China...Taiwan... Options

[blogdeleted]

well as u c Taiwan is a part of China. but ppl around dont get that...*sigh* what do u think?

[misoshiru]

1) please don't type like that
2) i think this would be more of a topic in debate.

and no, i don't think that taiwan is a part of china. although, i am from hong kong, and technically "chinese" i still don't see taiwan as being part of china. taiwan hasn't been a part of china for almost 100 years, and before then, china hasn't cared about taiwan before. it's only because china wants to gain more power that they want to take over taiwan, and the fact that taiwan's economy isn't bad makes china hungry for more economic power.

[*mipadi*]

taiwan hasn't been a part of china for almost 100 years, and before then, china hasn't cared about taiwan before.  it's only because china wants to gain more power that they want to take over taiwan, and the fact that taiwan's economy isn't bad makes china hungry for more economic power.

Taiwan became, arguably, a separate country in the 1940s when the democratic rulers of China fled from the Communist Party. The reason China wants to re-absorb Taiwan is because they don't see it as a legitimate nation--they treat it as a part of China. Taiwan, on the other hand, sees the People's Republic of China as an illegitimate China, and Taiwan is the "real" China.

[blogdeleted]

1) please don't type like that

...i dont get it. what do u mean? sry if im using 'abbreviations' but lol thats juz the way i type...

[Aoiro]

...i dont get it. what do u mean? sry if im using 'abbreviations' but lol thats juz the way i type...

Just don't use abbrieviations, because it's just plain annoying.
Yes, it is your way of typing, but at least try to spell the whole word out.

And I say that Taiwan isn't a part of China.
Tell me your reason why you say Taiwan is.

[*incoherent*]

im not understanding what you are trying to stress. who said anything about taiwan and china?

[*mipadi*]

im not understanding what you are trying to stress. who said anything about taiwan and china?

It is an important issue in world politics.

[*mzkandi*]

Maybe I should move this to debate....meh

Moved to Debate

[*incoherent*]

It is an important issue in world politics.

oh...im not into politics

[*xcaitlinx*]

1) please don't type like that

i don't see anything dramatically wrong with what he typed...i think you're exaggerating.

[*kryogenix*]

i don't see anything dramatically wrong with what he typed...i think you're exaggerating.

It's not proper english. It would be appreciated if "you" was written, rather than "u."

[lilaznbabii93]

we're not talkin about typin rite now but still i like typin diz way it aint ma fault Im use 2 it n besidez u ppl can still understand it u noe

[*mipadi*]

we're not talkin about typin rite now but still i like typin diz way it aint ma fault Im use 2 it n besidez u ppl can still understand it u noe

I know this is way off-topic, but I just have to note that it might be simple if you type a short phrase that way, but if you start to string together a paragraph with no punctuation and things spelled strangely, it becomes nearly impossible to read.

The point can also be made--and I mean this in the nicest way possible--that it makes the writer look a lot less intelligent when she types like that.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I have a hard time understanding it..I don't really know what your first post says. Typing in English without abbreviations and with punctuation would make it much easier to read.

[emazing]

I don't think Taiwan is a part of China, wth did you hear that from?
China is its own seperate country.
Taiwan, too, is its own country.

[*mipadi*]

I don't think Taiwan is a part of China, wth did you hear that from?
China is its own seperate country.
Taiwan, too, is its own country.

Well...it depends on who you ask.

China says Taiwan is part of China.
Taiwan says Taiwan is a separate country; or, more correctly, it says that it is China, and what we call China is a rogue state.
The US essentially treats Taiwan as a separate country, but does not officially recognize it as a sovereign state.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

No, I also do not believe it is a part of China. As Michael said earlier, Taiwan had seceded from China in the 1940's.

[sadolakced acid]

china thinks taiwan is part of china, as does taiwan.

however, china thinks it's the true china, as does taiwan.

taiwan is democratic, china is communist.

in technicality, taiwan is a rogue province of china, operating as an independent state.

there's not much to debate...

[*mipadi*]

there's not much to debate...

Well, since there's not really any agreement as to whether Taiwan is a sovereign nation, a part of China, or the real China, it's political status could potentially be a topic of debate.



I guess.

[sadolakced acid]

there are no facts. it'ss simply a matter of opinion. as to whether taiwan should be an independent country.

as for what it is? it's a rogue province acting as an independent state. does that mean it should be reabsorbed by china? certainly not. The United States were rogue colonies acting as an independent state in the beginning of the revolution.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Taiwan is viewed as an independent nation economically, but it is globally viewed as China's rogue province politically.

I think Taiwan is not independently represented in the United Nations. If it is, well then good for them.

