Nintendo Rumors, Apple Options

[EddieV]

I have recently found out that if the Nintendo Revolution fails, Apple is planning to buy Nintendo and create their own console, with Apple Graphics Technology.

[*mipadi*]

Found out from where?

[AngryBaby]

i...dont...really....know what to think of this. =/

[EddieV]

Found out from where?

I work at the Electronics Department in Target, and one of my team members has a friend who works with Apple.

[*mipadi*]

Intriguing, but I find it hard to believe. The gaming market is already crowded; what would Apple have to gain by branching into it. Furthermore, they tried to enter the console market once before. Ever hear of the Apple Pippin? No? That's because it was a dismal failure.

[EddieV]

Well in this case they're going to have their own technology, plus Nintendo's technology. I don't know what's really going to happen, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

I work at the Electronics Department in Target, and one of my team members has a friend who works with Apple.

Off topic but...

So, you're working with those iPods I presume?

cough mp3 thread cough.

[EddieV]

Yes I work with iPods, although I presuade people to get iRivers since that's the only ones we have that's better than the iPod.

[sadolakced acid]

well, nintendo and apple do seem a bit similar at this point.

so as to why i hate apple and love nintendo...

mayhaps it's because nintendo seems more focused on satisfying a group of consumers, and assumes the money will flow from there. and apple's focused of making the money flow.

[*mipadi*]

mayhaps it's because nintendo seems more focused on satisfying a group of consumers, and assumes the money will flow from there.  and apple's focused of making the money flow.

I think both of their primary focuses are on making the money flow. That's what a corporation is all about, after all.

[EddieV]

Well you have to focus on your consumers in order to make your money flow.

[*mipadi*]

Right, which means every company is focused on satisfying its consumers, with the goal of making money.

[ThunderEvermore]

You have a friend who works at Apple.

Doing what? Sorting mail?

Unless theyre up there with the big wigs theyre not gonna know jack, and I wouldnt listen to everything people tell you.

Incase we all didnt know, Nintendo is the most profitible gaming company out of the big 3, and even if the Revo fails, the Gameboy/DS will grab all the cash. The GBA has sold more than the PS2 in the US, its not as if Nintendo is gonna bail.

[sadolakced acid]

but apple doesn't care about satisfying a certain consumer group. they want to satisfy as many consumers as they can, but could care less what group they are.

[ThunderEvermore]

Right, which means every company is focused on satisfying its consumers, with the goal of making money.

And yet is so untrue.

Many companies cut back on productions costs by cutting corners and defecting products, thusly not really aiming to satisfy consumers but to just plain make money. They want to put that product in your shopping bag whether or not you want it, and whether or not its the best product for you.

[*mipadi*]

but apple doesn't care about satisfying a certain consumer group.  they want to satisfy as many consumers as they can, but could care less what group they are.

Then why does Apple not market its products to a greater segment of the consumer population?

[Just_Dream]

Incase we all didnt know, Nintendo is the most profitible gaming company out of the big 3, and even if the Revo fails, the Gameboy/DS will grab all the cash. The GBA has sold more than the PS2 in the US, its not as if Nintendo is gonna bail.

If I were you, I wouldn't compare GBA to PS2. Especially, since GBA is like now, what, HALF the price of a PS2? Way more affordable. I bet half of the people who bought GBA thought "wow this handheld is awesome since it's only $100 and now it's only $79.99!" I mean, PS2 is an actual system, versus Game Boy Advance, which is a handheld. Perhaps you should compare GC and PS2?

Although I may sound biased, GBDS only seems to rake in more attention due to the various games it supports. The PSP sold A LOT, but there aren't that many games for it. Even my bf, who loves his PSP, doesn't even play it that much anymore since he's bored of the games. There just aren't that many good games for it. Rather, GBDS is going strong in releasing popular titles or games that were popular in the past. OMG ZOOKEEPER ON DS. But I loathe the GameBoy DS system in general.. yay PSP. I'll just try to find a way to get zookeeper on psp lol


As for apple, I think it's doing wonderful business with computers in general, since the my school supports macintosh (not the people, but the school in general). Also, it's doing well in iPods and other things, so hey you never know.

[ThunderEvermore]

If I were you, I wouldn't compare GBA to PS2. Especially, since GBA is like now, what, HALF the price of a PS2? Way more affordable. I bet half of the people who bought GBA thought "wow this handheld is awesome since it's only $100 and now it's only $79.99!" I mean, PS2 is an actual system, versus Game Boy Advance, which is a handheld. Perhaps you should compare GC and PS2?

Although I may sound biased, GBDS only seems to rake in more attention due to the various games it supports. The PSP sold A LOT, but there aren't that many games for it. Even my bf, who loves his PSP, doesn't even play it that much anymore since he's bored of the games. There just aren't that many good games for it. Rather, GBDS is going strong in releasing popular titles or games that were popular in the past. OMG ZOOKEEPER ON DS. But I loathe the GameBoy DS system in general.. yay PSP. I'll just try to find a way to get zookeeper on psp lol
As for apple, I think it's doing wonderful business with computers in general, since the my school supports macintosh (not the people, but the school in general). Also, it's doing well in iPods and other things, so hey you never know.

My point wasnt to compare the systems, my point was showing that despite the themed death of Nintendo via the Revo, the Big N has a big foothold in the industry with the handheld systems, and if the Revo fails, theyll have something to fall back on.

And the DS is not a Gameboy, just to make that clear.

And whether or not the DS has good games is a matter of opinion, therere plenty of games Id like to get right now. But yeah.

[sadolakced acid]

Then why does Apple not market its products to a greater segment of the consumer population?

you mean, put ads in public and on popular TV channels instead of tech magazines?

[EddieV]

You have a friend who works at Apple.

Doing what? Sorting mail?

Unless theyre up there with the big wigs theyre not gonna know jack, and I wouldnt listen to everything people tell you.

Incase we all didnt know, Nintendo is the most profitible gaming company out of the big 3, and even if the Revo fails, the Gameboy/DS will grab all the cash. The GBA has sold more than the PS2 in the US, its not as if Nintendo is gonna bail.

