new hiring process, pros and cons Options

[*incoherent*]

so, i was talking with someone about this about 2 minutes ago and wanted to know what everyone though of how it went being the first time it was implimented.

i didnt want to put this just randomly in another thread, i wanted it to be seen.

so, pros and cons.

pros
-i liked the idea of nominations.

cons
-nominations seemed like endorsements which we did away with due to the fact that only people were picking their friends. i did talk to many mods, and noted it for myself too, that mods werent nominating just friends. i was nominated by 3 people i didnt even talk to.

-not everyone seems to get their chance. just because they dont stand out, doesnt mean they shouldnt be given a shot. sure, there was the discussion thread, but how much of that was taken in when nominations were made?

[Gigi]

This is pretty long but take the time to read this.

Pros
- I like how nominations lets us base our decisions solely on how the person presents themself on cB.

Cons
- I think a lot of qualified people weren't taken into consideration. Yeah, the mods are on a lot but it doesn't mean we know EVERYONE or remember EVERYONE. I know for sure that there are some people I forgot about that would still be great for the job.

- Although some people didn't like the old system because it was based on a lot of persuasion and writing a one-sided application, I prefer it over the current one. It let us become aware of ALL the people who were interested in the job, and let us judge ALL these people equally.

For nominations, a lot of it is based on how popular and how active a member is (yeah, yeah, mods are saying that it's not a popularity contest. But it IS, somewhat. If you're NOT popular enough you won't get noticed), so the choices made are very limited.

Applications allows for all the interested candidates to write an app and let us all judge each person equally. It sort of gives us a "list" of people, instead of having to pick people ourselves. The candidates shortlist themselves, and that makes things much easier and fairer.

You say that applications can lie, huh? Well, the mods aren't stupid. We can tell if the person is lying or not, or if they're qualified or not by just looking at their username. We don't need an application. The app is basically, IMO anyway, to tell people you're interested in being a mod. All the "reasons why we should hire you" may be the way to differentiate the excellent from the superior, but generally, a decision is made from the candidate's regular attitudes and helpfulness, etc, not some big essay.

Yeah. That was pretty long.

[sadolakced acid]

is a not popular member likely to be chosen as a mod, with either system?

[*incoherent*]

gigi, i was honestly thinking the same thing, i just wanted to know how other people felt.

i like the old way better as well.

[Fabio.]

Pros

+ Nominations = good. I like how some people who might have been to afraid or shy or modest to actually apply were nominated. Myself for example: I didn't think I was qualified because of my post count (which was about 200 at the time), but I saw that the mods were willing to overlook that because of my previous account.

+ Member Discusson = okay. I liked being able to give feedback and hear what other people's positions on certain members were.

Cons

- Member Discussion = okay. But what I didn't like was how, in some cases, if you had more friends, you got more feedback, and you were more likely to be considered.

- No applications = bad. A lot of people were nominated and never knew it because they were away, or nominated and never wanted the position. If there was a way to combine nomination and application, that would be the best way. I think there needs to be a way to show the staff, "look, I'm interested in being on the staff team and this is why."

Meli's two cents.

[Gigi]

is a not popular member likely to be chosen as a mod, with either system?

If the member's not popular, maybe not for People Staff. By not popular I assume you mean that not everyone knows the person, not that everyone hates the member. If the member's not well known, it doesn't mean he/she won't be active and won't do a good job, especially for the design positions.

A non-popular, QUALIFIED member is much more likely to be chosen as a mod in the apps system.

[sadolakced acid]

^ however, (certain) mods are who ultimately choose. if they don't know the person, then how likely is it that they're chosen?

i agree that people who want to be staff should be able to say so, and receive consideration.

what i suggest is that such members may write out a short application in a thread, which each mod can read and decide if they wish to nominate the members.

the mods can review the member's past posts to "get to know them", if they're not certain.

[Gigi]

That's what I hate about debating with you, Justin, you always have to make explain myself so clearly, multiple times. yeah jk.

what i meant by "not knowing" is not knowing that person in a friendship situation. there are some people on cb that aren't generally known of, friendship/clique-wise, but are helpful and contribute to createBlog anyway. obviously if the person is just a newbie who hasn't posted a lot won't be considered.

