like or hate emo? Options

[sillakilla220]

no offense to anyone but personally that stuff is trash. whiny boys too in touch with their feminine side doesnt really appeal to me. just wondering cuz i hate seeing it on mtv, who else even listens to that garbage?

[banthisaccountno...]

(i stole the following from here)

Emo does not stand for emotional. Emo isn't that whiney rich kid in your algebra class who whines about how much his life sucks. Emo isn't that sh*t you see in Hot Topic or on MTV. Emo isn't My Chemical Romance or Taking Back Sunday or Dashboard Confessional or Bright Eyes. Emo is not a mindset. Emo is not a person, or type of person. Emo is not a corporate trend. Emo is not tight pants or moronic hair. Emo is not a fashion. "Emo" is not the use of diluted, meaningless metaphors and similes such as "My arms are like pinecones," and most definitely is not the rampant use of words such as "autumn," "heart," "knife," "bleeding," "leaves," and "razorblade." Emo is not cutting your wrists because your girlfriend dumped you and your mother wouldn't stir your chocolate milk. Emo is not bad music.

Emo is the term used for an underground movement of music in the mid-80's through the early-90's. What does emo mean? Emo is emotionally charged hardcore punk rock or "emotive hardcore". It is simply just a subgenre of hardcore. (Hardcore punk meaning bands like Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, FEAR, etc.) In the original incarnation, the term emo was coined to describe the sound of (Washington) DC area bands such as Rites of Spring, Embrace (Ian MacKaye's transitional band after Minor Threat and before Fugazi), Dag Nasty, One Last Wish, Moss Icon, Grey Matter, and Fire Party, Rites of Spring being the first actual emo band. Most of these bands sound nothing like today's "emo".

In 1985 in Washington, D.C., Ian MacKaye and Guy Picciotto, veterans of the DC hardcore music scene, decided to shift away from what they saw as the constraints of the basic style of hardcore and the escalating violence within the scene. They took their music in a more personal direction with a far greater sense of experimentation, bringing forth MacKaye's Embrace and Picciotto's Rites of Spring. The style of music developed by Embrace and Rites of Spring soon became its own sound. (Hüsker Dü's 1984 album Zen Arcade is often cited as a major influence for the new sound.) As a result of the renewed spirit of experimentation and musical innovation that developed the new scene, the summer of 1985 soon came to be known in the scene as "Revolution Summer".

Within a short time, the DC emo sound began to influence other bands such as Moss Icon, Nation of Ulysses, Dag Nasty, Shudder To Think, Fire Party, Marginal Man, and Gray Matter, many of which were released on MacKaye's Dischord Records. The original wave of DC emo finally ended in late 1994 with the collapse of Hoover.

Where the term emo actually originated is uncertain, but members of Rites of Spring mentioned in a 1985 interview in Flipside Magazine that some of their fans had started using the term to describe their music. By the early 90s, it was not uncommon for the early DC scene to be referred to as emo-core, though it's unclear when the term shifted.

As the DC scene expanded, other scenes began to develop with a similar sound. In San Diego in the early 1990s, Gravity Records released a number of records in the hardcore emo style. Bands of the period included Heroin, Indian Summer, Angel Hair, Antioch Arrow, Universal Order of Armageddon, Swing Kids, and Mohinder. At the same time, in the New York/New Jersey era, bands such as Native Nod, Merel, 1.6 Band, Rye Coalition and Rorschach were feeling the same impulse. Many of these bands were involved with the ABC No Rio club scene in New York, itself a response to the violence and stagnation in the scene and with the bands that played at CBGBs, the only other small venue for hardcore in New York at the time. Much of this wave of emo, particularly the San Diego scene, began to shift towards a more chaotic and aggressive form of emo, nicknamed screamo.

By and large, the more hardcore style of emo began to fade as many of the early era groups disbanded. Even still, a handful of modern bands continue to reflect emo's hardcore origins, including Circle Takes the Square, Hot Cross, City of Caterpillar, Funeral Diner, and A Day in Black and White.

Back in DC, following the disbanding of both Rites of Spring and Embrace, MacKaye and Picciotto decided to join forces in a new band, called Fugazi. While Fugazi itself was not categorized as emo, the music it created would soon influence the second major wave of emo.

Emo, and it's various incarnations, is very good underground music if you're a fan of raw, aggressive, fast-paced music with introspective lyrics. Emo is NOT bad music! Generally, if you're a fan of punk rock, hardcore, indie, or even grindcore or metal, you'll probably like emo/screamo.

Today, the words "emo" and "screamo" are often (incorrectly) used on bands like Dashboard Confessional, Senses Fail, My Chemical Romance, Atreyu, the Used, and Bright Eyes. (Bright Eyes, has nothing to do with emo, they're a folk-indie rock band.) The other bands, however, are nothing more than pop music or mallcore (which is pop music itself in a more "br00tal" form). The labels "emo" and "screamo" are slapped onto almost every teeny-bopper pop band with "angst-ridden" lyrics and members that are "so HAWT LOLZ" by the three M's: the Music industry, the Media, and MTV. They all have the same basic formula and sound with a couple different variations. Most of these bands have nothing to do with hardcore, punk, or emo music at all. Also, emo is used to describe a lot of a "depressed" kids that cut. These kids aren't emo, they're just retarded attention-whores for the most part. If you want to insult someone who claims to be "emo", the most appropriate names for these corporate cock-sucking zombies, are "scenesters" or "scene kids".

