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![]() tempararely retired ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 835 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,368 ![]() |
Do you think drugz like marijuana, crack, coccaine, and other illegal drugz should become legal? Why or why not.
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![]() ÖÐÎÄÈí¼þ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,072 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 10,655 ![]() |
Of course not. Why would I want them to become legal? Those life-ruiners.
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No, it'll just cause more chaos. Although some patients with some kind of illnesses do get it legally through prescriptions.
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*Kathleen* |
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Even if we did use it for medical studies, people could easily become addicted. Then we'll just have another tobacco-like problem.
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![]() i'm 11,386. back off BITCHES!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,596 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,386 ![]() |
no cuz its bad for u
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![]() Katrina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 209 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,945 ![]() |
Can't wait to see people saying they should be legal...
![]() Anyways. NO way...People would start using drugs as an excuse. In court they would plea not guilty for the charge of muder and claim they were under the influence of drugs and that you can't blame them. Or they were "temporary insane". Also, would you want a bunch of curious people trying PCP and having insane hallucinations? People under the influnce of PCP believe they have "devils" or "spirits" in them and that the only way to release them was to get them out by cutting themselves with knives. I for one don't want to see that. I have a story that a police office told us during the police academy about a guy under the influence of PCP and well..he "let out the devils" by doing something so...crazy...sucks he did that to himself...it's to gross to post |
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*Kathleen* |
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I think the main argument is going to be for medical usage. I don't think that's that strong of a point, though, seeing you can use other drugs that aren't addictive, nor harmful.
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![]() We are the cure. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,936 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,456 ![]() |
why do you think they were made illegal anyways?
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![]() [[one piece :D ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,722 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 795 ![]() |
Well soo far.
I think there's only one drug that's legal. createBlog. Woot! |
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sure they can become legal so that we can turn inot a world of pot smoking hippie b*tches ya no.
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QUOTE(jewishbabeygirl87 @ May 15 2004, 6:07 AM) sure they can become legal so that we can turn inot a world of pot smoking hippie b*tches ya no. Read the guidlines please. Anyways, I agree with nick. Drugs were made illegal for a reason, you know. |
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QUOTE(jewishbabeygirl87 @ May 15 2004, 7:07 AM) sure they can become legal so that we can turn inot a world of pot smoking hippie b*tches ya no. Ok I'm not trying to be mean or anything here, but it's people like you that make this world a horrible place to live in. ![]() We are trying to evolve as a society and make a new and better tomorrow for everyone. Legalizing dangerous drugs such as those would just bring us back even further. We can't make any progress if we're all stoned... |
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drugs? they sucks? they should ban all them drinking drinks, smokes, drugs, bombs, guns etc. heck i even hate medicine! so what in the world makes you think i'll try drugs?
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![]() Master Debater ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,066 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,719 ![]() |
QUOTE Can't wait to see people saying they should be legal... Guess i'll take the pro-drug stance even though we probably are better off without them being legalized. Although i've never taken drugs, I have expierenced what they do to people's lives. It's kind of like alcohol and smoking, kids mainly do it only because they shouldn't. I've been to Europe on several occastions were a 12 year old could buy a bottle of vodka should they want to, but they don't. No "rebel without a cause" syndrome down there thanks in part to the acceptance of alcohol. QUOTE No, it'll just cause more chaos. First, let me site an example. Amsterdam. I believe they have marijuana legalized there, and they arn't in a constant state of chaos or anything rivaling that. Canada is on it's way there if it plays it's cards right. QUOTE Anyways. NO way...People would start using drugs as an excuse. In court they would plea not guilty for the charge of muder and claim they were under the influence of drugs and that you can't blame them. People already do that alot more then you'd suspect. And if they are desperate enough and don't have a drug history, they'll plead insanity. Drugs don't get much sympathy in court anyways. QUOTE Then we'll just have another tobacco-like problem. I never saw tobacco as a problem. Usually people that smoke it started in their youth. They started in their youth because it was the bad "cool" thing to do. They still do it because of the age restriction. I honestly can't see why people would do tobacco for any other reason, a cool long drag on a cig = sh!t taste. QUOTE no cuz its bad for u So is Alcohol and Tobacco, yet those are accepeted to some extent. QUOTE Also, would you