should schools be allowed to start before 8AM? Options

[*tweeak*]

I'm going to attempt to use this as a topic for a persuasive essay, but before we can get the topics approved, we have to basically debate with the teacher on it, so I'd like to be prepared for some of the arguements I'll be up against. Please provide thoughtful reasoning on your opinion, as to why it's important for schools to begin at one time or another

[dahalfkoreanstyl]

no for basically two reasons off the top of my head

1- for people like me who lives far away from school, u have to wake up extra early to get there, my school started 7:30 am, i woke up at 5:30am to catch the bus which would take 1 hr to get there cuz of traffic, 1 HOUR TO GO LITERALLY 11 MILES!!!!

thank God im in college now, i just walk everywhere
2- sometimes students get home too early and parents dont finish work yet so they are left unsupervised (can be a problem if too young or not responsible)

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Yes, the school should be able to decide when it starts since you are attending the school and not the other way around. If you don't like the time, switch schools. If you don't want to switch schools, sleep earlier.

[sadolakced acid]

no.

schools traditionally start early because of convenince to parents and public transportation.

students can use public transport after adults who do service industry, who get to work at 5:00, and before white collar, who get to work at 9:00

this way students don't use subways or buses or roadways at peak rush hour.

also, white collar parents can drop off the kids on the way to work.

however, with the new no child left behind school ratings, schools must sacrafice the convinence of parents for the education of the students.

this is much less imporantant for elementary schools, but when children hit puberty, their circadian cycle slows down, and it takes two or more hours longer for sleepyness to set in (and to wake up) than it does adults.

therefore; schools should, to benifit student performance, not start any earlier than 9:00.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

this is much less imporantant for elementary schools, but when children hit puberty, their circadian cycle slows down, and it takes two or more hours longer for sleepyness to set in (and to wake up) than it does adults.

True, but students can still easily forced surpress this urge and wake up at the peak of dawn.

[sadolakced acid]

^

this, however, has been proven to lower congitive ability in classes before 12 AM, significantly lowering it in the first class of the day, also it lowers immune systems and raises tempers.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Early or not, many students face stress in their educational and social life. Would waking up a little early highly affect the amout of stress put on the students?

[TwistMe]

My school already starts before 8 AM. It starts at 7:35, I thought other schools did the same....weird.

Well, ultimately it is the school's decision to change the time if they wanted. The students would then have to adapt to the new time, by choosing to sleep earlier to get the right amount of sleep. It sort of depends on how much earlier it would start. If it were by a couple of minutes I don't think that would matter much.

A counter-argument might be that if it starts too early kids might not have the time to eat breakfast. The schools always emphasizes how important it is to eat breakfast.

If the school were to make the start time earlier the teachers would then have to get to school even earlier. Some teachers might object to that, so you never know.

Another bad thing is that maybe the fact that the school started at eight helped the parents too. Most jobs start at 8 too, so it gave an opportunity for carpools. If it were to start earlier the parents would have to wake up earlier just to drive their kids to school. The parents would then find it a hassle, and lose maybe an hour of sleep.

Yea, well there's my two cents. I hope you do well on your essay! I always have a hard time with essays.

[ApocalypseAelis]

^Is your name Alice? o_O My name is Alice too.

[/offtopicness]

My school starts at 8:10...

No, I don't think schools should allow classes to start before 8 AM...students need their rest. If we force students to wake up earlier, they might not have enough strength or energy to learn or work...8 am is just the right time to begin exercising your mind and forcing students to wake earlier will cause a drop in efficiency instead of a rise.

[haleakala1]

My school starts at 8 am but I wouldn't mind it being earlier because i'm usually up at 6:30 am

[sadolakced acid]

Early or not, many students face stress in their educational and social life. Would waking up a little early highly affect the amout of stress put on the students?

how is that relavant?

i've given ample evidence that says if schools want students to do better they should not start earlier. you have not provided any facts saying that starting earlier is better for any reason.

sure a school can start earlier. test scores will suffer.

