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post Oct 26 2005, 01:32 AM
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please try to at least skim through this lenghty article.

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Oct. 20, 2005 —  Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.
Known as "Prussian Blue" — a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes — the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine.

"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."

Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.

On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree.

"Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children."

Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke — the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist — uses the twins to draw a crowd.

Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.

"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."

Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out.

But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx.

"We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."

Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist.

One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead."

"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."

Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."

Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous.

"When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful."
Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message.

Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.

The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs — some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased.

After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia.

Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up.

But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest.
 
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post Oct 26 2005, 02:49 PM
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Ridiculous.

Although it's probably more entertaining than Rap.
 
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post Oct 26 2005, 03:00 PM
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Although it's probably more entertaining than Rap.
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I would think not.

I really have no real comment on this, I'm not surprised even its quite sad that they cant think for themselves. Then again, they made a good point, the way we grow up in and the environment we are around does heavily influence our beliefs. Interesing article.
 
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What's even sadder is that there are, apparently, people supporting this sort of music.
 
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See, if I decide to assasinate these people, it won't be racist



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"They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

The interesting thing is that she apparently has no idea what's happening. It's one thing to share an opinion, it's another to force children into an unhealthy, counter-productive mindset.

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Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

Is what way was he a man of peace??! That's not even a valid opinion, that's straight bullshit

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"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."

How do you intend to stop being white? Appreciating other people won't make your skin tone change- not that that should matter anyway

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Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.

There are notorious hate music labels? Let's go steal their money and give it to Chapter 11, because they obviously need to spend more time in book stores

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"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."

Strong racial identity? Telling them to be as ignorant as possible is not a strong identity, it's essentially brainwashing them from birth

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"To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."

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"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."

how the hell is that a good comparison??? At all? It's not good in any aspect. Plus, have they not noticed that gangster rap is not exactly a "white" thing? Hypocrites!!!!!

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Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."

Was it not just pointed out that it's a good form of propogandea, and then compared to ganster rap?

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Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.

Oh yes, Bush is the racist one.
 
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post Oct 26 2005, 04:24 PM
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I heard about them in BUST. I guess you could sompare it to some gangsta rap but honestly-- none of the music is worth anything.

Ironically if we tried to stop them wouldn't we be like, music nazis? UGh. I can't stand idiots like that.
 
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Thats horrible, but if you think about it, it will never last, or get popular.

Ever.
 
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post Oct 26 2005, 05:08 PM
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Wow. I don't really have much to say, I read a lot of ridiculous stuff. Usually when 12 or 13 year olds come out to the music scene, they're not listened to because people think that a 12 or 13 year old may not have much important messages to give us. Well.. im speechless. ermm.gif
 
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Yeah, I heard/read that somewhere. But I think that's really sad and horrible.
 
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I saw this on TV a few days of go. When I saw it, I was just.. speechless.
 
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Yeah. I saw this the other night on ABC. But personally, I don't think it's the girls' fault. I think if they were exposed to other view points when they were younger, they wouldn't be grown up like this... but, hey ... there's all kinds of people in the world.
 
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Heh. Nothing a bullet can't handle.

But back to non-violence: Sure, they have the freedom of speech but... seriously.


Stupid people need to die.
 
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haha i find it pathetic yet funny that people are STILL racist. it's the freakin 20th century, please stop acting like it's the 1950s. i always knew that unintelligent people like this still existed, but it makes me chuckle to hear stories about them. rolleyes.gif
 
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A desperate outcry for attention, I mean why not. I have better things to do than worry about things such as these, I'm not going to lose any sleep over a racist person. As A matter of fact I'm honored that I'm always on your mind because you're not on mine. happy.gif
 
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This makes me very sad, disappointed, and angered.
Edit:// I went to go look for other links on this, and I found their website. It's amazing how people won't accept change. I even found nazi-supporting websites. How sad.
 
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post Oct 26 2005, 11:57 PM
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I think we should not just be addressing the singers, but the fact that they have so many supporters.
 