want a bunch of curious people trying PCP and having insane hallucinations? If someone's stupidly curious enough to try a hallucigin(sp?), they'll get there hands on it one way or another. QUOTE I think the main argument is going to be for medical usage. I have a new argument, perhaps the legalization of drugs would put a stop to the drug wars running rampant through out the world. Less cartel killings, less gangs, less dirty money, less terrorists. The prices of drugs would go way down and any local company could start making it, so arguing that terrorists would still get money from drugs is wrong (me thinks). QUOTE We are trying to evolve as a society and make a new and better tomorrow for everyone. Legalizing dangerous drugs such as those would just bring us back even further. We can't make any progress if we're all stoned... Alcohol is legal and we arn't all drunk. Drugs may seem like they'd be a thing everyone would get into, but a year after its legalization people would see that there's really no point. The people that are druggies today will still be druggies after it's legalization, but they wont have to fight over the stuff or pay insane prices leading to murders and such. QUOTE so what in the world makes you think i'll try drugs? Exactly, if people don't do drugs now they most likely won't do it during the perverbeal legalization. Remeber alcohol and prohibition? People that still liked to drink drank. If we had a serious drug problem in the US (i.e. every little kid was itching to get there fix) i'd say no to drug legalization. But the point is just because it's easier to get doesn't mean that people who don't already like it will instantly be all over the stuff. The druggies will still be druggies, just no more support for crime lords and such. Is that too much of a stretch or does it kinda make sense? |
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NOOOO!!! they are gonna kill more ppl than ever! i want cigs to be ILLEGAL... does that count as a drug?
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QUOTE they are gonna kill more ppl than ever! Do you even bother reading other people's posts or you just pop in whenever you feel like it? |
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QUOTE If we had a serious drug problem in the US If? We do. I swear everyone smokes weed in Georgia except for my friends..not really, but it is a HUGE problem. That is why they keep trying to passall these laws and that is why the police are on almost every campus arrestting people for drug usage. The thing is in other countries, the kids have more self-control. They grew up with that stuff infront of them so they have no reason to go all crazy and use it all the time. |
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QUOTE The thing is in other countries, the kids have more self-control. They grew up with that stuff infront of them so they have no reason to go all crazy and use it all the time. Which was exactly my argument. Legalize it and it won't be such a big deal. Your pot smoking state kids prolly only do it cause they arn't supposed to. |
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![]() The Return of Sathington Willoughby. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 313 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,724 ![]() |
Drugs should be legal. why? well, first of all, the taboo of it would be lessened,so it would be a lot less cool. second of all, it would be cheaper, so junkies won't go on crime sprees as often. third, drug patrols could be lessened, saving tax dollars.
yes, there probably would be an outbreak of drug use for the first few months, but once that dies down, the government can set up drug parlors and impose strict rules on them. Education is also a must. |
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there's already a topic on this, go debate over it there...
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QUOTE First, let me site an example. Amsterdam. I believe they have marijuana legalized there, and they arn't in a constant state of chaos or anything rivaling that. Canada is on it's way there if it plays it's cards right. Europe has a higher crime rate than we do. QUOTE I never saw tobacco as a problem. Usually people that smoke it started in their youth. They started in their youth because it was the bad "cool" thing to do. They still do it because of the age restriction. I honestly can't see why people would do tobacco for any other reason, a cool long drag on a cig = sh!t taste. I see tobacco as a problem because many Americans are dying today because they started back then when they didn't know any better. We don't know everything about these drugs now...With marijuana, yeah, you can't overdose, but what are some long-term affects? People don't just do it because of age restriction - they do it to "escape their problems". Haha. Anywho, even if we did legalize these drugs, young people would use them just as well because of age restrictions. QUOTE If someone's stupidly curious enough to try a hallucigin(sp?), they'll get there hands on it one way or another. If it's legalized, it'll be like serving it to them on a golden platter. QUOTE I have a new argument, perhaps the legalization of drugs would put a stop to the drug wars running rampant through out the world. Less cartel killings, less gangs, less dirty money, less terrorists. The prices of drugs would go way down and any local company could start making it, so arguing that terrorists would still get money from drugs is wrong (me thinks). How would it stop the drug wars? If we legalize it and make it cheaper, all of those that were illegally smuggling them, selling it pretty high for all those druggies out there, they'd be outraged! QUOTE Alcohol is legal and we arn't all drunk. Drugs may seem like they'd be a thing everyone would get into, but a year after its legalization people would see that there's really no point. The people that are druggies today will still be druggies after it's legalization, but they wont have to fight over the stuff or pay insane prices leading to murders and such. Yes, but cases such as D.U.I. occur all the time. With more drugs out there, more accidents. So are you saying let's help the druggies? They're probably already poor enough that they wouldn't be able to pay for the legalized drugs. Besides, more drugs exposed to the public, more crime. QUOTE If we had a serious drug problem in the US (i.e. every little kid was itching to get there fix) i'd say no to drug legalization. But the point is just because it's easier to get doesn't mean that people who don't already like it will instantly be all over the stuff. The druggies will still be druggies, just no more support for crime lords and such. Is that too much of a stretch or does it kinda make sense? What about those that are not doing drugs right now, but have doubts? What if they're too scared to be curious? Once they're legalized, they'll think, "Well...they're legal now...it should be okay..." |