[sadolakced acid]

^ however, a newbie who hasn't posted a lot isn't likely to meet the requirements, are they?

although, yes, i do agree that generally, if you know someone, like with inside jokes and convos and all, then that can't be emulated by simply reading back posts, but reading back posts can help give a general idea of a person.

i'm sure mods wouldn't be like... they're not my friend, so although their posts seem quite intelligent, i don't know them personally and thus will not nominate them.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I visit the Design forums a lot and I don't think anyone was overlooked. There's just not that many people coming out of there.

I think it went fine. I don't see anything wrong with it. Yes, if you're not very known, you will get overlooked. It's somewhat of a popularity contest, but not necessarily "popularity" - just being known. If you don't stand out from the rest, or put yourself out there, you can't blame us for not recognizing you. I think this is better. It's what I wanted, personally. I want to be able to pick people off the top of my head that really stand out to me, and have. Those are the people that deserve it.

No mod should be so little known that mods can't think of who they are, or see them enough on a daily basis to think of them. We had the noms open for a long time; if someone had come to our mind later, we could have edited our posts and included them.

Gigi, I don't think your point is very valid - I don't think Libertie or Julie are that well-known by people, personally. No one has to know anyone else personally. As long as they stand out, they'll be recognized.

[Mulder]

we all know that i wasnt particularly happy with this, though there were some good things about it.


pros:

nominations. i liked the fact that people were nominated. i would have never considered myself qualified to apply for xanga staff...

discussions: i liked that the community was able to input on who was nominated


cons:

not everyone qualified was nominated. at least with applications the mods would know who was interested. people nominated may not want to be staff anyway.

i personally would never have applied for xanga staff. i wanted people staff. but i was nominated for xanga staff only.

not all mods did this, but some did nominated their friends. not that toya isnt qualified, but she was nominated by many people who were her friends and said that they didnt visit the design forums enough to make a decision about it. (i think toya is absolutely qualified, shes just an example. replace toya with "bob".)

member discussion: the community wasnt very active. the people that posted there were mostly people who were nominees, not the rest of the community. also, a lot of the people that werent nominees mentioned their friends.


eh.

my two cents.

[KissMe2408]

i'm sure mods wouldn't be like... they're not my friend, so although their posts seem quite intelligent, i don't know them personally and thus will not nominate them.

Well, i know this might sound weird, but I didn't really know Michael (Mipadi) too well, I just knew that EVERYONE was talking about him and talking about him joining the staff team. I think I was one of the only mods that didn't nominate him. I recognized his avatar quite well, but for some reason it didn't click for him to be a mod. Then after seeing all this buzz about him, I went to read his posts to learn more about him in general. And I thought he was a really intellegent guy, but it does take more the intelligence to become a good staff member. I just didn't see him around too often. That's one of the problems I see with this system, Sometimes the really good people go unnoticed to some mods (for example the whole michael thing to me). He posts more in the debate and technology sections, where I don't go as often as other parts of CB.
lol well my point is:

Pros- i very much like the discussion thread in the lounge. I thought it was helpful for both the staff and the members. Plus the members got to say more on who they think is qualified to become a staff member

Cons- People can go unnoticed for a staff position. (I'll use the example of Michael again here. Oh, and even though he was still choosen for being a mod, and had a bunch of nominations, it still can happen, you know. It happened to me. Also, i'm sure there were some people that went unnoticed, especially in the design staff/xanga/myspace area. When I had to list nominees i think i spent an hour looking for people who were qualified and had good attitudes. I think half of them didn't even accept the nomination or didn't even know they were. I'm bound to have missed a bunch, It's hard weeding through people sometimes, especially in the design staff)
-there are no applications. I think it is important that the members write down why they want to be part of the staff, how they would contribute, etc. Gigi had a good way of putting it.

I'm sure there are more pro's and con's . Those are just the ones off the top of my head

[*disco infiltrator*]

member discussion: the community wasnt very active. the people that posted there were mostly people who were nominees, not the rest of the community. also, a lot of the people that werent nominees mentioned their friends.

That was only there because a while ago, some members complained about there not being any community input. Personally, I don't think it should've been there at all. But, it's the members' fault if they don't use what they asked for.

If everyone was against this way of hiring, why didn't anyone say anything before we did it, and why did the committee vote yes?...It seems like some of you just don't like the system because you feel as if you were overlooked.

[Mulder]

member discussion: the community wasnt very active. the people that posted there were mostly people who were nominees, not the rest of the community. also, a lot of the people that werent nominees mentioned their friends.