It doesn't matter what they actually do in the company, rumors from the big guys usual end up to the smaller people eventually.

I do agree though, Nintendo's handheld systems are doing way better than the consoles.

[ThunderEvermore]

It doesn't matter what they actually do in the company, rumors from the big guys usual end up to the smaller people eventually.

I do agree though, Nintendo's handheld systems are doing way better than the consoles.

Have you ever played Whisper Down the Lane?

Yeah.

PS: If it did leak like this, the internet news would probably have picked it up before you did.

[*mipadi*]

you mean, put ads in public and on popular TV channels instead of tech magazines?

Oh, sure, maybe the iPod is marketed to a large segment, although that's debateable.

Still, I don't see your reasoning on why one company is bad because it targets a wide swath of consumers, and another is good because it targets a slightly smaller swath--although I would argue that Nintendo's target group--the average gamer and the family--is hardly a small segment of the consumer population. But even assuming it is, I don't see why one tactic is good and one tactic is bad. In the end, both companies in this example are vying for one thing: making money. That consists of pleasing the consumer to an extent, or at least giving them the illusioned of being pleased. I don't see one as benevolent and one as malevolent. I see them both as trying to make a few bucks.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

Where is kyro.
And I do have to agree with thunder.
THe big N ain't gonna go down. Even if the revolution fails them, GBA/DS sails are trhough the roof right now. They sell more units then some consoles, and are dominating the handheld market. Plus besides the facts that nintendo owns the rights to certain licences. Such as characters and franchines. Were talking Pokemon, Mario and Donkey kong and such. Do you know how much money, Pokemon cards, toys, videos/dvds, apparel, accessories get sold and made?

Lets face it, the big N is here to stay. Even if the Rev does fail, which it may or not, it will still be on it's own 2 feet.

[vash1530]

people forget how much of a strong foothold nintendo has in Japan. As long as it's handhelds are racking up the dough and it's consoles stay competitive, nintendo is staying on the map.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

people forget how much of a strong foothold nintendo has in Japan. As long as it's handhelds are racking up the dough and it's consoles stay competitive, nintendo is staying on the map.

They don't even need the consoles to stay competitive.

[sadolakced acid]

Oh, sure, maybe the iPod is marketed to a large segment, although that's debateable.

Still, I don't see your reasoning on why one company is bad because it targets a wide swath of consumers, and another is good because it targets a slightly smaller swath--although I would argue that Nintendo's target group--the average gamer and the family--is hardly a small segment of the consumer population. But even assuming it is, I don't see why one tactic is good and one tactic is bad. In the end, both companies in this example are vying for one thing: making money. That consists of pleasing the consumer to an extent, or at least giving them the illusioned of being pleased. I don't see one as benevolent and one as malevolent. I see them both as trying to make a few bucks.

1- apple has monopolized the NAND flash memory market. very big corporation screwing over the consumer, if apple raised the price of it's players.

2- apple's customer service is focused on saving money, not fixing problems.

3. appple's proprietary nature. i don't like sony either.

(there is, of course, no problems of compatablility with consoles, which is much like apple's approach to PCs.)

[*mipadi*]

1-  apple has monopolized the NAND flash memory market.  very big corporation screwing over the consumer, if apple raised the price of it's players. 

2- apple's customer service is focused on saving money, not fixing problems. 

3. appple's proprietary nature.  i don't like sony either.

(there is, of course, no problems of compatablility with consoles, which is much like apple's approach to PCs.)

Proprietary nature? You don't like Apple's, yet you like Nintendo, who used a proprietary disc format in the GameCube? And you don't like Sony, who uses open standards and technologies in the PS3? That doesn't make any sense.

[sadolakced acid]

yea... except there are no standards for game consoles...

[*mipadi*]

yea...  except there are no standards for game consoles...

Yes, there are. The PS3 uses Linux, as well as OpenGL, COLLADA, OpenMAX, and OpenVG, all of which are open standards. Furthermore, Apple uses open standards: OpenGL is one major one, and the entire core of OS X is an open source project. Apple also uses industry standard hardware. Nintendo is not known for using open standards. Thus, I don't see how you justify a dislike of Apple and Sony, but an affinity for Nintendo, based on the companies' use of open standards and/or open technologies.

[*kryogenix*]

Proprietary nature? You don't like Apple's, yet you like Nintendo, who used a proprietary disc format in the GameCube? And you don't like Sony, who uses open standards and technologies in the PS3? That doesn't make any sense.

I think it's because Nintendo doesn't try to push their format in order to make it the standard. Nintendo does it so people won't pirate their games. Sony on the other hand, has tried to do in the past with BETAMAX, MD and ATRAC3. Now they're doing it with UMD and BD-ROM, using their game hardware as a trojan horse.

[sadolakced acid]

yea. it's more of nintendo's reasons, or perceived reasons.

they do do much of the smae things, however, i don't see it as an attempt to gain more money.

nintendo's proprietary nature isn't exploited for money, as with sony or apple.

[EddieV]

^ From what I have seen with Nintendo, I agree with you, their aim is more to entertain their customers, most of their games aren't really aimed towards high graphics money typish games, but rather fun games that everyone can enjoy.

[*mipadi*]

yea.  it's more of nintendo's reasons, or perceived reasons.

they do do much of the smae things, however, i don't see it as an attempt to gain more money.

nintendo's proprietary nature isn't exploited for money, as with sony or apple.

Oh, undoubtedly, a company leverages proprietary technologies in order to make a buck. Apple certain does it so they can keep the premiums on hardware high. Sony does it to leverage their own technologies. But you really think Nintendo does it because they have the consumers' best interests at heart? No, I don't think so. There's one reason why Nintendo used proprietary disc technology in the GameCube, and that was to prevent piracy--which protected their bottom line, not the interests of the consumer. It would be best for the consumer to use open standards--in fact, a major reason some developers were reluctant to release games for the GameCube was because the discs were proprietary and therefore more expensive to make.