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QUOTE(Luster Soldier @ May 14 2004, 7:01 PM) Of course not. Why would I want them to become legal? Those life-ruiners. It's their life to ruin is it not? And do you honestly think pot would hurt more than 10 years in jail? |
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QUOTE It's their life to ruin is it not? Yes, but we can prevent future druggies from it if they're not legalized and made mainstream. |
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QUOTE("Kathleen") Europe has a higher crime rate than we do. No they really don't. QUOTE("Kathleen") I see tobacco as a problem because many Americans are dying today because they started back then when they didn't know any better. It's good for the gene pool, Kath. THe way I see it if you're dumb enough to use drugs, it's your own damn fault for dying. I'm not going to stop you from killing yourself. I'm certainly not going to force others to pay $80 billion in taxes to stop you from killing yourself. It's called 'Liberty'. QUOTE("Kathleen") We don't know everything about these drugs now...With marijuana, yeah, you can't overdose, but what are some long-term affects? The War on Drugs has some nasty long-term effects too. Violating our civil rights, using up $80 billion a year, breaking the law, causing bigger government, more crime from black market mafia, etc. I'm hurt much more by the War on Drugs then drugs themselves. QUOTE("Kathleen") People don't just do it because of age restriction - they do it to "escape their problems". Haha. Anywho, even if we did legalize these drugs, young people would use them just as well because of age restrictions. World domination is my anti-drug. No, seriously, why should we force people to keep it real? It's just a suggestion you know? If they want to zone out, that's their business. QUOTE("Kathleen") If it's legalized, it'll be like serving it to them on a golden platter. No, they'll still have to pay for the drugs. And the golden platter besides. QUOTE("Kathleen") How would it stop the drug wars? If we legalize it and make it cheaper, all of those that were illegally smuggling them, selling it pretty high for all those druggies out there, they'd be outraged! Okay that was relatively incoherent, so here we go: There won't be any smugglers after we legalize, because they wouldn't have to smuggle. QUOTE("Kathleen") Yes, but cases such as D.U.I. occur all the time. With more drugs out there, more accidents. It's true: Fascism has fewer auto-accidents. QUOTE("Kathleen") So are you saying let's help the druggies? They're probably already poor enough that they wouldn't be able to pay for the legalized drugs. I thought the whole point was to make fewer people use drugs. QUOTE("Kathleen") Besides, more drugs exposed to the public, more crime. No, the war on drugs is the biggest cause of crime. Without the war on drugs, there is no black market. There is no REASON to commit crime. No one commits crimes over cigarettes, but there's alot of marijuana-related crime. I wonder why that could be. Besides, if you define a 'crime' as something that breaks the law--a reasonable definition IMHO--the Federal Government (the one orchestrating the War on Drugs) is by far the biggest criminal. And since it's a war, here should be the new motto: HANG THE DRUG CZAR FOR WAR CRIMES!! QUOTE("Kathleen") What about those that are not doing drugs right now, but have doubts? What if they're too scared to be curious? Once they're legalized, they'll think, "Well...they're legal now...it should be okay..." Or they'll think "Wow... they're illegal... must be something to them... I wonder what it is..." |
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QUOTE How would it stop the drug wars? If we legalize it and make it cheaper, all of those that were illegally smuggling them, selling it pretty high for all those druggies out there, they'd be outraged! They'd be obselete. Drugs legalized = no more smugglers = no more fighting over drugs. QUOTE I see tobacco as a problem because many Americans are dying today because they started back then when they didn't know any better. We don't know everything about these drugs now...With marijuana, yeah, you can't overdose, but what are some long-term affects? People don't just do it because of age restriction - they do it to "escape their problems". Haha. Anywho, even if we did legalize these drugs, young people would use them just as well because of age restrictions. Maybe if parents took there proper role and actually taught there kids a thing or two about the real world...we wouldnt have to worry about people going crazy for drugs. QUOTE If it's legalized, it'll be like serving it to them on a golden platter. People stupid enough to try it will destroy there own lives...natural selection at its best. |
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In an economical sense, legalizing drugs is very favorable. The amount of tax charged on it would be incredible. Think about it. It's a good that has a somewhat high demand. Legalizing would supply this demand. People buying this would increase the Gross National Product, bolstering the economy. Taxing this good the same way we tax cigarettes will also be an extremely efficient way of collecting revenue, possibly lowering taxes for the citizens.
