don't know what to add on to that list, but you've pretty much covered it. A few rap songs aren't all that bad, like 'Best Friend' by Diddy, a couple of songs by Will Smith, or 'Jesus Walks' by Kanye West. It all depends on how you look at the song, really. Best Friend talks about Diddy's relationship with God, and how God has helped him to succeed and gave Diddy faith in God even when things were going rough. Jesus Walks deals with religion as well; there definitely isn't any booty-shaking in those two music videos.

Of course, there are some pretty bad rap videos out there, with nothing but girls, cars, and grillz [how repetitive]. Those are the sort of rap songs that make some of the actually detailed and expressive raps look bad.

[acid_high]

People don't like rap becaause they don't understand the history. They just think rap is what they see on the T.V when it's not. I can't put my finger on why people hate rap yet they love bands like rancid where the lead singer is rapping it's odd to me. rap isn't always about sex and drugs there's rappers like common and mos def wjo rap about life you just have to look for it

[LilPiggi3]

Why do i dislike rap? I think there are other ways express one's anger besides colorful language in rap songs. I already hear enough eff words in school and from 10 year olds mouths, I don't want to hear it from music.

[magicfann]

Yemmerz f**king wins this thread, close please. (in this case disregard my signature)

[vash1530]

all the points trashinng rap are from pl with so little knowledge of it. like i said, the "rap" on th radio is commercialized and shud be put in the pop music category. standards are very low: all you havr to do is rhyme the last syllable and ur golden...

[magicfann]

all the points trashinng rap are from pl with so little knowledge of it. like i said, the "rap" on th radio is commercialized and shud be put in the pop music category. standards are very low: all you havr to do is rhyme the last syllable and ur golden...

the rap on the radio really isnt that good anymore
cept for like 3 songs

[Simba]

^ Agreed.

I actually like old school rap better.

[*This Confession*]

most people probably don't like rap because its not their taste.
i can't stand it personally
it gives me a headache

No one thinks there's something "wrong" with all rap; people just don't like it. It's simple.

i agree with that..

[msladyliberty]

I agree with what you've listed...as too what rap music has been portrayed.

I like rap...just not all of it. Some of it is degrading...like for instance,

I'm a big fan of p. diddy...but after he said one line in his "I need a girl" song:

"Asian women be changing my linen.." I was like...

It's stuff like that...that make it hard for me to be a hard-core listener.

I like reggae music instead. Some of it can be degrading...but most of it is uplifting!
I guess rap is a tool that most people use to make a statement...or flaunt their money and what not.

[sillakilla220]

gimmie a break... u guys read into music too much. yeah they do degrade women but thats usually in their club songs that they put on the radio or harder sh*t they go on... the same dudes that say songs like that turn around and record how much they love their girl or sh*t like that... its not as one-sided as everyone makes it seem its just an easy cliche to point to but do yur research

[typh-a-knee]

ha ok.
Let me speak my peace on this since, I rap/sing.

I honestly believe that out of every genre of music with the exception of country, hip-hop today is the most pathetic excuse for music EVER

It's just so damn frail

I get tired of listening to it, and even though I try not to contribute to the repetative garbage, I get tired of participating in a genre thats just so corny


For the first time in the history of america, there is no music that black people can be proud of

None

Of course there are good artists, specific artists, such as mos def and little brother, but as far as a movement, as far as whats being PUT OUT, there is almost nothing


we've lost our soul, our consciousness, our meaning, our essence


everything that went into the forms of music that we cultivated has been lost


from the deep significance of slave spirituals, to the blues, the jazz, to rock n roll, to reggae, to early hiphop


it's all gone with the bullshit that y'all support today


when hiphop first started, up to about a decade ago, it was a music that we could hold for ourselves,and be PROUD of


when outsiders tried to step on it, we could be proud of it, and say, hey, this is hip-hop, we love it, and its our message, its our cry for help, its all we have, its us telling you how we live, and the struggles we go through


when critics tried to censor hip-hop, we could stand up and defend it


we could say, you can't censor hip-hop, yeah the messages are rough, yeah the messages are gritty, but its just the built up pain from the harsh urban life style, its just what goes on in the streets, and we have to be heard too

people started to respect hip-hop as an art form


because even though it was hard, it was still productive in the message and as an outlet



but now, what do we have?