I can see the argument that "it is best for the consumer" in Nintendo's decision to make the N64 cartridge based: it meant that the Nintendo 64 did not require memory cards, and load times were faster. But the GameCube decision? No, that was in an attempt to secure profits for Nintendo.

Point? I think there's more to brand affinity than a simple accusation that one company is trying harder to secure a profit.

[sadolakced acid]

i know there's a reason i don't like apple or sony and i like nintendo. mayhaps it's because the latter lacks the smell of corporatism. i'm not too sure.

EDIT: i think i've got it.

nintendo doesn't appear intrested in anything but gaming.

sony appears to want to promote thier proprietary formats with everything they do. half the purpose of the ps3 is to promote blu-ray. Sony's not just concentrated on gaming- they want to make every electronic you buy.

apple seems to be getting similar aspirations with thier branching into the mp3 player field and itunes. if they buy nintendo, it's further proof of thier expansionism.

[AngryBaby]

^ From what I have seen with Nintendo, I agree with you, their aim is more to entertain their customers, most of their games aren't really aimed towards high graphics money typish games, but rather fun games that everyone can enjoy.

what? i dont find nintendo's games more fun...at all. Sony's games are the main reason why it is number one right now. gamecube also had better graphics than ps2 also. anyone who doesnt think nintendo doesnt care about business is naive. nintendo would be stupid not to.
watch "icons" on G4 about nintendo, they care more about business then you may think. everthing they did revolved around how they can get people to buy their product. just like any company.

[sadolakced acid]

everything nintendo does is to get you to buy nintendo gaming systems.

everything sonydoes is to get you to buy sony gaming systems, sony blu-ray players, sony movies, sony TVs, sony computers, etc.

see the difference?

[AngryBaby]

....no, sony doesnt just make consoles. they make alot of electronics they've been making other electronics before they made playstation, so yeah they will try to get you to buy their product just like mitsubushi or toshiba or samsung. nintendo doesnt make anything else, but games.

[*kryogenix*]

what? i dont find nintendo's games more fun...at all. Sony's games are the main reason why it is number one right now. gamecube also had better graphics than ps2 also. anyone who doesnt think nintendo doesnt care about business is naive. nintendo would be stupid not to.
watch "icons" on G4 about nintendo, they care more about business then you may think. everthing they did revolved around how they can get people to buy their product. just like any company.

Sony makes games? I thought they just paid companies not to make games for other systems...

And who said Nintendo doesn't care about business? How else would they be making huge profits?

And LOL @ watching G4. You might as well watch Spike TV for gaming.

  ....no, sony doesnt just make consoles. they make alot of electronics ermm.gif they've been making other electronics before they made playstation, so yeah they will try to get you to buy their product mellow.gif just like mitsubushi or toshiba or samsung. nintendo doesnt make anything else, but games.

uhhh, did you read what he said? See below:

everything sonydoes is to get you to buy sony gaming systems, sony blu-ray players, sony movies, sony TVs, sony computers, etc.

[AngryBaby]

okay ill admit i read that wrong, i didnt see "gaming"

but i didnt need a sony TV to play ps2, and they arent forcing you to buy one for ps3... if nintendo made TV's and all that other crap they'd do the same thing, its just business.

[sadolakced acid]

"play you Sony PS3 on a sony HG TV for best effect!"

[AngryBaby]

but they arent saying you have to..... i wont. they are just doing what any business does, if nintendo made tv's or HD tv's and laptops and cd players and many other electronics you dont think they'd try to get you to buy it too? of course they would. just like if nintendo wants you to get their DS or gameboy carrying case.

[ThunderEvermore]

but they arent saying you have to..... i wont. they are just doing what any business does, if nintendo made tv's or HD tv's and laptops and cd players and many other electronics you dont think they'd try to get you to buy it too? of course they would. just like if nintendo wants you to get their DS or gameboy carrying case.

Of course every business is a business and youre going to get good and bad points out of that.

But Nintendo is far less aggresive about it than Sony, and shoves it alot less in your face. You dont have to get a Nintendo brand case, but its probably the best one youre going to find. Why? because Nintendo makes quality products, so even if they do want you to buy it, theres a damned good reason.

[EddieV]

^ Well you can say the same thing about Sony, if you're going to get a new controller or a new stand, wouldn't you rather get the official Sony Playstation ones than the Mad Catz ones?

[ThunderEvermore]

^ Well you can say the same thing about Sony, if you're going to get a new controller or a new stand, wouldn't you rather get the official Sony Playstation  ones than the Mad Catz ones?

Didnt Mad Catz go out of business? Or get bought by someone?

Anyway, in terms of a controller, probably, mostly because Im used to the shapes.

But when it comes to TVs, cameras, laptops, etc, I wouldnt.

[EddieV]

^ But wouldn't compliances bought by a company work best with the compliance bought from the same company? Not just controllers, let's say shampoo, wouldn't Herbal Essences Shampoo work best with Herbal Essences Conditioner?

[AngryBaby]

Of course every business is a business and youre going to get good and bad points out of that.

But Nintendo is far less aggresive about it than Sony, and shoves it alot less in your face. You dont have to get a Nintendo brand case, but its probably the best one youre going to find. Why? because Nintendo makes quality products, so even if they do want you to buy it, theres a damned good reason.

eh, sorry but, you kinda missed my point. let me explain, i was just using the carying case as an example, far less of a priority than an HD television would be. nintendo doesnt make any other type of electronics that doesnt pertain to gaming,and usually those things arent really electronics. Sony on the other hand makes many many things, TV's, laptops, VCR's, DVD players, CD players, home theatres,movies, and basically anythng else you'll find under the electronics category. they'e been making these things long before they've been in the gaming industry. and all these things fall into the same category of computer entertainment systems. which is the reason why you might find them trying to sell you their products harder, because they correllate with their fellow electronic device. i guarentee you if samsung suddenly came out with a video game system they'd do the same thing.

microsoft cant do this because their software only pertains to computers.

and nintendo cant do this because they arent an electronics corporation, only in the video game industry. so saying their stuff is better quality is an extremely bad comparison. what, are you comparing.... their carying case? so you cant really say nintendo is far less agressive, when you dont really know what they'd do if they were actually in the electronics industry. but seeing as what every big business has to do to thrive and survive, nintendo would do the same thing.... and they'd be smart to do so.