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Hmm...I have thought about this...and I've decided I could care less whether drugs were legalized or not. Hey - if you want to ruin your life, that's fine by me...just leave me out of it. Also, you're right, Michelle - we'd get money for it. The tobacco industry makes millions each year...it would boost our economy. Besides, it might just make the amount of users decrease, as someone pointed out about European countries. Bah. I love changing my mind.
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QUOTE Taxing this good the same way we tax cigarettes will also be an extremely efficient way of collecting revenue, possibly lowering taxes for the citizens. lower taxes for what citizens? if everyone is allowed to buy 'em, there wont BE any. yeah, i know im exaggerating, but legalizing one harmful thing will lead to another, then another, then another... |
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QUOTE(annchovie @ May 17 2004, 8:51 PM) lower taxes for what citizens? if everyone is allowed to buy 'em, there wont BE any. yeah, i know im exaggerating, but legalizing one harmful thing will lead to another, then another, then another... Your assumption is if something is legal, everyone will do it. It's legal to visit my website, but not that many people do it. You should. And link to it too. I need a higher google rating :). |
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![]() Retired Posting Whore ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 699 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 2,911 ![]() |
I think they should legalize MJ and MDMA.
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Legalizing cocaine, crack, or heroin or any other hardcore drugs... would be a bad idea...
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it shouldnt be legal-ed!! cus everyone can get killed by them!! i honestly dont want to see my loved ones dies!! NO!! whoever says it's legal...man ima start this war hahaha. well someone will too haha
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I think drugs should be legalized. Why not? I mean look at all the other garbage we have out there that is legal. You got your booze, your smokes, your guns, your bombs, etc. All of which can kill you. Why not just legalize drugs and be done with it. I mean, people are going to do them whether they are legal or not. It's called smuggling. It happens.
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QUOTE(Luster Soldier @ May 14 2004, 6:01 PM) Of course not. Why would I want them to become legal? Those life-ruiners. exactly. people who fdo drugs just ruin thier lives. |
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QUOTE exactly. people who fdo drugs just ruin thier lives. So let them ruin their lives. It doesn't matter. As long as they don't affect me. [Kathleen] |
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Something worth a lookin' over.....if you haven't before.
