ppd Options

[*mzkandi*]

We started a dicussion about this in the hiring dicussion thread but make things more organized I decided to make a seperate thread. So what is everyones take on it?

I say 5ppd is fine, however, some people applying for design positions may not have that. Alot of people that applying for design postion mainly only post in the design forums and sometimes there is not a lot of activity there which may cause their ppd day to go down.

Now as far as for the People Staff, I think 5 ppd shows that your are active enough. If its something offical members have to keep up with then the staff should as well. Especially if the no post requirement is passed, we need something shows that our staff is being dedicated and active.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I think staff's should be higher. Being a mod is a step up from an Official Member. You should have to do more to recieve more, no?

[*xcaitlinx*]

I think staff's should be higher. Being a mod is a step up from an Official Member. You should have to do more to recieve more, no?

i agree. 7-10 ppd is a good number IMO.

[*not_your_average*]

Yeah, I agree with Sammi. This is a setup I propose:
-Official Members must have at least 5 ppd.
-People Staff, Admin and Head Staff must have at least 7 ppd.

I'm actually unsure about Design staff and how many ppd they have currently, and what you guys think they should have.

[SillyCourtney]

I agree that the staff and admin posititons should have a higher ppd requirement, but as for Design Staff I don't know. Maybe lower the ppd requirement just a little then? Or, maybe focus on the other requirements a little more and not put so much emphasis on the ppd requirement.

[KissMe2408]

I think staff's should be higher. Being a mod is a step up from an Official Member. You should have to do more to recieve more, no?

^ I agree, a staff position is a stepup. I think their ppd count should be higher

[Spirited Away]

I think increasing ppd for people staff is a safe idea. It may help inactivity problems in the long run. However, I also think it may deter good candidates from applying for staff. In my opinion, you can still be an exceptional candidate with just 5 ppd.

[*not_your_average*]

Well, Fae, I think before someone wants to become staff, they can keep their ppd at 5. When they become staff, they're expected to step it up a notch. Say you're an official member with 5 ppd and you get picked for staff. It's a bit ridiculous to expect them to get their ppd up to 7 in one day. However, in a couple of weeks, you should have your ppd up at least 7.

[Spirited Away]

Hmm, for someone like me, upping from 5 ppd to 7 in two weeks time isn't possible. Even if I was as active as I used to be, the fact that I've been here since Jan 04 really put a hamper on getting my ppd average up and I think it wouldn't any easier for someone who has been here since Jan 05. The only way I would agree to this law is if there is a 'honeymoon' period of at least a month. I know the majority of mods usually have a ppd average of more than 5 before they're hired anyway, but this is just a worry for those who are exceptionally qualified.



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*poke poke* Hey there! Radhika right? (slow ) I haven't seen you since... cB News days.

[*not_your_average*]

Yeah, it's me. Hey again, Fae.
Well, I wasn't giving an exact time frame, just an example. My point was that if we approve the new ppd by-law, we should give new mods time to get their ppd up to 7, and not just expect them to get it up to 7 automatically. :/

[racoons > you]

i think people staff should be upped to 7.5 (1.5 times the requirement for official members), but that it should remain the same for design staff

i still think it is important that design staff have ppd requirements, as even if they arent necessarily posting as much in the community forums (wait, do design section posts increase your post count?) and so may not have as high a post count, they still need to show activeness... indeed, as there are generally fewer of them, its even more important that those we have are active

[*disco infiltrator*]

^ It depends on the forum.

Fae, for all requirements, there is the exception for those who are really qualified to still be in staff. Jordan (jordanriane) didn't have the right amount of posts, but she was qualified enough without them, so she was hired. Just as if someone with a 5 ppd could still be hired if they're really qualified.

It's really not that hard to make 7 posts a day anyway..

[Heathasm]

7ppd is ok for people and head, seeing as most of the people staff have above that, but i wouldnt put that on design-and like sammi said, if they are qualified enough they can still be hired

[racoons > you]

but they do need some sort of ppd limit, to show activenss, surely. maybe 5 for design, 7 for people

[*mzkandi*]

I say we keep the 5ppd for design but if someone is expectionally qualifed then they can still have a chance to hired if it is lower, but I do mean expectional qualified. However, I dont think we should be that lenient on the People, Head, and Admins ppd requirement.

[racoons > you]

^

agreed

[*not_your_average*]

So this is the breakdown:

-Official Members will keep a 5 ppd.
-People/Head Staff & Admin must have 7 ppd.
-Design Staff must keep a 5 ppd unless they are exceptionally qualified.

[*incoherent*]

i like the 7 ppd idea. im kinda in between on the design staff side though. i think i need more convincing.

[*mzkandi*]

Moorepocket was hired with a lower post per day than was required and he was extectionally qualifed and hired, so there is the possiblity there could be more applicants like him as far people applying for design postions are concerned.

[*disco infiltrator*]

What do you need to be convinced on? They have to keep 5 now. And it's not that hard.

Why do people keep saying how hard 5 ppd is? 5 posts a day? That's nothing..