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post Oct 26 2005, 11:58 PM
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Tweaks: They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships. I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman... latina sure, maybe asian... But yeah, things like that.

I see many hate crimes spawning from this.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 26 2005, 11:58 PM)
Tweaks:  They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships.  I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman...  latina sure, maybe asian...  But yeah, things like that.

I see many hate crimes spawning from this.
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Too bad that was just a raicst commment you just said.

Also, it isn't better then rap. Unless you like the kind of shittty Nazi pop bullshit that they sing.
 
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It's not racist, it's personal preference. I don't treat them any differently, I just wouldn't date someone of that particular race. It would be on the same plain as someone who doesn't like to date left handed people, or overweight people.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 01:10 AM
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I don't see how your personal prefrence on women you would date would:
1. show that you were racist
2. have anything to do with these two girls spreading hate
 
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It ceases to amaze me how narrowminded people can be.
 
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I'm disgusted
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 11:38 AM
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Thats horrible, but if you think about it, it will never last, or get popular.

Ever.


the ideas will. racial hatred has lasted since time immemorial. this is jus tthe latest generation of indoctrination

this is really interesting... this family was actually the subject of a documentary about racism in america shown in england earlier this year... i think most of the footage was filmed when the girls were 10/11 if my memory serves me right

at that age, the girls were already playing video games such as 'ethnic cleansing', a game in which the objec tis to shoot as many members of ethnic minorities as possible. it is repulsive to see th elevel to which the mother has pushed these girls... its weird, because when watching the documentary, they are actually REALLY sweet. the guy doing to it was just sort of talkign to them about normal stuff, like clothes and stuff, but then he suddenly got onto racial issues, and they just started spewing this crap... it was ridiculous

*sigh*

i loathe people
 
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Tweaks:  They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships.  I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman...  latina sure, maybe asian...  But yeah, things like that.

I see many hate crimes spawning from this.
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Do you think a black woman would want to be with you?

Besides, why in the world did you say that? It's got nothing to do with the topic. I wish i wasn't quarter white because of people like you.

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Ridiculous.

Although it's probably more entertaining than Rap.


Now i see why you wouldn't date a black woman. Like it or not, you are a racist.
 
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QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 27 2005, 1:03 AM)
It's not racist, it's personal preference.  I don't treat them any differently, I just wouldn't date someone of that particular race.  It would be on the same plain as someone who doesn't like to date left handed people, or overweight people.
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Who doesn't like to date left handed people?
 
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Wtf. O_O Left handed people? that's ridiculous.
 
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You're confusing racism and preference. I don't have a problem with minorities or anyone who isn't white, I won't treat them any differently. I'm just saying I would date those of my same race more likely than I would those of others. And yes, not dating left handed people is a ridiculous example, but it's the same thing. There's nothing wrong with that person and you wouldn't treat them any differently, you're just not looking for a left-handed companion in your life.

Now quick looking for things to tear me apart with just because you don't like me. _dry.gif
 
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Well, I think they overreacted in response to that comment too, actualy, but yeah.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 02:41 PM
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have i mentioned i really dont like evanbunnel? i havent actually seen him post anything pleasant
 
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I really don't care if you like me. What I do care about is why you don't like me. What have I posted that's pleasant/impleasant?
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 02:47 PM
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well, mainly im talking about the way you acted like a five yearold in that topic you created in fedback.

this just sort of reminded me that you exist.
 
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QUOTE(xcaitlinx @ Oct 26 2005, 6:07 PM)
haha i find it pathetic yet funny that people are STILL racist. it's the freakin 20th century, please stop acting like it's the 1950s. i always knew that unintelligent people like this still existed, but it makes me chuckle to hear stories about them. rolleyes.gif
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it's the 21st century mind you...

owell racist people. they can't just learn how to appreciate other cultures.