[demolished]

how is that relavant? 

i've given ample evidence that says if schools want students to do better they should not start earlier.  you have not provided any facts saying that starting earlier is better for any reason.

sure a school can start earlier.  test scores will suffer.

I know man, test score does suffer! I want some time to review for the test so i dont forget easily. Even though, i should've wake up earlier but i want to watch Smallville (superman) new episode at 8:00pm (it was at 10:00pm).


Even if it was at 10:00, it still does share some same problems.

[Mulder]

my school starts at 7:45
10 minutes earlier than last yr...
they made the school day 10 min longer, but at least they added it to lunch...

but anyway, im basically brain dead @ 8 am. i cant think...much less do well in classes. if i had a test in 1st per....id sooo fail. i understand that some people are morning people..but most of us arent. however, it is a school's right as to whether they want to start school before 8 or not. some schools start at 7!

[ParanoidAndroid]

If you think about it schools that start before 8 end a lil early (sometimes). And it really is no problem for me. I am insomniac (my parents don't know that i am) and I can barely sleep. So I don't mind. Besides it is the school's decision and schools decide what is the best to organize the time not your decision.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

how is that relavant? 

i've given ample evidence that says if schools want students to do better they should not start earlier.  you have not provided any facts saying that starting earlier is better for any reason.

sure a school can start earlier.  test scores will suffer.

Facts you say? Well then, if high schools were to start after 8, then both middle schools and elementary schools would have to start after 9 and 10. Schools would have to end later and shorten the time of after school activities(such as after school football practice or soccer). The school bus schedule after school would arrive around 5(for the elementary schools) in the midst of rush hour delaying the student's time time to get home.(yes, my school buses do go on the highway).

[ParanoidAndroid]

Facts you say? Well then, if high schools were to start after 8, then both middle schools and elementary schools would have to start after 9 and 10. Schools would have to end later and shorten the time of after school activities(such as after school football practice or soccer). The school bus schedule after school would arrive around 5(for the elementary schools) in the midst of rush hour delaying the student's time time to get home.(yes, my school buses do go on the highway).

I love your opinions. You rock.

[dahalfkoreanstyl]

more time sitting in rush hour, more gas wasted, more tax money spent on schools, the average full school bus only gets about 7 miles per gallon!!!

"Fairfax uses 3.5 million gallons of fuel yearly to run its fleet. School officials budgeted $4.85 million for fuel this year, a 33 percent increase from last year's fuel budget of $3.65 million. If gas prices continue to soar, officials are not sure where the extra money will come from." -Washington Post

and nobody wants to pay more taxes, therefore budget cuts within the school system

with this said, i would still have schools start later because i dont want to wake up so early, i pay taxes too and if paying a little extra means we can start school later, then so be it

[ParanoidAndroid]

The time when school begins is like I said, the school's decision. No matter how stupid we think or how good or bad we think it is, it's their decision. We can't change those things no matter what we do unless we are the people of the school board. Starting school a little early may be good in a different point of view but you must be forgetting that the staff of school will also have to wake up EARLIER. So not only did they think about what they thought was good for school but they did NOT think about their wants. I say school should start later but if a school decides to start earlier it is their decision and their free will that we cannot control.

[*tweeak*]

that's not entirely true. besides which, this is a topic in which we provide valid reasoning for why schools should start at a certain time. saying that's the way it is isn't going to cut it

[sadolakced acid]

wow, thanks for throwing my facts right back at me, those transportation issues.

already said, if that's a problem, screw it. schools should be about learning, not convenience.

and why can't after school activities move before school then?

[Paradox of Life]

Schools do start before 8 AM and there's nothing you can do about it. Saying 'should they be allowed' is as if all schools start 8 AM or later already. Mine starts at 7:20 AM. I don't think it matters what time school starts. If you can get enough sleep and function well, good. Whatever the curriculum thinks is reasonable should be reasonable enough. Although, I don't think it's reasonable to have to be at the bus stop at 7...

