is bush at fault? Options

[*tweeak*]

to begin with, i'd like to point out that I do not support Bush. However, I cannot understand why people are blaming him for Katrina, just because he has troops in Iraq. It seems like a lame excuse to protest the war and find a scapegoat for the hurricane

so, do you think Bush is at fault for part of the Katrina ordeal?

[*mipadi*]

No, I think meteorological systems are.

Oh, and whoever the idiots were that said, "I know, let's build a city next to a river, lake, and ocean, but let's build it below sea level."

However, I don't think Bush is at fault. The National Guard is a bit overextended, and this is a good reason why they should be kept at home, not sent overseas, but I think we still have the manpower to cover this sort of emergency.

[pandamonium]

i feel so sorry for the people down there, but however i do not think bush had forseen the future and decided to put people in war just so they werent there when katrina hit. so i do not think bush is at fault, no way no how. Even though i dont think we should of gone to war.

We can recover from this but i think it will be hard, cause we are a much higher society from SRI LANKA, they are going to recover much quickly ,by that i mean our lives are much more complex from our buildings to our jobs its gunna take a while to recover.

But I think the real question is are we at fault for these hurricanes? I am not so sure but can pollution be affecting the way the weather works???? or the things that we are doing everyday? or could it be global warming?
And could we have helped sooner, i mean they already knew this hurricane was coming, could they evacuated them earlier?

[hall0w]

well its not only bush its probably ur parents too or mayb you... the hurricane wus a cause of global warming and u people including me might b causin global warming so its every1's fault so dont blame one person

[*mipadi*]

I don't know if one can associate global warming with hurricanes.

There are, however, some man-made problems associated with New Orleans and storm activity. For example, New Orleans is practically out in the ocean now; it wasn't always that way, though. New Orleans used to be surrounded by marshland that helped absorb storms such as hurricanes. Unfortunately, in the last 60 years, human activity has depleted that marshland, resulting in flooding that basically surrounded New Orleans with water and removed land that helped absorb and slow down hurricanes.

[pandamonium]

I don't know if one can associate global warming with hurricanes.

There are, however, some man-made problems associated with New Orleans and storm activity. For example, New Orleans is practically out in the ocean now; it wasn't always that way, though. New Orleans used to be surrounded by marshland that helped absorb storms such as hurricanes. Unfortunately, in the last 60 years, human activity has depleted that marshland, resulting in flooding that basically surrounded New Orleans with water and removed land that helped absorb and slow down hurricanes.

yea those are the things im talking about, its can also be our fault.

but new orleans is below sea level.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well, New Orleans is sinking, but Venice is too. I don't think that's really peoples' fault..well, not the people that live there at least. The people who didn't have common sense when they built towns there are at fault.

[*xcaitlinx*]

Of course he was. The government freakin knew that there was going to be a hurricane that fell under catergory 3, and that it had the potential to become a catergory 4 or even 5.

i don't UNDERSTAND why louisiana, alabama, and mississippi didn't have state and federal troops ready BEFORE the hurricane hit so that they could deal with the problem and have a PLAN.

clearly, bush slacked off and was unprepared. he won't admit that there is a lack of troops in the south because they're all stationed in IRAQ. speaking of which, maybe some of you saw on good morning america when diane sawyer asked about this situation and guess what his answer was? "commercial break". yep. he DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER WHY THERE'S A LACK OF FEDERAL TROOPS BECAUSE HE KNEW DAMN WELL THAT THEY WERE ALL IN IRAQ.

to be quite honest, i still can't believe this is happening. like i've said, only in america, under the power of george w. bush, would something like this get so out of hand that people are looting gun stores, looting houses, DYING IN THE STREETS, KILLING AND RAPING people, and leaving corpses to be eaten by rats. it makes me absolutely sick to my stomach and depressed to watch cnn and see cooper anderson<3 crying....as the f**king politicians are literally THANKING eachother and saying how much of a tremendous job they are doing as peoples' corpses are LYING ON THE STREETS and PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.

where am i?

[Ington]

Of course he was. The government freakin knew that there was going to be a hurricane that fell under catergory 3, and that it had the potential to become a catergory 4 or even 5.

i don't UNDERSTAND why louisiana, alabama, and mississippi didn't have state and federal troops ready BEFORE the hurricane hit so that they could deal with the problem and have a PLAN.

clearly, bush slacked off and was unprepared. he won't admit that there is a lack of troops in the south because they're all stationed in IRAQ. speaking of which, maybe some of you saw on good morning america when diane sawyer asked about this situation and guess what his answer was? "commercial break". yep. he DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER WHY THERE'S A LACK OF FEDERAL TROOPS BECAUSE HE KNEW DAMN WELL THAT THEY WERE ALL IN IRAQ.

to be quite honest, i still can't believe this is happening. like i've said, only in america, under the power of george w. bush, would something like this get so out of hand that people are looting gun stores, looting houses, DYING IN THE STREETS, KILLING AND RAPING people, and leaving corpses to be eaten by rats.

where am i?

Okay, I'm just wondering, where are all these federal troops and extra police and military personell going to come from? Last time I checked, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi are states, and it would take more than a couple hundred thousand troops to make a visible difference.

Not to mention your point about all the troops being in Iraq. The police of states didn't go anywhere, the army reserve did. We're in a war, by the way, and we can't just pull out. It doesn't work that way.

[*xcaitlinx*]

Where are all of them going to come from? Hmm...isn't that the job of our marvelous president? He should've had a PLAN. he KNEW it was coming, and had the power to take control of the situation before it got worse.

The troops in New Orleans don't even have CONTROL of the city. That's how bad the situation is.

And I'm sure as hell not going to talk about the war in Iraq because I'm too upset about what's going on in our f**king country.

edit // im not JUST blaming Bush. The whole government is just as responsible. I just think it's ironic in a way that Bush waited 7 minutes to act on the attacks of 9/11 and 4 days to act on Hurricane Katrina.

[Ington]

Honestly, do you really think that this entire thing is Bush's fault? Does Bush train the soldiers? Does Bush account for every little governmental action fulfilled in the entire US? No. He doesn't. The government does. Stop beating on him.

This was a natural disaster. How do you control that? Do you lift New Orleans? Do you hold back the water? What?

I suggest you provide actual proof or critizism other than 'I f**king HATE BUSH'.

[*xcaitlinx*]

proof? i've been watching CNN and Fox all day. Why don't you flip on the channel yourself and you'll see what's going on.

I'm simply stating the facts that have been reported all day.

[Ington]

Not proof that there is a disaster there. Proof that its Bush's fault.