List of True Emo Bands
Rites of Spring
Embrace (US band, not the UK brit-pop band)
Gray Matter
Ignition
Dag Nasty
Monsula
Fugazi
Fuel
Samiam
Jawbreaker
Hot Water Music
Elliot
Friction
Soulside
Lifetime
Split Lip(same band as Chamberlain)
Chamberlain(same band as Split Lip)
Kerosene 454
Moss Icon
The Hated
Silver Bearings
Native Nod
Merel
Hoover
Current
Indian Summer
Evergreen
Navio Forge
Still Life
Shotmaker
Policy of 3
Clikatat Ikatowi
Maximillian Colby
Noneleftstanding
Embassy
Ordination of Aaron
Floodgate
Four Hundred Years
Frail
Lincoln
Julia
Shroomunion
Unwound
Heroin
Antioch Arrow
Mohinder
Honeywell
Reach Out
Portaits of Past
Assfactor 4
Second Story Window
End of the Line
Angel Hair
Swing Kids
Three Studies for a Crucifixion
John Henry West
Guyver-1
Palatka
Coleman
Iconoclast
Sunny Day Real Estate
Christie Front Drive
Promise Ring
Mineral
Boys Life
Sideshow
Get-Up Kids
Braid
Cap'n Jazz
Funeral Diner
Circle Takes The Square
A Day in Black and White
A Trillion Barnacle Lapse
Air Conditioning
Amanda Woodward
Breather Resist
Coliseum
Envy
Gospel
Hot Cross
Kaospilot
Lack
Melt Banana
Mikoto
Newgenics
North of America
Off Minor
Gun Metal Gray
Saetia
I Hate Myself
I Would Set Myself On Fire For You
City Of Caterpillar
The Kodan Armada
Raein

NOT Emo:
All-American Rejects
As I Lay Dying
Atreyu
Avril Lavigne
Billy Talent(What talent?)
Blink 182
Bowling For Soup
Brand New
Busted
Coheed & Cambria
Dashboard Confessional
Early November
Emery
Fall Out Boy
Finch
From Autumn to Ashes
From First to Last
Green Day
Good Charlotte
Hawthorne Heights
Haste the Day
Linkin Park
Matchbox Romance
My American Heart
My Chemical Romance
New Found Glory
Rufio
Saves the Day
Senses Fail
Silverstein
Simple Plan
Something Corporate
Starting Line
Story of the Year
Sugarcult
Sum 41
Taking Back Sunday
Thursday
UnderOath
Used
Yellowcard
Test Icicles
AFI



..and just so I stay on topic:
The stuff people call "emo" nowadays sucks, but real emo is alright.

[bananapants]

List of True Emo Bands
Rites of Spring
Embrace (US band, not the UK brit-pop band)
Gray Matter
Ignition
Dag Nasty
Monsula
Fugazi
Fuel
Samiam
Jawbreaker
Hot Water Music
Elliot
Friction
Soulside
Lifetime
Split Lip(same band as Chamberlain)
Chamberlain(same band as Split Lip)
Kerosene 454
Moss Icon
The Hated
Silver Bearings
Native Nod
Merel
Hoover
Current
Indian Summer
Evergreen
Navio Forge
Still Life
Shotmaker
Policy of 3
Clikatat Ikatowi
Maximillian Colby
Noneleftstanding
Embassy
Ordination of Aaron
Floodgate
Four Hundred Years
Frail
Lincoln
Julia
Shroomunion
Unwound
Heroin
Antioch Arrow
Mohinder
Honeywell
Reach Out
Portaits of Past
Assfactor 4
Second Story Window
End of the Line
Angel Hair
Swing Kids
Three Studies for a Crucifixion
John Henry West
Guyver-1
Palatka
Coleman
Iconoclast
Sunny Day Real Estate
Christie Front Drive
Promise Ring
Mineral
Boys Life
Sideshow
Get-Up Kids
Braid
Cap'n Jazz
Funeral Diner
Circle Takes The Square
A Day in Black and White
A Trillion Barnacle Lapse
Air Conditioning
Amanda Woodward
Breather Resist
Coliseum
Envy
Gospel
Hot Cross
Kaospilot
Lack
Melt Banana
Mikoto
Newgenics
North of America
Off Minor
Gun Metal Gray
Saetia
I Hate Myself
I Would Set Myself On Fire For You
City Of Caterpillar
The Kodan Armada
Raein

agreed

[akjsd]

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[*januaryrain*]

well i like SOME of the crap that they call 'emo' these days. it's not too bad, in my ears

[Jorge]

LOLOL. YELLOWCARD EMO? LOLOL.

That was the stupidest post ever. Emo is what you make it. I don't like labels.

[*My Cinderella.*]

I've never heard of those bands, but I don't hate or like emo. It's alright, it's just not the type of music for my tastes.

[*Statistik*]

Is alkaline trio emo? I hate their music. I don't even listen to rock music that much, but "emo" is one of my least favorite "type" of rock music. I just enjoy alternative rock. No metal-punk poser bullshit...