[*tweeak*]

we start at 7:15 and will still have some before school clubs. i make a point not to join them, but that's beside the point

and once again, the main purpose of this is for me to gather arguements for and against my point that our school should begin last than it does for the sake of our education. we're not trying to seirously make a difference here; it's not a petition, it's a debate so honestly, you cannot just say "many schools start before 8" because that's just giving in to the system and contains no persuasion at all.

[mai_z]

[QUOTEFacts you say? Well then, if high schools were to start after 8, then both middle schools and elementary schools would have to start after 9 and 10. Schools would have to end later and shorten the time of after school activities(such as after school football practice or soccer). The school bus schedule after school would arrive around 5(for the elementary schools) in the midst of rush hour delaying the student's time time to get home.(yes, my school buses do go on the highway).[/QUOTE]

I went to the only arts school in the city for elementary school, so we were basically forced to start after 9 (we started at 9:30) because students had to get from all over the city to school. Classes didn't end until 4, and kids didn't get home till around five. 'What does this have to do with the topic?' you ask...well we had the highest average in the entire school board. It's virtually impossible to ask students to function at peak performance that early in the morning, because they need their sleep. If they had to get to school at 8, and perhaps wake up around 6:30, they would all be sleeping in class instead of learning.

[*xcaitlinx*]

definitely not. i think that high school should start around 9:00AM and end later because teenagers need the most sleep and according to studies, it's harder for us to fall asleep early (like 10pm) and get a good night's sleep.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

already said, if that's a problem, screw it. schools should be about learning, not convenience.

and why can't after school activities move before school then?

1. School should be about both. A school with good teachers but horrid convienence is bad as well as a school that opens after 8 but lacks educational quality.
2. Most sport activities last for at least 4-5 hours, so unless you want to start at 4 AM, that's not a good idea.

I went to the only arts school in the city for elementary school, so we were basically forced to start after 9 (we started at 9:30) because students had to get from all over the city to school. Classes didn't end until 4, and kids didn't get home till around five. 'What does this have to do with the topic?' you ask...well we had the highest average in the entire school board. It's virtually impossible to ask students to function at peak performance that early in the morning, because they need their sleep. If they had to get to school at 8, and perhaps wake up around 6:30, they would all be sleeping in class instead of learning.

1. If schools were fowarded, then it could be inconvienient(sp? sorry I suck at spelling) for bus drivers, students, parents, teachers alike.
2. As you said they need their sleep, so it is the students decision when to sleep, if they didn't get enough sleep, it is their fault, not the schools.

I love your opinions. You rock.

AWw...Thx. Here is a flower:

[sadolakced acid]

1. School should be about both. A school with good teachers but horrid convienence is bad as well as a school that opens after 8 but lacks educational quality.

no. the sole purpose of a school should be to provide the best education for students, not to provide convenience for white collar workers and transit systems.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

no.  the sole purpose of a school should be to provide the best education for students, not to provide convenience for white collar workers and transit systems.

If that is so, then wouldn't you say that when the schools starts shouldn't matter?

[sadolakced acid]

If that is so, then wouldn't you say that when the schools starts shouldn't matter?

no, when schools start should be influenced purely by what creates the best learning environment- and this is after 9 am.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

no, when schools start should be influenced purely by what creates the best learning environment- and this is after 9 am.

Hmm...we are kinda going in circles with this debate.

[racoons > you]

^

well, you are, mainly because you're using the same argument after it has already been refuted

= )

[ParanoidAndroid]

1. School should be about both. A school with good teachers but horrid convienence is bad as well as a school that opens after 8 but lacks educational quality.
2. Most sport activities last for at least 4-5 hours, so unless you want to start at 4 AM, that's not a good idea.

1. If schools were fowarded, then it could be inconvienient(sp? sorry I suck at spelling) for bus drivers, students, parents, teachers alike.
2. As you said they need their sleep, so it is the students decision when to sleep, if they didn't get enough sleep, it is their fault, not the schools.