That was only there because a while ago, some members complained about there not being any community input. Personally, I don't think it should've been there at all. But, it's the members' fault if they don't use what they asked for.

If everyone was against this way of hiring, why didn't anyone say anything before we did it, and why did the committee vote yes?...It seems like some of you just don't like the system because you feel as if you were overlooked.

i completely agree. i never supported the idea of a community discussion thread to begin with. but it didnt serve any purpose. everything went on backstage..without much community input.

[*disco infiltrator*]

We used the community input, but they basically said the same things we & the other mods did. I don't know why it was SUCH a big deal to have community input before..

[KissMe2408]

i completely agree. i never supported the idea of a community discussion thread to begin with. but it didnt serve any purpose. everything went on backstage..without much community input.

^I've always thought the community discussion thread was just to let some members have their say about who they supported, I never thought it to have that much of a purpose. Community input was just a nice thing to have, and just let the members voice if they wanted to. If the community discussion thread wasn't there I wouldn't mind, If the community thread IS there then i wouldn't mind either.

If everyone was against this way of hiring, why didn't anyone say anything before we did it, and why did the committee vote yes?...It seems like some of you just don't like the system because you feel as if you were overlooked.

Re-read this topic.
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109893
I think there was 3 nays to have it be the way it is now, most everyone wanted it this way. I remember liking the original way of hiring. I actually think this system overlooks people more then before.

[*disco infiltrator*]

It overlooks those that deserve to be overlooked. They're overlooked because they don't stand out. They don't make an impression. Mods SHOULD stand out as good, solid leaders.

[KissMe2408]

^yah i agree mods should stand out to be good leaders. But sometimes people do get overlooked when they are exceptionally qualified. Hey, you're talking to the girl that overlooked Michael, as I said in the post above. And you can easily overlook someone who would be a good staff member for myspace or xanga.
What i liked about the applications is that it gave everyone a fair chance, and even if that person didn't make it, atleast people recognize that you would like to be a part of the team and are intersted in helping out. That helps especially when the next hiring comes around, and that person might be reconsidered.

[Gigi]

Sammi, I think my point is extremely valid. I really don't think it's about getting SOME of the good candidates, I think it's about getting ALL of them. The point being, Julie and Dani are great for the job, and they WERE noticed, but I feel that there are many other people that would want to and deserved to be noticed, too.

With apps, all that are interested will, like Suzzette said, at least be considered, whereas in the nominations system they may not. Of course, they could always nag a moderator to nominate but that sort of defeats the purpose? Wouldn't we better off with an endorsement system if that were to happen? And if we really, strongly wanted someone to be modded in the apps system, but the person didn't apply, we could always just ask them if they wanted to or not. If the person refuses, that only means that he/she is really not interested. Either way it works.

[*incoherent*]

thats what i was talking to meli about. this system just seems to be implying endorsements, which we did away with because they were serving much of a purpose.

and like katie said, i had no clue who kristina was at all until she was nominated.

[Heathasm]

pros: the nominations were great because people that wouldnt of normally applied for staff and were very qualified got the right positions

cons: the community input really wasnt there. i would of liked there to be a set number of mods we were going to hire for each staff position and have the community choose out of the nominees with that set number for each position and the votes be manually tallied up with no more changes from the mods

//edit
to my cons
i also think that datru katalyst was modded over friendship and wasnt looked at the same way as the other mods were

[sadolakced acid]

but there is more than one mod.

so if someone states they want to be nominated; some won't think they should, but there would be some who find the person worthy to be a mod, don't you think?

[*disco infiltrator*]

Who do you guys think was overlooked?...

I mean..we all got to nominate. If not one person nominated someone you thought was qualified...obviously they weren't. Out of like, what, 30 mods, and not one noticed them?..I don't think they would have been cut out for the job then anyway.

If you can't even catch the eye of at least 1 out of 30 pretty active people, you shouldn't be a mod. Then, you're not standing out enough.

[*mzkandi*]

I dont give a flying pigs which way its done as long and community and mod input is apart of the process! ( )

I remember when the modding process was being voted on (this whole nomination thing) I voted nay with my reasoning being:

I'm in favor of a somewhat more traditonal way. As far as all qualifed members applying (via submission of application). Then have a community thread so the community can have a say in who they should be a mod (input) and well as one backstage for mods to voice their opinion. The feedback from both sides would be taken in consideration for by the admins and head staff on who they think should be hired. It opens it up for more variety of people to apply so no one is overlooked, at least, thats what I think.