Laffy Taffy

f**king Laffy Taffy



how the hell do i defend Laffy Taffy? or the other hundreds of songs like it?


how do i explain to somebody the significance of an art form where the most popular song is Laffy Taffy?


you can't



but on some real sh*t, i've been on a retreat from rap for a couple weeks, going onto a month actually, only rapper I listen too is myself.

[AngryBaby]

but now, what do we have?


Laffy Taffy

f**king Laffy Taffy



how the hell do i defend Laffy Taffy? or the other hundreds of songs like it?


how do i explain to somebody the significance of an art form where the most popular song is Laffy Taffy?


you can't

it signifizes how far we've come through the hard times.

its an epic song that displays how we got through our troubles and tribulations.

and how we can now shake our "Laffy Taffy" freely and get white people to buy anything. :D

[typh-a-knee]

it signifizes how far we've come through the hard times.

hiphop itself is supposed to signify how far we've come through hard times
how we've gone from slave music, to something that every damn race can jam too
it's supposed to be our pride
our way of saying we made it
how the hell are we showing that with songs that have no significance whatsoever?

[Terror]

There is nothing wrong with rap.
Theres plenty of wrong with commercial rap.
All that "shawty shawty crunk crunk get low g unit" sh*t gets old, and frankly, its stupid.
Listen to some Immortal Technique, his shits real.
It'll enlighten you.

[typh-a-knee]

Immortal Technique isn't even all that underground anymore.
Too many people listen to the kid. And he needs some new material.
Listen to some MF Doom, and Some 9th wonder and LB.

[Terror]

Just because he's not "underground" anymore, doesn't take away from his ability as an artist and lyricist.
And Vol. 3 is coming out soon.
But Technique actually makes you THINK when you listen to his material. Something which is lacking in, I'd say about every rap song on MTV.

[typh-a-knee]

Ah I made a double post.
My bad.

[msladyliberty]

typh-a-knee well said.

lol Laffy Taffy....that's a good example!

and I agree on getting tired of most commercial rap music. To me...I like it for the moment, then it gets old fast.

[sillakilla220]

ha ok.
Let me speak my peace on this since, I rap/sing.

I honestly believe that out of every genre of music with the exception of country, hip-hop today is the most pathetic excuse for music EVER

It's just so damn frail

I get tired of listening to it, and even though I try not to contribute to the repetative garbage, I get tired of participating in a genre thats just so corny
For the first time in the history of america, there is no music that black people can be proud of

None

Of course there are good artists, specific artists, such as mos def and little brother, but as far as a movement, as far as whats being PUT OUT, there is almost nothing
we've lost our soul, our consciousness, our meaning, our essence
everything that went into the forms of music that we cultivated has been lost
from the deep significance of slave spirituals, to the blues, the jazz, to rock n roll, to reggae, to early hiphop
it's all gone with the bullshit that y'all support today
when hiphop first started, up to about a decade ago, it was a music that we could hold for ourselves,and be PROUD of
when outsiders tried to step on it, we could be proud of it, and say, hey, this is hip-hop, we love it, and its our message, its our cry for help, its all we have, its us telling you how we live, and the struggles we go through
when critics tried to censor hip-hop, we could stand up and defend it
we could say, you can't censor hip-hop, yeah the messages are rough, yeah the messages are gritty, but its just the built up pain from the harsh urban life style, its just what goes on in the streets, and we have to be heard too

people started to respect hip-hop as an art form
because even though it was hard, it was still productive in the message and as an outlet
but now, what do we have?
Laffy Taffy

f**king Laffy Taffy
how the hell do i defend Laffy Taffy? or the other hundreds of songs like it?
how do i explain to somebody the significance of an art form where the most popular song is Laffy Taffy?
you can't
but on some real sh*t, i've been on a retreat from rap for a couple weeks, going onto a month actually, only rapper I listen too is myself.

