Whats wrong with... Options

[J-DraGoNz]

QUOTE - stephinika
please stop with the raps with only the point to diss one another. thanks.

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QUOTE - AkaRyux
It's not that he's actually dissing Jason; it's just not necessary to make these stupid "raps". If they wanted to joke with each other, they could just do it in private because people like DJ are just littering the writing forum with this annoying shit. Other people who made Jason dissing raps had their topics closed. I don't see why this hasn't been closed yet.

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Okay, I don't see why you have to close these threads. Just because you don't appreciate a part of hip hop for what it is (not all but some of you) doesn't necessarily give you the right to just close down threads and attack people for doing something they enjoy. Battling is a part of rapping and the hip hop culture. How can you not consider a "rap" writing? Lots of lyrics have many aspects of poetry such as metaphors and alliteration and multi-syllable rhyme schemes. If you guys dislike it soooooo much, why don't you atleast bring another sub forum for it. If not, this malfeasance has got to stop. I know im a new member and all and I know that there are already people who don't like me and most of you don't know me but shit, hip hop is something I love so why should I or anyone else be stifled from presenting hip hop in lyrical writing or battle tracks?


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http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=90719

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=90639

[*Azarel*]

They were closed on the grounds of member bashing. Read the rules and you'll see, k.

[J-DraGoNz]

^ thats interesting since you said

Stop ruining the writing forum with your childish mindless rhymes, kids. Post this bullshit in entertainment or something. Or even better, don't post it at all. Grow up.

and also

I really don't care what your motives are, whether it be for laughs or for real. It's immature and stupid, and I'm sick of it spamming up writing. This crap isn't even deserving enough to be called a piece of "writing." You want to keep up your immature rivalry? You want to sink down to the level of a twelve-year-old? Go do it in entertainment; after all, that's what "raps" are. Writing is to be appreciated, to break a threshhold.
This is no where near worthy of being called "writing."


No offense or anything but I didn't see anything about "member bashing" in any of those theads, only in the "my raps" one which I have not mentioned ( I can agree with that one since everyone is hatin' on jason )
And it's battling. I can see your "member bashing" and your reasoning behind it but it's something that is normal, it's not like we all really hate each other or anything. (for lack of better words and I'm on the phone so I can't concentrate on what I want to write right now lol)

[*Azarel*]

What I posted in the threads and the reason the threads were closed are two different things. And regardless of intentions, bashing is against the rules, the reason the threads were closed, as I'd already stated. The threads between DJ & Jason were 'dissing' each other, and that constitutes as bashing. k.

[J-DraGoNz]

^ you still haven't addressed my issues on battling. It's not literal member bahing because it's not really meant to be, and it is still writing, so I don't understand what your beef is.

[*Azarel*]

^ you still haven't addressed my issues on battling. It's not literal member bahing because it's not really meant to be, and it is still writing, so I don't understand what your beef is.

And why should I? I have no control over the rules and how cB is run. You want someone to address it? Go talk to a mod.

[J-DraGoNz]

^ That's the reason I have addressed my issues on this forum - the feedback forum.
And then why have you addressed to the issues behind the closing of threads seeing that you're not a mod but have neglected my other ones? You have no control over how cB runs so then who are you to consider battling as a form of member bashing?

[*kryogenix*]

bah, it's not member bashing. it's bashing their material. we don't close threads when people say "i think that layout sucks" or "that photo you took is not very good."

and if you want him to stop, then don't post in his threads.

[*Azarel*]

And then why have you addressed to the issues behind the closing of threads seeing that you're not a mod but have neglected my other ones? You have no control over how cB runs so then who are you to consider battling as a form of member bashing?

I was responding to your statement, "I don't see why you have to close these threads."

bah, it's not member bashing. it's bashing their material.

It's not member bashing? The reason of the original posts of the threads he linked were to diss other members. Um. Right then.

[J-DraGoNz]

I was responding to your statement, "I don't see why you have to close these threads."

and yet when I persisted to to make my argument clear, you began to explain it was due to member bashing, but as I have already stated, who are you to decide what is defined as member bashing?
For it to be "member bashing", does not both parties or atleast even one party have to be serious about what they write? Otherwise, how can that be considered member bashing?

[*Azarel*]

who are you to decide what is defined as member bashing?