[Jorge]

Go debate in the Rap topic and defend yourself. >:o

[*januaryrain*]

it says that yellowcard ISN'T emo

[Jorge]

And I was saying that it is. :)

[*januaryrain*]

oh.. tahaa.
well my definition of emo is in total contrast with what was posted above so I'm not gonna say anything.
but with my definition, yeah Yellowcard is emo, along with Dashboard & the Early November.

[Jorge]

Iunno. If people ask me if I listen to Emo music, I say I only listen to the music I listen to. Whatever catches my ear.

[*januaryrain*]

well said

[Chii]

I have a hard time telling people what kind of music I listen to because there isn't really a specific genre...

I listen to everything and the problem is I don't know what the hell genre it is even in. When I was being anal with my iPod, I had to look up each artist in wikipedia to find out what genre they were. I suck at labels because there are so many. The genres I got were: Pop/Rock, Alternative Rock, Metalcore, Indie/Alternative, Electronic Dance, Hard Rock, Classic Hard Rock, Melodic Death Metal, European Pop, Synth Pop/Dance-Punk Rock, Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, Piano Rock, among many others.

Oh well, at least I see new music to download. I'll get back to you when I listen to some of them =]

[sillakilla220]

Go debate in the Rap topic and defend yourself. >:o

f**k that im not gonna go into the rap thread and get ganged up on by a bunch of idiots who don't even know or prolly even respect the genre.... f**k emo, there would never be as much press on an emo band-member gettin shot and killed like there are rappers, as much as ppl say rap sucks rap sells right now and your favorite artist is prolly influenced sumhow by hip hop

[*januaryrain*]

f**k that im not gonna go into the rap thread and get ganged up on by a bunch of idiots who don't even know or prolly even respect the genre.... f**k emo, there would never be as much press on an emo band-member gettin shot and killed like there are rappers, as much as ppl say rap sucks rap sells right now and your favorite artist is prolly influenced sumhow by hip hop

calm down.
& the reason why you don't see 'emo' band members getting shot is because they aren't out in the streets starting sh*t, or are in any way gang related. yes?

[*mipadi*]

Not all emo is bad. Some of the original stuff is pretty good. Like any genre, emo has grown since its inception to include many different styles, some better than others. The little emo I listen to is from the very early stuff; I don't listen to anything new.

Incidentally, I wrote an essay about emo and posted it in the Writing forum a while back. I'm going to link it, because I'm a shameless self-promoter like that.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=96337

[*I Shot JFK*]

i liked michael's emo essay, i remember it...

sigh. i like whatever, really. and who has EVER called busted emo? really? as if.

[*Zatanna*]

To Emo or not to Emo? That is the question.

I don't like or hate *all* emo. I'm really indifferent as I don't like *all* rock, I don't like *all* techno, I don't like *all* indie, etc...

I just don't quite understand why these things have to be regarded in such absolute terms.

[*I Shot JFK*]

no, i agree with rebecca. i lke bands individually... i like something at least from almost all genres...

it does irritate me slightly that i shall be labeled emo or scene when i go to school tomorrow with my black hair

[QUELZ]

well i am a fan of From First To Last And My American Heart so i guess im in to that junk

[*januaryrain*]

emo shmemo

[*Statues/Shadows*]

I love Michael.

(and that's at least somewhat relevant to the topic, I swear)

[x__rilind]

Emo itself is such a fickle thing...

but yes. i quite enjoy many bands that are emo, whether they say they are, other people say they are, i say they are, or somebody else says they're not.

>rilind

[sillakilla220]

calm down.
& the reason why you don't see 'emo' band members getting shot is because they aren't out in the streets starting sh*t, or are in any way gang related. yes?

true... lemme put it this way then. no one would give a f**k if any of these emo singers died like they do rappers except for the few listeners cuz emo sucks

[*I Shot JFK*]

true... lemme put it this way then. no one would give a f**k if any of these emo singers died like they do rappers except for the few listeners cuz emo sucks

but, who cares if a rapper dies other than the listeners? i mean, obviously its very sad and whatnot, but beyond that, it makes no impact on anyone who wasnt a fan.

sigh, i prefer you when you are respudious, you know. at least you act inteligently when you spout rubbish then

[sillakilla220]

but, who cares if a rapper dies other than the listeners? i mean, obviously its very sad and whatnot, but beyond that, it makes no impact on anyone who wasnt a fan.

hmmm.... tupac and biggies deaths were 2 of the biggest stories in the 90's, and i GUARANTEE if eminem, ll cool j, nas, or jay-z died in the near future it would be headline news for weeks. Somehow I don't think that the same could be said if a singer in one of the lame bands posted died too. Don't get butthurt cuz no one likes emo, its just the way it is. Besides, if everyone liked emo then u guys couldnt say that youre different.

[*januaryrain*]

hmmm.... tupac and biggies deaths were 2 of the biggest stories in the 90's, and i GUARANTEE if eminem, ll cool j, nas, or jay-z died in the near future it would be headline news for weeks. Somehow I don't think that the same could be said if a singer in one of the lame bands posted died too. Don't get butthurt cuz no one likes emo, its just the way it is. Besides, if everyone liked emo then u guys couldnt say that youre different.

sillakilla, you back rap & hip hop up like it's your mother.
& you bitch about how emo sucks like they dissed her.
I don't want to be a bitch, but nobody cares if you hate emo or not.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

hmmm.... tupac and biggies deaths were 2 of the biggest stories in the 90's, and i GUARANTEE if eminem, ll cool j, nas, or jay-z died in the near future it would be headline news for weeks. Somehow I don't think that the same could be said if a singer in one of the lame bands posted died too. Don't get butthurt cuz no one likes emo, its just the way it is. Besides, if everyone liked emo then u guys couldnt say that youre different.

