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If You Had The Chance To Change Your Screen Name..., Hmmm...
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:40 PM
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Ok if you had the chance to change your CB screename:

-Would You Do It?
-Why
-What Would You Change It Too.

I REALLY want to CHANGE mine not MAKE A NEW ONE... Why because this one is RETARDED i would change it to SuzieRawkSoxx Hehe Why Because that ones COOL.! happy.gif


YAY I GOT MY USERNAME CHANGED!!!!!
 
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Smoogrish
post Apr 12 2006, 05:43 PM
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I wouldn't change mine. I like it because it's awesomelicious. Very much so.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:44 PM
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^Indeed, I like your screen name alot _smile.gif.
If you want to change your screen name then PM a administrator.
Okay, I got like 57127589195 screen names.
Why? Because I am bored of the old one tongue.gif.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Intoxique @ Apr 12 2006, 11:44 PM) *
^Indeed, I like your screen name alot _smile.gif.
If you want to change your screen name then PM a administrator.
Okay, I got like 57127589195 screen names.
Why? Because I am bored of the old one tongue.gif.

well, sure, but they'll tell you no.
; )

i JUST changed mine, so im happy for the moment... have a few future ideas though
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 6:45 PM) *
well, sure, but they'll tell you no.
; )

i JUST changed mine, so im happy for the moment... have a few future ideas though


Not to make this A DISSCUSSION but why would they say NO? ermm.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:49 PM
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I don't need to change my screen name. I always change it. But I've do wish I can resend an e-mail confirmation for these:

1.) Princess Peach
2.) Trojan Man
3.) Trojan Condoms

And I would like (don't steal mad.gif ):

1.) Not Sexual Anymore
2.) Kantot-sama
3.) Blob of Bob <--my favorite
4.) WonderishlyIshy
5.) Filipino Cheap Condom
6.) Macy's Dept Store
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:51 PM
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yen - 'cheap filipino condom' sounds better
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(Blow_Don't_SUCK @ Apr 12 2006, 6:49 PM) *
I don't need to change my screen name. I always change it. But I've do wish I can resend an e-mail confirmation for these:

1.) Princess Peach
2.) Trojan Man
3.) Trojan Condoms

And I would like (don't steal mad.gif ):

1.) Not Sexual Anymore
2.) Kantot-sama
3.) Blob of Bob <--my favorite
4.) WonderishlyIshy
5.) Filipino Cheap Condom
6.) Macy's Dept Store


ROTFL i like #1 Not Sexual Anymore...

You know you really are very sexual LOL.tongue.gif Then again arent we all sometimes? wink.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 3:45 PM) *
well, sure, but they'll tell you no.
; )
i JUST changed mine, so im happy for the moment... have a few future ideas though
No, I have seen a couple of people who got a screen name change.
Yen - I like Mary's Dept Store _smile.gif.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(Intoxique @ Apr 12 2006, 11:55 PM) *
No, I have seen a couple of people who got a screen name change.
Yen - I like Mary's Dept Store _smile.gif.

yea, they had exceptional circumstances. nicki was one, who are any others?

the rule is, no more name changes. trust me, i asked.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:57 PM
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I don't want to change mine. I'm fine with tic tac..
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 6:57 PM) *
yea, they had exceptional circumstances. nicki was one, who are any others?

the rule is, no more name changes. trust me, i asked.


Do You know WHY? I REALLY REALLY REALLY want one.... cry.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(swtcherriipie @ Apr 12 2006, 3:59 PM) *
Do You know WHY? I REALLY REALLY REALLY want one.... cry.gif

Do you even have a reason why you want a new one besides you really really want one? huh.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 6:51 PM) *
yen - 'cheap filipino condom' sounds better

I know but it's a rule I made up, Filipino comes first.

//edit

If you have an exceptionally good reason for the screen name change, I think they'll allow it.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:02 PM
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James - I can only think of one now (iNyCxShoRT to My Cinderella.).
swtcherriipie - because one time we got to change our screen names & then it got really confusing who was who so now we can't change our screen name. If you really want a new screen name then make a new account like I did _smile.gif.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:04 PM
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What sucks about new accounts is the reset of post counts. One of the main reasons why I made my screen names a bit "sexual" was just to make sure if I hate it I can ask a screen name change and use my reason as, "It's pornographic, giving little kids bad ideas."
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:05 PM
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oh thats right, i remember. i can only assume she made a convincing case

i for one REALLY dont understand the confusion... i didnt get confused, teh avatars and sigs stayed the same for the most part, and there was a f**kin list for people to reference. ridiculously overhyped in my opinion.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(Intoxique @ Apr 12 2006, 7:02 PM) *
James - I can only think of one now (iNyCxShoRT to My Cinderella.).
swtcherriipie - because one time we got to change our screen names & then it got really confusing who was who so now we can't change our screen name. If you really want a new screen name then make a new account like I did _smile.gif.