Grow More Pot by Jello Biafra From I Blow Minds for a Living Does anybody out there know that for the first time in American history the U.S. Army was used in a war operation against the American people? Right near here, up in Humboldt County about 200 miles north of San Francisco right near a town called Shelter Cove, get this: three- to four-hundred American G.I.s dressed with automatic rifles and fully armed for battle, fanned out on maneuvers through the woods, backed up by a dozen Blackhawk attack helicopters. The mountain people up there were frightened out of their wits! They thought there was a war going on, especially the ones that had soldiers kicking in the doors to their cabins and putting guns to their heads in front of their children. Why!? Who was the enemy in this war? Not the communists! Not Saddam Hussein! Not Earth First! or even the spotted owl. No! The enemy they called out the army to put down, secretly, so few people outside of Humboldt would get alarmed as possible, it wasn't even a person or an army or a terrorist group! It was a plant, the marijuana plant. And they actually did manage to find a few for the G.I.s to pull up, and then they had to fly in more from the government stash so the pile would look big enough when they lit the bonfire for the network TV news cameras, so that they could say "Yes! Another triumph in the Drug War!" Drug War. War. The American army sent to war against the American people. And we're supposed to feel relieved and secure and protected. Protected from what?! A lot of people with more guts than I'll ever have risked their life and limb all last summer at the Earth First! Redwood Summer Action up in Humboldt County. They were chaining themselves to redwoods that were three times wider than they were, 800 years old, they were spread-eagled, as the saws buzzed right over their heads. They stood in the dirt as the bulldozers charged them and stopped right at their toes. Or people waved clubs at them, charged them with logging trucks, shotguns, you name it. All to try to save some of the last unspoiled virgin forest we have left anywhere in this country from being chopped down and turned into toilet paper, TV Guides and the Weekly World News. On the other side the loggers saying "What about our jobs!? What about our families!? What about our lives?! You needed wood and cardboard to make those protest signs!" We need fuel! We need paper! It's almost gone! Where are we gonna get more? The answer, for centuries, has been right under our nose: grow more pot! If we're serious about saving the earth, saving the ozone and our freedom to go about saving the earth and the ozone, we should start by paying all those dirt-poor coca farmers in South America and out-of-work loggers in Fortuna and Eureka, and Midwest family farmers and rust-belt families too, to all get together and grow more pot! Why? Get ready for this...! There's a book out called The Emperor Wears No Clothes. The author's name is Jack Herer. It's published by Queen of Clubs, and I think there's ads for it in High Times, or NORML, the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, could direct you to a copy I'm sure, and in this book, among other places, it is written that before the 20th century, the marijuana plant provided almost all the world's paper, all the world's clothing and textiles, and almost all the world's rope. According to none other than the U.S. Department of Agriculture you can make four times as much paper from one acre of hemp plants as you can from an acre of trees. And instead of chopping down all the redwoods in Humboldt County and turning Northern California, Oregon and Washington and Appalachia into the Sahara Desert, if you do it with hemp plants, you can just grow another crop a few months later and make more paper! At one-quarter the cost of making paper from wood pulp and only one-fifth the pollution. The ancient Romans knew this and grew it, Henry VIII made each farmer in old England grow their share, because they knew if you want the strongest natural fiber there is, you all have gotta do your part for the King and grow more pot! And we did, too! Guess what Levi jeans were originally made out of? And guess what American flags used to be made out of? And guess what the early drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution were written on? And if that's too un-Christian for you, guess what they made Guttenberg and King James Bibles out of? Guess what you can use to power a car? You can get at least four times as much cellulose to make gasohol or methanol from hemp stems as you can from a corn stalk. Which along with solar energy would be a great way to avoid dying for oil in Saudi Arabia. In the 1920s and 1930s most American cars and farm machinery had the option of running on gas or on methanol; most racing cars still do run on methanol. And George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew cannabis on their plantations and smoked it, too! In the 1760s in the American colonies you could even be jailed for not growing pot! Because that was part of the key to becoming economically independent from Britain. Hemp was legal tender in the Americas, a substitute for money, from 1630 clear up to the early 1800s. And hemp seeds are a great source of protein, better than soybeans, and it's cheaper than soybeans, too. Or so says the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Marijuana is legal for medical use in 34 states used to treat glaucoma and pain caused by cancer, and you can digest more protein from a hemp seed than a soybean seed. It's even shown some signs at being able to combat herpes. And, guess what kind of a parachute Mr. Drug War Junta-Man himself George Bush used when he bailed out of that bomber in World War II? Hemp was illegal by then, but farmers were briefly ordered to grow it again in this country for the war effort and all, and the U.S. Army had their own stash all along in the colonies in the Philippines. So, how did