You think 9/11 was an act of "terrorism"? Options

[EmmalieV]

Think again

70+ million americans have been pushing the government to start a new investigation.

Things that helped this happen? , Dylan Averys Documentary " Loose Change ".

Format

Loose Change is approximately an hour and a half long. The movie consists mostly of still photographs and news footage of events relating to 9-11, which are shown against hip-hop music, or soft melodic background music, while narrator (director Dylan Avery) makes various claims and observations. Video and still footage used includes considerable video content from CNN, NBC, and FOX News, as well as a number of other public domain sources. There is no original 9-11 footage or interviews.
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History

Financial backing for the project came in April 2005 from producers such as Phil Jayhan of letsroll911.org. Avery released the first edition of Loose Change with an initial press of 1,000 DVDs. Rowe, a former soldier who served in Afghanistan and Iraq joined the project in June 2005. Bermas also joined the team and together they released an updated second edition in November 2005.

The documentary is available for purchase and distribution through its official website. [5] It can also be viewed for free online and downloaded here at Google Video, where as for mid 2006 holds the first position in the top ranking of available videos. [6]

The documentary has been released in two editions. The first was released in April 2005, followed by the second edition in November 2005. The second edition is a remake of the original with added footage and information.
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Content
Flyer for a screening of the documentary
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Flyer for a screening of the documentary
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Timeframe

* Includes background information of Operation Northwoods, a plan put forward in the days of the Cuban Missile Crisis to switch out real commercial airliners with drone planes, and tests the effect of using them as weapons, all the while seeming to be an accident. It then brings to light certain events that could be evidence of this practice being used in the attacks of September 11, 2001.

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Pentagon

* Alleges that American Airlines Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon and that damage sustained to the building may have been caused by a cruise missile or a smaller military aircraft. It defends this by examining the size of the hole in the Pentagon caused by the crash, examining the lack of debris consistent to prior airliner crashes, and showing that certain pieces of debris are inconsistent in size or shape to the corresponding parts on that type of aircraft.

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World Trade Center

* Suggests that the actual collapses of the World Trade Centers 1, 2 and 7 were not triggered by the plane crashes but by a series of explosions within the buildings that were detonated shortly before each building collapsed, and supports this with eye witness reports from a janitor, firemen, and other people near the buildings who saw and heard things consistent with controlled demolitions; videotapes showing flashes in windows far below the burning floors prior to the collapse, and seismograph results recorded during the collapse compared to the collapse of other similiar buildings.

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Flight 93

* Suggests that United Airlines Flight 93 did not crash in rural Shanksville, Pennsylvania but actually landed safely at Cleveland Hopkins Airport where it was evacuated by government personnel into an unused NASA research center. Uses photographs and eye-witness reports of the crash site as evidence due to the lack of debris or severity of damage to site, a corresponding evacuation at Cleveland Hopkins Airport due to another hijacked plane and the corresponding reports, oddities in the transcripts of cell-phone calls supposedly placed from the plane during the hijacking, and the sighting of the tail number of Flight 93 on an aircraft in use at a later date.

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Oddities

* Asserts that cellular phone calls could not be made from American Airlines flights at the time of the crash. The film cites as evidence a later system installed in American Airlines planes which allowed the reception of cellular signals within the planes. It questions why such a system would be needed if cellular transmissions were already possible within commercial airliners.
* Suggests that cell phone calls from passengers and crew were faked by the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico using sophisticated voice-morphing technology and that the December 13, 2001 video of Osama Bin Laden admitting guilt was also faked.
* Asserts that of the list of hijackers initially released by the government, many were not in the planes and were alive after September 11, 2001 and may even still be alive.

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Cui Bono

* Outlines possible motives for the attacks.
* Alleges that Larry Silverstein stood to benefit significantly from the destruction of the towers from an extensive insurance policy.
* Alleges that many investors engaged in insider trading with an apparent foreknowledge of the eventual destruction of the towers.
* Alleges that millions of dollars in Kuwaiti gold bars were secretly transported away before the Twin Towers collapsed.

From WikiPedia

There alot of conspiracy theories I admit to that , but ...

Rumsfeld , said flight 93 was shot down?!
[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0[/url]

See loose change on google video ; Loose Change

Or download the torrent.

[*I Shot JFK*]

*yawn*

old sh*t.

dull sh*t.

sh*t, in short.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I don't believe the pentagon was hit by a plane.

[silver-rain]

Ehh, I saw that video, and it does bring up some interesting points. Some seem believable while others don't though.

[technicolour]

*yawn*

old sh*t.

dull sh*t.

sh*t, in short.

Uh, yeah. This is really old stuff.


My dad believes that Flight 93 was shot down, which makes some sense.

[*mona lisa*]

I remember watching the video on Google Video a long time ago.

I agree with Linda: several believable points were made, but who knows if they're all true. I was shocked to see what they suggested about the plane not actually hitting the Pentagon.