...and what does it matter as long as they arent forcing you to buy it?

[ThunderEvermore]

eh, sorry but, you kinda missed my point. let me explain, i was just using the carying case as an example, far less of a priority than an HD television would be. nintendo doesnt make any other type of electronics that doesnt pertain to gaming,and usually those things arent really electronics. Sony on the other hand makes many many things, TV's, laptops, VCR's, DVD players, CD players, home theatres,movies, and basically anythng else you'll find under the electronics category. they'e been making these things long before they've been in the gaming industry. and all these things fall into the same category of computer entertainment systems. which is the reason why you might find them trying to sell you their products harder, because they correllate with their fellow electronic device. i guarentee you if samsung suddenly came out with a video game system they'd do the same thing.

microsoft cant do this because their software only pertains to computers.

and nintendo cant do this because they arent an electronics corporation, only in the video game industry. so saying their stuff is better quality is an extremely bad comparison. what, are you comparing.... their carying case? so you cant really say nintendo is far less agressive, when you dont really know what they'd do if they were actually in the electronics industry. but seeing as what every big business has to do to thrive and survive, nintendo would do the same thing.... and they'd be smart to do so.

I can say it because of this.

They dont peddle their crappy products on to their consumers like trying to put white back on rice.

They are less aggressive with what products they DO have, just because they dont have TVs and laptops to sell doesnt mean they dont have products. Shirts, toys, collectibles, videos, movies, trading cards, TV shows, DVDs, etc etc etc.

[AngryBaby]

damn you quoted to early to see this

...and what does it matter as long as they arent forcing you to buy it?

and saying their stuff is crappy is your opinion. you got mad at me about saying the controller will be uncomfortable (though i made my intro saying i THINK this is a stupid idea), yet you can say sony has crappy products. obviously this cant be that true because they arent known for this... playstation and ps2 arent crappy....they are the best reviewed systems.....and named king of the consoles for our current generation.

i dont think any toy company is as agressive as a electronics company btw. and how agressive can they be with a Tv show? "WATCH IT NOW!" and how long has it been since they had a TV show?

nintendo DVD's? never heard of it.

i dont feel like sony is being agressive towards me....
so your feelings and mine arent mutual.

[sadolakced acid]

sony smells of corporatism, that's why.

[AngryBaby]

...lol, now you guys are just being silly. you sounded like a paranoid schitzofrinic

[EddieV]

^ In order to be successful you must think ahead.

[AngryBaby]

that was......random^

i dont even know what to say to that "statement" lol

jeez i keep thinking im in the debate forum, seriously!

[ThunderEvermore]

damn you quoted to early to see this
and saying their stuff is crappy is your opinion. you got mad at me about saying the controller will be uncomfortable (though i made my intro saying i THINK this is a stupid idea), yet you can say sony has crappy products. obviously this cant be that true because they arent known for this... playstation and ps2  arent crappy....they are the best reviewed systems.....and named king of the consoles for our current generation.

i dont think any toy company is as agressive as a electronics company btw. and how agressive can they be with a Tv show? "WATCH IT NOW!" and how long has it been since they had a TV show?

nintendo DVD's? never heard of it.

i dont feel like sony is being agressive towards me....
so your feelings and mine arent mutual.

I meant crappy in terms of the durability and lifespan of their hardware. My PS1 crapped out on me a mere five years after I got it. My NES? Nearly 20 years.

I used to work in receiving at Sears, and the most TV returns we got were Sonys because they didnt work properly.

And no one named them king of consoles. Not as far as Ive read, and I read alot. Unless youre quoting your buddy who supposedly used the Revo controller.

I can call Sony stuff crappy because of knowledge and first hand experience.

You cant call Revo controllers uncomfortable because there IS not knowledge and you have NO first hand experience.

The entire Animated Series of The Legend of Zelda is currently out on DVD.

[AngryBaby]

yeah, and i used to work for best buy and most of the returns come from mitsubushi...

i think this is a stupid idea

1. its going to be awkward and uncomfortable

2. waving the controller in the direction of where you want your guy/car/target to go is not a good idea, first off, you'll look like a retard. second off you wont have as much accurate control, 3rd off you wont feel as into the game.

3. how the hell are you gonna play an fps with one thumb? how can you play any game with one thumb? lol and feel like you have full control.

4. and the light gun thing isnt a good idea either, imagine playing halo with a light gun....no

4.your arm will start to hurt.

this was my first post, i think the main key is that i said "i THINK this is a stupid idea" and i listed reasons in the form of numbers to show as to why i THINK this. plus you guys constantly say "it will be awsome!" and you dont see me bitching about it.

for the current generation of gaming microsoft was second place to sony, from sales and consumer acclaim, thats why you see microsoft saying "we wont be second place to Sony this time" gamecube was 3rd.

i can say i think the Revo controller is crappy because my first hand experience in gaming... if i wanted to use that argument.

calling sony crappy is still nothing more than an opinion...

and in what way is Sony "agressive" with their DVD's? please enlighten me because i dont even notice what movies are sony's movies.

i had my playstation since it came out, and i can still use it... so i dont know what you did to yours...

[ThunderEvermore]

yeah, and i used to work for best buy and most of the returns come from mitsubushi...
this was my first post, i think the main key of is that i said "i THINK this is a stupid idea" and i listed reasons in the form of numbers to show as to why i THINK this. plus you guys constantly say "it will be awsome!" and you dont see me bitching about it.

for the current generation of gaming microsoft was second place to sony, from sales and consumer acclaim, thats why you see microsoft saying "we wont be second place to Sony this time" gamecube was 3rd.

i can say i think the Revo controller is crappy because my first hand experience in gaming... if i wanted to use that argument.

calling sony crappy is still nothing more than an opinion...

and in what way is Sony "agressive" with their DVD's? please enlighten me because i dont even notice what movies are sony's movies.

i had my playstation since it came out, and i can still use it... so i dont know what you did to yours...