But yeah, China views Taiwan as part of Communist China, yet Taiwan is trying to be politically independent. A very touchy subject, as Taiwan hasn't FORMALLY and OFFICIALLY seceded from China in modern days. Such a PR statement can disrupt the unstable status quo, and we will most likely see a very disconcerting standoff between the two w/ a lot of tension added in. President Bush (I believe) supported Taiwan back in the past.

Here's my view:
With 2008 Beijing Olympics and 2010 Shanghai World Expo coming around, China is inevitably going to be playing a big role diplomatically and economically for the next decade. With these raised diplomatic standards put on China's shoulders by the globe, Taiwan will push the buttons of China the closer we get to the new decade. Is China willing to risk "war" with Taiwan if Taiwan secedes, even though it must be diplomatically revered w/ their Olympics and World Expo?

If Taiwan has the guts to secede, this decade is the time to do it. Do it while the guardsman is wooing a woman. There will be no better time.

And if America gets thrown into the mix, well we then have a recipe for the great China vs. America heavyweight championship match; it will probably be held in the Trump Majal.



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The above will not make sense as I did not proofread or read over it. Please take no notion to my statements as I am just a blumbling tired sleepyhead now. Kthx.

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[rockmyx]

1) please don't type like that
2) i think this would be more of a topic in debate.

and no, i don't think that taiwan is a part of china.  although, i am from hong kong, and technically "chinese"  i still don't see taiwan as being part of china.  taiwan hasn't been a part of china for almost 100 years, and before then, china hasn't cared about taiwan before.  it's only because china wants to gain more power that they want to take over taiwan, and the fact that taiwan's economy isn't bad makes china hungry for more economic power.

wow, very well said

go yanlin

[misoshiru]

I think Taiwan is not independently represented in the United Nations. If it is, well then good for them.

But yeah, China views Taiwan as part of Communist China, yet Taiwan is trying to be politically independent. A very touchy subject, as Taiwan hasn't FORMALLY and OFFICIALLY seceded from China in modern days. Such a PR statement can disrupt the unstable status quo, and we will most likely see a very disconcerting standoff between the two w/ a lot of tension added in. President Bush (I believe) supported Taiwan back in the past.

Here's my view:
With 2008 Beijing Olympics and 2010 Shanghai World Expo coming around, China is inevitably going to be playing a big role diplomatically and economically for the next decade. With these raised diplomatic standards put on China's shoulders by the globe, Taiwan will push the buttons of China the closer we get to the new decade. Is China willing to risk "war" with Taiwan if Taiwan secedes, even though it must be diplomatically revered w/ their Olympics and World Expo?

If Taiwan has the guts to secede, this decade is the time to do it. Do it while the guardsman is wooing a woman. There will be no better time.

And if America gets thrown into the mix, well we then have a recipe for the great China vs. America heavyweight championship match; it will probably be held in the Trump Majal.
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The above will not make sense as I did not proofread or read over it. Please take no notion to my statements as I am just a blumbling tired sleepyhead now. Kthx.

P.S.    74|_|<1|\|6 |_'/|< 7]-[15 15 |=|_||\|

very well said.

and no, taiwan is not represented in the UN. because in the 70s, when china wanted to join the UN, taiwan was in the UN under the name of "china" and because there could only be one "china" in the UN, taiwan, being the smaller country was kicked out. (i hope that wasn't too confusing)

if taiwan will officially declare secession. it would be admitting that they are part of china. and IF they really do, it would be close to 2006 because, as you said, the beijing olympics and the shanghai expo.

[*mipadi*]

and no, taiwan is not represented in the UN.  because in the 70s, when china wanted to join the UN, taiwan was in the UN under the name of "china" and because there could only be one "china" in the UN, taiwan, being the smaller country was kicked out.  (i hope that wasn't too confusing)

It's not quite that easy, although that's the gist of it. More correctly, the Republic of China (aka "Taiwan") was one of the founding members of the UN and held a permanent seat with veto power on the Security Council, like all permanent members. However, by the 1960s, nations friendly to the People's Republic of China (Communist China, aka "China") continually moved to recognize the PRC, not the ROC, as the "real" China. This support was always vetoed by the United States. However, by the late 1960s, the UN had become much less Western-dominated, and support for the ROC began to erode, until 1971, when the General Assembly passed a resolution recognizing the PRC as the legitimate government of China, instead of the ROC. (This was an issue of credentials, not membership, so the Security Council--and, more important, the US and the ROC--could not use their veto power.) After that, the representative from the PRC took the ROC's seat on the Security Council.