AWw...Thx. Here is a flower:

Thank you. You really do put up a good fight. I SAY SCHOOL START AFTER 8!

[antix10_kos]

Here's the opinion part of my reply:

From grades 8-11, my school started at 7:30 am and got out at 2:50 pm. I had to get up at 5:30 to catch the bus. I'd come home and crash most of the time, esp. if I didn't get to nap in my morning classes....my performance did suffer, but I don't blame it wholy on lack of sleep either...

Now, I think that are alternatives to starting school so early in the day:

1) Start Later.

Wow, there's a simple one. How about switching start dates for elem. and secondary. schools? Well, this was actually considered in the district where I attended high school. It was shot down because of extra-curricular activities. If our high school didn't get out until 3:45, then our practices would be delayed and transportation to away events would clash with rush hour and chances are, it would mess with the scheduling of events since other districts in our area let out around 3:00. Also, a lot of secondary students watch younger siblings after school and not having them home to do so would put unnecessary strain on families and schools.

2) 4-Day Schedules

This is an actual solution right here: 4 Day Week. That's the whole document, for those who want to read it unchopped. Jump To The Research and Articles Section. There's the meat of you want to know. Now, how does this 4-Day Week help with early start times? The students generally have to go to school an extra 90 minutes a day to make it work...but think about it. A whole day off? 3 day weekends every weekend? A slew of optional programs that could help with educational process and make it easier for students to recieve tutoring and make up work and tests?? It's also been shown to help cash strapped districts cut costs. Families get more time to spend together, it's easier to schedule appointments, and secondary students can sleep in.

3) Flex Schedules

This was and is being discussed in the district where I attended high school and my nieces still attend school there. It would only be an option for secondary students, though. I think right now it is still in the formative stages for the high school because the hs in my hometown is hellishly overcrowded. Basically, students could choose whether to attend school from 6am to 1pm or from 11am to 5pm. Students could add extra hours if they wanted or they could take only the minimum depending on how many credits they need. They could choose to take classes as blocks or single hours and could work community service hours, tutoring and sports and band practices in during the day. It would also help facilitate work release, college release, and personal appointments. It's also been suggested that it could help cut transportation costs and other expenses, but it's been tied up in legislation for awhile here.


As you see, if schools are really interested in thinking outside of the box or desperate, they can come up with creative solutions to their problems.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

^

well, you are, mainly because you're using the same argument after it has already been refuted

= )

Yea I am, and it really bothers me since I honestly don't argree with what I'm saying. Just thought it might be something fun to debate about. Anywho, my main point was that if schools were to start later, then it would eff up other pplz's schedules. With that being said, it would be kinda sophmoric for the students to make it easier for them, but harder on everyone else.

[mai_z]

Thank you. You really do put up a good fight. I SAY SCHOOL START AFTER 8!

Um...i'm pretty sure he's arguing for school to start BEFORE 8

School should be about both. A school with good teachers but horrid convienence is bad as well as a school that opens after 8 but lacks educational quality.

Asumming your argument IS true, one has to take priority over another. In this case, it should be the education of the students.

If schools were fowarded, then it could be inconvienient(sp? sorry I suck at spelling) for bus drivers, students, parents, teachers alike.

Sorry, but what does "forwarded" mean in your argument? Moved forward?

2. As you said they need their sleep, so it is the students decision when to sleep, if they didn't get enough sleep, it is their fault, not the schools.

Yes, but it would entirely eff up their biological clock on a schedule moved up so early, and they wouldn't be able to function properly with the rest of their community.

[Jeng]

it should ..min estarts at 7:30 ends at 2 something liek 210

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Asumming your argument IS true, one has to take priority over another. In this community.

True, but the other can not be un-looked.

Sorry, but what does "forwarded" mean in your argument? Moved forward?

Sorry about that, I mean if the school had opened after 8.

Yes, but it would entirely eff up their biological clock on a schedule moved up so early, and they wouldn't be able to function properly with the rest of their community.