We only had one mitsu TV and it was a big screen so we didnt really sell that often.

Prove it. I know I never said "It will be awesome" or anything nearly as difinitive as that, and I dont recall Kryo doing it either. But lets not take that argument into this post.

Actually, Nintendo was second in console sales, and number one in hardware sales, as well as number one in software sales (Since Sony and M$ dont make games) and they made the most profit.

How can you say its your first hand experience when youve never experienced it??

Nearly all DVDs are Sony DVDs, its ridiculous how many movie houses they own and how many DVDs they produce all the time. But I never said they were aggressive with their DVDs. Youre making quotations on something thats not a quote.

I didnt do anything but normal shelf wear and playing it. My PS2 is going a bit wonky too, and Ive only had it for 4 or 5 years.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

Sony's games are the main reason why it is number one right now

Ha, I wish.

[AngryBaby]

Actually, Nintendo was second in console sales, and number one in hardware sales, as well as number one in software sales (Since Sony and M$ dont make games) and they made the most profit.

before i refute if gamecube was even number two...
isnt the main point that that playstation was number one?

I didnt do anything but normal shelf wear and playing it. My PS2 is going a bit wonky too, and Ive only had it for 4 or 5 years.

what the hell are you doing to them!? lol. ....and mines are still working...

Nearly all DVDs are Sony DVDs, its ridiculous how many movie houses they own and how many DVDs they produce all the time.

how is it...ridiculous? its like you hate them for being successful...

But Nintendo is far less aggresive about it than Sony, and shoves it alot less in your face. You dont have to get a Nintendo brand case, but its probably the best one youre going to find. Why? because Nintendo makes quality products, so even if they do want you to buy it, theres a damned good reason.

um this is when you said Sony is more aggressive. you werent specific, so i have to assume you mean with all their electronics... and fine lets have it your way, let me refraise my question, How, in any way is Sony "agressive" with their products? explain to me, please enlighten me, because i dont feel like im being aggressed by sony AT ALL. So already, you know our feelings arent mutual. and its not like they have a gun to your head saying you buy or you die... if advertisements make you give in so easily you need some strong will.

everything nintendo does is to get you to buy nintendo gaming systems.

everything sonydoes is to get you to buy sony gaming systems, sony blu-ray players, sony movies, sony TVs, sony computers, etc.

see the difference?

this is how the argument about Sony began. and you basically agree with him. bringing our arguing to where it is now.

all nintendo has is nintendo Gaming systems... Sony makes Blu ray players...so yeah they're gonna try to get you to buy their Blu ray player, Sony makes TV's, so yeah their gonna try to get you to buy their TV's. their not gonna say "GO BUY TOSHIBA'S TV's!" sony makes comps, so yeah their gonna try to get you to buy their comps... just like the Hiltons would want you to go to their Hotel, just like Direct TV wants you to buy Direct TV, just like Magnolia wants you to buy Magnolia home theatres,or just like Samung wants you to buy their TV's, and laptops, and portable DvD players etc. But the main key is that they dont force you too, if you couldnt play playstation without a Sony TV that'd be pretty bad, then that would be a good argument, but this isnt so.

How can you say its your first hand experience when you've never experienced it??

i said my first hand experience in gaming and i said "if i wanted to use that argument. the point was that i can use that same argument you did. and i've used light guns before, and its not like its unimaginable. in fact its very easy to imagine, just take you're mouse in one hand and a skinny remote in the other, and act as though you using it as you would on the rev.

[ThunderEvermore]

before i refute if gamecube was even number two...
isnt the main point that that playstation was number one?

My point is that Nintendo was number one out of the three companies.

how is it...ridiculous? its like you hate them for being successful...

When I said it was ridiculous I was trying to point out the massive amount of movies they produce, not that it was horrible. They put out some of my favorite movies.

um this is when you said Sony is more aggressive. you werent specific, so i have to assume you mean with all their electronics... and fine lets have it your way, let me refraise my question, How, in any way is Sony "agressive" with their products? explain to me, please enlighten me, because i dont feel like im being aggressed by sony AT ALL. So already, you know our feelings arent mutual. and its not like they have a gun to your head saying you buy or you die... if advertisements make you give in so easily you need some strong will.

How about graffiti PSP advertising in various cities across the country? Id consider that aggressive.

all nintendo has is nintendo Gaming systems...

Wrong. I already pointed out they sell a hell of a lot more than just Gaming systems. Havent you EVER heard of pokemon? Know who owns that? Nintendo.

Sony makes Blu ray players...so yeah they're gonna try to get you to buy their Blu ray player, Sony makes TV's, so yeah their gonna try to get you to buy their TV's. their not gonna say "GO BUY TOSHIBA'S TV's!"  sony makes comps, so yeah their gonna try to get you to buy their comps... just like the Hiltons would want you to go to their Hotel, just like Direct TV wants you to buy Direct TV, just like Magnolia wants you to buy Magnolia home theatres,or just like Samung wants you to buy their TV's, and laptops, and portable DvD players etc. But the main key is that they dont force you too, if you couldnt play playstation without a Sony TV that'd be pretty bad, then that would be a good argument, but this isnt so.

My point wasnt whether or not Sony was using business initiative, my point was that their advertising and marketing strategy was MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN NINTENDO'S. Stay on point.

Anyway, you cant buy a Sony camera without a Sony memory stick, now can ya?

i said my first hand experience in gaming and i said "if i wanted to use that argument. the point was that i can use that same argument you did. and i've used light guns before, and its not like its unimaginable. in fact its very easy to imagine, just take you're mouse in one hand and a skinny remote in the other, and act as though you using it as you would on the rev.

You cant use that argument because you dont have any first hand experience! You can say you have experience in gaming so suddenly you know how the Revo controller will fit in your hand. The design isnt going to be exactly like your DVD remote, the design could be increibly different, making a more comfortable design for the hand since it is going to be in the hand a helluva lot more than the DVD player remote.

[AngryBaby]

My point is that Nintendo was number one out of the three companies.

oh come on, even people that are obsessed with nintendo know thats not true.