damn i really hope u are not serious. hip hop is hardly the sorriest excuse of music out right now. first of all, hip hop is so broad today there are soooo many forms of rap... yeah commercial rap right now might not be the highest quality of music i think we've all established that in this thread, but u gotta be out of your mind to disregard all the other artists who dont' get the mtv shine or radio airplay but put out dope ass sh*t... and even if u dont like the music u cant say that theres no meaning, essence, consciousness, blah blah blah blah considering u said yourself "its just what goes on in the streets, and we have to be heard too", the streets are all about selling crack, looking fresh, and f**kin bitches... if u have a problem with that then pick up sum f**kin talib kweli. its like i said, not all rap music is degrading, but ppl wanna lump all the sh*t together. there are sooooo many artists that are nowhere near today's stereotypical commercial rapper so if u really care ask around im sure u can find a recommendation. for someone claiming to be a rapper u are full of sh*t and dont kno anything, instead of defending yur trade u sit there and trash it w/ the rest of these jokes

[typh-a-knee]

damn i really hope u are not serious. hip hop is hardly the sorriest excuse of music out right now. first of all, hip hop is so broad today there are soooo many forms of rap... yeah commercial rap right now might not be the highest quality of music i think we've all established that in this thread, but u gotta be out of your mind to disregard all the other artists who dont' get the mtv shine or radio airplay but put out dope ass sh*t... and even if u dont like the music u cant say that theres no meaning, essence, consciousness, blah blah blah blah considering u said yourself "its just what goes on in the streets, and we have to be heard too", the streets are all about selling crack, looking fresh, and f**kin bitches... if u have a problem with that then pick up sum f**kin talib kweli. its like i said, not all rap music is degrading, but ppl wanna lump all the sh*t together. there are sooooo many artists that are nowhere near today's stereotypical commercial rapper so if u really care ask around im sure u can find a recommendation. for someone claiming to be a rapper u are full of sh*t and dont kno anything, instead of defending yur trade u sit there and trash it w/ the rest of these jokes

Sorry did you read my whole post
Of course there are good artists, specific artists, such as mos def and little brother, but as far as a movement, as far as whats being PUT OUT, there is almost nothing

thanks. now stfu.
tard.

[Terror]

Heh. Nice one typh-a-knee.

And its pretty obvious that rap as a whole and in general, is utter generic garbage.
And again, like other people stated, there are a few gems who stick out. Not many, but there are some.

[sillakilla220]

Sorry did you read my whole post
Of course there are good artists, specific artists, such as mos def and little brother, but as far as a movement, as far as whats being PUT OUT, there is almost nothing

thanks. now stfu.
tard.

heh... yes i DID read your whole post but i just dont think u can properly word what yur tryin to say cuz my response still correlates to wat u wrote... if u mean wats PUT OUT and as far as a movement to be what u see on MTV and BET then i guess i would have to agree with u, but rap/hip hop is far more than that and if u think that wat u see on video channels even closely represents the genre as a whole yur a f**kin idiot... regardless of if its on TV or not good, lesser-known rap is still constantly bein PUT OUT so this is where i fail to see the validity of yur point.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I also think lowly of the genre for a different reason. Like you've said, sillakilla, under-the-radar rappers don't get enough (if any at all) airtime on big networks like MTV/VH1 and are hardly aired on public radio. I think I know why -- they either aren't good or don't, as you phrased it, talk about "smoking crack and f**king bitches." Personally, I think that says a lot about the value system when it comes to the hip hop genre in that you have to make an ass of yourself, be a womanizer and a drug dealer in order to sell records (most of the time, that is).

Now don't take this the wrong way, other genres of music are falling into a conformity mold themselves, but it's more evident in rap than anywhere else, and you can't argue that.