Did I really define it? Was I the one who close the threads? Sure, the mods who closed them said it was bashing, and I just figured they were the ones that meant the dissing was bashing, 'kay? Okay then.

[J-DraGoNz]

bashing is against the rules, the reason the threads were closed, as I'd already stated. The threads between DJ & Jason were 'dissing' each other, and that constitutes as bashing. k.

You defined it right there. No, you weren't the one to close the threads but you started the arguments for it. So why don't you discuss your argument then? Why aren't lyrics considered writing? Many of them have the same form of poetry.

[*Azarel*]

You defined it right there. No, you weren't the one to close the threads but you started the arguments for it. So why don't you discuss your argument then? Why aren't lyrics considered writing? Many of them have the same form of poetry.

As I said, "I just figured [mods that closed the threads] were the ones that meant the dissing was bashing," and honestly, I don't see the talent and thought behind mindless dissing and hating of others. This isn't the best place to discuss this, seeing as how it's semi-offtopic. Anyway, why do you even bring it up again? You got the threads reopened. Are you happy yet? ....

[J-DraGoNz]

^ Well, not so off topic because I did address it in the first post, although I do agree that this is not the best place to discuss this issue. And I bring it up because I just want to know why you dislike it so much, I only bring it up because I love hip hop and hip hop is my life, that's all, no hate intended or anything of that sort, after all, you are entitled to your opinion and I do respect it, I just didn't understand why you wouldn't constitute lyrics as writing even with the facts I have stated previously. And it wasn't about re-opening the threads, it was more of the reasoning behind it. But you're right, just drop it I suppose, no beef and what not. One

[jordanriane]

--honestly, I don't see the talent and thought behind mindless dissing and hating of others.

Okay, see here's one issue that can be solved rather quickly:

If you don't like the threads that contain raps (or any other form), then DO NOT CLICK IT, and READ IT.

Honestly, it makes no sense to view the threads if you think they lack talent and thought, and diss/hate on others. Just simply ignore the threads, and leave them be.

[*Azarel*]

Okay, see here's one issue that can be solved rather quickly:
If you don't like the threads that contain raps (or any other form), then DO NOT CLICK IT, and READ IT.
Honestly, it makes no sense to view the threads if you think they lack talent and thought, and diss/hate on others. Just simply ignore the threads, and leave them be.

Already been established by James up there. But it's not like I read it anyway - I see the title, "my rap (disses ___)" gets really repetitive and annoying. I'm just someone that always needs to have something to bitch about. Sorry.

[Paradox of Life]

How about we write rap that isn't dissing other people, well written, and not degrading?

Look, these got closed for MEMBER BASHING:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...c=90502&hl=diss
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...c=71353&hl=diss

It is member bashing and it's not even good. So why not just close it to prevent any controversy? And it's annoying as hell. I know you people are like WELL IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT. Well, it's stupid. I wouldn't want someone writing rhymes about me like:

You're so dumb//
You suck you're thumb//
I want to kill your llama//
Go cry to your mama//

It's not funny; the idiots making dissing raps publically, are just looking for popularity. If they wanted to have a freestyle contest or whatever, they could keep it to themselves because it's really pathetic how people are like "I'M GOING TO INSULT PEOPLE AND MAKE IT RHYME AND PEOPLE CAN READ IT TOO! THEY'RE GUNNA THINK I'M SO COOL BECAUSE I'M CRUSHING ANOTHER KID'S SELF-ESTEEM. I THINK I'M SO AWESOME!!! YAY!!!"

Sorry if I'm overreacting, but I just think the whole idea is BS.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I think it's sad that a bunch of tasteless, shallow insults that rhyme (sometimes in a very half-assed way) in the form of a 'diss-off' get 50 replies, while people that actually submit worthy poetry and prose get one reply; two, at best.

Isn't there a thread in forum games for freestyle rapping, anyway?

Yeah i'm 50 cent because I get a lot of beef//
Call me the king because I'm always the cheef//

I can't believe these idiots even considered soiling the Writing forum with that nonsense.

[*nightmare4taki*]

No one will diss you if you don't participate.
I dont think its insulting when two people agree to take shots back and forth for fun. I battle people all the time at my school, although large crowds of people gather around too watch I dont do it for popularity but for the fun aspect. Besides the people I battle are all my friends and everyone knows that is no biggie but rather a competition. DJ and Jason both said they didn't actually mean the things they said towards one another which is the exact same way most hip hop battles occur.