I think a lot of other cultures are admirable although **not a racist comment** the truth is, some people are becoming prejudiced just because a person on tv gives a bad example and now everyone thinks that the person of the same culture does that. I won't say "I wish those girls would die because of their f***ing stupidity" but I will say that I hope they learn how to get off a "one-sided" point of view and learn how to love diversity

btw

evanbunnell ignore racoons>you... He doesn't seem to be a person who enjoy a little bit of youthful immaturity
 
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I posted a petition for people to sign, not come in and call me "n00b" because they disagreed. It pissed me off that everyone came in and said, "No, it's not happening and we don't care to listen because you're new and don't have any say... blah blah blah, we're better than you." I tried to handle it calmly in the beginning, but when all you get is harsh negativity, then what are you supposed to do?

What was "5 year old" was the "This is OUR community, stfu noob." attitude of all the people who replied.
 
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James, as glad as I am that it's not me you're arguing with, don't provoke things.
 
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realize that it was a ridiculous idea?

plus, early on in the thread you were provided with a link that should have dealt with all your queries

furthermore, you offended me and others righ toff the bat with the title alone, let alone the content
 
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QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 27 2005, 2:50 PM)
I posted a petition for people to sign, not come in and call me "n00b" because they disagreed.  It pissed me off that everyone came in and said, "No, it's not happening and we don't care to listen because you're new and don't have any say... blah blah blah, we're better than you."  I tried to handle it calmly in the beginning, but when all you get is harsh negativity, then what are you supposed to do?
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yeah when i was a noob everyone was mean... now people that say that are hypocrites especially if they say they hate racism and prejudice. cuz in a way, they're judging you by your status _dry.gif
some people shouldn't take things THAT seriously

and i agree about what you said about that dating a person of the same race or something. well i actually like hungarian/greek boys or sometimes caucasian but it's not that i hate black or asians (besides, i'm asian), it's just i don't find myself physically attracted to them...don't get me wrong i'm not racist, i am actually best friends with a lot of black people.
 
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i think its dumb.
 
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No, I still don't think it's a ridiculous idea, but as "open-minded" as everyone is, there was little to no discussion, merely argument.

I'd looked at that link before, said that in the thread, nobody cared, invalid comment.

Well, I'm sorry that you were offended by the title of the thread. It was not meant to be offensive, merely to declare my views in a humorous fashion. Realize that humor will offend some people while others find it funny. I certainly hope you're "open-minded" and "mature" enough to fathom such a thing.

Now... can we drop this charade and get back to the topic at hand?

EDIT: Hahaha, o0olaalaa. I agree.

V EDIT2: How open-minded of you! At least hate me for a good reason, not because I have differing tastes than you.
 
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well, yes. some wil find it funny. that much is obvious. however, i find it offensive. which is why I dislike you. which was your question.

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basically, i want racoons>you to shut up... he's been mean to everyone and even me when I was a newbie...

you know what i find sad? that a record studio actually agreed to help the twins get a music career
 
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I had wanted to see this report on TV, but I missed it. It's disgusting in my opinion. But hell, nobody would care if they happened to be murdered... or at least, I won't 9_9 White supremacy- or racism in general should be left behind with the 20th century, and we should move on to the 21st!
 
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I've told you to stop and drop it already. This is your verbal warning.
 
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presumably, it was a white supremesist label.

and im not mean to everyone. i think you'll find you were the one who type-screamed obscenities at me in the boys' locker room.

seriously. you came close to toppling my emotional wall

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I don't think you're mean to everyone o.O
Also do you know WHICH label it was?
 
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I was only mean to you (racoons) because you said something that really hurt my feelings, but I'll drop it and say you're a really nice person for I had a verbal warning...

those girls should mature into an understanding term
 
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WTF , cant the goverment or someone shut them down. Last thing we need are little kids basically shouting out white power , ugh , this is disgusting.
 
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Unfortunately, ignorance is a human feature we all have, from racism to pessimism, we have it...unfortunately...
 
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Wow. I dont even know what to say to that article.