Rappers' deaths getting attention is not an arguement against other genres' polularity or influence. Sure, rap listeners care when they died. The rest of probably found it sad, but didn't really dwell on it too much beyond that because it isn't our concern. However, you cannot honestly say that if a member of an emo band or any other sort of rock died, they wouldn't get attention, because they would. Kurt Cobain, for example, killed himself and people still feel the need to talk and theorize about that (lots of people from that era died, actually, and while I don't care enough to remember who, people who liked them did enough that I know it occured). Even if you think back so far as Elvis, he wasn't a rapper and yet people still joke about him not being dead. Doesn't that sort of parallel Tupac and whoever? Your arguement doesn't work. People who liked the band will care, and the rest of us who don't will care less but still be aware from the news stories. Rap is not so superior to other forms of music that they will matter so much more and get so much more attention. You just don't like the other stuff, and thus don't personally consider it as significant.

[*I Shot JFK*]

hmmm.... tupac and biggies deaths were 2 of the biggest stories in the 90's, and i GUARANTEE if eminem, ll cool j, nas, or jay-z died in the near future it would be headline news for weeks. Somehow I don't think that the same could be said if a singer in one of the lame bands posted died too. Don't get butthurt cuz no one likes emo, its just the way it is. Besides, if everyone liked emo then u guys couldnt say that youre different.

to be fair... all that really shows is that rap is a bigger genre than emo... which is kinda obvious.

and honestly, i REALLY think you're overestimating how big that news would be... or at least its longevity

[flc]

Emo is the term used for an underground movement of music in the mid-80's through the early-90's. What does emo mean? Emo is emotionally charged hardcore punk rock or "emotive hardcore". It is simply just a subgenre of hardcore.

Ahh ha ha, I totally knew that, but today people want to call that type of personality emo too. Oh well.

As for liking or hating it, I don't really give a crap. People who get angry about emo people or "poseurs" or skaters or any other kind of stratum in today's society when it doesn't even directly affect them just have too much time on their hands. Let people live their lives.

But if it was one of my friends who was whining to me about something that wasn't a big deal at all, I'd just be like, shut the f*ck up.

[Your pain is not...]

I only skimmed through the topic, forgive me if I repeat anything or whatever.

(i stole the following from here)

That's a pretty good essay, I found one a few years ago that is very similar :

"LEASE LEARN A THING OR TWO, KIDS
Before all you dumb kids go prancing around proclaiming that "OMGGG MCR R SO EMOO" or "OMMGGGZ BRITE EYZ R TEH EMO-EST EVARRR" or WHATEVER the f**k.

PLEASE learn what emo is, ENLIGHTEN yourselves, by doing one thing.

READING THIS SHORT, VERY WELL INFORMED ESSAY.

Maybe afterwards YOU'LL f**king KNOW WHAT EMO IS.




THIS ESSAY WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME
What the f**k is emo, anyways?

"The definition of emo:

I was bored as hell the other day, and had absolutely nothing to do, so I thought to myself, “Why not write about something that means a lot to me?” I figured I would do an essay of sorts on the origins of emotive hardcore. It is somewhat biased, and opinionated, but nonetheless, I hope you’ll give it a quick read. Here it goes:

Emo is a term that is short for emotive hardcore. Most people these days think that emo is strictly short for emotional, but this is false. If emo just meant emotional, wouldn’t it encompass all musical genres, because all music has emotion in it? If you only pick one thing out of this article, be it that emo stands for emotive hardcore, not just emotional.

Many kids have the complete wrong sense of what emo is. Many earlier emo bands only released their songs on vinyl, and they were distributed minimally, so the origin of emo is lost among most people. This is my attempt at tracing it back to the start, in hopes to educate you. I’m sure there is going to be a lot of important bands and years missing, but hopefully it will give you a vague idea of how it all started out.

With that said, let’s move onto the history of emotive hardcore. Heres where the term emo came from: When Minor Threat broke up in 1983, the hardcore punk scene was getting pretty stale. In 1984, Husker Du released “Zen Arcade,” which somewhat set the blueprint for emo bands to follow. This album had the rough vocals, but it had more melody, and was a bit slower than their previous works. Many people give credit to this as the first emo album.

In the spring of 1984, a band called Rites of Spring was formed, containing members of previous hardcore bands The Untouchables/Faith and Deadline. This band kept the speed and stylings of hardcore punk rock, but the vocals were a lot more emotional, and at times even broke into a throaty moan. The lyrics also strayed from politics, and took a more emotional/profound look at life. Rites of Spring gets a lot of credit for being the first emotive hardcore band. Ian Mckaye, formerly of Minor Threat, got into a band called Embrace. Definitely different than Minor Threat, Embrace took a more emotional side to the lyrics as well, and were a lot more melodic. These bands, and much of the other bands on Dischord Records are now labeled as “The Classic DC Sound.” This was the first wave of emo bands.These bands focused more on emotion, than punk rock energy. Legend has it that while Rites of Spring, or Embrace, or Moss Icon were playing a show, someone from the crowd shouted “You’re emo!” and that’s how the term got started. The show where it happened, and which bands were playing always differ with whoever you talk to, so I have no idea how true it is. Don’t take my word on it.