If you don't like the threads that contain raps (or any other form), then DO NOT CLICK IT, and READ IT.

Exactly
I agree 100 %. If you already know that the topic does not fufill or meet your standards then why click on it?

[mocassinsx29]

Well, it's not really member bashing if the other person is welcoming it and participating in writing a rap back. >_> I hope nobody quotes this and writes why I'm wrong...

[*basick*]

If you don't like the threads that contain raps (or any other form), then DO NOT CLICK IT, and READ IT.

I agree. There is no point going into a thread just to talk about how dumb it is.

[beautifuls0ul_x3]

It's not funny; the idiots making dissing raps publically, are just looking for popularity. If they wanted to have a freestyle contest or whatever, they could keep it to themselves because it's really pathetic how people are like "I'M GOING TO INSULT PEOPLE AND MAKE IT RHYME AND PEOPLE CAN READ IT TOO! THEY'RE GUNNA THINK I'M SO COOL BECAUSE I'M CRUSHING ANOTHER KID'S SELF-ESTEEM. I THINK I'M SO AWESOME!!! YAY!!!"

how exactly do you know that for a fact? or why they are doing it? have you ever asked them? no.

anyway...

it was clearly said that it was not member bashing. you want to talk about member bashing then go to the "who do you hate from cb and why" thread first.
so if you have a problem then do the following. kthx.

If you don't like the threads that contain raps (or any other form), then DO NOT CLICK IT, and READ IT.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I don't even have anything to say any more.

Spam the writing forum with the threads, whatever.

I guess that's what it's reduced to now; I'm glad to know I can skip it from now on.

[De112]

ha. you guys are hilarious. it's not bashing if the 2 people involved aren't hating on each other at all. if u dont like it, DON'T CLICK IT. that's your own fault if you click it. it's not our fault if we get more replies, people WANT TO LAUGH. Createblog mods are too uptight anyway! so you all need to calm down, its senseless because we MAKE it senseless, because it makes people laugh. and I personally like making people laugh. If that's a problem, deal with it!


Definition of--

Rap: A form of popular music developed and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.

Definition of--

Lyrics: a. Relating to or constituting a poem in this category, such as a sonnet or an ode.
b. Of or relating to a writer of poems in this category.

Definition of--

Writer: One who writes, especially as an occupation.

Thank you.

[*basick*]

I am not fond of these rap battles either, but I think you guys are just looking for excuses like "member bashing" to try and outlaw these raps. I think they comply with cB's rules and there is no member bashing. I can see what you maen when you say it's pointless and bad writing but it should be allowed.

I have a question - what would you think if a really deep, thoughtful, ill rap was written and posted? Would you still be as mad?

[J-DraGoNz]

^ Weren't you the one hating on my song? o.O

[Paradox of Life]

how exactly do you know that for a fact? or why they are doing it? have you ever asked them? no.

anyway...

it was clearly said that it was not member bashing. you want to talk about member bashing then go to the "who do you hate from cb and why" thread first.
so if you have a problem then do the following. kthx.

Why the hell would I waste my time asking them? But is it not obvious? Hello, child, if people are having a 1 on 1 freestyle, why must they post it up when they can do it privately on an instant messenger? Or E-mail? Or PM? Why? So they can get people to encourage them and give them positive feedback because they're oh so cool for dissing other people. You people need to grow up or make a "litter forum" and post it there.

[*Azarel*]

..Katt..weren't you born in '93?

What does that matter? I refer to people older than me as 'kids' or 'children' all the time.

[J-DraGoNz]

^ lol dang.

Why the hell would I waste my time asking them? But is it not obvious? Hello, child, if people are having a 1 on 1 freestyle, why must they post it up when they can do it privately on an instant messenger? Or E-mail? Or PM? Why? So they can get people to encourage them and give them positive feedback because they're oh so cool for dissing other people. You people need to grow up or make a "litter forum" and post it there.