[*xcaitlinx*]

Of course there was no way to PREVENT the hurricane, but there are ways to PLAN AHEAD so that the situation wouldn't be as tragic and dangerous and putrid as it is right now.

I just want to barf right now and move to Canada. To be quite honest, I'm embarrassed that this is happening right now. (not the hurricane, the after math)

Our country uses 1/4 of the world's oil. 25 freakin percent! tell me that isn't an insane number. we are screwed if we don't change our habits and lifestyles before it's too late.

[Ington]

There was planning ahead. Its just that what they planned backfired. The barriers (I forgot the name) broke.

The problem might be that they're used to hurricanes and didn't take it as seriously as they should have. However, I can't account for every action they did to plan ahead.

We use that much oil because we're an industrial country, and our people like to drive big fat SUVs.


Its surprisingly true how no one hates America more than Americans.

...American liberals, that is.

[*xcaitlinx*]

So you're excusing the government because they didn't take it as SERIOUSLY? They knew damn right that the hurricane would reach catergory 4 or even 5. That's absolutely no excuse.

edit // yes, i think we all realize that. but when are we, as citizens of America, going to stop wasting oil and energy in the world? When it's all gone and we're forced to manage without it?

This is the president that didnt/doesnt? believe in global warming.

[Ington]

So you're excusing the government because they didn't take it as SERIOUSLY? They knew damn right that the hurricane would reach catergory 4 or even 5. That's absolutely no excuse.

Lady, I was talking about the citizens of the flooded states.

I can't argue anymore, my dad is yelling at me.

[*xcaitlinx*]

Its surprisingly true how no one hates America more than Americans.

...American liberals, that is.

You know what, after this catastrophy, I think most people, democrats AND republicans, have realized what a horrible president Bush is.

To me, this feels like 9/11 all over again. Except the terrorists are our own people.

The even more tragic thing is that hurricane season is far from over.

[*tweeak*]

no, not so much. after hearing people discuss the matter this evening, i was actually moved to defend bush

oh honestly, hurricanes and terrorists are not the same thing, remotely!!

[*xcaitlinx*]

no, not so much. after hearing people discuss the matter  this evening, i was actually moved to defend bush

Why so? Every channel that I tuned into was basically bashing Bush and the government.

edit // i was referring the terrorists as the Americans that are burning down malls, looting homes/gun shops/stores, and shooting each other / policemen.

the policemen can't even go into the streets to save people! they are stationed on the top of the roof defending themselves!

[*tweeak*]

That's not the government, it's our f**ked up society

[pandamonium]

Our country uses 1/4 of the world's oil. 25 freakin percent! tell me that isn't an insane number. we are screwed if we don't change our habits and lifestyles before it's too late.

yes exactly that is the same way i feel. we need to change or else we have nothing else to rely on in the world. we are so caught up in big industries and making money we dont have the time to stop and find another solution for oil.

So you're excusing the government because they didn't take it as SERIOUSLY? They knew damn right that the hurricane would reach catergory 4 or even 5. That's absolutely no excuse.

edit // yes, i think we all realize that. but when are we, as citizens of America, going to stop wasting oil and energy in the world? When it's all gone and we're forced to manage without it?

This is the president that didnt/doesnt? believe in global warming.

this debate isnt about oil so back to the subject. nobody did react to the hurricane when it was coming. it was too little too late to do anything. but still the government was FULLY aware something was coming and it wasnt good. why didnt anybody do anything then?? we couldnt of made this less severe, you could of think we would've learned something from the tsunami that hit SRI LANKA?????

[*xcaitlinx*]

That's not the government, it's our f**ked up society

What do you mean by that?

[WhiteLotus*]

The weather is to blame, of course. I don't think Bush really has to do anything with it. The mayor of New Orleans ( where the eye of the storm is, isn't it?), the mayor of all the other towns that were hit, and the governer of all the states that have been hit could have had better emergency plans for a natural disaster. I know that there were plans, but obviously they backfired. They could have had a better plan on what do when the people have been evacuated. They could have provided restroom facilities, set up a government, send more buses. New Orleans is basically anarchy right now. You'd expect people to come together and help each other out in a time of need like this. It's funny how we can help people out with their problems and their disasters, and we can't solve our own problems.

[*xcaitlinx*]

^ exactly. I can't understand why people would try to SHOOT DOWN the helicopters that were bringing food and supplies to them. It boggles my mind.

[*tweeak*]

What do you mean by that?

that people are stupid and greedy enough to rob, shoot and start a riot through the devastation

[*xcaitlinx*]

that people are stupid and greedy enough to rob, shoot and start a riot through the devastation

you're right about that. but what i was wondering was if the government took control of the situation before it led to that, would this really be an issue?

[pandamonium]

^ exactly. I can't understand why people would try to SHOOT DOWN the helicopters that were bringing food and supplies to them. It boggles my mind.

people are just crazy in times like this. i dont see how shooting would help the problem. there are already people dying without their medication. why make it worse.

[*xcaitlinx*]

i almost wanted to cry when i saw all of the elderly people and mothers with newborn children starving to death in America, supposedly the number one country in the world.

and do you believe that only 20 countries offered to donate money and help?

[*tweeak*]

I think there's a slight lack of psychics in our administration. now really, how could it have been handled? it doesn't look much better to threaten victims unabetted than it does to have people get out of hand of their own accord. i don;t think it could have been avoided

[pandamonium]

i almost wanted to cry when i saw all of the elderly people and mothers with newborn children starving to death in America, supposedly the number one country in the world.

it is , its sad to see the number one country, with all this happening in our own country, you think we could of prevented most this with all the smart people in our country.

[*xcaitlinx*]

I think there's a slight lack of psychics in our administration. now really, how could it have been handled? it doesn't look much better to threaten victims unabetted than it does to have people get out of hand of their own accord. i don;t think it could have been avoided

if there were policemen arresting the criminals or atleast clearing out all of the gun shops so that they wouldn't be available to them, that would atleast HELP.

like i've been saying, this could've all been planned out days, maybe even weeks before Katrina hit. You can't just excuse the administration and say "well, they thought that it wouldn't be so severe."

i'm going to bed...i'll argue more about this in the morning after i see if there's been any progress in louisiana.

my hopes go out to all of those whose lives were affected by Hurricane Katrina in any way.

[pandamonium]

^ with all this happeneing it just makes it seem like the world is really ending....

[*mipadi*]

So you're excusing the government because they didn't take it as SERIOUSLY? They knew damn right that the hurricane would reach catergory 4 or even 5. That's absolutely no excuse.

Well, what exactly was the government supposed to do? People were warned--a mandatory evacuation was ordered for New Orleans and several other areas. What more can the government do?