However, after trying out the nominations I dont think its bad either. I mean some of you are saying people may be overlooked but just because you overlook someone doesnt mean another mod will. For example, someone may nominate someone that another mod may think is not all that qualfied but are still both looked at equally. I can't say much on the community part but our backstage dicussions on each nominee were very in-depth. And if the nominees that arent hired, we can still keep and eye out on their progress for another hiring.

i personally would never have applied for xanga staff. i wanted people staff. but i was nominated for xanga staff only.

Hrmm....if you were unhappy with your nomination and knew deep down you really didnt want an Xanga position but People you shouldnt have accepted your nomination. That goes for anyone else with if this nomination thing continues.

i also think that datru katalyst was modded over friendship and wasnt looked at the same way as the other mods were

I really do respect that that is your opinion but have you ever thought that maybe he just as qualfied as applicants? And even if you dont, I dont think we should call out new hirees...we are dicussing the nomination process, not individuals who had no say in whether or not they got hired. If you think that is the case then I think it would best to take it up with all those involved in the final hiring dicussion privitely.

Oh and one more thing I would like to add. If we are to continue this nomination process I think we should make it mandatory that all staff p/m those that they nominated that way they are informed of their nomination.

And yeah, I see the valid arguments for both sides.

[Mulder]

Oh and one more thing I would like to add. If we are to continue this nomination process I think we should make it mandatory that all staff p/m those that they nominated that way they are informed of their nomination.

i completely agree.

poor jason..he didnt know he was nominated.

[*incoherent*]

alright, so here's what i was thinking.

maybe combining both of the forms. anyone who wants can apply, but the staff can also hold nominations. those nominated wont have to apply. this way it gives everyone a chance to at least be considered.

i know someone said they could have just posted a reply in the discussion thread, but some werent nominated. i think everyone deserves a chance, but not everyone has to be hired. they could at least be considered even if they wouldnt make a great mod at all.

[*mzkandi*]

^ Hold both??...nah, I dont think so. What would be the purpose in nominating at all when everyone can just go ahead apply (doing both makes no sense)....If some have to go through an application process then all them should to make it fair if thats the case..Its either one or the other.

[*incoherent*]

well, in toyas case...she would never apply because she wouldnt write an application.

idk. i think we either stick with the one or just vote on it again since a bunch of people seem to be voicing opinions of not liking it. maybe the next time jusun is on we can talk to him about it.

[KissMe2408]

^x2 I agree, if you have the application process, everyone should go through it.

I'll agree with you Spencer on you saying that everyone deserves a chance. The nominations thing isn't a terribly bad idea, It worked pretty well this time around. However, I would like to give everyone a fair chance. It's like holding an audition (here comes the theatre freak), We want to hold an open audition, and let everyone show their stuff and keep them in mind even if we dont' hire them, atleast it'll show they want to be a part of the staff. We'll keep an eye on them. The nominations thing kinda resembles closed auditions, where the director/producer calls up people they've seen around or know would be good for the part. I think having the applications would give a more open feel to picking a staff member, we want to give everyone a fair chance. Eh, maybe the audition thing was a bad analogy, but hey that's how I think.

[sadolakced acid]

if it had been applications i certainly would not have applied.

i don't like applications. no one ever follows the instruction of "one paragraph on how you would make cB better". it basically means either you have to be well known, or you have to toot your horn very, very well.

mayhaps, if used, the applications should not be basis for choosing new mods.

and i think having a system why you can apply for mod review, in which mods would individually decide whether to nominate you or not, would work out fine.

[Heathasm]

I really do respect that that is your opinion but have you ever thought that maybe he just as qualfied as applicants? And even if you dont, I dont think we should call out new hirees...we are dicussing the nomination process, not individuals who had no say in whether or not they got hired. If you think that is the case then I think it would best to take it up with all those involved in the final hiring dicussion privitely.

Oh and one more thing I would like to add. If we are to continue this nomination process I think we should make it mandatory that all staff p/m those that they nominated that way they are informed of their nomination.

And yeah, I see the valid arguments for both sides.

ahhh, i REALLY wasnt trying to be disrespectful
but i wanted to state my opinion instead of just saying "some of the mods/one of the mods" *flashback to mod performance thread*

i just think its another reason to have more community input next time

[*disco infiltrator*]

You guys are missing the point of the nominations and not applications...we don't WANT people who would otherwise go unnoticed...