I guess i dont have a good reason.. I mean i really dont want to get a new one because its like UGH but c'mmon whats a good excuse?! Im on a diet because im obeise and my screen name reminds me of my favorite food? NOT! AHH i need a reason!!! sad.gif The only one i have is because im just NOT HAPPY with this one anymore its so childish and stupid.

*Yen you got official member CONGRATS!


0h0h0h0h0h0 Maybe someone can accuse me of my screenname being SEXUAL....
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:08 PM
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Yen - Oh, so that's why some of your screen names sound kinda sexual laugh.gif. But your screen name are creative _smile.gif.
James - Ditto. You could tell who was who by their siggie & avatars. It sucks that we can't change our screen names anymore, I get bored of my screen name really quick thats why I got like 5727582789 accounts.
swtcherriipie - It's obese. It just bugs the hell out of my when people can't spell a eating disorder correctly mellow.gif.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(swtcherriipie @ Apr 13 2006, 12:07 AM) *
I guess i dont have a good reason.. I mean i really dont want to get a new one because its like UGH but c'mmon whats a good excuse?! Im on a diet because im obeise and my screen name reminds me of my favorite food? NOT! AHH i need a reason!!! sad.gif

haha. thats actualyl pretty good!

it doesnt hurt to ask, the worst that can happen is you're told no.

just pm the admins
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:08 PM
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If you have a reason like, everyone hated you and you wanted to make yourself anonymous and have a new start, you can have that!
 
*I Shot JFK*
post Apr 12 2006, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(Blow_Don't_SUCK @ Apr 13 2006, 12:08 AM) *
If you have a reason like, everyone hated you and you wanted to make yourself anonymous and have a new start, you can have that!

well that's silly... everyone would know you werent new by your psot count

you'd be told to just create a new account
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:17 PM
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Once upon a time, official members wree allowed to change their screennames in one of the threads. This wreaked much havoc and chaos in the kingdom of Createblog. So the great rulers revoked the right to change screennames because the knights of the kingdom did not know who was who.

It was just too much of a hassle for the admins to change everyone's username and everyone got confused, simply put.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(Intoxique @ Apr 12 2006, 7:08 PM) *
Yen - Oh, so that's why some of your screen names sound kinda sexual laugh.gif. But your screen name are creative _smile.gif.
James - Ditto. You could tell who was who by their siggie & avatars. It sucks that we can't change our screen names anymore, I get bored of my screen name really quick thats why I got like 5727582789 accounts.
swtcherriipie - It's obese. It just bugs the hell out of my when people can't spell a eating disorder correctly mellow.gif.


LOL ok. Obese. happy.gif Anyways anyone know a N.I.C.E admin i can consult? ermm.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:19 PM
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Once upon a time, official members wree allowed to change their screennames in one of the threads. This wreaked much havoc and chaos in the kingdom of Createblog. So the great rulers revoked the right to change screennames because the knights of the kingdom did not know who was who.

It was just too much of a hassle for the admins to change everyone's username and everyone got confused, simply put.


sorry, but i really dont buy the hassle thing... it takes like, 5 seconds to change a username. and there weren't THAT many changes made.

and how many people were GENUINELY confused by the new usernames? i mean like, for mor ethan 5 seconds when they went 'eh?' and realized what was up?
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:28 PM
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You see it cant be THAT hard i mean.. UGH... cry.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:28 PM
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^even though the majority wasn't confused, I don't think they wanted anyone confused so it was just eradicated.

QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 7:10 PM) *
well that's silly... everyone would know you werent new by your psot count

you'd be told to just create a new account

People can have the same post counts too. You never know!
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(Blow_Don't_SUCK @ Apr 13 2006, 12:28 AM) *
^even though the majority wasn't confused, I don't think they wanted anyone confused so it was just eradicated.
People can have the same post counts too. You never know!


oh for goodness sake.. AS IF anyone would really be confused enough to cause problems, really.

and yes yen, maybe. but they wouldnt change your username for it. honestly.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(Smoogrish @ Apr 12 2006, 7:17 PM) *
Once upon a time, official members wree allowed to change their screennames in one of the threads. This wreaked much havoc and chaos in the kingdom of Createblog. So the great rulers revoked the right to change screennames because the knights of the kingdom did not know who was who.

It was just too much of a hassle for the admins to change everyone's username and everyone got confused, simply put.

You've only been here since December..blink.gif

Anyway, if someone really wants to know who someone used to be, all they have to do is look on their profile and under that more options thing choose the option about usernames and it'll give the history.