[starlette]

That's not the government, it's our f**ked up society

exactly. You cannot blame Bush for people in the ghetto who insist on being violent and shooting people. He didn't tell them to do that. bush didn't sit on tv and say, If there is ever a crisis, please, shoot eachother and the police, steal everything you can get your hands on. Thats just f**ked up people. The really stupid thing is these people are clinging onto these material things, when they don't know if they are going to make it through the week. Its like, what good is a pair of nikes going to do you when you have no food? So you can stop trying to blame bush for that one. And you also can't blame Bush for global warming, because global warming began before he was born. Its a problem we've had for a very long time, and at this rate, we are probably going to keep having it becuase no one seems to know what to do about it. Watch the Day after Tomorrow. Yes, the events are extreme, but its all based on the very realy effects of global warming. Bush didn't start the earth, he didn't start abising resources, so he can;t be blamed. He is just another product of society. We all are. So many of us drive instead of walk. So this must be your fault. Whatever. This could have happened to anyone. But since it happened here, now its Bush' fault. I dont support or not support Bush, I don't care, but I do not beleive in bestowing blame where it is not deserved. And tell me something, since everyone knew about this hurricane over a week before it hit New Orleans, why didn't they get themselves out??! The people that live there should know better than anyone the kind of damage a hurricane could cause. Many stayed until the day beofre, or even hours before. Besides, if you saw the footage, since the hurricane had weakened, in theory they all would have survived, but the levy broke and flooded everything. If that levy hadn't broken, this wouldn't even be an issue. But who could know the levy would brake. Who could know the water would start rising. the thing about natural disasters is that they are unpredicatble. We can try, but its weather. Its not going to do what we want it to do. Things don't always hold up to it the way we wish. What next? Are we going to be blaming bush for Tornados that ravage cities? For not evactuating 150,000 people 3 mnutes before the thing gets there? Give me a break.

[xTINAA]

Of course he's not at fault. How could he be? What? He's supposed to control the weather now? How quick some of you are to place blame for a natural disaster. Natural being the key word. It's unpredictable. Sure they knew about it but they didn't know exactly what would happen, exactly how it would turn out, they aren't f**king fortune tellers. Yes. The government knew ahead of time. I think there most likely would have been less deaths if people actually listened to the warnings and left their homes and left the states instead of thinking they could handle it. But did people? No. It was mandatory for them to leave. They obviously knew ahead of time too, it's not like it was some big secret. They had plenty of time to book it out of there. And about the looters and all the chaos. Honestly, what the hell do you expect? C'mon now, let's not be ignorant. Of course after a natural disaster like this there is going to be chaos and like others have said, it's our own f**ked up society's fault that people feel the need to go out and rape and steal. Why? Because we're selfish. And gas prices? We should be worried about more important things. Yeah, it is important. I know. I pay $60 to fill up my tank, I know what a big deal it is. But is it Bush's fault that the prices were basically forced to rise due to again, a natural disaster? Negative. It's not. People just feel like placing blame on someone. Why? This makes them feel more secure about their own position and whatever else. I mean, that's like blaming so and so because of the tsunami disaster. How completely ludicrous. This is like our own little version of the tsunamis yet when that was going on, who was blamed for it? It's normal for us to feel pity, sorrow, sympathy, whatever else but placing blame is unnecessary especially when the blame doesn't even fit. Instead of saying, "Bush sucks; it's all his fault" why not go and do something to help the people out there? It is definitely not his fault. And also, a little tip to people out there, don't believe 100% of everything you hear and see on the news. Even the news is biased and they show what they want and things like that. You aren't getting the whole complete truth so it's not fair to base all of your opinions just on what you see.

[*kryogenix*]

Well, what exactly was the government supposed to do? People were warned--a mandatory evacuation was ordered for New Orleans and several other areas. What more can the government do?

Quoted for truth. The people were told there was danger coming, that they had to leave, and they chose to stay. And I believe this is the first time we've been on the same side of an argument .

if there were policemen arresting the criminals or atleast clearing out all of the gun shops so that they wouldn't be available to them, that would atleast HELP.

like i've been saying, this could've all been planned out days, maybe even weeks before Katrina hit. You can't just excuse the administration and say "well, they thought that it wouldn't be so severe."

The policemen are there. The national guard is there. The problem was, the police had no way to communicate. If a single officer encounters a gang, he can't call for backup. The only thing the police can do is patrol the city.

You know what would help a lot? If the people weren't acting like animals and taking advantage of the disaster, that would help a lot. It's impossible to excuse their behavior.

When the terrorists hit the WTC, NYC was in a pretty chaotic state. The difference was that people chose to work with the police and each other. In New Orleans, the troublemakers are just concerned with themselves. They want to hijack the ambulances so that they can get out of New Orleans. They want to shoot down the helicopters so that they can't be seen looting. Sure, there were people who exploited the situation, but so many more people put the safety of the general public above their own wants.

[*xcaitlinx*]

You have to remember that a lot of the people COULDN'T evacuate because they were handicapped or had no automobile to actually get out.

[CuddleWitCathy]

You have to remember that a lot of the people COULDN'T evacuate because they were handicapped or had no automobile to actually get out.

yea thats true...lucky i evacuted da day before it came...n it took me 14 hours to get to lake charles...bcuz all the traffic....lucky i herd my neighborhood n my house is still standing......lucky it didnt get flooded.....im thankful...

[*kryogenix*]

You have to remember that a lot of the people COULDN'T evacuate because they were handicapped or had no automobile to actually get out.

Then what are all of those parked cars we see in the news? And wasn't there bus service? Honestly, if I was a handicapped person, and I knew a category 5 hurricane was coming my way, I'd make sure that I got out while the sun was still shining.

[Spirited Away]

Of course there was no way to PREVENT the hurricane, but there are ways to PLAN AHEAD so that the situation wouldn't be as tragic and dangerous and putrid as it is right now.

actually, i was watching the same things you were and FOX did say that there were plans but they didn't plan for this kind of devastation. they prepared for a level 3 hurricane NOT 5. This is from FOX. So, you see, they did plan, but not very well because the weather has a mind of its own. your saying that we didn't take the warnings seriously is unfair. the simulation of the hurricane was of a level 3, not 5 and we prepared for 3.

like i've been saying, this could've all been planned out days, maybe even weeks before Katrina hit. You can't just excuse the administration and say "well, they thought that it wouldn't be so severe."

i believe that it's better to be safe than sorry as much as you even more so. you know, if i had thought it would be this severe when the warnings came up, i'd get my ass and my family out of there in ONE day without waiting to hear from the government. my family has done that before when warnings about el nino came up in california years ago. the fact is that people there didn't think that it would be a big deal, so they stayed. the people believed that and so did the government. government is made up of people. do you see where i'm going with this?

