Why Women Need Freedom From Religion Options

[latinprep12]

I was bored and looked up some stuff and well read it and tell me what you think


http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/women.html

Organized religion always has been and remains the greatest enemy of women's rights. In the Christian-dominated Western world, two bible verses in particular sum up the position of women:

"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16

By this third chapter of Genesis, woman lost her rights, her standing--even her identity, and motherhood became a God-inflicted curse degrading her status in the world.

In the New Testament, the bible decrees:

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14

One bible verse alone, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Exodus 22:18) is responsible for the death of tens of thousands, if not millions, of women. Do women and those who care about them need further evidence of the great harm of Christianity, predicated as it has been on these and similar teachings about women?

Church writer Tertullian said "each of you women is an Eve . . . You are the gate of Hell, you are the temptress of the forbidden tree; you are the first deserter of the divine law."

Martin Luther decreed: "If a woman grows weary and at last dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing, she is there to do it."

[Ington]

Thats not much of an argument.

If women believe in it strongly enough, they would believe that's their place in society. If they don't, then they won't act like that. Women in the western world can do that.

The true problem is not with the western civilization and Christianity, but with the Middle and Far East in Islamic and Muslim religion. In many cases, women are forced into that position.

[ComradeRed]

I agree. If women act submissively because they think it's the right thing to do, they are just as happy and just as well-off as if they act aggressively because that's what they want to do.

[Gypsy Eyes]

So what exactly is the debate here? Ok so women were expected to be submissive and silent. That is just the way that things were run when those were written. It's not like that anymore now, or not nearly as bad. It's not like anyone can go back and change anything.

[*Programmer*]

^ she's gotta point...
i agree with her

[Rikkiismyname]

OK well I'm.... i guess I would call myself a "woman in training". Anyways, Women should be able to choose how involed in church they are. Like Me, I'm almost never even in a church. I think I've been inside a church like 5 times in my whole life.

[Blackhorn]

Womens rights have been supressed since the begining of christianity. Many of the older religions veiw women as sacred. The early egyptians worshiped women, and passed on the throne throw the mothers side, since it was easier to prove that a child was actually the mothers. It wasn't until europe began to develop a 'civilized' society that women were pushed into submision by men.

I am greatly offened by christian views of my place in this world- besides, as evolvefish.com says:

Eve was Framed.

[SkaironFrenzy]

Them liberals are trying so hard now-a-days. I'm pretty sure its supposed to be "freedom OF religion" not "freedom FROM religion".

[fameONE]

Them liberals are trying so hard now-a-days. I'm pretty sure its supposed to be "freedom OF religion" not "freedom FROM religion".

Liberals reach, Conservatives preach, and in the end, both parties are so full of hot air that any surfacing topic is nothing more than redundant overkill.

This is another topic that can easily coincide with the 10,000 other topics on religion.

[sadolakced acid]

eve was decieved by a serpent.

adam was asked by a naked woman.

so we see the weaknesses of both sexes.

[Justingamemaster]

Don't women already have freedom of religion in America?

[Olive]

So what exactly is the debate here? Ok so women were expected to be submissive and silent. That is just the way that things were run when those were written. It's not like that anymore now, or not nearly as bad. It's not like anyone can go back and change anything.

Some religions still run on the influence of men, and women are perceived to be of much less or no authority. In the Jewish tradition, I believe women are not allowed to participate in religious services in the synagogue and are locked up away from the view of men because they are a "distraction"(?) But I guess if no one's complaining, neither should I, Im not Jewish.

[Rachel]

Some religions still run on the influence of men, and women are perceived to be of much less or no authority. In the Jewish tradition, I believe women are not allowed to participate in religious services in the synagogue and are locked up away from the view of men because they are a "distraction"(?) But I guess if no one's complaining, neither should I, Im not Jewish.

They aren't "locked up". In Orthodox temples, the men and the women are seperated, and at the Western Wall in Isreal, they are seperated but nowhere are women locked up. I happen to be Jewish and I am not sure if the reason is because of distraction. I think it is just the way things were back then.