1.One problem Nintendo has is that the 3rd parties are not supporting Nintendo. I don't know why. Nintendo just has a lack of 3rd party companies making games for them. 3rd party game makers are the ones who singlehandedly are digging an early grave for Nintendo.

2.nintendo is being deemed "kiddie"

3.more people own playstation 2 than any other console, so what are you talking about?

if you wanna see sales comparisons for yourself then here...

click here for sales


September NPD Hardware Sales

PS2 = 268,000
GBA = 185,000 (approx)
DS = 164,000 (approx)
PSP = 151,000 (approx)
Xbox = 124,000
GCN = 108,000

October NPD Hardware Sales

PS2 = 252,000
GBA = 208,000 (approx)
DS = 136,000 (approx)
PSP = 131,000(approx)
Xbox = 110,000
GCN = 102,000

November NPD Hardware Sales

Game Boy Advance 892,438
PlayStation 2 546,096
Nintendo DS 381,619
PlayStation Portable 359,772
Xbox 360 332,121
GameCube 278,284
Xbox 191,320

if you look at this chart i think you can clearly see who the winner is and whos in second and 3rd.

[*kryogenix*]

oh come on, even people that are obsessed with nintendo know thats not true.

1.One  problem  Nintendo has is that the 3rd parties are not supporting Nintendo. I don't know why. Nintendo just has a lack of 3rd party companies making games for them. 3rd party game makers are the ones who singlehandedly are digging an early grave for Nintendo.

2.nintendo is being deemed "kiddie"

3.more people own playstation 2 than any other console, so what are you talking about?

if you wanna see sales comparisons for yourself then here...

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11067
September NPD Hardware Sales

PS2 = 268,000
GBA = 185,000 (approx)
DS = 164,000 (approx)
PSP = 151,000 (approx)
Xbox = 124,000
GCN = 108,000

October NPD Hardware Sales

PS2 = 252,000
GBA = 208,000 (approx)
DS = 136,000 (approx)
PSP = 131,000(approx)
Xbox = 110,000
GCN = 102,000

November NPD Hardware Sales

Game Boy Advance 892,438
PlayStation 2 546,096
Nintendo DS 381,619
PlayStation Portable 359,772
Xbox 360 332,121
GameCube 278,284
Xbox 191,320

if you look at this chart i think you can clearly see who the winner is and whos in second and 3rd.

It looks like Nintendo is completely obliterating the competition in total hardware sales.

[medic]

I highly dought Apple would do something of such large proportions. Since the Game Cube Nintendo has yet to show the business world its true potential that it had at one time. It will never be able to gain it back ether. Apple has too much to loose in this case, all that they have for them is the iPod. Which if the iPod fails Apple will need a new gimmick to hit apple users. And well the gaming market is not it, they fail at it in the Computer aspect, and they don't need to buy Nintendo to figure out that they would fail at the consul business too. Look at the so called "Revolution", it does not revolutionize the market as Nintendo is selling it. It uses ago old technology, I mean the controller is a remote basically, and dear lord - if I want to add a joy stick I have to plug it into the controller. Nintendo has fallen into the cracks, they are no competition nor will they ever revolutionize the market as they think they will. On the other hand, I would not put it past the idiot Steve Jobbs to do something so stupid. The only reason Apple has not reached its full potential is because of that dumb a** peace of s*i*.

[AngryBaby]

It looks like Nintendo is completely obliterating the competition in total hardware sales.

dude you obviously didnt look at the link...

[*kryogenix*]

dude you obviously didnt look at the link...

You obviously aren't adding right.

[AngryBaby]

there is not ONE month where gamecube is beating playstation 2

[sadolakced acid]

i'm sorry...

then the gba and the ds, those aren't made by nintendo?

and they sure do count.


medic- don't you think a console based on tried and true technology will do better than a console that's using new technology that developers are less familiar with?

[*kryogenix*]

there is not ONE month where gamecube is beating playstation 2

you didn't read my post did you?

[AngryBaby]

i wanted to exclude GBA and DS, considering they arent consoles....me and thunder were arguing about top console. not about every product in general.... but i left them in there to show that thats about the only thing nintendo is beating them in... but not by much

[*mipadi*]

medic-  don't you think a console based on tried and true technology will do better than a console that's using new technology that developers are less familiar with?

That is one excellent point. The PS3's tech specs are cool, at least to a computer nerd such as myself--but the thing is a bitch to program on. A dual-threaded CPU with seven--seven!--synergistic processing elements is going to be hard for many game developers to write software for. Games traditionally are single-threaded programs; writing multithreaded threadsafe code, especially for a system with a two-threaded core and seven SPE's, is not going to be easy for many game developers. I recently read an article that stated a lot of developers are at least reluctant to develop for the PS3 because it's going to take much more work than a normal game just to write the basic engine.

[*kryogenix*]

i wanted to exclude GBA and DS, considering they arent consoles....me and thunder were arguing about top console. not about every product in general.... but i left them in there to show that thats about the only thing nintendo is beating them in... but not by much

Not by much? The GBA has vastly insuperior hardware to the PSP, yet look at the November charts. I think there was one point in time (I believe it was after the release of Jump Superstars and Nintendogs) where the DS outsold every other gaming hardware combined (handhelds AND consoles).

Another interesting fact: Sony gives numbers on how many products they ship, not how many were sold. Let's not forget that some people bought more than one PS2.

Nintendo made the more profit off of hardware sales than Sony and Microsoft did (I believe they made more than Sony and Microsoft combined, since Microsoft is actually in the red with the Xbox).

That is one excellent point. The PS3's tech specs are cool, at least to a computer nerd such as myself--but the thing is a bitch to program on. A dual-threaded CPU with seven--seven!--synergistic processing elements is going to be hard for many game developers to write software for. Games traditionally are single-threaded programs; writing multithreaded threadsafe code, especially for a system with a two-threaded core and seven SPE's, is not going to be easy for many game developers. I recently read an article that stated a lot of developers are at least reluctant to develop for the PS3 because it's going to take much more work than a normal game just to write the basic engine.