[racoons > you]

-Official Members will keep a 5 ppd.
-People/Head Staff & Admin must have 7 ppd.
-Design Staff must keep a 5 ppd unless they are exceptionally qualified.

shall we vote on this format?

all in favour of this, say aye. all opposed, say nay

aye

[Retrogressive]

I post a lot and am finding it hard to get to 5 again. I just don't want to spam. I mean CB is big but not HUGE enough to post a lot and have it not appear as spam. But that's probably just me thinking that.

[racoons > you]

try branching out into forums/subforums you dont visit that often

[*mzkandi*]

^2 We are voting right now hunnie so please restain from making comments during this time. There is a seperate topics about the ppd requirement.

aye.

[*disco infiltrator*]

IT IS NOT HARD TO MAKE 5 POSTS A DAY. Seriously.

If you registered and didn't post for 5 months, that's not anyone's fault but yours. Just post 5 posts for the amount of days you were gone and Voila! 5 ppd.

Aye.

[racoons > you]

^

indeed. or if worse comes to worse, create a new account

[*incoherent*]

What do you need to be convinced on? They have to keep 5 now. And it's not that hard.

sorry. wasnt thinking. i thought theirs would be upped too. my bad.

AYE

[Spirited Away]

*shrugs* aye.

[demolished]

2 aye plus negative 1 aye equal to ________ ,obviously.

[*disco infiltrator*]

^ What?..

[*incoherent*]

2 aye plus negative 1 aye equal to ________ ,obviously.

so in other words, thats an aye?

[evanbunnell]

Doing your job does not imply posting more. Mods can do their jobs within forums without posting a single time. They should be required to be active, but ppd to prove activity is not a sufficient resolution.

[Heathasm]

2 aye plus negative 1 aye equal to ________ ,obviously.

2-1=1 AYE YESSSSS

Doing your job does not imply posting more. Mods can do their jobs within forums without posting a single time. They should be required to be active, but ppd to prove activity is not a sufficient resolution.

only half of the mods jobs can be done without posting. the other half, for people staff, is welcoming and making topics for people to post in(interacting in general)-and the other half, for design, is posting in the help forums. it makes sense for there to be a ppd limit taking that into consideration, and for that limit to be higher for people and lower for design

[racoons > you]

6 ayes, motion passed.

will someone update the approved bylaws for me, my computer wont allow me to edit posts. delightful, no?

and stephen, please just say 'aye' or 'nay'...

[Spirited Away]

Doing your job does not imply posting more.  Mods can do their jobs within forums without posting a single time.  They should be required to be active, but ppd to prove activity is not a sufficient resolution.

But by posting, it shows that you're active around the forums. How else are we to judge inactivity? Plus, as Heather said, when you're a people staff, you're not very much of a "people person" if you don't even try to converse with others.

[demolished]

so in other words, thats an aye?

I dont know. i cant subtract or add. Good try though.

[*incoherent*]

alright...some questions i have about currently stated by-laws.

-People/Head Staff & Admin must have 7 ppd.

does that apply for the current staff because some are below that?

also

-Design Staff must keep a 5 ppd unless they are exceptionally qualified.

does that include myspace, xanga, and all the other blogging type staffs?

[*mzkandi*]

I believe it was stated that as far current staff members that dont have the ppd at 7 there will be a time frame for which they will have an opportunity to. Like, a grace period after the bylaws are offically done

does that include myspace, xanga, and all the other blogging type staffs?

Yes, that covers all design staff positons. Design staff is what we collectively call all of the design positions.

[*incoherent*]

I believe it was stated that as far current staff members that dont have the ppd at 7 there will be a time frame for which they will have an opportunity to. Like, a grace period after the bylaws are offically done

so, they will have a certain amount of time to get it up?

i think there was only like 2 of them.

[*mzkandi*]

so, they will have a certain amount of time to get it up?

Yeah a grace period. But you know what, if a person is applying for a staff position, will thay be required to have the 7ppd or 5pp? Hmmmmmm.....

[*incoherent*]

Yeah a grace period. But you know what, if a person is applying for a staff position, will thay be required to have the 7ppd or 5pp? Hmmmmmm.....

what do you mean?

[*mzkandi*]

what do you mean?

What part of the question do I need to clarify? The grace period or the post per day question?

[*incoherent*]

the post per day question. i get what youre talking about with the grace period and i think thats fair...i just didnt understand your ppd question because wasnt it decided that people staff/heads/admins must have 7 and design postitions have 5?

[*mzkandi*]

^ Yeah but you need to be an offical to apply for a staff position and that only requires 5ppd (even though I dont think we have had an offically vote on that yet). So, my question was do applicants have to 5ppd or 7ppd? Or do they get a grace period as well.

[*incoherent*]

i dont think they should get a grace period.

that is a good point though. im sure if they knew about it, theyd get the 5 for official membership and the 7 to run for staff.

[racoons > you]

i think they need to have the ppd count befor they apply for staff.

the five ppd is fine to access the benefits of official memberdom, but, as sammi (i think) said, moddin gis a step up from that, so only official members with the higher post counts need apply

[*mzkandi*]

^ So we need to put that in the bylaws so they will know that

[racoons > you]

urhm, it struck me as being common sense, but yes, if it may cause confusion, it can go in

[*mzkandi*]

This issue has been discussed and applied to the bylaws so I am going to close this. If there is anything else that any committee feels needs to be addressed on this topic, feel free to reopen.