Waste your time? Why are you wasting your time now? Do you see us as some sort of lower being or something? Don't talk shit about something you don't understand or comprehend. Why we post? Because we want to know who won the battle. So people can read/hear our lyrics and enjoy it or if they dislike the lyrics cause the guy "sucks" then give him constructive criticism. And just to clarify, it's not a freestyle

[Paradox of Life]

^ lol dang.
Waste your time? Why are you wasting your time now? Do you see us as some sort of lower being or something? Don't talk shit about something you don't understand or comprehend. Why we post? Because we want to know who won the battle. So people can read/hear our lyrics and enjoy it or if they dislike the lyrics cause the guy "sucks" then give him constructive criticism. And just to clarify, it's not a freestyle 

Oh well. As if I give a damn if it's a freestyle or not. And quite frankly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time here either, but I have a lot of free time, so why not? Alright then, I'll give constructive criticizm, but I can't help but be a little mean in my responses. I won't bitch about actually closing the topics, but I can almost assure you, there will not be one rap that'll impress me. I know I sound really arrogant, but it's the truth. For me at least. What can I expect from Jason and DJ? The "rap artists" here on CB...

[J-DraGoNz]

Oh well. As if I give a damn if it's a freestyle or not. And quite frankly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time here either, but I have a lot of free time, so why not? Alright then, I'll give constructive criticizm, but I can't help but be a little mean in my responses. I won't bitch about actually closing the topics, but I can almost assure you, there will not be one rap that'll impress me. I know I sound really arrogant, but it's the truth. For me at least. What can I expect from Jason and DJ? The "rap artists" here on CB... 

Do you realize you only addressed the last statement which wasn't even a question and really had no relevance? I don't mean to be mean but why do we care if we impress you? If we do, cool, thanks for the love, if not, okay, I'll work harder. If I'll never impress you, oh well, not all people enjoy rap. Good for them. I love all sorts of music personally. I'm an artist, what about me, already disappointed in me without having heard any of my tracks? I have one in entertainment. You said you liked my poem, I wrote that originally as a rap, so I guess you did find one that impressed you

[edit] my fault, you addressed the "why you waste your time" in a brief but meaningless manner as well.

[*basick*]

^ Weren't you the one hating on my song? o.O

damn i was kidding lol i didnt even listen


edit - anna in your gerpok it says you are listening to method man haha

[*Azarel*]

edit -        anna in your gerpok it says you are listening to method man haha

It was a song I ripped from a Miss E CD that I have.

[Paradox of Life]

Do you realize you only addressed the last statement which wasn't even a question and really had no relevance? I don't mean to be mean but why do we care if we impress you? If we do, cool, thanks for the love, if not, okay, I'll work harder. If I'll never impress you, oh well, not all people enjoy rap. Good for them. I love all sorts of music personally. I'm an artist, what about me, already disappointed in me without having heard any of my tracks? I have one in entertainment. You said you liked my poem, I wrote that originally as a rap, so I guess you did find one that impressed you

[edit] my fault, you addressed the "why you waste your time" in a brief but meaningless manner as well.

Of course people don't care if they impress me. But why are my opinions significant enough for you to actually be debating with me rather than saying "This kid is full of shit and isn't worth my time"?
Well, you're a good writer then. But the people on CB consistently making RAPS, aren't good in my opinion.

[*disco infiltrator*]

^ Haha I questioned that too..

But yes, the threads ARE member bashing, whether they're joking or not. If I went around insulting someone and you didn't know if I was joking or not, you would think I really didn't like them, wouldn't you?

You guys are getting mad at people for calling the raps stupid, but you guys have said much worse things about people in them. If calling it stupid bothers you, even if it's joking, the other person probably feels bad. Someone could come up to me and say, "You're an ugly peice of shit. HAHA, Just joking!" and even if they're joking, it still offends.

Understand?

[J-DraGoNz]

^ people who battle agree to battle...so therefore they would know not to take it seriously. If they do, then they shouldn't be battling in the first place, and that's their fault. If you can't take constructive criticism, don't battle. if you can't take a few jokes and shit directed toward you, don't battle. But that's for them to decide, not you.

Of course people don't care if they impress me. But why are my opinions significant enough for you to actually be debating with me rather than saying "This kid is full of shit and isn't worth my time"?

I care enough because you're trying to close down something we want to do. You're arguing against us on a topic that is my life, so why wouldn't I debate?

[*basick*]

if you are battling in real life... you are put against an opponent you know little about.. maybe he is even your friend... the point of the battle is to embarass and humiliate your opponent... you can give him dap after the battle and continue but during the battle you are trying to do that... its the whole point... if these threads are not allowed, then the threads in forum games called "diss the member above you, burn, say something negative about the member above you" should not be allowed either...

fall back it's not that serious...

