is human cloning possible? Options

[dahoonpride]

if anyone's interested in debating about this, i'll argue right now that i think it's impossible. this might also lead to arguing about whether creation or evolution is right....but i firmly believe it's impossible.

i also believe that this world could not have evolved itself from nothing. too many contradictions and impossible bridges to cross. especially the flagellum theory. and the fact that what DID the world evolve from then? what was the beginning? how could we have evolved from NOTHING?? neways...my point is since we were created by a God (i'm not saying what kind of god)....that God created all human beings with a sould.

no matter how much science is advanced, man cannot clone or make a new soul.
therefore even if they tried cloning, either the body will be a vegetable, or clearly disfunctional and screwed up in numerous ways. it will never be a normal living thinking loving human being.

[Olive]

Since physical bodies of animals are possible, why not humans? Can you explain your argument in more depth, excluding your religious view, which is not really arguable since that depends whether you believe a soul exists or not, or even God for that matter.

[dahoonpride]

If you believe a soul exists, then the argument is probably clear that man cannot create souls. also, i highly doubt animals have souls. in fact, i firmly believe animals have no souls. cuz they don't go around with religious or atheistic belifes. u don't see them worshipping. and if they did, then we should be seriously quesitoning ourselves when we eat meat. that is why animal cloning is possible cuz they have no souls. it's just organs and nerve tissues they are cloning. not a soul.

if you don't believe in souls...then uh, i don't know how to argue against you...but if you truly don't believe that you don't have a soul, then i feel complete sympathy for you, no offense. if one considers himself nothing but like an animal, they seriously need higher self-esteems cuz they're much more than that. plus what would be the point of your life then? if there's no soul...there's no right and wrong, because there would be no guilt for us to worry about cuz when we die it won't matter. i really don't want to believe that when i die...that's the complete end of me. we exist for a reason, and each have our own unique souls that no scientist can clone

[Olive]

in fact, i firmly believe animals have no souls.

I see your argument is based on another religious morality vs. scientific capabilities issue. There is no fact to claim from and I don't think it matters whether I believe in the existence of a soul or not -it cannot be proven either way.

[toodlepops.]

If they can clone animals, they can sure clone human beings. Atleast, the body of one.
But cloning souls would be rather ridiculous because us being humans, we can't create other souls. Only God can do that. Religiously, I believe in God and I believe that humans can't create humans.

[sadolakced acid]

you realize that they have already clone humans, but because of morality issues they didn't let it devolop from more than a day.

right?

[dahoonpride]

you realize that they have already clone humans, but because of morality issues they didn't let it devolop from more than a day.

right?

i heard they did clone them. i also heard that they turned out to be horrible mutant freaks and to somehow had to dispose of them and hide as much possible from the public. if that's just a stupid rumor (which might be), and they were nice and healthy and (living?), why wouldn't they at least publicize the pictures to show their success. and they wouldn't just dispose of the cloned babies just because of morality issues right after they invested millions of dollars on them. morality issue is probably an excuse for them to not show the freak babies cuz why would they be cloning them in the first place and working on it for years if they had morality problems with it?

and when i said is human cloning possible...i meant living healthy thinking loving humans....not flesh and bones

[*xcaitlinx*]

we've been talking about this in biology...

cloning humans isn't bioethical, therefore they aren't allowed to do it. i dont think that we should clone humans. i think that it's scary.

if any of you have read The Anthem by Ayn Rand...well i think that our society will turn into the one in that book due to cloning and other insane new recent discoveries.

this also reminds me of the movie The Island...where people would pay millions of dollars to have themselves cloned. Their clones wuold be stored in a preserve, and if the real person had a heart attack or anything like that, they would transplant a specific body part from their clone so that they can live on. Basically, people thought that this would help them become immortal. IMO, it's completely unneccessary and I think that mother nature shouldn't be toyed around with. When you're supposed to die, you die. that's it.