[*xcaitlinx*]

Then what are all of those parked cars we see in the news? And wasn't there bus service? Honestly, if I was a handicapped person, and I knew a category 5 hurricane was coming my way, I'd make sure that I got out while the sun was still shining.

I think it's unfair to say that the disabled people could've gotten out, when you don't really know every single person's living situation looking in from the outside. I believe there was a man that was interviewed while he was inside the convention center and he said that there was no public transportation provided for the people that couldn't get out.

i believe that it's better to be safe than sorry as much as you even more so. you know, if i had thought it would be this severe when the warnings came up, i'd get my ass and my family out of there in ONE day without waiting to hear from the government. my family has done that before when warnings about el nino came up in california years ago. the fact is that people there didn't think that it would be a big deal, so they stayed. the people believed that and so did the government. government is made up of people. do you see where i'm going with this?

But you see, my problem and concern is that if THIS is the way that the government acts when there's a hurricane, how prepared are they going to be if there's anothre terrorist attack? it's scary.

[Spirited Away]

But you see, my problem and concern is that if THIS is the way that the government acts when there's a hurricane, how prepared are they going to be if there's anothre terrorist attack? it's scary.

*sigh* i do understand your concern and i worry for those people, too. i can't imagine what i would do if Katrina had hit houston instead. i would also say that the government was under-prepared for a level 5 hurricane because they expected a level 3. you know, after 9/11 we learned to be more cautious, hopefully after Katrina, the government will over-prepare in the future. it is a mistake to not be prepared for Katrina knowing now how bad it was, but it is an honest mistake, in my opinion.

for now, i don't think it's the right time to be upset. it's the time to encourage any aid available for these people as soon as possible. we can be upset after lives are saved and all those people are safe from chaos and sickness.

[*tweeak*]

You have to remember that a lot of the people COULDN'T evacuate because they were handicapped or had no automobile to actually get out.

You realize that that wouldn't be the case. Just because a person is disabled does not mean they're compleyely unable to go anywhere. They don't just sit and rot in their homes. If they'd have taken the MANDITORY EVACTUATION seiously, they certainly could have found a way

[starlette]

I was watching something on the weather channel that said the were prepering for a level 5 hurricane. And in fact what his new orleans was NOT a level 5. It was a strong 3. If it had been a level 5, new orleans would be literally gone. There would not be that many survivors. That hurricane weakened way more than any one expected it would before it hit New Orleans. The reason it is flooded is because the levy broke. they were already expecting the worst case secnario. There was very little they could do with such little preparation however. If they had known 20 years ago this hurricane was coming, and know exactly when, then they would have been more prepared. But a little over a week doesn't give you much time. It just comes down to the fact that weather is unpredicable. But y'all need to understand that the destrcution is not because of the strength of the hurricane, its because the levys broke. If you look at some of the footage, there is a whole side of New Orleans thats survived the hurricane with no flood damage, but thats on the other side of where the levy broke. It was a bunch of bad things happening all at once.

[*jooleeah*]

Obviously it's not Bush's fault. My reason?

exactly. You cannot blame Bush for people in the ghetto who insist on being violent and shooting people. He didn't tell them to do that. bush didn't sit on tv and say, If there is ever a crisis, please, shoot eachother and the police, steal everything you can get your hands on. Thats just f**ked up people. The really stupid thing is these people are clinging onto these material things, when they don't know if they are going to make it through the week. Its like, what good is a pair of nikes going to do you when you have no food? So you can stop trying to blame bush for that one. And you also can't blame Bush for global warming, because global warming began before he was born. Its a problem we've had for a very long time, and at this rate, we are probably going to keep having it becuase no one seems to know what to do about it. Watch the Day after Tomorrow. Yes, the events are extreme, but its all based on the very realy effects of global warming. Bush didn't start the earth, he didn't start abising resources, so he can;t be blamed. He is just another product of society. We all are. So many of us drive instead of walk. So this must be your fault. Whatever. This could have happened to anyone. But since it happened here, now its Bush' fault. I dont support or not support Bush, I don't care, but I do not beleive in bestowing blame where it is not deserved. And tell me something, since everyone knew about this hurricane over a week before it hit New Orleans, why didn't they get themselves out??! The people that live there should know better than anyone the kind of damage a hurricane could cause. Many stayed until the day beofre, or even hours before. Besides, if you saw the footage, since the hurricane had weakened, in theory they all would have survived, but the levy broke and flooded everything. If that levy hadn't broken, this wouldn't even be an issue. But who could know the levy would brake. Who could know the water would start rising. the thing about natural disasters is that they are unpredicatble. We can try, but its weather. Its not going to do what we want it to do. Things don't always hold up to it the way we wish. What next? Are we going to be blaming bush for Tornados that ravage cities? For not evactuating 150,000 people 3 mnutes before the thing gets there? Give me a break.

Exactly what she said.

As Michael said, people WERE warned. They just weren't prepared for a huge crisis like this.

[antix10_kos]

I don't blame Bush for the hurricane happening. To do so would be straight and pure idiocy. I do, however, blame his administration for their rather sluggish reply to the tragic events of Hurricane Katrina. I'm not talking about preventing the hurricane from hitting. Only omnipotent beings can prevent natural disasters and we all know that President Bush is not one of those....

What I am talking about is the fact that those people had to go 3-4 days without water and food. If we can have food and fresh water on the ground in Sri Lanka within a day of a major disaster, why couldn't we have it in Louisiana within a day?

I don't blame the people in New Orleans and Mississippi for "looting" and "stealing" things like water, food, diapers, clothes, medicine and other necessities. Now, do I think it's ok for these people to go steal anything that's not nailed down?? No. Do I think that it is ok for people to take what they and their children need to survive in a horrible and lawless place that has no system to offer them anything?? Yes.

That's where I personally draw the line....

[Teesa]

i almost wanted to cry when i saw all of the elderly people and mothers with newborn children starving to death in America, supposedly the number one country in the world.

and do you believe that only 20 countries offered to donate money and help?

It's only twenty countries because barely anyone likes America. Seriously.

And I completely agree with antix10_kos. It's not Bush's fault at all, but come on. I just don't understand how they couldn't do anything for four days. That is a really long time for no one to take action in an event like this.

Well, at the very least, Bush admitted that relief efforts are not going well. Thank god he admitted one thing he did was wrong:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_...wh/katrina_bush

[technicolour]

^ They gotta get everyone out. They're in the process of thinking on where to put people, and how to organize and such.