I hated the applications. They were suck-up things and some people just had way too much of an ego to write them without coming off cocky, or they would put way too much and even if they were qualified, I wouldn't want to hire them because they were just trying way too hard. I want people to just naturally stand out, not stand out because they put a lot of crap on their application.

[Mulder]

i dont see why you have to stand out. for a design staff position its not as important to be noticed.

[*Libertie*]

You guys are missing the point of the nominations and not applications...we don't WANT people who would otherwise go unnoticed...

I hated the applications. They were suck-up things and some people just had way too much of an ego to write them without coming off cocky, or they would put way too much and even if they were qualified, I wouldn't want to hire them because they were just trying way too hard. I want people to just naturally stand out, not stand out because they put a lot of crap on their application.

I agree. I think the best way to show that you WANT a position on staff is to just be patient and prove you can handle it. I don't mean by mini-modding by any means, but the qualified people will be seen and chosen. Obviously, though, not every person who is fit for the job will be picked, because if that happened we'd have WAY too many people on staff. From what I gather, the only point really of putting in an application is to say "Hey, I'd like to be a mod" and then the rest depends on posting history, attitude, etc. No matter what method we choose, not everyone will be happy and the people who stand out as being most qualified will still be chosen.

I particularly liked this method. I would never have submitted an app, the whole idea just scares me. I just don't think highly enough of myself to try to convince a group of people that I'm qualified for something. To me, people who are fit to be on staff don't HAVE to tell everyone to consider them. And do note that I am NOT denying that several people here are qualified. I'm just saying that I don't think the results would have been much different by any other method.

[sadolakced acid]

i dont see why you have to stand out. for a design staff position its not as important to be noticed.

acutally, i'd think it'd be more important for prospecitve desing staff to be notieced by current design staff.

if you're helpign people, designing skins, etc... how would you not be noticed?

[Gigi]

^ Not a lot of people go in design forums, it's a lot of newbies who say their thanks and leave. It's not like the lounge, where people develop relationships and friendships. It's harder to keep track in there.
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I understand where you're coming from, Sammi, and I have to say that's a reasonable argument.

However, another reason why I don't like nominations is because we need to ASK the qualified members. I don't want to look through the thread right now, but someone said "If it weren't for the fact that they were nominated, these people wouldn't apply otherwise." Well, that's a bad sign.

I think people need to show intiative and show that they're really passionate about createBlog, and by picking "qualified" people who aren't really excited and obsessed with cB like some other members are...I don't like that.

This is my take on apps:
- They are a way to make a "list" of those interested -> Easier to deal with, and gives everyone a chance.
- By making people write an app it shows that they're at least a little serious about it.
- Other than that, I think that all the decisions made should be based on performance, contributions, overall helpfulness, friendliness, etc. Not the app itself.

[sadolakced acid]

then why not just have people submit thier names? goblet of fire style and all.

[KissMe2408]

However, another reason why I don't like nominations is because we need to ASK the qualified members. I don't want to look through the thread right now, but someone said "If it weren't for the fact that they were nominated, these people wouldn't apply otherwise." Well, that's a bad sign.
I think people need to show intiative and show that they're really passionate about createBlog, and by picking "qualified" people who aren't really excited and obsessed with cB like some other members are...I don't like that.
This is my take on apps:
- They are a way to make a "list" of those interested -> Easier to deal with, and gives everyone a chance.
- By making people write an app it shows that they're at least a little serious about it.
- Other than that, I think that all the decisions made should be based on performance, contributions, overall helpfulness, friendliness, etc. Not the app itself.

^I very much agree with you on that. I think you explain things much better then I ever could Gigi.

then why not just have people submit thier names? goblet of fire style and all.

^lol goblet of fire style. I find that funny :)
Well, i think there should be more of an effort then submitting your name. If I were choosing someone to be on the staff team , I would want to know why they would want to be a part of the staff....How they would contribute, I would also like to know general information about them, how old they are, interests, blah, blah. Just to understand that person better. I mean the person that gets choosen will ultimately be representing CB as a staff member, and I would like to be sure I'm hiring the best. If they are too lazy or whatever to write out an application like they would for a job in the real world then personally i wouldn't bother hiring them. I just think it's one of those steps you have to take. But that's just my opinion, I know other people don't think it's necessary, and I respect that.