[dahoonpride]

cloning humans isn't bioethical, therefore they aren't allowed to do it. i dont think that we should clone humans. i think that it's scary.

i completely agree. i could give a couple dozen seroius reasons why we shouldn't clone humans, but not to get off track, the issue still remains on whether we can do it in the first place. from the previous argument(s) it basically comes down to whether a human being has a soul or not. cuz i would hope to believe that everyone knows that humans can't create another soul.

[sadolakced acid]

i heard they did clone them. i also heard that they turned out to be horrible mutant freaks  and to somehow had to dispose of them and hide as much possible from the public.  if that's just a stupid rumor (which might be), and they were nice and healthy and (living?), why wouldn't they at least publicize the pictures to show their success.  and they wouldn't just dispose of the cloned babies just because of morality issues right after they invested millions of dollars on them.  morality issue is probably an excuse for them to not show the freak babies cuz why would they be cloning them in the first place and working on it for years if they had morality problems with it?   

and when i said is human cloning possible...i meant living healthy thinking loving humans....not flesh and bones

at this time the sucess ratefor a normalhuman clone is probably1 in 10,000. since only afew have been created, and they aren't let to develop past afew cells, i don't know how you're asserting that.


and i don't think you understand the moral issues of science.

it was a devout christian who invented embryonic stem cell methods because aborted babies are the source of adult stem cells, which he found immoral

it was a christian based company that first got stem cells toremain undifferentiated without any nonhuman tissue.

try to understand the world of science before you question it.

[dahoonpride]

you were talking about cloned embryonic stem cells? of course i know they were cloned. it was a korean who did it in the first place. well that's a totally different issue. cuz then the question is whether an embryonic stem cell is considered human or not.

though there's no real aboslute proof and i have no absolute conviction which side is right....i tend to think a little more on the side that ESC cells don't have life yet. cuz they lack a central nervous sytem, which means they can't feel. and if you can't feel....i don't think that's really life yet. but of course i'm not absolutely sure, and i still go back and forth....just an opinion.

[sadolakced acid]

right.

then why do some christians call the'plan b' drug an abortion drug?

[technicolour]

right.

then why do some christians call the'plan b' drug an abortion drug?

they make me mad. So they have sex? Big deal. They just dont want to have a kid. My gosh.

[*tweeak*]

Refresh me, what is the 'plan b' ? Like the morning after?

[dahoonpride]

sorry i don't live in the states so i don't know all about abortion and plan b drugs and stuff like that. i only studied about embryonic stem cells for my school debates.

if you're still interested in this topic....do u think that scientists should be aloud to clone humans? (if it was currently possible)

[technicolour]

Things do not always go as planned. You might have forgotten to take your pill, or another birth control method you used might have failed, like your condom broke. Now you have a second chance to prevent pregnancy with Plan B®.

It's just birth control you take after sex.

[*tweeak*]

Oh, ok, that's what I was thinking. I'd never heard the morning after thing referred to as Plan B. I don't think even my anti-abortion family would consider that an abortion drug

[technicolour]

It even says on the damn website that it is NOT the abortion pill. Yet some people let their minds wander and make up stuff.

..my parents would just consider it normal birth control as well.

[*mipadi*]

Oh, ok, that's what I was thinking. I'd never heard the morning after thing referred to as Plan B. I don't think even my anti-abortion family would consider that an abortion drug

There are, unfortunately, a number of anti-abortionists who do consider the morning-after pill to be a form of abortion.

[technicolour]

^ How is it though? It doesn't even have the abortion drug in it..

[*mipadi*]

^ How is it though? It doesn't even have the abortion drug in it..

They consider the moment of fertilization as the beginning of life.

[technicolour]

-sigh-


...and how they're supposed to know if they're fertilized before they take the pill?

[hall0w]

probably it is

[*mipadi*]

-sigh-
...and how they're supposed to know if they're fertilized before they take the pill?

I suppose an anti-abortion activist would say that one should assume fertilization has occurred until one knows otherwise.

[*tweeak*]

That's ridiculous. That's even more ridiculous then on Fever Pitch where the girl was a week and a half late and assumed she was pregnant, then was sad when she got it. That's an absurd kind of comclusion to jump to. You can't assume you've killed something before it's even alive