Oh but haven't you heard? The goverment is supposed to be controlling the weather now.

[*mipadi*]

It's only twenty countries because barely anyone likes America. Seriously.

And I completely agree with antix10_kos. It's not Bush's fault at all, but come on. I just don't understand how they couldn't do anything for four days. That is a really long time for no one to take action in an event like this.

Well, at the very least, Bush admitted that relief efforts are not going well. Thank god he admitted one thing he did was wrong:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_...wh/katrina_bush

Well, it's not as though Bush has direct control over FEMA or the National Guard, so how can it be his fault, even if the efforts are not going well?

[technicolour]

^ I was just about to say that.

How exactly is it just Bush's fault? FEMA, National Guard..and whoever else is in charge of the relief efforts.

[Mulder]

^ They gotta get everyone out. They're in the process of thinking on where to put people, and how to organize and such.
Oh but haven't you heard? The goverment is supposed to be controlling the weather now.

haha. how can someone actually blame Bush for the weather? they can blame him for how hes handling the situation, except hes not doing that bad of a job so far. i live in houston. all the buses from new orleans are coming here. new kids are coming to our schools. we've already overfilled the astrodome, and so we're running out of places. thats not bush's fault. there really isnt any place for those people. we already had to turn down a few buses of people.

and im a liberal.

[Ington]

exactly.  You cannot blame Bush for people in the ghetto who insist on being violent and shooting people.  He didn't tell them to do that.  bush didn't sit on tv and say, If there is ever a crisis, please, shoot eachother and the police, steal everything you can get your hands on.  Thats just f**ked up people.  The really stupid thing is these people are clinging onto these material things, when they don't know if they are going to make it through the week.  Its like, what good is a pair of nikes going to do you when you have no food?  So you can stop trying to blame bush for that one.  And you also can't blame Bush for global warming, because global warming began before he was born.  Its a problem we've had for a very long time, and at this rate, we are probably going to keep having it becuase no one seems to know what to do about it.  Watch the Day after Tomorrow.  Yes, the events are extreme, but its all based on the very realy effects of global warming.  Bush didn't start the earth, he didn't start abising resources, so he can;t be blamed.  He is just another product of society.  We all are.  So many of us drive instead of walk.  So this must be your fault.  Whatever.  This could have happened to anyone.  But since it happened here, now its Bush' fault.  I dont support or not support Bush, I don't care, but I do not beleive in bestowing blame where it is not deserved.  And tell me something, since everyone knew about this hurricane over a week before it hit New Orleans, why didn't they get themselves out??!  The people that live there should know better than anyone the kind of damage a hurricane could cause. Many stayed until the day beofre, or even hours before.  Besides, if you saw the footage, since the hurricane had weakened, in theory they all would have survived, but the levy broke and flooded everything.  If that levy hadn't broken, this wouldn't even be an issue.  But who could know the levy would brake.  Who could know the water would start rising.  the thing about natural disasters is that they are unpredicatble.  We can try, but its weather.  Its not going to do what we want it to do.  Things don't always hold up to it the way we wish.  What next?  Are we going to be blaming bush for Tornados that ravage cities?  For not evactuating 150,000 people 3 mnutes before the thing gets there?  Give me a break.

You are my hero.

[coconutter]

This is too much. This is not right. They gave aid faster to the tsanami people than people in our own country

Well, the government is crazy.

The people that live there should know better than anyone the kind of damage a hurricane could cause. Many stayed until the day beofre, or even hours before.

You don't understand, these people are HOMELESS (some are the others are just dumb and I half agree) but more than half the people there are homeless, they have no car no where to go so they had to though it out.

[Mulder]

^ok seriously, we can only do so much. people are going to die. have you seen what its like in lousiana? its like in somalia. they cant give them food separately, or else people will be trampled. in somalia, you cant go and deliver food in an unarmed car, because you wont come out alive. its the same thing here. people are starving. theres slime coming down the walls. and everyones sick, so we cant just throw them anywhere. theres no room. everyones going to houston, and even though houstons a pretty big city, its not thatbig. hospitals cant take them...


what exactly do you want bush, or anyone to do?

[coconutter]

Bush needs to give more than 16 billion because he spends 6 billion in iraq for a useless war. I want someone to get the damn busses in and start sending them to shelters all around the US. USE YOUR HEAD THERES A MILLION WAYS TO HELP.

[Mulder]

but those people wait for buses for 20 hours, then it takes about 8 hrs to get to Houston.
then a few more hours to get them somewhere..in Houston. you want to make them travel, without food, water, clothes, or bathrooms, for longer than that?

we could probably get some to dallas. but right now a lot of people are taking in lousianans in their homes.

those buses cant go anywhere, if theres no room for them.

and btw, most of the furniture stores, churches and synagogues, etc. are letting them sleep there. the astrodome has 15000 people in it. theyre putting people in Reliant park now and...the other one that i cant remember.

sheesh. they're doing the best they can.


and i dont even like bush!

[technicolour]

Bush needs to give more than 16 billion because he spends 6 billion in iraq for a useless war.  I want someone to get the damn busses in and start sending them to shelters all around the US. USE YOUR HEAD THERES A MILLION WAYS TO HELP.

Start naming. I expect a million. Or somewhere in that ballpark.

Amen Michelle. They're doing the best they can. So STOP THE BITCHING cause it definately ISNT helping.

[sadolakced acid]

well, we have to consider that the national guard is partially deployed in iraq, cutting the number of troops that can be quickly mobilized.

not too sure how much a difference that makes.

[technicolour]

^ no offense, but I really dont think it'd make much difference

[coconutter]

They have more options but they're so dumb they're not making them like

Sending in all the nearest busses and take them to the buildings that are offering shelter churchs schools etc...

[Mulder]

^did you read anything i said? come over to houston. tell me if you see any place to put those people.

i live there. i know whats going on here. you dont.

and btw, most of the furniture stores, churches and synagogues, etc. are letting them sleep there. the astrodome has 15000 people in it. theyre putting people in Reliant park now and...the other one that i cant remember.

[Ington]

Insomniac, you sound like a smart person. You're one of the few reality-conscious liberals I know. I just wanted to say.

Coconutter, you don't.

[sadolakced acid]

^ no offense, but I really dont think it'd make much difference

well, it'd make a difference in how many troops are ready to deploy immediatley...

[Mulder]

Insomniac, you sound like a smart person. You're one of the few reality-conscious liberals I know. I just wanted to say.

Coconutter, you don't.

aww thanks!