If that's too difficult, you deserve to be confused.

And as far as the admins go, it doesn't take that much work. You'll hardly be bombarded with requests, and you may as well do something productive with your powers.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:37 PM
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have i mentioned i love nicki?

no?

well, I LOVE NICKI.

seriously.. no one will be confused, if it is well publicised, and all they have to do is look...
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:38 PM
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*Waves arms* I'd love to change mine. I've wanted to for quite some time now, actually. I hate this one... I made it when I was a freshman and didn't think I'd even be active on here. Like, ever. I'd probably change it to either:
- Me1issa
- flawedx

Or something along those lines. I would just do it the easy way and make a new one, but... that's kind of frowned upon here. _dry.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:39 PM
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Would I change it - Uh huh. No really. I would.

Why - Because I'm owning everybody's faces and they're crying. And they're making a lot of noise in this here bag.

What to - Janetteer. I like that name :O I'm in the process of changing it..but I can't f**king get the confirmation email. Damnit.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(swtcherriipie @ Apr 12 2006, 4:18 PM) *
Anyways anyone know a N.I.C.E admin i can consult? ermm.gif
PM Just_Dream, Mona Lisa or MzKandi.
QUOTE(xoxo_koala_kisses_ @ Apr 12 2006, 4:38 PM) *
- Me1issa
- flawedx
I like flawedx _smile.gif.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 06:44 PM
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flawedx would be a nice, melissa.

i SWEAR you made another account once, me1ssa
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:03 PM
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She did make one, but it was easier not to change. because they wouldn't chnage it for her because she'd gone too long without posting to become an official member
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:07 PM
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oh. how irritating is that?
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:10 PM
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I supported her, but I lost.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Statues/Shadows @ Apr 12 2006, 8:03 PM) *
She did make one, but it was easier not to change. because they wouldn't chnage it for her because she'd gone too long without posting to become an official member


Exactly. Which is why I wanted the new one so I could become an official member, but... nope.
And this one doesn't help any because I was hardly ever on from July to February because I didn't have my own computer. Now I do, so I'm trying to catch up. It's such a pain pinch.gif

I know you tried to help, Nicki. I really did appreciate it. You have no idea. Thank you again hug.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:12 PM
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I think they should have at least transferred your post count from the old one to avoid too much confusion. It's been done before.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:14 PM
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mmm. and i would like that done for me too... just because im vain about my post count really.

ah well. life goes on.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:17 PM
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Copy that.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(Statues/Shadows @ Apr 12 2006, 7:35 PM) *
You've only been here since December.. blink.gif

Anyway, if someone really wants to know who someone used to be, all they have to do is look on their profile and under that more options thing choose the option about usernames and it'll give the history.

If that's too difficult, you deserve to be confused.

And as far as the admins go, it doesn't take that much work. You'll hardly be bombarded with requests, and you may as well do something productive with your powers.


I had a ton of usernames. shifty.gif I've been around for a while.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:23 PM
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And those would be...?
 
*swtcherriipie*
post Apr 12 2006, 07:25 PM
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Do you think theres more of a chance an admin will change it if im an "official member"?
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(swtcherriipie @ Apr 12 2006, 5:25 PM) *
Do you think theres more of a chance an admin will change it if im an "official member"?
Does it even matter? It probably doesn't. You could try though...
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(swtcherriipie @ Apr 13 2006, 1:25 AM) *
Do you think theres more of a chance an admin will change it if im an "official member"?

it seems doubtful.

mona and kiera are both online. just ask one of them.

kiera would be your best bet. she tends to be quicker answering pms.
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 8:28 PM) *
it seems doubtful.

mona and kiera are both online. just ask one of them.

kiera would be your best bet. she tends to be quicker answering pms.



Whats kieras CB S/N
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:30 PM
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^mzkandi
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:33 PM
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Thnx Yen. happy.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:38 PM
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idk...i'm not very creative.
the best thing i can come up with is: steffff.
b/c my nickname is steff
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:42 PM
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OK i was really freaked out about asking this but then i was like hey whats the worst that could happen.. Anyways when i first started CB i didnt really think i was going to be active in the forums AT ALL. ermm.gif But now im like tottaly IN LOVE with CB and i try my hardest to contribute im really close to Official member and as i said befor i wasnt planning on being on CB all the time but i am and here it goes...

I was wonderign if i could change my username to SuzieRawkSoxx ?

I mean to be honest im really un-happy with my current one i mean its SILLY and not to mention it makes me hungry not helping my diet AT ALL lol shifty.gif But in all honesty it was the first thing that popped into my head when i was signing up for cb...

Please oh please wont you help me out JUST THIS 1 TIMR and change my s/n.