I highly doubt waking up a little early would eff them up. Sure, it might cause a little sleepiness, but nothing close to extreme situations.

[Spirited Away]

I went to the only arts school in the city for elementary school, so we were basically forced to start after 9 (we started at 9:30) because students had to get from all over the city to school. Classes didn't end until 4, and kids didn't get home till around five. 'What does this have to do with the topic?' you ask...well we had the highest average in the entire school board. It's virtually impossible to ask students to function at peak performance that early in the morning, because they need their sleep. If they had to get to school at 8, and perhaps wake up around 6:30, they would all be sleeping in class instead of learning.

I seriously think that this depends on individuals. For four years in high school, I wake up at 5:30am to catch the buss at 6-6:15am and I do not have a problem with staying awake in class. If staying awake in class is hard, students should try going to bed 11pm at the latest instead of chating or talking nonsense on the phone at night. If you're concerned about how well I did in school, I graduated in the top 8%-9% of my class with 3-5 as scores for AP testings (I didn't test for all my AP classes though -__- no money). For the last year, I've been waking up at 6am to work out in the morning before going to school. Again, I have no problem with keeping myself awake through out the day unless I stayed up past 12 the night before. Also, on days that I do wake up later for classes, I find that I am easily distracted in class.

I don't think the argument that students do worse when they have to wake up early is very credible because it doesn't pertain to everyone. Some folks are morning people and some aren't.

[sadolakced acid]

up to 5 % of teenagers are thought to have an abnormally delayed circadian cycle and cannot fall asleep befoer 2 am and cannot wake up before 10 am. if they are forced to wake up earlier their work suffers.

that's 1 in 20, or at least one in every class.

[Spirited Away]

up to 5 % of teenagers are thought to have an abnormally delayed circadian cycle and cannot fall asleep befoer 2 am and cannot wake up before 10 am.  if they are forced to wake up earlier their work suffers.

that's 1 in 20, or at least one in every class.

wouldn't those be considered as special needs students?

[AngryBaby]

haha thats how i feel on some days ^

but usually when i get a bad grade i know the reason and it not because of sleep deprivation

[yellowgurl]

No, because most students have lack of sleep already like me I enjoy having school AFTER 8 and i find that i can make sure I have the enough sleep and focus for the next school day. So.... no it shouldnt no sleep no focus. BAD LEARNING

[*tweeak*]

wouldn't those be considered as special needs students?

no, i'm defintitely one of those students who falls under that category, and i'm qualified as "gifted"

[*mipadi*]

up to 5 % of teenagers are thought to have an abnormally delayed circadian cycle and cannot fall asleep befoer 2 am and cannot wake up before 10 am.  if they are forced to wake up earlier their work suffers.

that's 1 in 20, or at least one in every class.

Is this merely a statement of a fact, or do you mean to suggest that the schoolday should be altered to accomodate that 5%?

[Spirited Away]

no, i'm defintitely one of those students who falls under that category, and i'm qualified as "gifted"

are all students with your condition considered as 'gifted'?

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

I'd rather have school start before 8, so you can get out earlier.

[HongKongDong]

Helllll Noooo!!!

I don't wake up until like... 7:45 >:P

I'm always late to first period.

[*tweeak*]

are all students with your condition considered as 'gifted'? 

no, gifted is determined by iq, not our sleep patterns. i meant that it's not very well going to qualify as a special need if you need different sleep hours. they're not going to let anyone go at different times, and they're not going to let you do worse work because of it. but i was much better in school in middle school when we started at 9:20 rather than 7:15. Now, yes, work got harder, but I'm genuinely slower than I used to be and I think that's largely due to this forced sleep schedule. during the summer, i was altogether far more able to do things, i was happier, better in social situations (for example, I've been a complete bitch lately but I can't control it), and my reading comprehension was back up to its former level. Now i've digressed.