From there, more and more emo bands started forming around North America. Moss Icon, which formed in 1986, started the loud/soft alternating twinkly guitar parts, and crashing distortion side of emo. Indian Summer and Native Nod, who were around 1995-96 are good examples of this, and focused more on the emotional part of the music, rather than the hardcore part, but were still hardcore. Emo was now a bit broader.
Bands like Heroin(1992), Angel Hair(1997?), and Antioch Arrow(1995?) on Gravity Records focused more on the hardcore part of the genre, but were still very emo. The music is pretty chaotic, with just enough melody to pullthings through, and the vocals are usually hoarsely screamed.

1997 marks the release of Saetias fist 7” record, and the debut of level-plane records.
I highly recommend that you pink Saetias “A retrospective” cd. At any rate, Level-plane records is probably the most famous emo label out there, and is still going strong today.
It has released many important and influential albums, and is a huge part of todays emo scene.

Some of the most important emo labels are as follows:
Dischord, www.dischord.com
Gravity, wwww.gravityrec.com
Ebullition, www.ebullition.com
31G, www.threeoneg.com
Level-plane, www.level-plane.com
Robotic Empire, www.roboticempire.com
Theres a lot more record labels out there, just take a look around the internet.
The above are just some of the ones that I enjoy.

Amanda Woodward, Angel Hair, Antioch Arrow, Bucket Full of Teeth, Circle Takes The Square, City of Caterpillar, Embrace, Envy, The Fiction, Heroin, Indian Summer, I Would Set Myself On Fire For You, Native Nod, Orchid, Pageninetynine, Rites of Spring, Yaphet Kotto, and You And I are some of my personal favorite emo bands.
Check them out if you’ve got the time.

Continuing on, a lot of bands are getting called emo by the mainstream, when in fact they are not. Take Dashboard Confessional for example. Chris Carraba just plays acoustic ballads. There is nothing hardcore about it. The music may be very “emotional” and heartfelt, but even so, it is not emo. The same goes for indie bands like Death Cab For Cutie, and Bright Eyes. Conor Oberst is a brilliant songwriter, and I love his work, but again, there is nothing hardcore about his music. Another common misconception about emo, is that bands like Taking Back Sunday, and My Chemical Romance are emo. To me, these bands are strictly pop punk, although their lyrics may seem very emotional at times, but emo doesn’t stand for emotional, now does it?

Another false interpretation of emo is the term “screamo.” I’m sure you’ve all heard this rant before, but I figured that I’d include it anyways. The media has used the term for bands like Thursday, and The Used. Because people call Dashboard Confessional emo, they interpret emo as “whiny watered down music for depressed kids who cut themselves.” With that as their idea of emo, it’s no wonder that people call The Used, or any other “whiny emotional band” that screams here and there “screamo.”

With emo standing for emotive hardcore, the way I see it, screamo would stand for:
Emotive hardcore + screaming, right? Wrong. Emotive hardcore contains screamed and/or whispered vocals in it already. Screamo = Emo. Just leave it at that. Even so, bands like The Used that are being labeled as “screamo” by the media aren’t emotive hardcore, so the term “screamo” is completely misused. The term “screamo” can be used for a band like orchid, although emo works just as well, but not for something like The Used.

I was talking to someone on nexopia the other day, and he was talking about screamo. I asked him what screamo is, and he replied with “any band that screams.” That is completely wrong as well. Metal bands scream. Hardcore bands scream. Punk bands scream. Hell, even Linkin Park screams. You can’t lump all of those genres into one super genre. It just doesn’t work.

Screamo is made up by the media to sell bands like The Used, Poison The Well, and such, to people who don’t know any better. As I said before, with people calling Dashboard Confessional emo, it’s no wonder that they call any band that screams “screamo.” Alas, this is false.

I first heard the term emo, when one of my friends joked “Stop being so emo, Evan.” I had no idea what emo was, so that evening, I went on the internet, and looked up the term emo, and tried to find some history on it. I was already into punk rock, and some hardcore at the time, so when I found out that emo was emotive hardcore, I was like “Wow, this stuff is pretty cool.” It really opened up my eyes to a lot of amazing music.
Emo is probably one of my favorite genres out there. Why do I love emo so much? Pure effing passion. When I actually sit down and listen to an emo record, and pay attention to nothing but the music, It’s amazing. Theres beautiful melodys duting the quiet parts of a song, and suddenly crashing distortion and chaos …theres just nothing else that compares to how much passion that emo bands put into there music. The music, and the lyrics of emo are simply some of the most beautiful and passionate stuff that I’ve ever heard. As long as emo bands keep screaming their hearts out, and keep putting out passionate music, I’ll be listening to it. "

written by Saetia at http://web6.www.nexopia.com/forumviewthrea...d=514706&page=0

I don't like the conventional wisdom of "emo" in today's (mostly teenage) society. A lot of people are still close minded about it and only see it as short for "emotional" or anything that is complaining or sad. It's quite upsetting. I don't have an opinion on "emo", just how it's seen and treated by naive people.