Well if you cant thank you for just READING all this lol. Bye. _smile.gif flowers.gif


OMG OMG OMG U GUYS I DID IT!!! TELL ME HOW WAS IT!?!?!?!?! biggrin.gif laugh.gif dance.gif yahoo.gif
 
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QUOTE(swtcherriipie @ Apr 12 2006, 8:25 PM) *
Do you think theres more of a chance an admin will change it if im an "official member"?

The chance is slim, but there's no chance at all if you aren't one.
 
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QUOTE(Statues/Shadows @ Apr 12 2006, 8:42 PM) *
The chance is slim, but there's no chance at all if you aren't one.



Oh no.... cry.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:46 PM
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well at least you asked... and i like you, you seem sweet.

so nothing lost.
 
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w00p w00p IM sweet.. lol thnks i really hope she changes it though.. <3 ♥♥♥

QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 8:46 PM) *
well at least you asked... and i like you, you seem sweet.

so nothing lost.


....... shifty.gif Hehe im a bad girl...Not even official member.
 
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I personally have no problems changing usernames. I dont think it causes that much confusion....... whistling.gif
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 07:51 PM
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i'd change mine to "d**k Cheney's Quail."
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 08:08 PM
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OMG OMG OMG OMG SHE DID IT YAY!! NEW USERNAME BEYOTCHES!!! ♥♥♥♥
 
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did you just notice? it happened like 10 minutes ago.

and i havent had a reply to my post count request

= (
 
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 9:10 PM) *
did you just notice? it happened like 10 minutes ago.

and i havent had a reply to my post count request

= (



What do you mean post count requests PUMPKIN? flowers.gif
 
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well, muffin, i asked if they would move my posts from my old account to my new one. just because im vain about my posts, of course

; )
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 6:45 PM) *
well, sure, but they'll tell you no.
; )

i JUST changed mine, so im happy for the moment... have a few future ideas though
^ Not to mine they didn't. _unsure.gif but I guess I got lucky.

I wouldn't change mine. I like it.
 
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Apr 12 2006, 9:14 PM) *
well, muffin, i asked if they would move my posts from my old account to my new one. just because im vain about my posts, of course

; )



LOL SHOW-OFF!!! im so00 j.k lol well i hope they respond.. biggrin.gif hehe. what to do what to do... maybe ill post a picture in member piiks... wink.gif
 
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We can get a post count request?
 
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post Apr 12 2006, 10:27 PM
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I already did.
 
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Sammi told me that we're not allowed to change them unless there's like a good reason because people get confused about who you are. But I don't know why she said that because on your profile there's that thing showing all your old usernames..

And no, I wouldn't do it. I already changed it once, and I'm pretty happy with this one for now.

And I Shot JFK, why didn't you just ask to change your username in the first place instead of making a new account??
 
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He did ask, they said no.
 
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- My AIM screen name used to be this, but for some reason AOL banned my screen name so I don't like this no more. The idea I got for my new screen name is 10000 x's better anyways, it combines my last name which is "Ha" and the word awesome to make....
- hausome
 
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QUOTE(Blow_Don't_SUCK @ Apr 12 2006, 5:49 PM) *
I don't need to change my screen name. I always change it. But I've do wish I can resend an e-mail confirmation for these:

1.) Princess Peach
2.) Trojan Man
3.) Trojan Condoms

And I would like (don't steal mad.gif ):

1.) Not Sexual Anymore
2.) Kantot-sama
3.) Blob of Bob <--my favorite
4.) WonderishlyIshy
5.) Filipino Cheap Condom
6.) Macy's Dept Store


combine those < SEX :)


OMG wrong sn -__-

This post has been edited by exotic_pinoy: Apr 13 2006, 12:10 AM
 
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post Apr 13 2006, 12:29 AM
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"magical cat"

haha it will be a funny screen name XD
 
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QUOTE(x__Elle. @ Apr 13 2006, 4:35 AM) *
Sammi told me that we're not allowed to change them unless there's like a good reason because people get confused about who you are. But I don't know why she said that because on your profile there's that thing showing all your old usernames..

And no, I wouldn't do it. I already changed it once, and I'm pretty happy with this one for now.

And I Shot JFK, why didn't you just ask to change your username in the first place instead of making a new account??

i did, i was told no.

my name is james, btw = )
 
misoshiru
post Apr 13 2006, 08:18 AM
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^ James it's being discussed.

QUOTE(amy nemoto @ Apr 13 2006, 1:01 PM) *
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Please don't spam.


And well, since current policy doesn't really allow members to change screennames/usernames, and this is more of a discussion at the moment, I'll close this unless someone thinks otherwise.
 
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