[sadolakced acid]

but what benefit does making people write "one paragraph about how you'd change cB" when most people really won't be doing much changing do?

and plus, people write like... 8 paragraphs about how they found cB and how they love it and such...

i mean, sure. it's fine and dandy. but it doens't really seem to be much of an application...

and i'm against having people do something as busyworkish.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I really disliked applications. Either people thought WAY too highly of themselves, tried to hard, or didn't try at all. I didn't really see any happy mediums. Nothing impressed me with those applications.

And Michelle, I agree with Justin. Design people should stand out MORE than People people. In a mass of people, only some will have design skills. Plenty can have people skills. It's harder to pick out those who really stand out in the community. It was pretty easy for me to pick out those I saw right away, standing out from the rest of the people in those forums.

[Mulder]

And Michelle, I agree with Justin. Design people should stand out MORE than People people. In a mass of people, only some will have design skills. Plenty can have people skills. It's harder to pick out those who really stand out in the community. It was pretty easy for me to pick out those I saw right away, standing out from the rest of the people in those forums.

i didnt know who reili was until i started visiting the xanga forums. i dont know who half the staff are there. for people staff you should be well known, but for a design staff position, as long as you're somewhat known..

eh.

id like to go back to applications. its how you apply for a real job. i prefer it rather than being nominated.

[sadolakced acid]

do we all remember the applications:

SAMPLE APPLICATION QUESTION:

write one paragraph about how you would change cB if you were a mod.

SAMPLE APPLICATION:

i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. 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I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.

[Mulder]

do we all remember the applications:

SAMPLE APPLICATION QUESTION:

write one paragraph about how you would change cB if you were a mod.

SAMPLE APPLICATION:

i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.  i really really want to be a mod.  i'm a very dedicated member.  ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod.  i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community.    I'm able to be on the computer a lot.    while cB is not my life it is close to it.  if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard.  i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules.

i always thought that question was pointless..but touche.

an application basically stating any previous mod experience.

basically. thats what you put on a normal job application. well, at least the ones ive had to fill out.

[*mona lisa*]

For Design-related Staff, it's obvious that you don't have to stand out as much the candidates for People Staff. However, and this isn't directed towards a specific person, being known shouldn't count as a big factor. If you're upset you didn't get on Staff, maybe you should think about why you didn't. If you wanted a design position, you should stand out most in that forum.

Nominations are not necessary, but they really are not that bad. I hardly know/knew any of the members I nominated, but they stood out to me when I went all around the different forums. If you looked carefully, most staff didn't just nominate their friends. If they did and it was evident, then clearly they wouldn't be/weren't modded.

There are both good and bad things about the applications. One doesn't exactly write the way they act. You can have a total goof write a convincing and meaningful application. You can have a great candidate who just isn't good at writing, but its doesn't really make them any less qualified. There are others that try too hard and others that don't make the cut. But don't you think the Staff especially the Admins and Heads would be able to comprehend the applications in a proper way? They can look at their behavior and qualities as well as their helpfulness that would help them choose the best candidates for new staff and carry on from there.

[Mulder]

For Design-related Staff, it's obvious that you don't have to stand out as much the candidates for People Staff. However, and this isn't directed towards a specific person, being known shouldn't count as a big factor. If you're upset you didn't get on Staff, maybe you should think about why you didn't. If you wanted a design position, you should stand out most in that forum.

i wasnt asking why i didnt make staff.

i pretty much understand why, and im ok with that. im not trying to cause trouble over that.

and i do think that admins and heads can discern between the "real" and the "fake" of the applications.

i dont think applicants should have to write a paragraph though. maybe just basic info..their age, mod experience, extra-curricular activities that might affect their ability to be a mod...

stuff like that.

[*mona lisa*]

i wasnt asking why i didnt make staff.

i pretty much understand why, and im ok with that. im not trying to cause trouble over that.

and i do think that admins and heads can discern between the "real" and the "fake" of the applications.

i dont think applicants should have to write a paragraph though. maybe just basic info..their age, mod experience, extra-curricular activities that might affect their ability to be a mod...

stuff like that.

Again, it wasn't directed towards anyone. I said that. :)

Maybe all those things you mentioned could be written properly into a paragraph. I mean, you could state why you think you would be helpful to the createBlog community; state any mod experiences you have/had and basically, anything that would make the staff want to hire you, but being truthful at the same time. Anyone can just list all that information and as lazy as some people are, they will turn away if they see that a paragraph is required. Those who are interested will do it and those who aren't will not. Simple.