[coconutter]

Well actually I don't live very close to the affected areas I've just been listening to my democrat family who just hates bush. I'm not just talking about houston there are other places but the best bet it to really just get portajons and like fix the roof sounds okay. I guess I'm not good at politics 0.o

[Mulder]

well, how can you talk about the situation in houston, if you dont know about it.

because houston is the city thats taking in the most people. we've raised sooo much money, we've opened up all the spaces we can...

and are you talking about the roof of the Superdome?
all of the people are so sick that they cant send people there to fix it. its like a toxic waste dump.

its horrible....

[Spirited Away]

^did you read anything i said? come over to houston. tell me if you see any place to put those people.

i live there. i know whats going on here. you dont.

<3 did you listen to Atom Smasher and Maria Todd this morning on 104? people called in to donate COMPUTERS and PRINTERS to folks in the Astrodome and Atom said "I LOVE HOUSTON", and I heartily agree.


< another Houstonian

c0cONuTTeR, we are doing everything we can in these times to help people and this is how things should be. Even Bill Clinton, a DEMOCRAT (i'm emphasizing this because you mentioned your democrat family), is doing his part in raising funds for the relief effort and isn't complaining about the slow response. YES, I AGREE THE RESPONSE TO THIS CATASTROPHE IS SLOW, but it's hardly Bush's fault. Maybe you should look into the politics of this a little before playing the blame game because you're pretty bad at it. Again though, this is NOT yet the time for blamming, do it after these victims are safe and settled.

[technicolour]

Well actually I don't live very close to the affected areas I've just been listening to my democrat family who just hates bush.  I'm not just talking about houston there are other places but the best bet it to really just get portajons and like fix the roof sounds okay.  I guess I'm not good at politics 0.o

You're getting a fairly biased view then. Watch the news. Make the judgements for yourself.

Michelle is the smartest and least a-hole liberal I know.


Justin: It does matter on that..but..how many would there be?

[coconutter]

<3 did you listen to Atom Smasher and Maria Todd this morning on 104? people called in to donate COMPUTERS and PRINTERS to folks in the Astrodome and Atom said "I LOVE HOUSTON", and I heartily agree.
< another Houstonian

c0cONuTTeR, we are doing everything we can in these times to help people and this is how things should be. Even Bill Clinton, a DEMOCRAT (i'm emphasizing this because you mentioned your democrat family), is doing his part in raising funds for the relief effort and isn't complaining about the slow response. YES, I AGREE THE RESPONSE TO THIS CATASTROPHE IS SLOW, but it's hardly Bush's fault. Maybe you should look into the politics of this a little before playing the blame game because you're pretty bad at it. Again though, this is NOT yet the time for blamming, do it after these victims are safe and settled.

Well said. I never really meant to blame it on bush actually, this whole thing is so awful >.<

[Mulder]

im getting compliments for my non-a-hole-ness! yay! [/spam]

[sadolakced acid]

Justin: It does matter on that..but..how many would there be?

well, when hurricane andrew hit, it was quite like this, and thursday morning they knew by nightfall it would be complete anarchy, every person for them selves, whoever has the biggest gun wins. so that morning they had a press conferece saying "we're going to lose control of the area by nightfall, and there will be many, many more casualties."

in one hour 20000 some (not completely sure about the number, but it was a lot, and i think i twas 20000, just not sure.) troops were already deployed, with equipement, and by night they were serving hot meal dinners.

i mean, sure there are nat. guard troops home, but they're not all close to the disaster area, a lot of equipment like half ton trucks and humvees are in iraq, a lot of troops are on home leave after an iraqi tour, and thus aren't really prepared to be called up.

in fact, i think the only nat. guard that has been sent was guardsmen due to be shipped out to iraq.

[*xcaitlinx*]

I watched the news throughout the day and i'm somewhat happier at the progress the government's been making. (even though it's pretty damn slow) i feel bad for all of hte people that have to spend months in the astrodome...i don't know hwat i'd do if i was in that situation.

[technicolour]

well, when hurricane andrew hit,  it was quite like this, and thursday morning they knew by nightfall it would be complete anarchy, every person for them selves, whoever has the biggest gun wins.  so that morning they had a press conferece saying "we're going to lose control of the area by nightfall, and there will be many, many more casualties."

in one hour 20000 some (not completely sure about the number, but it was a lot, and i think i twas 20000, just not sure.) troops were already deployed, with equipement, and by night they were serving hot meal dinners.

i mean, sure there are nat. guard troops home, but they're not all close to the disaster area,  a lot of equipment like half ton trucks and humvees are in iraq, a lot of troops are on home leave after an iraqi tour, and thus aren't really prepared to be called up.

in fact, i think the only nat. guard that has been sent was guardsmen due to be shipped out to iraq.

Huh. Did not know this...

It would definately speed things up a bit.

caytexo- your last post...well..it made you seem somewhat arrogant...but eh -shrug-

[*xcaitlinx*]

caytexo- your last post...well..it made you seem somewhat arrogant...but eh      -shrug-

how so?

[demolished]

It's not Bush's fault. Is there a way to control natural disaster. Nope. =D

But i think it's a good thing that Bush send troops in Iraq. If he didnt, shitload of people would've died of the hurricane

[*xcaitlinx*]

^ talking about iraq is off-topic...and that sentence doens't even make sense in the first place.

a "shitload" of people died of the hurricane already, evne though there are troops stationed in iraq. more than 1,000.

[*disco infiltrator*]

*sigh*

New Orleans has some pretty poor parts of town. All the people who had enough money to get out did. Those who were too poor could not. Don't say there's a bus service..how can a single bus service evacuate millions of people? No. Come on now. They weren't like, "Oh, a hurricane's coming in a week? I think I'll stay to see what happens." People aren't that freaking stupid.

I agree those that could've gotten out should've, but it's true, some people couldn't. I'm still pretty curious about the prisoners in jail and what happened to them.....

People aren't saying the Bush administration is at fault for the hurricane; that's absurd. However, they had lots of notice. Shouldn't they have emergency food sources prepared for this very situation? After 9/11, the government had a group of qualified people get together and discern which cities were most vulnerable to natural disasters. New Orleans was deemed to be #2. You would think that when someone looks at a weather map and sees a gigantic hurricane covering the entire Gulf Coast and knows that the people there are very, very vulnerable to said disaster, there would be something done about it. People aren't appalled at the fact that there was a hurricane..that's not what the blame is for. It's the fact that they did know 2 or 3 days in advance that the hurricane was rated at a 5 and they know long ago that New Orleans is under sea level and nothing was done. No food storage, no water storage, no plan of what to do if the city flooded..nothing. No one had any idea of what to do, and if these people don't get food and water really, really soon they will DIE. Moving them to a different sports stadium really doesn't do much, especially when you fill it up so quickly. They need food and water now, and with our country being so high and mighty, it's amazing that we have no plans of anything to help them. We're so quick to send mass amounts of food, water, money, soldiers, etc. to so many other countries, but we can't even help those in our own?