[Terror]

Another big problem I have with it, is the whole mood and tone of the whole rap genre.
Somehow, shooting someone is considered "cool" in the rap genre.
Somehow, "raping a bitch" is considered cool.
Somehow, the ammount of f**king jewlery in your mouth, makes you cool.
It's just so limited and fake, the majority of the rappers out there either rap about clubbing/dancing/bitches, or, if they want to act like they're real "deep", they rap about how hard it is in the ghetto, and how "the white man its keeping them down"
Look, I used to live in one of the worst f**king neigborhoods in Chicago, its NOT AS BAD as they make it out to be.
They're exploiting this idea that somehow you have to sell crack just to make a living. Bullshit.
They're just too lazy to go out and get a job.
From what I've seen, rap gives these kids some stupid sense of arrogance, and power over other people. I mean, have you seen these "gangster" kids waddling around school?
If you step on their f**king shoes, they will FIGHT YOU.
What kind of stupid bullshit is that. They get that whole attitude from the music they listen to.

heh... yes i DID read your whole post but i just dont think u can properly word what yur tryin to say cuz my response still correlates to wat u wrote... if u mean wats PUT OUT and as far as a movement to be what u see on MTV and BET then i guess i would have to agree with u, but rap/hip hop is far more than that and if u think that wat u see on video channels even closely represents the genre as a whole yur a f**kin idiot... regardless of if its on TV or not good, lesser-known rap is still constantly bein PUT OUT so this is where i fail to see the validity of yur point.

You know, its hard to take you seriously when you try and use big words like correlate and validity, yet you still can't spell out "yur", or "wat".

[yoshie]

listen to immortal technique, listen to his lyrics. that is rap.

[AngryBaby]

hiphop itself is supposed to signify how far we've come through hard times
how we've gone from slave music, to something that every damn race can jam too
it's supposed to be our pride
our way of saying we made it
how the hell are we showing that with songs that have no significance whatsoever?

you.... know i was joking right?

[sillakilla220]

Another big problem I have with it, is the whole mood and tone of the whole rap genre.
Somehow, shooting someone is considered "cool" in the rap genre.
Somehow, "raping a bitch" is considered cool.
Somehow, the ammount of f**king jewlery in your mouth, makes you cool.
It's just so limited and fake, the majority of the rappers out there either rap about clubbing/dancing/bitches, or, if they want to act like they're real "deep", they rap about how hard it is in the ghetto, and how "the white man its keeping them down"
Look, I used to live in one of the worst f**king neigborhoods in Chicago, its NOT AS BAD as they make it out to be.
They're exploiting this idea that somehow you have to sell crack just to make a living. Bullshit.
They're just too lazy to go out and get a job.
From what I've seen, rap gives these kids some stupid sense of arrogance, and power over other people. I mean, have you seen these "gangster" kids waddling around school?
If you step on their f**king shoes, they will FIGHT YOU.
What kind of stupid bullshit is that. They get that whole attitude from the music they listen to.
You know, its hard to take you seriously when you try and use big words like correlate and validity, yet you still can't spell out "yur", or "wat".

yeah cuz i don't know how to spell your or what... oops i mean because. its called slang fag sorry i dont type proper english all the time

[vash1530]

ha ok.
Let me speak my peace on this since, I rap/sing.

I honestly believe that out of every genre of music with the exception of country, hip-hop today is the most pathetic excuse for music EVER

It's just so damn frail

I get tired of listening to it, and even though I try not to contribute to the repetative garbage, I get tired of participating in a genre thats just so corny
For the first time in the history of america, there is no music that black people can be proud of

None

Of course there are good artists, specific artists, such as mos def and little brother, but as far as a movement, as far as whats being PUT OUT, there is almost nothing
we've lost our soul, our consciousness, our meaning, our essence
everything that went into the forms of music that we cultivated has been lost
from the deep significance of slave spirituals, to the blues, the jazz, to rock n roll, to reggae, to early hiphop
it's all gone with the bullshit that y'all support today
when hiphop first started, up to about a decade ago, it was a music that we could hold for ourselves,and be PROUD of
when outsiders tried to step on it, we could be proud of it, and say, hey, this is hip-hop, we love it, and its our message, its our cry for help, its all we have, its us telling you how we live, and the struggles we go through
when critics tried to censor hip-hop, we could stand up and defend it
we could say, you can't censor hip-hop, yeah the messages are rough, yeah the messages are gritty, but its just the built up pain from the harsh urban life style, its just what goes on in the streets, and we have to be heard too

people started to respect hip-hop as an art form
because even though it was hard, it was still productive in the message and as an outlet
but now, what do we have?
Laffy Taffy

f**king Laffy Taffy
how the hell do i defend Laffy Taffy? or the other hundreds of songs like it?
how do i explain to somebody the significance of an art form where the most popular song is Laffy Taffy?
you can't
but on some real sh*t, i've been on a retreat from rap for a couple weeks, going onto a month actually, only rapper I listen too is myself.