Kinda speechless ... I feel sorry for those girls though. Their mom has done exactly what she could have by law, and taught her girls ignorance towards the splendors of multi-cultural things
 
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QUOTE(EmmalieV @ Oct 27 2005, 4:49 PM)
WTF , cant the goverment or someone shut them down. Last thing we need are  little kids basically shouting out white power , ugh , this is disgusting.
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Well, as much as you disagree with their opinion, they're still entitled to it. The government would be imposing upon their First Amendment rights. Hopefully once the girls get old enough to realize what they're doing is insane, they'll change.
 
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QUOTE(Retrogressive @ Oct 26 2005, 5:24 PM)
I heard about them in BUST. I guess you could sompare it to some gangsta rap but honestly-- none of the music is worth anything.

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i saw this on 20/20, so i know alot about this little situation also. how can you even say rap along any mainstream genre of music right now can even compare with someone praising hitler and spreading hate? just because you dont like rap, doesnt mean you have to be ignorant and say the stupidest things. god.
 
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but you said "it could be compared to gangsta rap" wtf?

and evan bunnell this is all i have to say to you stubborn.gif
 
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Not all gansta rap, I'm sorry let me restate that. Could be compared to some American racist music. I guess the only racist comments I've heard in music is in some rap. Racist to whites and blacks. I guess I should have said that instead.

//edit not only whites and blacks I guess there is music that has racist statements to make about all races. I believe that all that music is horrible vile creations.
 
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its better than what you've heard before..... but if you say its the only racism you've heard in music before , i cant argue with that, even though there is a whole underground of racist hitler praising music that is trying to produce these girls, i cant argue with the only things you have heard. but saying it can be compared to rap is..... stretching it, and im not even a big crazy fan of gangsta rap, but i know that statement was untrue

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I see many hate crimes spawning from this


dude, your racist and dont even know it
you say "i could never date a black woman, as if they are all the same
and it sounds like you agree with what the girls are doing.

im ashamed to share the same name as you stubborn.gif
 
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 27 2005, 8:22 PM)
you say "i could never date a black woman, as if they are all the same
and it sounds like you agree with what the girls are doing.
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He's not being racist. Like he said before, it's a preference. You're being racist by being over-defensive of the races he mentioned as if they needed re-inforcement. Stop acting like you know everything.

And about the article.. why should we make such a big deal about this? They're just a couple of controversial, ignorant girls. There will always be racism which is looked upon negatively, so I doubt they'll have any real influence on society. They'll probably end up being shot if they continue being so openly racist.
 
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QUOTE(Paradox of Life @ Oct 27 2005, 10:37 PM)
He's not being racist. Like he said before, it's a preference. You're being racist by being over-defensive of the races he mentioned as if they needed re-inforcement. Stop acting like you know everything.
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im being racist by acting like these races need re-enforcement? do you even have a clue of what race i actually am? stop actinglike i know everything lol how so? explain to me. and im not the only one to call him racist by the way.
 
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 27 2005, 8:43 PM)
im being racist by acting like these races need re-enforcement? do you even have a clue of what race i actually am? stop actinglike i know everything lol how so? explain to me. and im not the only one to call him racist by the way.
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Um, I don't care what race you are. Nor do I care if you're the only one calling him racist. I'm not directing this only to you. And by re-enforcing those races, you're subconsciously saying that they're inferior and they need it. The dude just feels more comfortable dating someone of the same race. That's not racism.
 
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lol are you kidding me? that was my race he was talking about , im not trying to speak for anyone since IM offended. now you know how stupid your statement sounded to me.

basically saying he would date any other race except for blacks kinda erked me a bit. thats the only reason people had a problem with it.
 
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lol are you kidding me? that was my race he was talking about , im not trying to speak for anyone since IM offended. now you know how stupid your statement sounded to me.

basically saying he would date any other race except for blacks kinda erked me a bit. thats the only reason people had a problem with it.
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Then so be it. It's not his fault if he doesn't feel comfortable dating a black, so there's no reason to try to convince him otherwise or accuse him of being racist.
 