[sadolakced acid]

Is this merely a statement of a fact, or do you mean to suggest that the schoolday should be altered to accomodate that 5%?

it's a statemenet of fact

that's the extreme.

biologically, teenagers when have hit puberty have a delayed cicardian cycle, but not as much as in that example. a 9:00 start would see a jump in test scores- which many schools want to do.

statistics show that schools that start later do better, when economics and population are factored out.

[Spirited Away]

no, gifted is determined by iq, not our sleep patterns. i meant that it's not very well going to qualify as a special need if you need different sleep hours. they're not going to let anyone go at different times, and they're not going to let you do worse work because of it. but i was much better in school in middle school when we started at 9:20 rather than 7:15. Now, yes, work got harder, but I'm genuinely slower than I used to be and I think that's largely due to this forced sleep schedule. during the summer, i was altogether far more able to do things, i was happier, better in social situations (for example, I've been a complete bitch lately but I can't control it), and my reading comprehension was back up to its former level. Now i've digressed.

to the very first sentence, that much is clear. for some reason, a lot of people think that special needs are for those who are mentally retarded or have some kind of physical setback, but it also pertains to special learning needs. i'm just not pulling this out of my butt either. most sleep problems occurs in people with special needs, so i had figured that you'd qualified even if you are gifted. but, i just researched and it is unfortunate that schools don't provide programs to accommodate those with sleep disorders. as you already know well, this keeps you from making the best of your gifted abilities. i digress, too, but i learned something new.

[*tweeak*]

I actually knew that somewhat, because at one point we were informed that gifted qualified as special needs, somewhat, but it doesn't really do much good to have an odd sleep patter count as a special need, because no one is ever going to recognize it as such

[emazing]

No, not really. School for us begins at 8:30 A.M., but then.
Sheesh. There wouldn't really be time for homework, or other extracurricular activities because we'd have to sleep earlier to wake up at around 5 or 6 to get ready for school, just for our health.

[CallMeJealousy]

In August, researchers at the University of Minnesota reported the results of a study of more than 7,000 high-school students whose school district had switched in 1997 from a 7:15 a.m. start time to an 8:40 a.m. start time. Compared with students whose schools maintained earlier start times, students with later starts reported getting more sleep on school nights, being less sleepy during the day, getting slightly higher grades and experiencing fewer depressive feelings and behaviors.
States like masachusettes/conneticut have made public schools start later inorder to allow students to get their much needed rest, and there were positive results.
A study also showed that when a class of 40 students began school at 720 instead of 825, nearly half of all the students were falling into REM sleep just in 3.4 minutes which is a pattern that is a lot like narcolepsy. So changing the school time would have an impact on student’s sleeping schedules.

Uh yeah, did a speech on it sorta.

[HoodieObsessed]

therefore;  schools should, to benifit student performance, not start any earlier than 9:00.

Mine starts are 8:30am I'm feeling a little bit ticked off now

[Levy2k6]

hmm... I NEVER STARTED SCHOOL AFTER 8:00 AM... or i dont remmember.. lol

well.. at my school, school starts at 7:30. if u take ZERO HOUR (which is a class before school, very convenient for kids who take sports and extra curriculars and have no time to fill up during school day) it starts at 6:30..

7:30 isnt bad because its early and not late. i usually have to get up at 5:00 to get to school because i have to get ready for zero hour and eat and then take a 10-20 min drive 2 school.. i think waking up early benefits a person by "making them get up early" and more responsibly and all that mumbo jumbo.

school lets out at 2:30 and then u can take a "Seventh Hour" which ends around 4 and then late busses get there to take u home sometime after and take u home...

anyways.. my whole day consist of me waking up at 5, leave at 6 and get home at 5 pm... how exciting!

[rainbawwors]

School starts at 7:30 for me. bleh. i hate waking up so early! well i havent started school yet..i start tommorow.

I dont think schools should start before 8 because most kids these days go to sleep really late and they dont get enough sleep to focas on work and participate at their best ability.

[Rikkiismyname]

I think that the earlier that schools start the better because then we get off to an early start and if students come to school late because they slept in late then they either suffer because they stay up untill oh my gosh o'clock in the morning or go to sleep earlier.