ur lost on this one... im glad that u can see the flaws in commercial rap but calling it dead as a whole is an overstatement. if ur immersed in the culture and the whole hip-hop scene (and you shud b if ur an aspiring rapper) than u know that all has not been lost with all these guys setting the u-ground scene on fire!! not to mention the other genres of terrible music thats being put out and commercialized. In rock, for example, it seems like every other band sells it's soul to be the next big thing and lets go of the music that made them popular in the first place. btw all u talkin about how IT iz so sik are stupid....hes not even in the top 20 best rappers out there. O, and MF Doom is more commercial then Immortal Technique BY FAR!!

Sorry did you read my whole post
Of course there are good artists, specific artists, such as mos def and little brother, but as far as a movement, as far as whats being PUT OUT, there is almost nothing

thanks. now stfu.
tard.

Unfortunately, as far as whats being put out, there is almost nothing.....if ur not big in hip-hop....

there [b]is still[b/][i] a rap movement, it has just changed it s outlook. Look online, go to a local battle, turn of ur radio and go immerse urself in the [i]real hip-hop culture instead of talking all this trash.

[Stuckie]

I find it funny that a whole bunch of people are hating on Rap/Hip-Hop. The most I'm hearing people say is that they hate rap for its explicit lyrics. You only hear explicit words on unedited songs. You can only get unedited songs if you buy them or download them. So that shouldn't be a problem for those who hate rap. You can't here bad language in a genre you hate unless you listen to that genre. I also read that you hear rap on the radio with cuss words. Well, the radio edits those words. You can probably still tell what the word when its bleeped out. But if you can tell, its probably because you use those words and you know what they are and mean.

I would go into more detail but class is almost over.

[*CrackedRearView*]

^

The integrity of any song is compromised when every half second there's a brief stop in the music.

[n00b]

I hate the fact girls are forced to shake their booties all over the camera.
Disgusting lyrics.
Cussing.
Violence.
Stupidest music videos.
Wrong to women.

[vash1530]

^

The integrity of any song is compromised when every half second there's a brief stop in the music.

then stop listening to the radio and download a [pause] song or buy a [pause] cd!!!

[sillakilla220]

I hate the fact girls are forced to shake their booties all over the camera.
Disgusting lyrics.
Cussing.
Violence.
Stupidest music videos.
Wrong to women.

how do u figure girls are forced to shake thier booties? no one is forcing them to do sh*t they do it to make money or cuz they like it.


you guys dont get it. all rap music is not like that. if u have a problem with all that sh*t, which i can definitely understand, then say u dont like rap that talks about that... its a shame seein everyone make the same, stupid, irrational, and very generalized comments. i could listen to rap all day and not come across any of that sh*t if i listened to the right stuff. all the sh*t u guys keep listing is the sh*t on tv get ya mind right.

[*CrackedRearView*]

then stop listening to the radio and download a [pause] song or buy a [pause] cd!!!

Or I could just skip all that altogether.

I think I'll do that.

[*Ox_Su`Zie*]

Hmm i think its just the messages it send i mean i listen to rap all the time and i mean i do enjoy listening to ceratin songs but i mean some songs really make me tick i dont think anyone has the right to call women bitches and hoes.... its just not right...

[NERDFACE™]

ok... first lets get all the cliche`s out the way....

- too much violence
- disrespects women
-cusses too much
- videos have too much ass-shaking

but this doesnt apply to all rap so im just wondering - what do ppl really have against rap music?

Okay,I'mma do this.
just reply to the first post,because that's what i feel like doing.