[sillakilla220]

im not arguing that rap is superior, i didnt mention that at all. i merely asked if ppl liked or hated emo and let u kno my distaste for it. in fact someone else brought rap into this thread so u can blame them for my rants. and jus to let whoever it was that said the biggie-tupac murders had no longevity know, biggie's mom was just rewarded a million bucks in damages by the city of los angeles for the botched handling of her son's case which happened 10 YRS AGO..... but anyways, i didnt read any of those long articles posted bout emo's real definition but regardless it is a sorry excuse for music. i dont mind good rock, jazz, reggae, or even classical at times so please dont dismiss it as ignorance this music jus sucks

[*I Shot JFK*]

im not arguing that rap is superior, i didnt mention that at all. i merely asked if ppl liked or hated emo and let u kno my distaste for it. in fact someone else brought rap into this thread so u can blame them for my rants. and jus to let whoever it was that said the biggie-tupac murders had no longevity know, biggie's mom was just rewarded a million bucks in damages by the city of los angeles for the botched handling of her son's case which happened 10 YRS AGO..... but anyways, i didnt read any of those long articles posted bout emo's real definition but regardless it is a sorry excuse for music. i dont mind good rock, jazz, reggae, or even classical at times so please dont dismiss it as ignorance this music jus sucks

no no, i didnt mean the current cases held no longevity, i meant that a future case wouldnt fill headlines for weeks, as you proposed.

but surely, you must see that it is ludicrous to dismiss an entire genre?

[dahding]

emo bands, bad or not, still make up a part of the music industry. as does rap. while there are some really bad generic washed up bands, there are also some good ones. same thing goes for rap. yes, tupac and biggie were amazing rappers, i definitely have to agree with that. and their deaths were remembered for quite some time. i'll give credit to that. some rappers are good, and some are well, really bad, like 50 cent. i'm not saying that emo bands are necessarily superior to rappers, but i simply choose to approve of all genres of music. if they can get their name out there, and make at least one person like their music, then they've got to be doing something right.

and yeah, i have to agree with james. perhaps ur misjudging the longevity of how long something would appear in the news? perhaps not weeks, more like days. yes, many people listen to rap, and it's also promoted more so by mtv and the media, compared to emo bands.

and u say that u approve of "good rock," jazz, reggae, and even sometimes classical. and u claim that ur dismissing it as ignorance. well i got news for u buddy, unless if u've listened to every emo band known to mankind, which is literally impossible, seeing as how new emo bands appear every day, u can not say for 100% sure that ALL emo bands suck. u have a predisposition to say that emo bands suck, because maybe u heard some bands that u don't like. well, in that case, what do u define as emo music? and what do u consider "bad rock"?

to each his own music. don't be blindsided by ur distaste for a certain style. just respect the fact that they can get their name out there in the real world and get fans. u don't have to like them, no one's saying that u have to. but at least have the courtesy not to talk crap about them like u know enough to make a mature judgement about them.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ i like you.

[*Weird addiction*]

^ I wanna fcuk you

[*I Shot JFK*]

^roar

[me1issaaaa]

hmmm.... tupac and biggies deaths were 2 of the biggest stories in the 90's, and i GUARANTEE if eminem, ll cool j, nas, or jay-z died in the near future it would be headline news for weeks. Somehow I don't think that the same could be said if a singer in one of the lame bands posted died too. Don't get butthurt cuz no one likes emo, its just the way it is. Besides, if everyone liked emo then u guys couldnt say that youre different.

That is a good point. If the rappers were to die, it would be huge in comparison to Adam Lazarra or someone dying, unfortunately. It's pretty sad.

And of the bands listed under the emo category, I've only heard of one or two of them... and was not impressed at all. Maybe some of the other ones are better, but I don't particularly care to find out.

[*januaryrain*]

this is getting pretty out of hand! fuckings & roarings, whoa!

[letsgoxdisco]

so what is emo anymore anyway? this is a rhetorical question. i don't care for it, i guess. no, i don't really care.

[*I Shot JFK*]

so what is emo anymore anyway? this is a rhetorical question. i don't care for it, i guess. no, i don't really care.

well, i recomend starting with the three essays already posted or linked in this thread itself. that woul sappear to be an obvious source of information.

[dahding]

the definition of emo is not finite. it's interpreted differently by each individual. big deal.

and james, i like you too. we should talk more.

[sillakilla220]

emo bands, bad or not, still make up a part of the music industry. as does rap. while there are some really bad generic washed up bands, there are also some good ones. same thing goes for rap. yes, tupac and biggie were amazing rappers, i definitely have to agree with that. and their deaths were remembered for quite some time. i'll give credit to that. some rappers are good, and some are well, really bad, like 50 cent. i'm not saying that emo bands are necessarily superior to rappers, but i simply choose to approve of all genres of music. if they can get their name out there, and make at least one person like their music, then they've got to be doing something right.

and yeah, i have to agree with james. perhaps ur misjudging the longevity of how long something would appear in the news? perhaps not weeks, more like days. yes, many people listen to rap, and it's also promoted more so by mtv and the media, compared to emo bands.