What's done is done, some people didn't get out. Complaining about that does nothing right now. Let's make sure they live before we start worrying about rebuilding and whatever.

If we have so much to give, why is it so hard to send some down there?

[*nightmare4taki*]

http://www.pixelmd.com/kanye.html

I agree with what Kanye is saying mos def in the video clip of the link that Steven gave me.

George Bush doesn't care about black people

LMAO

Watch how Mike Myers looks at Kanye afterwards, very funny.

[*xcaitlinx*]

*sigh*

New Orleans has some pretty poor parts of town. All the people who had enough money to get out did. Those who were too poor could not. Don't say there's a bus service..how can a single bus service evacuate millions of people? No. Come on now. They weren't like, "Oh, a hurricane's coming in a week? I think I'll stay to see what happens." People aren't that freaking stupid.

I agree those that could've gotten out should've, but it's true, some people couldn't. I'm still pretty curious about the prisoners in jail and what happened to them.....

People aren't saying the Bush administration is at fault for the hurricane; that's absurd. However, they had lots of notice. Shouldn't they have emergency food sources prepared for this very situation? After 9/11, the government had a group of qualified people get together and discern which cities were most vulnerable to natural disasters. New Orleans was deemed to be #2. You would think that when someone looks at a weather map and sees a gigantic hurricane covering the entire Gulf Coast and knows that the people there are very, very vulnerable to said disaster, there would be something done about it. People aren't appalled at the fact that there was a hurricane..that's not what the blame is for. It's the fact that they did know 2 or 3 days in advance that the hurricane was rated at a 5 and they know long ago that New Orleans is under sea level and nothing was done. No food storage, no water storage, no plan of what to do if the city flooded..nothing. No one had any idea of what to do, and if these people don't get food and water really, really soon they will DIE. Moving them to a different sports stadium really doesn't do much, especially when you fill it up so quickly. They need food and water now, and with our country being so high and mighty, it's amazing that we have no plans of anything to help them. We're so quick to send mass amounts of food, water, money, soldiers, etc. to so many other countries, but we can't even help those in our own?

What's done is done, some people didn't get out. Complaining about that does nothing right now. Let's make sure they live before we start worrying about rebuilding and whatever.

If we have so much to give, why is it so hard to send some down there?

i agree completely. people are saying that everyone HAD the chance to get out before the hurricane hit...which wasn't the case most of the time. yes, some people that were indenial didn't evacuate because they chose not to, but that's THEIR fault. there were those that had no way to get out so you can't blame them and say that there was some possible way for them to evacuate. it's difficult, especially if you're disabled and in a WHEELCHAIR, to get out of new orleans when there's a hurricane. the population in new orleans ALONE is over a million. you really think there were enough buses to evacuate a million people? i think not.

edit // i just watched that clip. kanye is my hero. lmao..i can't believe he said that.

[technicolour]

http://www.pixelmd.com/kanye.html

I agree with what Kanye is saying mos def in the video clip of the link that Steven gave me.

George Bush doesn't care about black people

LMAO

Oh my gosh. I'm suprised he hasn't gotten shot at by some white folk.

lmao..but that was effing hilarious..

[*nightmare4taki*]

^ Mike Myers was looking at Kanye Like STFU. Im going to be laugh everytime I look at this. Kanye was stuttering and his voice was all raspy like he was nervous or something.

[Teesa]

Well, it's not as though Bush has direct control over FEMA or the National Guard, so how can it be his fault, even if the efforts are not going well?

I never said it was his fault.

[*mipadi*]

I never said it was his fault.

Well, you said:

Well, at the very least, Bush admitted that relief efforts are not going well. Thank god he admitted one thing he did was wrong:

[pandamonium]

OMG I JUST WATCHED IT. that is so crazy. lol kanye will speak anything on his mind.

[Teesa]

Well, you said:

Oh, sorry, I was referring to the situation in Iraq as being one of the things he did wrong, not the hurricane. I apologize.

[*mipadi*]

I came across a fairly interesting article that seems relevant:

"Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.

"'The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around,' said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.

"Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed." [1]

"But Louisiana State University engineer Joseph Suhayda and others have warned for years that defenses could fail. In 2002, the New Orleans Times Picayune published a five-part series on 'The Big One' examining what might happen if they did.

"It predicted that 200,000 people or more would be unwilling or unable to heed evacuation orders and thousands would die, that people would be housed in the Superdome, that aid workers would find it difficult to gain access to the city as roads became impassable, as well as many other of the consequences that actually unfolded after Katrina hit this week." [2]

A lot of the problems just seem to be more government bureaucracy. The article notes that FEMA has become so ineffectual because it is now a part of the Department of Homeland Security (the largest department in the US government), and is considered unimportant by many in DHS. (FEMA used to be an independent agency.)

[jEllyBeaNs]

i dont think bush is at fault, but he is not doing anything to make taht situation better. he has our soldiers in Iraq for a stupid war, when he could bring our troops home to help us. Bush is a HORRIBLE president!!! he cant even say a speech right without sayin umm... umm.. for goodness sake he cant even say america. man i cant stand bush! he needs to get his lazy but up and do sumthin about the survivors of the katrina, immediately! it shouldn't be takin this long!!!!

[Im So Vain]

*sigh*

New Orleans has some pretty poor parts of town. All the people who had enough money to get out did. Those who were too poor could not. Don't say there's a bus service..how can a single bus service evacuate millions of people? No. Come on now. They weren't like, "Oh, a hurricane's coming in a week? I think I'll stay to see what happens." People aren't that freaking stupid.

I agree those that could've gotten out should've, but it's true, some people couldn't. I'm still pretty curious about the prisoners in jail and what happened to them.....

People aren't saying the Bush administration is at fault for the hurricane; that's absurd. However, they had lots of notice. Shouldn't they have emergency food sources prepared for this very situation? After 9/11, the government had a group of qualified people get together and discern which cities were most vulnerable to natural disasters. New Orleans was deemed to be #2. You would think that when someone looks at a weather map and sees a gigantic hurricane covering the entire Gulf Coast and knows that the people there are very, very vulnerable to said disaster, there would be something done about it. People aren't appalled at the fact that there was a hurricane..that's not what the blame is for. It's the fact that they did know 2 or 3 days in advance that the hurricane was rated at a 5 and they know long ago that New Orleans is under sea level and nothing was done. No food storage, no water storage, no plan of what to do if the city flooded..nothing. No one had any idea of what to do, and if these people don't get food and water really, really soon they will DIE. Moving them to a different sports stadium really doesn't do much, especially when you fill it up so quickly. They need food and water now, and with our country being so high and mighty, it's amazing that we have no plans of anything to help them. We're so quick to send mass amounts of food, water, money, soldiers, etc. to so many other countries, but we can't even help those in our own?