[DaTru KataLYST]

It's not quite that easy, although that's the gist of it. More correctly, the Republic of China (aka "Taiwan") was one of the founding members of the UN and held a permanent seat with veto power on the Security Council, like all permanent members. However, by the 1960s, nations friendly to the People's Republic of China (Communist China, aka "China") continually moved to recognize the PRC, not the ROC, as the "real" China. This support was always vetoed by the United States. However, by the late 1960s, the UN had become much less Western-dominated, and support for the ROC began to erode, until 1971, when the General Assembly passed a resolution recognizing the PRC as the legitimate government of China, instead of the ROC. (This was an issue of credentials, not membership, so the Security Council--and, more important, the US and the ROC--could not use their veto power.) After that, the representative from the PRC took the ROC's seat on the Security Council.

sounds like a good ol' backstab to me ;O

I'm politically Chinese, but I've culturally connected w/ China and Taiwan. Taiwan is fun (indeed!), and I think they should be able to be separate and China should just let go of old grudges. I would think the world will view China more diplomatically lovable these days if they said they would be "nice" and let Taiwan go. That's only my opinion, though.

But gosh you know the basketball team whose name is "Chinese Taipei"? My friend wore the jersey to Southern Taiwan. How crazy is that?!!

[*kryogenix*]

sounds like a good ol' backstab to me ;O

I'm politically Chinese, but I've culturally connected w/ China and Taiwan. Taiwan is fun (indeed!), and I think they should be able to be separate and China should just let go of old grudges. I would think the world will view China more diplomatically lovable these days if they said they would be "nice" and let Taiwan go. That's only my opinion, though.

But gosh you know the basketball team whose name is "Chinese Taipei"? My friend wore the jersey to Southern Taiwan. How crazy is that?!!

Part of Taiwan is against seperating.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

^^Yup Yup not just a part, but even a big chunk

[sprezzatura]

Taiwan=Republic of China (ROC)
China=People's Republic of China (PRC)

China thinks Taiwan is part of PRC but Taiwan says it is an independent country.

[demolished]

Taiwan and China are separated countries. Don’t you people ever found Chinese cookies plastic box that say “made in Taiwan”. This gives us an idea that it’s not part of China.

[*kryogenix*]

Taiwan and China are separated countries. Don’t you people ever found Chinese cookies plastic box that say “made in Taiwan”. This gives us an idea that it’s not part of China.

Yes, but China doesn't recognize it as its own country. There's a small platform off the coast of Britain, and this guy claims its a country, but nobody recognizes it as a country.

[*mipadi*]

Yes, but China doesn't recognize it as its own country. There's a small platform off the coast of Britain, and this guy claims its a country, but nobody recognizes it as a country.

And, likewise, Taiwan doesn't view China as a separate country.

[sm0kinm0nky]

Taiwan is NOT part of China.


Taiwan is a Democracy where China is Communist. China's been trying to get Taiwan back for a very long time. But Taiwan is an independet nation with its own government.

[gelionie]

Don’t you people ever found Chinese cookies plastic box that say “made in Taiwan”. This gives us an idea that it’s not part of China.

You see products that say "made in Hong Kong" as well but Hong Kong is not an independent country (just a Special Administrative Region).

So, that doesn't really relate to whether Taiwan is part of Mainland China or not.

The PRC government strongly objects to what they call "Taiwan independence", but to me, Taiwan has always been economically and politically independent from China since 1949. It's only that a lot of the countries that are friendly towards China do not recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

[*mipadi*]

"Taiwan has become the latest, er, country to go whining to Google Earth - not because the entertaining online service reveals high-res pics of air bases packed with black helicopters, but because those tiresome Americans insist on calling it 'a province of China'.

Oh dear, oh dear. A suitably indignant Taiwanese government has therefore asked Google to correct the outrage to read the Republic of Taiwan - despite the fact that, as Reuters notes, the island of 23 million souls is 'recognised by only 26 states in the world and has no seat at the United Nations'.

Foreign ministry spokesman, Michel Lu, explained: 'It is incorrect to call Taiwan a province of China because we are not. We have contacted Google to express our position and asked them to correct the description.'

Google has maintained a stony silence on the matter, presumably while it tries to work out a solution which will please both the Taiwanese and the hosts of the (lucrative, burgeoning, inviting) Chinese internet search business opportunity market.

No doubt good sense will prevail, with Google siding firmly with Beijing and threatening to invade Taiwan if it attempts to declare itself a sovereign state while taking the intermediate measure of downgrading all existing satellite images of the island to 'developing world lo-res'--a fate reserved for only the mostly lowly of nations/provinces." [1]

[sadolakced acid]

last time i checked, china didn't allow it's provinces to have thier own navy and army that's taught on how to invade the rest of china.

ergo, rogue province acting as an independent state....

[*disco infiltrator*]

It's kinda like Puerto Rico and America, no?

Puerto Rico is somewhat independent, but it is still a part of America. Puerto Ricans have U.S. Citizenship even.

[sadolakced acid]

not really... pueto rico and the US are friendly.

chinese do not have to honor debts to tiawanese, there have been various trade embargos, etc.

there is a bit of tension there...

it would be like if california broke away from the US, we'd have tension.

[*[Filp]Essence*]

that's right, but it has it's own system of government