When somebody doesn't like a genre of music,they look for all the bad in it,and totally disregard the good.Personally,I dislike rap.To the point of actually hating it.I'm more of a hardcore kid,but whatever.Rap music is extremeley vulgar,in my point of veiw,but that's on a stereotypical basis.I don't have very much room to talk,because rock is just as bad,if not worse.I also think they have NO talent,because just anybody could go up and make some stupid rhyme that has absolutely no other point than to express how cool their "GRILLZ" look,or how awesome their shoes are(air force ones,nelly)or how "FINE"a chick with a huge ass is.It's all about opinions in this case;All about what sounds good to you.I like really loud,blast your ears off,sweet guitar solos,scream your head off music,while some people might like.....however you would descirbe rap(I'd do it,really,but it'd come out differently than intended)so this wouldn't be much of an arguement for me.
it's got no fact to back it up,because every other genre of music has bad sh*t all in it,and really it's based purely on opinion.

people are gonna like what music they like,
we need to stop being so mother f**king retarded and just accept it,goddamnit.

[*This Confession*]

^seriously

I'm a hardcore emo lover kiddie.

hah.
I just dislike rap and country music
they give me a headache

although i can listen to powerpop. I love some powerpop.

But Its a matter of how you look at rap music.
I mean some people are ehm.. racist and just dislike it because of that. although yes theres white people but their just as bad.
[I meant musicly talented there]

blahhh
I can't type everything else thats in my head.

[Stuckie]

I hate the fact girls are forced to shake their booties all over the camera.
Disgusting lyrics.
Cussing.
Violence.
Stupidest music videos.
Wrong to women.

No one forces girls to shake anything on videos. They get paid to dance like that, and there are some that do it for free if the rapper is famous enough. They have a free will.

[sillakilla220]

f**k it rap music has prolly influenced your favorite artist so get over yourselves

[sw33t_rouge]

i like rap but sometimes there lyrics make me cringe.

[Kontroll]

It kills brain cells. And it talks about how much money they make and how good they have it, also they make alot of songs about their 24'' rims. Congratulations. Good for them. Most people I ask say they like rap because of the beat. I think it was 50 Cent, or Jay-Z that was interviewed and he claims that the lyrics of his songs made no sense. Rap sucks.

[sadolakced acid]

i don't like black people music. (or country).

i mean, it's not that i say "a black guy sings this, i don't like it."

i just listen to what i like

and inevitablly, when people ask me what music i like, they come to the conclusion that i don't like black people music.

so that's why i don't like rap.

[mizzkim]

Yes I can understand why people do not like rap, it's not "music" they say... BUT I LOVE IT. The beats get me dancing, and they lyrics go hard. But now rap is changing,yeah disrespecting women, I hate that too. But old school is fine.

[*Weird addiction*]

i don't like black people music. (or country).

i mean, it's not that i say "a black guy sings this, i don't like it."

i just listen to what i like

and inevitablly, when people ask me what music i like, they come to the conclusion that i don't like black people music.

so that's why i don't like rap.

Exactly. Country isn't black music!
I don't like Asian music either! So sue me. I think it's crap when people say "You don't like black people music". WTF? Rap/hip hop are music genres for the love of God.

I hate rap. I hate 50 cent and whomever. I just can't stand him calling WOMEN ho's or whores. The only rap song I listen to is "when I'm gone" by Eminem. Why? It relates to me, my life, every single word in that song relates to me.
I just can't relate to 50 cent's songs, I just can't.

All a nigga really need is a lil bit,
not a lot baby girl just a lil bit..
we can head to the crib in a lil bit..
I can show you how I live in a lil bit,
I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit,
take 'em off pull em down just a lil bit,
get to kissin' and touchin' a lil bit...
get to lickin', a lil bit...

Can someone please explain that?

If I should hear my child saying "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit", I'm going to KICK HIS ASS. I don't know what to say SillaKilla, I'm sorry but most Rap songs are crap.

[mizzkim]

Can't understand what he's saying ROFL...
He wants the girl to have sex with him.
And rap isnt just " black people music" you have asians. whites, and people all over the world who listen to it

[Smoogrish]

It's not that I don't like the style of the music- I love the beats of the music. It's just that a lot of the lyrics demoralize women and make them all seem like.. scum. I'm not generalizing that all rap is like that, but I feel it draws a stereotype that all girls are like that.