What's done is done, some people didn't get out. Complaining about that does nothing right now. Let's make sure they live before we start worrying about rebuilding and whatever.

If we have so much to give, why is it so hard to send some down there?

Well okay I read through this whole thread, and you seriously seem to be the only person who is on point with their information . I just watched 20/20 on this tonight so I am a little more enlightened myself. Everyone is like yeah "Bush cant control the weather", and "those people should have been smart enough to evacuate if they knew it was coming". But like what you^ said Bush and the so-called government should have been prepared for this, since they had notice. And DUH many of the people who were really affected by Katrina could not afford to go anywhere else. I just feel really sorry for those people, and hope that they are able to recover soon enough. And by people blaming this on racism will not make the situation any better. Racism could very well be a factor, but pointing fingers saying that the president or whoever else is racist will not get the people in New Orleans out of their situation.

[SillyCourtney]

"If we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" asked former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Republican.

I think that just about sums up what's going on here. Taken us four days to get down there and do something.. pathetic. But hey, this is America.

And hey, I live in Houston and my school is getting even more crowded because we're taking in Louisiana kids..

I'm liberal, I don't like Bush.. and I especially don't like the fact it took him and the government so long to do something. The fact that the police don't even have control in New Orleans only makes things worse.

Seriously, everyone is getting so mad over this, but the same people who are bitching are doing nothing to help out the situation. I don't like it either, but I'm not going to sit and bitch about it if there's nothing I can do to make it better.

[Ington]

i dont think bush is at fault, but he is not doing anything to make taht situation better. he has our soldiers in Iraq for a stupid war, when he could bring our troops home to help us.  Bush is a HORRIBLE president!!! he cant even say a speech right without sayin umm... umm.. for goodness sake he cant even say america. man i cant stand bush! he needs to get his lazy but up and do sumthin about the survivors of the katrina, immediately! it shouldn't be takin this long!!!!

How about you shut up and die? You do nothing but talk about blind racism and "omfg BUSH SUCKS". Just shut the hell up.

The reason why its taking so long is because the people there refuse to comply with federal officials. They shoot down helicopters, police cars, fire trucks, everything with authority.

The area with the damage is populated by projects. I just turned on the news to find out that they are now BURNING BUILDINGS. Does that sound so helpful?

There are innocent people there. They are just hard to get to due to all the troublemakers.

[*xcaitlinx*]

^ i truly don't understand why these people would make matters worse by trying to SHOOT DOWN the helicopters that are caring food and supplies to them!

[*tweeak*]

No, niether do we. Or anyone else remotely sane.

[*mipadi*]

i mean, sure there are nat. guard troops home, but they're not all close to the disaster area,  a lot of equipment like half ton trucks and humvees are in iraq, a lot of troops are on home leave after an iraqi tour, and thus aren't really prepared to be called up.

Well, the equipment issue shouldn't be a big problem--National Guard units usually don't have much in the way of equipment anyway, and when they go to Iraq, they don't use their own--they get issued heavy equipment like Humvees and 5-ton trucks. And if they are on leave, they can likely be recalled to duty to cover an emergency such as Katrina without any problem whatsoever.

There is, of course, still the issue that if they have been deployed abroad, then they're not at home to help with such emergencies.

[coconutter]

Haha at the end that whole "george bush doesn't carea about black people" was totally random and he was like looking at him like he was crazy =D

[Mulder]

about the whole helicopter thing:

its just like in somalia. if you go into somalia unarmed and give them food, they will shoot you down. they think that if they bring the helicopters down they can have all the food.

a news team was going to give some food to a woman who had just had a baby, but the sheriff stopped her because he said that if she gave food to that family, they would die. they would be trampled to death.


*off topic*: due to the fact that everyone was so interested in katrina, no one knew what happened in Iraq. 1000 people were trampled to death.

[*tweeak*]

^um, 800 or so mainly women or children died on a pilgramige to mecca or something

[Mulder]

didnt know that....

other places need help besides the gulf coast

[medic]

Of course he was. The government freakin knew that there was going to be a hurricane that fell under catergory 3, and that it had the potential to become a catergory 4 or even 5.

i don't UNDERSTAND why louisiana, alabama, and mississippi didn't have state and federal troops ready BEFORE the hurricane hit so that they could deal with the problem and have a PLAN.

clearly, bush slacked off and was unprepared. he won't admit that there is a lack of troops in the south because they're all stationed in IRAQ. speaking of which, maybe some of you saw on good morning america when diane sawyer asked about this situation and guess what his answer was? "commercial break". yep. he DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER WHY THERE'S A LACK OF FEDERAL TROOPS BECAUSE HE KNEW DAMN WELL THAT THEY WERE ALL IN IRAQ.

to be quite honest, i still can't believe this is happening. like i've said, only in america, under the power of george w. bush, would something like this get so out of hand that people are looting gun stores, looting houses, DYING IN THE STREETS, KILLING AND RAPING people, and leaving corpses to be eaten by rats. it makes me absolutely sick to my stomach and depressed to watch cnn and see cooper anderson<3 crying....as the f**king politicians are literally THANKING eachother and saying how much of a tremendous job they are doing as peoples' corpses are LYING ON THE STREETS and PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.

where am i?

Bush can not do anything till a state declairs a state of emergency. And common SENSE would have told him not to send 40,000 people and millions worth of supplys into areas that were going to get destroyd in the first place. And you can't sit and blame Bush for some peoples reactions and what they do. If you were in his shoes you would know this, and Anderson Cooper is a f**king JOKE, along with that Rovera guy, all they can do is find a few babies that are at the super dome with there parents as they are getting on a BUS to get out of the city. The media itself is a joke, go donate to the Christens Children Fund so they can take 50 cents out of every dollar they make and pay big networks for spreading there name.

You also don't hear on the news about the Church's that are saying on there broadcasting shows and such that New Orland's deserved it.

[*tweeak*]

Bush can not do anything till a state declairs a state of emergency. And common SENSE would have told him not to send 40,000 people and millions worth of supplys into areas that were going to get destroyd in the first place.

seriously