[Mulder]

Again, it wasn't directed towards anyone. I said that. :)

Maybe all those things you mentioned could be written properly into a paragraph. I mean, you could state why you think you would be helpful to the createBlog community; state any mod experiences you have/had and basically, anything that would make the staff want to hire you, but being truthful at the same time. Anyone can just list all that information and as lazy as some people are, they will turn away if they see that a paragraph is required. Those who are interested will do it and those who aren't will not. Simple.

sorry

and i agree..but the paragraphs usually dont turn out like that. ideally the aplicants would put only relevant information..and not say things like "i love createblog so much and i would love to mod it because its awesome!".


and i have modding powers in this forum now! yay.

[*mzkandi*]

The way I see it is the application process doesnt sway much in whether you get modded at all. Its all going to boil down to your overall presence on the forum, how you interact with other members, whether or not you stand out, activeness, how helpful you are around the boards (both for design and people), how long you've been a member and how much you have contributed to the site. I honestly think should we have had an actual application process with same people that were nominated the outcome would have been the same. The only thing I see about the traditional way is that is open it up for everyone pretty much. Personally, dont see anything wrong with that just like I dont see anything wrong nominations. In conclusion, the biggest draw about the traditional way is that everyone is considered and with nominations only the most qualifed are considered as deemed by mods. They both have pros and cons. With nominations there is a possiblity of overlooking somone (even though that is highly unlikely in my opinion considering all the mods we have), also, there is the possibiltiy of nominating someone for a positon they really dont want (for example nominating someone for Myspace staff when they really want to be People) in which case I say they should reject their nomination. With the traditional way, while everyone is considered, only the ones that really stand are going to be seriously considered. For example, when all the mods had our backstage discussion on the nominees some of the mods stated that some nominees didnt "stand out" . If some nominees dont stand out even when mods are nominating imagine how much more you must stand in the traditional process. Just a thought.

[*incoherent*]

alright...so if everyone is against writing out a paragraph about mod experience and how someone can be "fake" about it...just make it like nominations, but a person can nominate themself. just make a thread for all of the interested and they can just reply by saying something like "im in" or whatnot. like kiera said...

the application process doesnt sway much in whether you get modded at all

with that being said, no one is going to be picked on how fake they were. its their overall general being in the forums. if they dont stand out, they should at least be given a chance even if they are not going to be modded. everyone deserves a chance to be at least evaluated.

i guess what im saying is mods can nominate people who feel that they make great mods if someone or themselves didnt nominate themselves.

so in other words...a person can nominate themself, someone else can nominate someone, or a mod can nominate them giving everyone a fair chance.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Why do people have to nominate themselves?

Everyone's evaluated anyway. That's how they're chosen to be nominated. I'm not seeing your point.

[sadolakced acid]

what i suggest is that such members may write out a short application in a thread, which each mod can read and decide if they wish to nominate the members.

something like that, mayhaps?

[*mzkandi*]

^But didnt even you say some qualifed member may be turned off by the whole application type process and may not apply? I do believe you said you wouldnt have applied if applications were involved.

[sadolakced acid]

i mean in addition to nominations the way they were.

just like a thread where you can post if you wish to be nominated and for what.

[*mzkandi*]

Then whats the point in nominating at all. I think that has been suggested anyway. If some members have to go through an application type process then they all should go through it to make it fair.

[sadolakced acid]

well, i think application should be:

i wish to be considered for nomination to people staff.

[*mzkandi*]

Self nominating....hmmm.. See I thought this was about Mod nominations. I think mods knows who best to work with and what not. If any nominations should take place then it should be by us. We will know whether a member is qualifed or not without a member telling us, dont you think? Make sense? I think so. Of course we did have a community input thread in the lounge to influence on who we should nominate, but yeah half the members didnt even use that thread correctly.

Or course like you said, so members may even shy away from that.

[*incoherent*]

well, i think application should be:

i wish to be considered for nomination to people staff.

AHHHHHHHHHH thats what i was saying but sammi didnt get it.

wait nvm...because i dont nominations. once again, they are just like endorsements which is one of the first things we got rid of.