everything get turned around so darn bad? Doesn't it strike you as a little dumb that we burn oil and choke ourselves and chop down all our trees and ruin innocent people's lives by branding them criminals and throwing them in jails, or sending them off to drug camps, or taking all their property and selling it before they're brought to trial? In the process, making crack and heroin cheaper and easier to get than pot? Why do we do this when we don't have to? Meanwhile the Police Chief of L.A., Darryl Gates gets front page approval for telling a U.S. Senate committee that pot smokers should be shot on sight. Because smoking pot is treason because, after all, it's illegal. Why was marijuana cracked down on? And why was it done so violently? Well ... Ready?! In 1936 Popular Mechanics magazine hailed the invention of a new machine to process hemp, predicting that marijuana/hemp would once again become the world's largest cash crop. This did not at all sit well with people like Hearst Paper Manufacturing or Kimberly-Clark or other cutthroat multinationals who happen to have large timber holdings. It didn't sit to well with tobacco barons for obvious reasons, and it sure as heck didn't sit too well with old buddies DuPont. Hemp processing uses only one-fifth the chemicals need to process wood pulp, and DuPont had just patented a new wood pulp sulfide process, and DuPont's patented plastic fibers had just passed up hemp as the No. 2 fiber, next to cotton, and they wanted to keep it that way! And the last thing the big drug companies wanted was to lose their share of the ever lucrative disease industry market, to more affordable medicine made from marijuana or other natural ingredients because, check this out, you can't own and make money off a patent for medicine in this country, unless the medicine has chemicals in it. If it's all natural ingredients, you can't patent it. Maybe that's why we don't have access to a cure for cancer or AIDS, or why the health food store I go to keeps getting harassed by federal authorities for selling herbal medicines. Meanwhile, guess who owns Congress? So marijuana was outlawed in 1937 and they fanned the racism fires playing the racism card just like they do when they want to crack down on rock-and-roll or rap or hip hop or something like that. They said that smoking marijuana might cause you to fall under the influence of listening to jazz! I believe that it was even said on the floor of Congress that marijuana had to be banned because smoking it might make a black man look at a white woman twice. And let's not forget that U.S. Treasury Department funded documentary film, called, "Reefer Madness!" So marijuana was outlawed as devil weed in 1937. Only 53 years ago it was legal. Need I say more, on why our beloved fearless leaders go out of their way to censor our access to information so darn much? Can you imagine the mass outrage if this kind of stuff ever really got out? And people knew that this big drug problem that they keep reading about and hearing about is being caused by the government themselves? And people knew how easily each one of us individually could turn our ecological and human crisis around without resorting to Nazi malarky like oil wars and drug wars by just saying "no!" to George Bush. And if people knew that the very companies that provide us with such crucial conveniences as Kleenex, paper towels and junk mail, have systematically and brutally rearranged every single one of our lives so that we are literally wiping our behind with out own future? And it doesn't have to be this way! I mean, I'll tell you, I do feel kind of funny saying all this because I used to be a pothead and I hate smoking the stuff, and the whole low-energy stoner Deadhead vibe that comes with it. But, you don't need to smoke pot to realize that the real drug problem in this country is not the drugs. And we can help solve drug problems, crime problems, environmental problems - even our racial problems if we say no to George Bush and get together and grow more pot! My thoughts: If drugs (yes all drugs) were legalized: -We would see a huge decrease in crime. -The mob cannot price them. -People wouldn't have to fear ingesting something other than what they asked for... -The government could regulate them saftely -Huge economy stimulation bonus -We could stop wasting our money on the "Drug War" that dosen't exist. -We could learn more openly about SAFE ways to ingest drugs. -Respect the 14th ammendment. -expel many myths and urban legends. -etc etc. Most of my arguments have been brought up before. If people are going to go and f**k up their lives, then they'll do it. Legal or not. Just like Tobacco companys have to fund programs that help people get over cigerette addiction, I'm sure the same thing would happen with drug addiction. Look at what's legal today: Cigerettes, Alcohol, guns, etc. I'm not a junkie by any means. I can't say that I've never ingested an illegal substance before, but I'm not one to blow off friends and smoke some weed. The reason why drugs aren't going to be legal: People bitch. More would bitch about it being legal than all the stoners bitching about legalizing it. I do think it COULD be a good thing though. Of course, it will never ever happen. Alot of the drug laws have to do with hate. In the southwest, Mexican immigrants worked to achieve the american dream. They brought their culture with them, and pot came with it. The racist pigs that hated the Mexicans just happened to be politicians, so they decided that they would be terribly hurt for them to take away their weed. They came up with a law that made it illegal for people to carry pot unless they had a special liscense for it. And there was a catch: You had to have the pot you wanted a liscense for with you to get the liscense, so you had to break the law to abide with it. Like Nadar getting elected, it will never happen, but it might be a good thing... |
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Legalized.