[Olive]

They aren't "locked up". In Orthodox temples, the men and the women are seperated, and at the Western Wall in Isreal, they are seperated but nowhere are women locked up. I  happen to be Jewish and I am not sure if the reason is because of distraction. I think it is just the way things were back then.

I wasn't quite sure, thus the (?) question mark. Don't take offence. I am studying my final year of Studies in Religion with one topic focusing on Judaism. In the documentary we watched it did look as though they were locked in barred doors until the end of the service. Seperated, definately. A Jewish guest speaker told us the purpose was traditionally because of distraction. But isn't the fact that they are not allowed to participate a fair bit sexist on the female role? Or is this aspect of the practice disregarded because of tradition?

[sovietski]

You are simply saying propaganda....you chose to use the bible to point out these "supposably" anti-women places. Have you ever even tried to look for the places that support women? Allow me to enlighten you.

"Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God." 1Chorintians 11:11-12

PR 31:30 "Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised"

MT 26:10 "When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me."

MT 26:13 "Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her."

EPH 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;"

EPH 5:28 "So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself."

COL 3:19 "Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them"

I could keep going...but why need I? As you have seen here, being a women in Christianity does not make you "nothing", as a matter of fact a women that fulfill's the word of the Lord shall be praised and be glorified. Wives must submit to there husbands, this is the truth. For women and men are different. And this is for different purposes. But I want to tell you, that if you do not belive in "Christianity", why would you even ask these questions because no matter what, you wont belive. And if you believe somewhat, I tell you this....we cannot play God. And we do not challenge what God has made. For it is God's will for things to be the way he said for them to be, and who are we to differ?

There is one thing that holds true, that God wants to test a humans faith in him. There are reasons that women have certain burdens to carry, because those who are fake will never be able to fulfill them, and only a women who truly loves God will have the faith to do his will. One she does it, she will reveal the glory of God. How much are you willing to put aside what you think you know for happiness?

[sadolakced acid]

^

so god is giving women props for being dutiful wives of men.

riiiiight.... that's so supportive of women.

[sovietski]

Little did you know, being a duitiful wife to your husband which you had a choice over by the way is a way of making God happy. That is not the only way!

There are women who are unmarried. And they have freedom in there beliefs and faiths. What I suggest you do, is go and talk to an actual Christian women and ask her if Christianity is binding her. Dont be surprised when she says it frees her. You will never understand God untill you accept him, that is why it will be hard to understand how this may be. Open up your heart to it, and maybe God will answer your question.

[sadolakced acid]

hahahaa...

nice.

you know how they say converts are the most feverent devotees of a religion?

well, i've been enlightened.
and am now a feverent denouncer of christianity.

it's only when you've opened yourself to god and satan, and realized the truth about both, that you can truely understand them.

[sovietski]

I don't understand what you are saying...and well I guess I shouldn't try to convince anyone of anything...just say my ideas. I am just showing you that you are on the outside looking in. Were u ever Christian? If not, then lol, why speak of that which you know not of.

[Ington]

Womens rights have been supressed since the begining of christianity. Many of the older religions veiw women as sacred. The early egyptians worshiped women, and passed on the throne throw the mothers side, since it was easier to prove that a child was actually the mothers.  It wasn't until europe began to develop a 'civilized' society that women were pushed into submision by men.

I am greatly offened by christian views of my place in this world- besides, as evolvefish.com says:

Eve was Framed.

Thats um. Not true at all.

Ever hear of Hamurabi's Code? Well, its the first series of laws that were in effect in the world, and they were in Mesopotamia (Babylon, Sumeria, Akkadia, whatever), the first known civilization in the world. Anyway, it gave men of families the right to sell their wives and children to slavery to repay for debts. Men were seen as higher than women. Women weren't surpressed from the beginning of Christianity. Since the beginning of the first civilizations, there were more patriarchies.