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thats not the only thing that made his comments seem biggoted by the way. the black girl thing didnt spark that issue, it only made it burn brighter.

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and thats being biggoted right there wink.gif

and you said "its not his fault" really? then whos fault is it?
the blacks?
 
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All the fun arguing I miss when I'm away to work.

No, I'm not racist. I'd tell you my best friend in High School was black, but that would be too cliché of an argument. I've stated before and I'll say it again. I don't see myself dating a black woman. It just doesn't appeal to me. I also don't eat broccoli... am I racist towards broccoli now?

A small scenario I cooked up in my 1:00 am madness:
Being human I hold certain things higher in value than others. I'm physically attracted to women/girls (I'm only 18 so I can date within both realms. One of many perks of this particular age.) with small-medium size breasts, nice legs, decent sized buttocks, full lips, pretty face, etc. I don't mind a little bit of weight. I also don't mind the medium-lighter tone skins, but that's not saying there isn't such a thing as too dark. (Please attack this comment. I mentioned something about skin color. </sarcasm>) Mentally and emotionally, she has to be fun, be funny, laugh a lot, be touchy-feely, etc. (All things which black girls are capable of doing, right?) If a white girl who was drop-dead gorgeous with blonde hair and blue eyes was standing next to her black look-alike --Only with darker hair, because blonde would be creepy-- I'm more apt to talk to the white girl first. What I don't know by looking at her is that she's a bitch and the black girl is a complete sweet-heart. Talking to the two further, I choose to be with the black girl because she is more of what I'm looking for. (As in less of what I'm not looking for. Having a great personality out-weighs being black. *gasp*) Basically, I'm not saying I absolutely, flat-out will not date a black girl. I'm saying that given the choice between the same personality but of different ethnic background, I'd choose the caucasian.

That being said, I certainly don't treat black people any differently than I do white, asian, or latino people. Example. I work at RadioShack. White guy walks in. "Hi, welcome to RadioShack. Anything I can help you with?" Black guy walks in. "Hi, welcome to RadioShack. Anything I can help you with?" And I say that with the same tone and same excitedness. I don't say to the black guy when he walks in, "Hi, please don't steal anything." THAT would be a racist stereotype, which I frown upon. Although, the majority of black comedians and musicians don't mind using the word "nigger" in their dialogue, yet still seem offended by it when it comes from someone else's mouth.

To conclude, I'm not racist because I have differing tastes than your own, I'm different. The joys of the world, I'm afraid.

P.S. I'm still proud of my name, Evan, and haven't resorted to slander... yet.
 
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it reminds me of that movie, american history x
if you know that movie, than nuff said
 
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QUOTE(racoons > you @ Oct 28 2005, 6:47 AM)
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tongue.gif You be quiet. laugh.gif
 
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I don't like "evan bunnell", if you should come to belgium, i'll kick your butt. Anyways, you're not a racist, i was just pissed off. All i'm saying is that what you said about you not dating black women WASN'T necessary.
 
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QUOTE(Weird addiction @ Oct 28 2005, 11:47 AM)
I don't like "evan bunnell", if you should come to belgium, i'll kick your butt. Anyways, you're not a racist, i was just pissed off. All i'm saying is that what you said about you not dating black women WASN'T necessary.
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Quit being so ignorant. You're no more tolerant than those girls. Face it, there are things about people that you just don't find attractive, I can't help it if I don't find black women that attractive. There are white men that think that black girls are the only attractive girls.

Whether or not it was necessary is irrelevant. It was on topic and pertained to the post and quote that I had selected, so it was more necessary than not.

So shut up, and quit bringing this back up. A verbal warning has been issued already, I don't think they'll care too much about hitting the ban button.
 
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Hmm, talk about member bashing. Remember the stupid topic you made in the feedback subforum?...i think you do.