and u say that u approve of "good rock," jazz, reggae, and even sometimes classical. and u claim that ur dismissing it as ignorance. well i got news for u buddy, unless if u've listened to every emo band known to mankind, which is literally impossible, seeing as how new emo bands appear every day, u can not say for 100% sure that ALL emo bands suck. u have a predisposition to say that emo bands suck, because maybe u heard some bands that u don't like. well, in that case, what do u define as emo music? and what do u consider "bad rock"?

to each his own music. don't be blindsided by ur distaste for a certain style. just respect the fact that they can get their name out there in the real world and get fans. u don't have to like them, no one's saying that u have to. but at least have the courtesy not to talk crap about them like u know enough to make a mature judgement about them.

i didnt mean "good rock" i meant good rock, good jazz, good reggae, and good classical. but its not ignorance to say i dont like emo cuz i havent heard every single band. cuz i dont like the genre. i dont have to smell every pile of sh*t to kno that it stinks. but i respect every genre, even if i dont like it. in fact, some members of the bands listed earlier prolly have more musical talent than some of the rappers i listen to, but i still dont like it. if i ever want to commit suicide then i prolly will throw sum emo on to set the mood. until then i'll keep my emo intake to the brief periods when i see them on mtv

[Afrodisiac-aka-A...]

I hate 'em the same why i hate all blacks i'm f*ckin wit cha.

(i'm african. my real name is toby coon)

[n00b]

Emo music is not bad.
Indie creams it though.
Sometimes emo boys can be really cute
you have to admit.

[*I Shot JFK*]

i didnt mean "good rock" i meant good rock, good jazz, good reggae, and good classical. but its not ignorance to say i dont like emo cuz i havent heard every single band. cuz i dont like the genre. i dont have to smell every pile of sh*t to kno that it stinks. but i respect every genre, even if i dont like it. in fact, some members of the bands listed earlier prolly have more musical talent than some of the rappers i listen to, but i still dont like it. if i ever want to commit suicide then i prolly will throw sum emo on to set the mood. until then i'll keep my emo intake to the brief periods when i see them on mtv

well what happened to "good emo"?

the definition of emo is not finite. it's interpreted differently by each individual. big deal.

and james, i like you too. we should talk more.

add me on myspace : www.myspace.com/takemorepills

[banthisaccountno...]

I have a feeling most of the people that have posted in this topic haven't read any of the essays posted.

Pity. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

i absolutely LOVE emo music. and punk, popock, indie, alternative, post-hardcore, folk, acoustic, ect. basically all types of rock that aren't obnoxiously loud. but that's not the point here.

i agree with that guy too, music is music. doesn't matter what genre, it's still music... and although emo and rap are both music, there are still things that set them apart. [such as the meaning of the songs...]

and a band doesn't have to be emo to write emo music. some bands have specific songs that are emo [or emo-ish].

anyways, not all emo music is on MTV. [i HATE MTV.] not all emo music is 'bad'. and i bet most of you that have responded don't know at least 20 emo songs. and you have to listen to it to understand the lyrics-they have a deeper meaning, you know...

[dahding]

i didnt mean "good rock" i meant good rock, good jazz, good reggae, and good classical. but its not ignorance to say i dont like emo cuz i havent heard every single band. cuz i dont like the genre. i dont have to smell every pile of sh*t to kno that it stinks. but i respect every genre, even if i dont like it. in fact, some members of the bands listed earlier prolly have more musical talent than some of the rappers i listen to, but i still dont like it. if i ever want to commit suicide then i prolly will throw sum emo on to set the mood. until then i'll keep my emo intake to the brief periods when i see them on mtv

let's read this over...shall we?

"i didnt mean "good rock", i meant good rock"

right. like that makes perfect sense. oh, pardon me m'lord. i don't understand ur utmost brilliant methods of conveying ur skewed ideas. i'm just a lowly peon. boofreakinhoo. how does that make any sense? can anyone relay this to me? maybe i'm just misinterpreting this...or maybe i'm literate.

and it is ignorance to generalize emo as some sad little band who only sings about suicide, and how some whore dumped them, so that they feel all depressed about life.

that's just overused generalized mediocre piece of sh*t that many people, such as urself, believe. yeah, you don't have to listen to EVERY band possible. unless if u can't read, i said that it's impossible to, seeing as how there are so many bands rising up every day, every hour, etc etc. u say that ur not ignorant. well, look who believes in the generalized stereotype of the colloquial term "emo". if u refer to emo music as the very poorly portrayed vision of pathetic little depressed boys in tight pants who sing about razor blades and eyeliner and depression, then please, by all means, take their cd's if u hate them so much, snap them in half, and cut ur wrists with them. that way, we'll all be rid of yet another loud mouthed ignorant fool.<-- quote from foamy. and then some.

i never said u have to listen to it. so stop being such a little prick about how, "OMGZ, EMO MUSIC, IT'S SUCH sh*t, I'M WISE LISTEN TO ME I KNOW ALL ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S WRONG IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY." u sure as hell don't respect every genre of rap there is, especially if ur comparing it to smelling sh*t. which i'm sure u do every saturday night, god knows why. i'm saying that u over generalize emo music, therefore, it blindsides u to the possibility of emo music actually being likeable, which in turn makes u ignorant to the truth, and which in turn, makes u a big freakin liar, because u claim to be unbiased towards music genres, when it's blatantly obvious that u do.

now go hide in ur corner and cry, so u can get ur daily dose of emo.



christ in a kayak.