[sadolakced acid]

well, i think people should be able to request that mods review them for nomination.

keep same system as we used.

add in a thread where you can request mods individual choose whether they wish to nominate you or not.

like, if we had nominations, then each mod would go and nominate the people they thought would do well.

if someone who feels they should be nominated isn't, they should be able to post somewhere

"i wish to be considered for nomination"

at which i'd (along with the toher mods) would consider if we'd forgoten about them, and mayhaps look through some of thier old posts. if i feel they should be nominated, i'd nominate them. if not, i'd either just not, or PM them and say why i decided not to nominate them.

[*mzkandi*]

So, have the qualifed and the not so qualifed nominations seperate....i see, i see











Like Sammi said, I think some of you are missing the true essense of nominations...


In case you forget, let me school you

nomination
A noun
1. nomination
the act of officially naming a candidate.

Not mod reviews, actually naming a candidate. We have 30 plus members on the mod team, if you arent recognized by at least one you aint doing nothing all that special.

[Mulder]

well, i think application should be:

i wish to be considered for nomination to people staff.

yeeeesss


i still support the idea of mods nominating, but members should be able to say that they're interested.

[*mzkandi*]

If thats the case, I support the fact that if you are really are oh so qualifed you wont have to call too much attention to yourself by saying so.

[*not_your_average*]

I agree with Sammi more. I didn't like apps at all. I think we should keep the nominations process. The mods did a great job of nominating people who were qualified, good members. Yes, there were some that I didn't think should have been nominated, but every person had that. Overall, I think we should keep the nominations process as is.

[sadolakced acid]

keep nominations like now, except add a thread where people can post "i'd like to be considered for nomination"

i doubt anyone who has to resort to that to be noticed would be hired, but we can certainly let them try.

[Mulder]

keep nominations like now, except add a thread where people can post "i'd like to be considered for nomination"

i doubt anyone who has to resort to that to be noticed would be hired, but we can certainly let them try.

i dont see whats wrong in just posting that you're interested.

for example:

i'm interested in being people staff or xanga staff.

thats it.

no reasons, like "im really responsible and I know what a mod does and i absolutely HATE spam" and blah blah blah.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I don't see why you need to do that. The way we have it now really weeds out those who deserve to be considered from the ones that don't. It would have wound up the exact same way and the exact same people would have been nominated if there was a thread to say "I want to be nominated" in. There's no reason to implement it.

[Mulder]

I don't see why you need to do that. The way we have it now really weeds out those who deserve to be considered from the ones that don't. It would have wound up the exact same way and the exact same people would have been nominated if there was a thread to say "I want to be nominated" in. There's no reason to implement it.

not "i want to be nominated"

just have the people who are interested. that way mods arent nominating members who dont want to be staff. and they know what the members think they'd be best for. of course, most of it should be left up to the mods.

[sadolakced acid]

^ but if they're nominated they might change their mind.

see, i wouldn't have applied because i thought most mods would be against me becuase of my past actions and my nature. however, when i saw how many people nominated me, i changed my mind and accepted the nomination.

[Mulder]

i dont think they'd change their minds.

maybe there could be a .. rule maybe that if they say they're interested it should mean that if they were nominated and would accept their nominations.


that didnt make any sense.



err..just ignore me.

[iiTsDAYNA]

Pros: New staff members

Cons: Take into consideration, everyone isnt liked by everyone, which means if someone that has greate potential for a place as a staff member isnt liked by everyone they dont have a great chance of being picked.

editt///Perhaps maybe only staff members can nominate for new staff members..

[*Guest*]

that pro is silly. ANY new hiring process would give us new mods.

as for your con, that is why the member input is only part of the process. the mods also have a say. if a member cant stand out enough to be mentioned either by the members OR by the mods, then hey shouldn't be on staff anyway

[*disco infiltrator*]

Pros: New staff members

Cons: Take into consideration, everyone isnt liked by everyone, which means if someone that has greate potential for a place as a staff member isnt liked by everyone they dont have a great chance of being picked.

editt///Perhaps maybe only staff members can nominate for new staff members..

Uh, only staff members can nominate new people..that's how it is.....

I don't know why this is even still up for discussion. The new way was voted in. That's that.

[*Guest*]

so, we shouldnt review things after, to make sure no problems were noticed?

ok then

= )

[*disco infiltrator*]

I do believe there were some incidents in which others complained that things were still trying to be put out of the by-laws even after they were voted in.

But, whatever. Unless someone can think up a better way to do this, that serves the same purpose as this intended to {weeding out those that really shouldn't be there anyway}, then fine by me, but I have yet to see such a thing.