What right does the government have to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodys, the information is out there, we are aware its harmful, alcohol is harmful plus has anybody heard about the governement testing LSD on people in the 60s?? yes yes im a bit of a radical. Only some drugs though, basically Marijuana and Opium, they were put on this planet for a reason. |
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I'm not sure if this is true, but I have it from ppl who've tried it that its alot like alchohol, one little drink won't make u addicted, just like 1 little puff wont make u addicted, or high. I dunno.
I think that making it legal to everyone could cause problems, maybe make rules like they have for drinking. |
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QUOTE(gotblog4me? @ Jun 13 2005, 12:33 PM) I'm not sure if this is true, but I have it from ppl who've tried it that its alot like alchohol, one little drink won't make u addicted, just like 1 little puff wont make u addicted, or high. I dunno. That's true for marijuana. Some other drugs are powerful enough that just a bit of them will make you dependent. Personally, I'd support the legalization of some drugs. Marijuana is not that dangerous--even less so than nicotine or alcohol, in many ways. At the very least, we should reduce sentencing for drug offenders. Some guy gets arrested a nickel bag of pot and gets a year in jail? Ridiculous. Our prisons are filling up with small-time offenders who are clearly only using marijuana for personal use. |
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LEGALIZED;
Holland legalized marijuana.. right? Their satistics of teens doing marijuana is lower than the statistics in North America, which is wack - o, but true. I guess, mostly teens do majiuana because it looks cool, and its so illegal that people strive it so much. But, in the example of Holland; people dont see it like that anymore because it is legal. |
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^Wtf, this kid needs to be shot.
QUOTE(LiNHy POO @ May 15 2004, 11:01 AM) NOOOO!!! they are gonna kill more ppl than ever! i want cigs to be ILLEGAL... does that count as a drug? Um, if cigarettes were suddenly illegal, all companies producing cigarettes would be shut down leaving a LOT of people jobless. People on cigarettes would nearly die from lack of nicotine and have to be hospitalized. Hospitals would be too full to handle any other patients, who would be poorly treated and die or be severely injured. Those patients that never made a recovery (because there wasn't enough space) could've been valuable workers at companies which are now slowly dwindling. Taxes may have to be raised because insurance is spending so much money on helping former smokers. SO THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES, YOU HEALTH-OBSESSED MORONS. I think it should be legalized. If people are unwise enough to even smoke marijuana (or whatever you do with that stuff) and those other illegal drugs, that's their fault and they're going to pay. If the now illegal drugs were legal, there would be less people getting arrested, going through court, etc because they were using them. I don't understand why people can't do what they want with a plant that will kill them just because they're stupid. Why does the government have control over that? |
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QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Jul 12 2005, 12:55 PM) People on cigarettes would nearly die from lack of nicotine and have to be hospitalized. Hospitals would be too full to handle any other patients, who would be poorly treated and die or be severely injured. Those patients that never made a recovery (because there wasn't enough space) could've been valuable workers at companies which are now slowly dwindling. Taxes may have to be raised because insurance is spending so much money on helping former smokers. SO THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES, YOU HEALTH-OBSESSED MORONS. You don't "die" from nicotine withdrawl--you don't even need hospitalization. Sure, you feel edgier, or you might not feel extremely well, but it's not like a heroin addiction, where you actually suffer some very bad health effects while going through withdrawl. |
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 12 2005, 12:47 PM) You don't "die" from nicotine withdrawl--you don't even need hospitalization. Sure, you feel edgier, or you might not feel extremely well, but it's not like a heroin addiction, where you actually suffer some very bad health effects while going through withdrawl. Well, it's not like I know from experience. Well then, the world would be so much edgier and uncomfortable. I think you get my point. |
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sometimes ppl take drugs bcuz they're illegal. like how ppl break rules. if drugs arent illegal ppl wont be so curious and try it. so they should legalize drugs
and wen they're legaized, the govnerment can put high tax to them, then govnerment can even earn money |
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