Besides, whatever. I'm not that proud of my white roots, so yeah.
 
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Hmm, talk about member bashing. Remember the stupid topic you made in the feedback subforum?...i think you do.

Besides, whatever. I'm not that proud of my white roots, so yeah.
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Sorry, but I love this picture. biggrin.gif
 
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I love it too!!! You should do what it says.

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You know what, either there is e-arguing going in here or spam. Julia has already given the verbal warning but anyone wants to continue on with it, go right ahead, but dont get mad when your warning level is raised. _smile.gif

I would close this but I dont want to ruin it for others who actually have something to say on this topic......
 
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http://mfile.akamai.com/16688/wmv/abcondem...l_hatemusic.wmv

i was watching this and it made me sick hearing some of this stuff coming out from these kids.
 
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There's already a thread about this.
I think we are giving these girls too much attention!

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...96&hl=spreading
 
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i heard something about this past week... sounds crazy but what are you gonna do..

we aren't all perfect... we just got to accept them for who they are..

"whites vs everybody else"

lol... i live in texas and white's are a minority here now i think... lmao.
 
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wtf. im disgusted.
 
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I just want to ask any racist, why are other races below yours?

These people give Germans a bad name...
 
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This is the whole 60 min. episode about them


http://mfile.akamai.com/16688/wmv/abcondem...l_hatemusic.wmv
 
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That was........effed up. If there had been like aprotest against like Naiz's I would so toally have been there, no question, and if they think that if there was a fight, hell the blacks hispanics, JEWS (WHy are people always saying Jew like they're a whole new race when it's a religon, you on't go around calling catholics like that!) Chinese, Japanese, we'd win, we'd basically wipe the white population out, no offense to white people there, I'm half my dad's full.
 
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^It is not a "new" race. Some people just think that a Jewish person can define their race/background as Jewish. If you look at some of the thigns for college information, Judaism is an option along with African and Asian.

Ps, the whole white population isn't Nazis.
 
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My US History actually taped it and showed it to us in class. Very Bad.

Also to Note: They CANT SING FOR SHIT
 
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apart from anything else, they dont have the best singing voices in the world.

also, ew.
 
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QUOTE(Rachel is love @ Oct 30 2005, 3:13 PM)
^It is not a "new" race. Some people just think that a Jewish person can define their race/background as Jewish. If you look at some of the thigns for college information, Judaism is an option along with African and Asian.

Ps, the whole white population isn't Nazis.
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i just realized what I said may haveb een cofusing, but I'm saying that the whites basically fear the other races, unlike you I hate hate my white heritage and I can't blame you for the past you had no control in the past, but the hispanics have a right to be against things like this because they tried to kill every hispanic person in the United States when my mother was three.

Sad isn't it that the race Hitler tried to create was blonde hair blue eyes and if you ask so many guys they like this type of girls? It's even today molded into our society it's around us even without the girls lik them.

Horrid singers. >_<
 
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There's another thread about this with the ABC news Clip. I saw it and I was in shock. This is just so crazy! I don't really blame the girls though since it was so obvious they were brainwashed by their family. Extreme shame on their family for teaching them such horrible, backwards thinking! If I ever met them in person, I would give them a piece of my mind!
I just can't believe that there are so many racist people in the world still. I mean, c'mon, we're in the year 2005! If a certain race wasn't meant to be put on this planet, then it wouldn't be here! Everything and everyone is here on this Earth because they are suppose to be! Everyone is equal, and no race is greater than another. What gives a certain race the right to say they're better than all the others?
I'm white, but I don't think I'm better than anyone else. My close friends are Asian, Indian and Black. (I love you guys! Janice, Tanzima and Monica!) Seriously though, everyone is equal...