[*tweeak*]

Does anyone actually care about this debate, or can I close it since I turned in my paper already?

[sadolakced acid]

just leave it in case someone wants to post a topic about it.

then we can say "there's been a topic about it" and post the link to this.

[Archana]

Why not? My school starts @ 8:30, but the highschools start earlier.
I think it's essential for us to be prepared for college, in which some morning courses are way earlier. It also adds some responsibility, which we should learn, no?

Whats the benefits of waking up later? You get lazy/distracted, and school would end later, making winter days harder, as it would get darker quicker and other acitivities may not be in session.

[misoshiru]

personally, i don't really care. because school starts at 7:45, and there's never been problems on lateness or anything.

[Mulder]

You start earlier...you end earlier. It all equals out.

not mine. since we have to fit in art area classes, we start 30 min earlier and end at the same time. so an extra 30 min. i can live with that though.

[BrokenDream]

My opinion would be no.

Students, including me, already have to wake up in the mornings for school. There is simple no need to wake up earlier. Some students may live far away from the school (depending on district) and may not have the time. Second, if you`re a student that rides the bus every morning, it would be more difficult, and more frustrating to the student and the parents. The parents will have a hard time because, if the student doesn't have a alarm clock, the parents usually wake the students up. But, it's the student`s responsiblity to wake up in the morning to get ready, and catch a ride from the bus, by walking to school, and/or ride from parent.

It`s hard, and overall, not really that smart to.
Every school should different! Not the same!

[VarsMOlta]

helllllll nooooooooooooooooo..


kids got enough hw already they dont get enough sleeeeeep
the younger kids are they more sleep they neeeed

and earlier schol time will only increase amount of customers at coffee shop.... and we al kno that aint healthy......

im sure teachers wont like that either

[*lolita kitty*]

should they be allowed to? yes. in fact, my little sister's elementary school starts at 7:45... many schools start before 8am
would the kids like it? hell no. sure, there is that bunch of kids that are lucky enough to get up at 6am, fresh and happy, and get ready for school before anyone, but the rest wouldn't like it.
i remember in 5th grade when my school started at 7:30, and i had to get on the bus at 7:20, which means i had to get to the bus stop at 7:10, which means i had to wake up arond 6am or so. that was hard for me, because frankily [sp...?], im not a morning person. neither are many other kids..
oh, and as for me, my school starts at 8:05 >_>

[dahoonpride]

no....no point of going to school early and not getting anything in your head cuz you're not fully awake yet.

[*tweeak*]

should they be allowd to? yes. in fact, my little sister's elementary school starts at 7:45... many schools start before 8am
would the kids like it? hell no. sure, there is that bunch of kids that are lucky enough to get up at 6am, fresh and happy, and get ready for school before anyone, but the rest wouldn't like it.
i remember in 5th grade when my school started at 7:30, and i had to get on the bus at 7:20, which means i had to get to the bus stop at 7:10, which means i had to wake up arond 6am or so. that was hard for me, because frankily [sp...?], im not a morning person. neither are many other kids..
oh, and as for me, my school starts at 8:05 >.>;

but that makes sense. Let the kids go in early, fine. But high schoolers? No, not so much.

I got an 84 on my paper, by the way, since it was mostly complete BS

[Spirited Away]

kids got enough hw already they dont get enough sleeeeeep
the younger kids are they more sleep they neeeed

So kids are not sleeping because they have homework? Are you sure internet, games, tv and friends are not to blame?


Nicki... is it possible for you... to post your essay? i'd like to read the argument.

[Blackhorn]

My school starts at 7:30 am. I'm so tired at this time- (we don't have homeroom wither) that during all of 1st period, I am basically asleep. I Don't stay up late- but it is a fact, proven by scientists, that teenagers bodies don't start pupming the nessacary chemicals to function at a normal human level until around 9 am. I'll see if i can find you what group ran teh experiment.

[WHOngos144]

no, 8AM is good.