[Shahin]

Hate it.

[*mipadi*]

that's just overused generalized mediocre piece of sh*t that many people, such as urself, believe. yeah, you don't have to listen to EVERY band possible. unless if u can't read, i said that it's impossible to, seeing as how there are so many bands rising up every day, every hour, etc etc. u say that ur not ignorant. well, look who believes in the generalized stereotype of the colloquial term "emo". if u refer to emo music as the very poorly portrayed vision of pathetic little depressed boys in tight pants who sing about razor blades and eyeliner and depression, then please, by all means, take their cd's if u hate them so much, snap them in half, and cut ur wrists with them. that way, we'll all be rid of yet another loud mouthed ignorant fool.<-- quote from foamy. and then some.

You pretty much just emphasized the emo stereotype.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

I agree with what ocpimple said on the first page.

Some emo is good, some isnt. Its pretty much the same with any genre. Some are better than others.
I like some emo. Elliot is really good.

[voguelove]

true emo bands..eh, i dont like them. some do that whole shouting/screamo thing which kinda makes me wanna punch somebody in the face. however, the "light punk/alternate" bands are awesome.

death cab
panic at the disco
motion city soundtrack

i love those.

[dahding]

You pretty much just emphasized the emo stereotype.

yeah, i know. as an emphasis of how people will use such a stereotype. sarcasm at its best.

[sillakilla220]

right. like that makes perfect sense. oh, pardon me m'lord. i don't understand ur utmost brilliant methods of conveying ur skewed ideas. i'm just a lowly peon. boofreakinhoo. how does that make any sense? can anyone relay this to me? maybe i'm just misinterpreting this...or maybe i'm literate.

and it is ignorance to generalize emo as some sad little band who only sings about suicide, and how some whore dumped them, so that they feel all depressed about life.

that's just overused generalized mediocre piece of sh*t that many people, such as urself, believe. yeah, you don't have to listen to EVERY band possible. unless if u can't read, i said that it's impossible to, seeing as how there are so many bands rising up every day, every hour, etc etc. u say that ur not ignorant. well, look who believes in the generalized stereotype of the colloquial term "emo". if u refer to emo music as the very poorly portrayed vision of pathetic little depressed boys in tight pants who sing about razor blades and eyeliner and depression, then please, by all means, take their cd's if u hate them so much, snap them in half, and cut ur wrists with them. that way, we'll all be rid of yet another loud mouthed ignorant fool.<-- quote from foamy. and then some.

i never said u have to listen to it. so stop being such a little prick about how, "OMGZ, EMO MUSIC, IT'S SUCH sh*t, I'M WISE LISTEN TO ME I KNOW ALL ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S WRONG IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY." u sure as hell don't respect every genre of rap there is, especially if ur comparing it to smelling sh*t. which i'm sure u do every saturday night, god knows why. i'm saying that u over generalize emo music, therefore, it blindsides u to the possibility of emo music actually being likeable, which in turn makes u ignorant to the truth, and which in turn, makes u a big freakin liar, because u claim to be unbiased towards music genres, when it's blatantly obvious that u do.

ahhhhhh u mad... hahahaha.... so u dont like when ppl make generalizations about music either?

[dahding]

ahhhhhh u mad... hahahaha.... so u dont like when ppl make generalizations about music either?

yeah, but then again, i just don't really like you. that might add to it.

[starlette]

i wear my hair parted on the left because i cry on the right.

hehe. sorry. I dont have a problem with any kind of music, its the stupid depressed attention hungry teenagers that piss me off. I hate preps and I hate jocks an dI hate trends but look at me giving into a treand. Im different, except there are a million people behaving just like me. That bothers me, if ur gonna be trendy, at least be honest about it.

[i_love_billie_jo...]

personally i like what most people refer to as "emo". i meen whatever anyone wants to categorize emo into is upto them, i also think that there is no actually meaning of the word "emo" its used to freely and eaisly and different poeple have different ideas of what the word means. i meen 2 years ago when i walked down the street no one would say anything, but now im being called "emo" left right and center. also i think the punk/rock/metal music is getting called emo. meen "apparently" green day and blink 182 is emo these days ... ok u take an everage pop song. "behind these hazel eyes" by kelly clarksen, allright now u add some heavey guitars and some screamo to that. theres your new emo song. and another thing, "apparently" everyone who listens to "emo" music is a depressed cutter, i'll be the first to admit that i listen to music that sings about that stuff, but i dont go near the razor. and "apparently" everyone thats wearing skinny jeans and has the cliche "emo" look is going to go slit their rists any minute. but watever, people will continue to think wot they will.

[*I Shot JFK*]

ahhhhhh u mad... hahahaha.... so u dont like when ppl make generalizations about music either?

implying that you dont like it?

but... your whol eposition has been based on gross generalization...

[much2muse]

however, the "light punk/alternate" bands are awesome.

death cab
panic at the disco
motion city soundtrack

i love those.

agreed.

i meen 2 years ago when i walked down the street no one would say anything, but now im being called "emo" left right and center.

how true.

i like all types of music really. it just depends on the band and song. -shrugs-