This negativity makes me sick... mad.gif
 
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QUOTE(ikayto @ Oct 29 2005, 11:21 PM)
http://mfile.akamai.com/16688/wmv/abcondem...l_hatemusic.wmv

i was watching this and it made me sick hearing some of this stuff coming out from these kids.
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those whores make me sick

quote from one of the girls:
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I hardly believe there were that much many Jews back then


*cough cough* more than 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust...*cough* *cough*

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I don't think their mom informed them all the violence and death and gore racism caused

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they can't even sing well
 
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QUOTE(andromeda_90 @ Oct 30 2005, 2:55 PM)
more than 70,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust...
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More like 6 million.

QUOTE(Latina Babii @ Oct 30 2005, 2:45 PM)
i just realized what I said may haveb een cofusing, but I'm saying that the whites basically fear the other races, unlike you I hate hate my white heritage and I can't blame you for the past you had no control in the past, but the hispanics have a right to be against things like this because they tried to kill every hispanic person in the United States when my mother was three.

Sad isn't it that the race Hitler tried to create was blonde hair blue eyes and if you ask so many guys they like this type of girls? It's even today molded into our society it's around us even without the girls lik them.

Horrid singers. >_<
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You are confusing again.
A. I never said I was "proud to be white".
B. You're right, I can't control the past, neither can you!
C. Who tried to kill every hispanic person in the U.S.?
D. Everyone has a right to be pissed when someone tries to wipe out their race. Jews with Hitler, Blacks with slavery, Asains during WW2, hispanics with....
E. Hello random thing with Hitler. I have no idea where you are going with your reply.

Son of a biiitch, I forgot to edit my other post...Oh well.


merged _smile.gif (tweeak)
 
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QUOTE(Rachel is love @ Oct 30 2005, 4:35 PM)
More like 6 million.
You are confusing again.
A. I never said I was "proud to be white".
B. You're right, I can't control the past, neither can you!
C. Who tried to kill every hispanic person in the U.S.?
D. Everyone has a right to be pissed when someone tries to wipe out their race. Jews with Hitler, Blacks with slavery, Asains during WW2, hispanics with....
E. Hello random thing with Hitler. I have no idea where you are going with your reply.

Son of a biiitch, I forgot to edit my other post...Oh well.
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It's very upsetting...how they're so young. I blame the parents. There's a difference between sharing your opinions and forcing them on to impressionable children.
 
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Meh I never said you were proud I was assuming you don't hate your own race. ermm.gif I never said I could control the past and yes they did try to kill very hispanic person in the United States no wait they sterliezed them. They tried to stop so many pregnancies. I'm searching it up on the internet. Seriouslt i need to learn to get the facts straight.....Okay here's the story: Hispanics and blacks were aimed mostly for crimes as in one whose husband was smoking marjiuana, she was given either a term in prision or sterilization. Meaning most of the sterliziation was aimed at the hispanics and blacks. WHo would choose prison?

THe thing with Hitler wasn't random. People always say they hate Hitler but what people consider beautiful is blue eyes and blonde hair. In Hitler's time that would be perfect for the Aryan race.
 
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This is the whole 60 min. episode about them
http://mfile.akamai.com/16688/wmv/abcondem...l_hatemusic.wmv
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How sad.
 
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This is the whole 60 min. episode about them
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the video clip was just sad
 
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we read an article about that type of music in class. it's crazy... the label earned at least $1 million a year. i cant believe so many ppl would support it.
the label was even handing out cds to kids...
 
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This is the whole 60 min. episode about them
http://mfile.akamai.com/16688/wmv/abcondem...l_hatemusic.wmv
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whenever i watch that i wish that the reporter would just own them on every racist thing they believe. for example the "i dont think there was that many jews back then" thing...... dumb ass little whore _dry.gif im disgusted with their mom even more
 
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 31 2005, 9:20 PM)
whenever i watch that i wish that the reporter would just own them on every racist thing they believe. for example the "i dont think there was that many jews back then" thing...... dumb ass little whore _dry.gif im disgusted with their mom even more
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I know, and that idiot passing out flyers. I wish someone would just beat the holy shit out of him.
 
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