This was the issue with the PS2 and the emotion engine. Sony said something like it could render Toy Story real time, yet initial graphic quality was pretty much even (if not worse) than what the Dreamcast could put out. I heard that some early games will not use all of the SPE's (same is true for the Xbox 360, only two of the three cores are in use for some games, don't know about the Revolution yet).

This can only mean fewer multiplatform games.

[*mipadi*]

Is the Revolution multi-threaded?

[*kryogenix*]

Is the Revolution multi-threaded?

Not much is known about Broadway yet, but it's rumored to be dual core, with twice as much power as Gamecube's processor.

[ThunderEvermore]

i wanted to exclude GBA and DS, considering they arent consoles....me and thunder were arguing about top console. not about every product in general.... but i left them in there to show that thats about the only thing nintendo is beating them in... but not by much

Actually, if you read my statements, I said Nintendo was second in consoles, and first in hardware. Which is obviously proven there in your listing.

Hell the DS is ruling Japan right now, outselling everything under the sun.

[AngryBaby]

Not much is known about Broadway yet, but it's rumored to be dual core, with twice as much power as Gamecube's processor.

im hearing about the rev right now on tv and it said it was about 3 times more powerful.

but isnt like, the xbox 360 "supposedly" 8 times as powerful as the xbox?(they just said that too on the show im watching, and asked how it would stand up graphic wise to the ps3 and 360)
well i havent seen it happen yet, but who knows, the games havent exactly pushed the 360 at all.

This was the issue with the PS2 and the emotion engine. Sony said something like it could render Toy Story real time, yet initial graphic quality was pretty much even (if not worse) than what the Dreamcast could put out. I heard that some early games will not use all of the SPE's (same is true for the Xbox 360, only two of the three cores are in use for some games, don't know about the Revolution yet).

This can only mean fewer multiplatform games.

well the thing is with the ps2, one could argue that it came out earlier, dreamcast came out sep 9th 1999 right? then ps2 came out quickly after in 2000. while xbox and game cube came out late 2001. if they all came out at the same time, then i think i would be alot harder on em'.

i own both dreamcast and ps2, and ps2 is ahead of dreamcast graphics wise, they are not even that close....play soul caliber on dreamcast and then on Ps2, you will notice a bigger difference than you think. or to find a great difference is by playing nba 2k2 and then playing nba 2k3 on ps2. a big way i could recognize the difference to my self is that i could notice these things: the players that were on the court in dreamcast look like the players that were on the bench in ps2. and ps2's character models off the bench look like an upgraded version. and resident evil on ps2 looks much better than nemises on dreamcast. and when i plug my dreamcast in to play one of my all time favorite games, shenmue. when the opening sequence comes on i always think to myself "haha i remember when i thought these graphics were AMAZING"

Another interesting fact: Sony gives numbers on how many products they ship, not how many were sold. Let's not forget that some people bought more than one PS2.

what makes you so sure that people didnt buy more than one gamecube?

Not by much? The GBA has vastly insuperior hardware to the PSP, yet look at the November charts. I think there was one point in time (I believe it was after the release of Jump Superstars and Nintendogs) where the DS outsold every other gaming hardware combined (handhelds AND consoles).

again me and thunder were talking game cube, xbox and ps2. not nintendo corporation vs. playstation and xbox.

but let me give some reasons why I think nintendo DS might be doing better than PSP, realistically.

1.the majority of handheld consumers are children.

2. believe it or not nintendo tends to appeal to young children....

3. the games on DS interest children more so than PSP would, PSP tends to attract a bit of an older audience.

4. PSP has discs, Discs + children= trouble

5. the PSP can be intimidating to a younger audience.

6. DS came first...

now i own both of these handhelds, but however innovative DS may be doesnt mean i like it any more than my PSP...

[*RiC3xBoy*]

1.the majority of handheld consumers are children.

Whoa whoa, Evan, are you sure? I honestly think the handhelds are more for the teenage - young adult group.

2. believe it or not nintendo tends to appeal to young children....

Nintendo stuff usually appeals too all audiences.

[AngryBaby]

Kevin! yay lets argue

when i say children i dont mean like 6 year olds lol.

the average consumer for a handheld is more from the age of 8-13 at least more so than teens and adults. especially for nintendo products.

Nintendo stuff usually appeals too all audiences

mario, donkey kong, nintendogs,and pokemon does usually tend to appeal to children... at least more so than adults. notice i said DS games. so i dont mean necessarily nintendo in general, though they do appeal more to children than playstation would.

[*kryogenix*]

im hearing about the rev right now on tv and it said it was about 3 times more powerful.

but isnt like, the xbox 360 "supposedly" 8 times as powerful as the xbox?(they just said that too on the show im watching, and asked how it would stand up graphic wise to the ps3 and 360)
well i havent seen it happen yet, but who knows, the games havent exactly pushed the 360 at all.

I hope this isn't G4.

what makes you so sure that people didnt buy more than one gamecube?

Gamecubes are less prone to breaking. They don't have DVD drives, it was a clamshell drive as well. Up until recently, there were no modchips for the gamecube. Countless PS2's broke as a result of failed mod attempts (even more failed simply because of the quality of hardware). I know people that bought the PS2, had it break, then bought the slim PS2.

1.the majority of handheld consumers are children.
2. believe it or not nintendo tends to appeal to young children....
3. the games on DS interest children more so than PSP would, PSP tends to attract a bit of an older audience.


Kevin! yay lets argue

when i say children i dont mean like 6 year olds lol.

the average consumer for a handheld is more from the age of 8-13 at least more so than teens and adults. especially for nintendo products.

Evidence?

mario, donkey kong, nintendogs,and pokemon does usually tend to  appeal to children... at least more so than adults. notice i said DS games. so i dont mean necessarily nintendo in general, though they do appeal more to children than playstation would.

The top selling games for DS in Japan appealed to a wide range of ages. Nintendogs for kids, Jump Superstars for teens and Brain Training for adults.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

im hearing about the rev right now on tv and it said it was about 3 times more powerful.
well the thing is with the ps2, one could argue that it came out earlier, dreamcast came out sep 9th 1999 right? then ps2 came out quickly after in 2000. while xbox and game cube came out late 2001. if they all came out at the same time, then i think i would be alot harder on em'.