Oh well, these conspiracy theories will always exist.

[Retrogressive]

"False history gets made all day, any day,
the truth of the new is never on the news"

[hiromi]

Wow. The video makes very interesting points. It does seem that the Pentagon was NOT hit by a plane though...

hmm...

[illumineering]

Wow...it's amazing how anything that is published is assumed to be valid. So where are the passengers of flight 93? Probably hanging with Elvis and 2-Pac...

[Soleil]

Ya Ive seen this movie before. Ive come to a conclusion that the United States is hiding something real big from the population, too many conicidences, too many good points, a person cant just pass this without even seeing the connections. Worst is the people who see the evidence but just refuse to accept it. grawr makes me mad. because of this movie ive gotten into lots of fights. lol

[SarahxJoy]

I don't know what to believe. But either way, there are some rather valid points. That is, if they're true.

Trust is a fickle thing.

[EmmalieV]

*yawn*

old sh*t.

dull sh*t.

sh*t, in short.

Is it really that dull to find out that your country is killing innocent people and taking you for fools?

New cb'ers

[Gigi]

^ That's actually James, so if you think he's a new cBer, you might want to...uh. Rethink that.

[*CrackedRearView*]

"New cb'ers" HAH!

Yeah, so anyway... Loose Change is very last month as far as hot-off-the-press goes.

It did raise good questions, but what pissed me off is that it did more questioning than postulating. And at that point I'm left only with a big question mark, not only on what happened but on whether ol' Avery has any clue on what he's talking about.

[Retrogressive]

Is it really that dull to find out that your country is killing innocent people and taking you for fools?

New cb'ers

Haha, isn't James English?

[verlorenrivets]

It did raise good questions, but what pissed me off is that it did more questioning than postulating. And at that point I'm left only with a big question mark, not only on what happened but on whether ol' Avery has any clue on what he's talking about.

The whole point was not to push a theory as fact, but to question what actually happened, and raise those questions in the viewer's mind that support the theory. We don't know the answers, so why would anyone claim to? Can you honestly say you would trust someone who says he has all the answers? There's a word for that. I think it's... gullible.

Some things just don't add up. I'm not going to blame our government, but I can't honestly say that I believe that Muslim radicals pulled something this big off either.

I'm gonna walk the fence a little more, if you don't mind.

[MrElsewhere]

haha.

this is just the tip of the iceberg.

the government has been conducting experiements on unwilling patients for yeaarrrsss. plus there's theories that state AIDS was man-made.

[pshaa.shauna]

New cb'ers

*dies of laughter*

[*I Shot JFK*]

*sigh*

must i put my 'im not a noob' sticker on again?

[juliar]

Then again, wikipedia isn't exactly the most reliable source.
pretty much any user can put stuff on there, right?


btw, emmaliev, james is definitely not new.



..gosh, new cbers.

back on topic, i think this whole issue is really interesting. but i dont know which side to go to. because since there are no concrete answers yet, just some "probablys" and alot of speculation, i'd RATHER believe that this was all because of a powerful group of muslim radicals and not the government that we are governed by. but the creators of Loose Change and other people who speak about this sort of thing do have a point. and while some are clearly just some psychotic conspiracy buffs, alot do have sensible arguments.

so im just gonna stand on that line in between.

yup.

[*mipadi*]

Then again, wikipedia isn't exactly the most reliable source.
pretty much any user can put stuff on there, right?

Yes, but any user can take anything out, too. Which means that inaccurate information, especially on big topics like this, get removed pretty quickly.

[push kicks]

what was it again this quote that was like

there are two things required for a conspiracy theory to work .. one is that you must believe that the government is capable enough to orchastrate such a thing and secondly that the government can keep a secret

thats why i dont think its true

70+ million americans have been pushing the government to start a new investigation.

70 million?? lol .. i doubt it, give me a good link to that

[*StanleyThePanda*]

*yawn*

old sh*t.

dull sh*t.

sh*t, in short.

*nods* Yeah, what James said.

New cb'ers

[EddieV]

*yawn*

old sh*t.

dull sh*t.

sh*t, in short.

Effin Brits! Lol jk bro...

[becomingAWARE]

*yawn*

old sh*t.

dull sh*t.

sh*t, in short.

in short, i must agree.

[NoSex]

I had said of it somewhere else, sometime before:

Alright. To put this simply: This is quite possibly the most misrepresentative, dubious, vile, fallacious, inaccurate, and misleading pieces of documentary or expository film making I have ever seen. I remember seeing the original so long ago, and later this revision. Both are very much a joke in my eyes.

These videos can only be rivaled, in my opinion, by the likes of great prevaricative cheats and trickster nut-jobs such as Kent Hovind, Alex Jones, and the infamous David Vaughan Icke.

Despite Loose Change being a bit provocative, and slightly interesting, it is nothing but fantasy and, almost more commonly, a flat out lie.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

^ Thank youuuuu.