What? What the hell does that have to do with anything? You mean, if they were made around the same time, the graphics would be similar? Yeah, they might have been, but it also depends on the hardware quality. Xbox and gamecube came out nearly the same time, but xbox has better graphics.

what makes you so sure that people didnt buy more than one gamecube?

Wow, that has nothing to do with Kyro's last comment either. He's saying that they don't know how many ps2's were bought. That people were also buying 2.

With people buying 2 GC's doesn't matter. Cause Nintendo keeps track of all the consoles that were sold.

again me and thunder were talking game cube, xbox and ps2. not nintendo corporation vs. playstation and xbox.

You need to get your freaking facts together. What the hell are you talking about. nintendo, ps2, xbox. Nintendo is a company, xbox and ps2 are consoles.

1.the majority of handheld consumers are children.

2. believe it or not nintendo tends to appeal to young children....

3. the games on DS interest children more so than PSP would, PSP tends to attract a bit of an older audience.

4. PSP has discs, Discs + children= trouble

5. the PSP can be intimidating to a younger audience.

6. DS came first...

1.Maybe. Not in Japan.
2.Maybe here, not in Japan.
3.Oh yeah, Resident Evil is definitley marketed towards 8 year olds.
4.PSP uses UMD. Which aren't disks. Technically, they are disks, in like a sort of protective like shells. But, the shells also add more storage capacity. Like the Blu-Ray disks. With the actual disk itself, its 25-50 gigs. But the Case adds a couple more gigs, or something like that. The disk itself could be like, 40-45. So the case would add 5 gigs.
5.It is not. When Iw as younger, I was as tech savvy as I am today> I would definitley have picked a PSP over a DS.
6.Maybe.

[AngryBaby]

I hope this isn't G4.

lmao. nah, spike tv

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

lmao. nah, spike tv 

Im assuming you also watch the VGAs.

[AngryBaby]

i didnt see it yet, let me guess, god of war won everything? haha

[*mipadi*]

4.PSP uses UMD. Which aren't disks. Technically, they are disks, in like a sort of protective like shells. But, the shells also add more storage capacity. Like the Blu-Ray disks. With the actual disk itself, its 25-50 gigs. But the Case adds a couple more gigs, or something like that. The disk itself could be like, 40-45. So the case would add 5 gigs.

UMD's are an optical disc. They each hold 1.8 GB of data.

[medic]

i'm sorry...

then the gba and the ds, those aren't made by nintendo?

and they sure do count.
medic- don't you think a console based on tried and true technology will do better than a console that's using new technology that developers are less familiar with?

Yes actually I do, if I want a peace of s*** I would own a Game Cube. To win any market, you have to be "up on" the new technology so it appeals to idiots that do not know what there talking about. Like people who buy eMachines just because they have nice specs. In the case of gaming, look at how far PC games have evolved over the years. Sim City, the first one took up a grand total of 300 megs of space. Sim City 4 now takes up 1.14 gigs, the ideals of the Gaming industry is to the newest technology. Its like saying, I'll buy a Intel Celeron because it is based on old single processor technology, or I will take the change and spend a little more money and get the Dual core Pentium Extreme, they may not be familiar technologies, but the bottom line is..... Innovation Sells.

[*kryogenix*]

Yes actually I do, if I want a peace of s*** I would own a Game Cube. To win any market, you have to be "up on" the new technology so it appeals to idiots that do not know what there talking about. Like people who buy eMachines just because they have nice specs. In the case of gaming, look at how far PC games have evolved over the years. Sim City, the first one took up a grand total of 300 megs of space. Sim City 4 now takes up 1.14 gigs, the ideals of the Gaming industry is to the newest technology. Its like saying, I'll buy a Intel Celeron because it is based on old single processor technology, or I will take the change and spend a little more money and get the Dual core Pentium Extreme, they may not be familiar technologies, but the bottom line is..... Innovation Sells.

Isn't the PS2 weaker than the Gamecube?

Now, just because something is using more resources, does it mean it's using it effectively?

You say the latest and greatest technology (Xbox 360 and PS3) is the key to winning the market, then in the last sentence, you say innovation (Revolution) sells.

[ThunderEvermore]

Im sorry but with more GBAs out there than PS2s I find it hard to believe that theyre all in the hands of kids.

The average gamer is 30 years old, and only 35% of gamers are under 18.

If we assume that even just the GBA, not factoring in the DS, is geared towards kids, the numbers dont add up.

[The_AZN_Godfathe...]

If apple does buy Nintendo [though I think unlikely] it'd probably be to compete with Microsoft. Microsoft entered the gaming world, maybe apple would.

Maybe?

[*mipadi*]

Here's an interesting question: if Apple bought Nintendo and made a gaming machine, would it be based on the Mac OS, or whatever OS Nintendo's systems are based on?

[*kryogenix*]

Unless apple is stupid, they 'd almost positively let Nintendo do whatever they want. Nintendo knows gaming, Apple doesn't. The only thing I can see apple doing is forcing Nintendo to use the consoles as a vehicle to distribute content.

But it probably won't happen.

[*mipadi*]

Yeah, I'm still inclined to believe that there is little to no truth to the rumor. The console gaming market is already saturated with the Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo console. It'd be a hard business to break into. Besides that, there isn't much profit to be had on the consoles themselves--everybody but Nintendo takes a huge loss on the hardware--the real money is made in the games.

That being said, if anyone would have the innovative attitude to break into a saturated market and be successful, my money would be on Apple. But I doubt it's a market they're interested in, considering they don't even pay much attention to gaming on the Macintosh.

[sadolakced acid]

i don't see them getting rid of the nintendo trademark.

mayhaps apple would buy them, but they wouldn't do much except make it so that nintendo things are compatible with apple things.

like, stick an ipod dock in the revoltuion or something.

[EddieV]

^ I don't really know, because the X-Box: 360 can connect to the iRiver H10.