[*disco infiltrator*]

Obviously it's serious enough to have a thread about it. People asked why it was closed; I explained. Why are you telling me to "fall back"?

[*basick*]

i was talking to the people that said it should be closed

[racoons > you]

I think it's sad that a bunch of tasteless, shallow insults that rhyme (sometimes in a very half-assed way) in the form of a 'diss-off' get 50 replies, while people that actually submit worthy poetry and prose get one reply; two, at best.

*APPLAUSE*

however...

i get the whole member bashing should be closed thing... but... if both parties take it as light hearted fun, then i dont think it really should constitue bashing...

and, whether you like it or not (and i dont) rap is a legimate form of writing, and as such has a place in the writing forum

[*CrackedRearView*]

Exactly why I said: 'whatever'.

I really don't care any more. I just have a legitimate reason to keep out of that forum now.

[jeSs1cA]

i get the whole member bashing should be closed thing... but... if both parties take it as light hearted fun, then i dont think it really should constitue bashing...

and, whether you like it or not (and i dont) rap is a legimate form of writing, and as such has a place in the writing forum

i agreeee

If you don't like the threads that contain raps (or any other form), then DO NOT CLICK IT, and READ IT.

exactly.

ha. you guys are hilarious. it's not bashing if the 2 people involved aren't hating on each other at all. if u dont like it, DON'T CLICK IT. that's your own fault if you click it. it's not our fault if we get more replies, people WANT TO LAUGH. Createblog mods are too uptight anyway! so you all need to calm down, its senseless because we MAKE it senseless, because it makes people laugh. and I personally like making people laugh. If that's a problem, deal with it!


Definition of--

Rap: A form of popular music developed and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.

Definition of--

Lyrics: a. Relating to or constituting a poem in this category, such as a sonnet or an ode.
b. Of or relating to a writer of poems in this category.

Definition of--

Writer: One who writes, especially as an occupation.

Thank you.

DJ, I couldn't agree with you more.

[*disco infiltrator*]

*APPLAUSE*

however...

i get the whole member bashing should be closed thing... but... if both parties take it as light hearted fun, then i dont think it really should constitue bashing...

and, whether you like it or not (and i dont) rap is a legimate form of writing, and as such has a place in the writing forum

But what about when people read it and then reply saying "Haha yea he's such a loser!" or something...I've been in the chat when things like this were being posted...ehhh. It seems kinda mean to me.

If people just kept it off the forums, there would be no problem. And if it's really a joke, it should go in Humor. Writing is for legitimate, serious writing pieces, and people take topics in there as such. Humor is for jokes.

[racoons > you]

well if something is intended as lighthearted, and taken a different way, the problem is with the interpretation, not the writing

i mean, people have taken things in debate personally, but that's no reason to censor the opinions of the offender. i mean, its the same kind of thing

also, i dont see why humourous pieces cant go in writing. i mean, if i wrote a short story which was funny, it wouldnt have to go in humour, would it?

we could all stand to be more lighthearted

[beautifuls0ul_x3]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=90869

Why the hell would I waste my time asking them? But is it not obvious? Hello, child, if people are having a 1 on 1 freestyle, why must they post it up when they can do it privately on an instant messenger? Or E-mail? Or PM? Why? So they can get people to encourage them and give them positive feedback because they're oh so cool for dissing other people. You people need to grow up or make a "litter forum" and post it there.

ok listen, i'm not going to be like you and start crap. but if you want to get your opinion through well then, you can do it nicely ok?

And no it is not obvious to me, people in cB would like to have a good laugh once in awhile but you just don't like that do you? hello, child, who said anything about being cool? maybe you need to get some glasses dear, because you obviously can't read what anybody is saying or maybe you are just too stubborn.

-oh and btw, i agree with james.

look at what happened all because of a little joke.

[*nightmare4taki*]

I am not going to lie about the situation because I agree with everyone's POV so I understand where they are coming from. I myself dont mind seeing one or two raps on one page but at the same time I dont think the writing forum should be clouded and overshadowed with raps. I respect all forums of poetry but I guess since I have such a high sense of humor I enjoy reading disses as long as they are out of fun and good nature. I also think that if two oppositions are going to throw verbal blows back at one another it should be done in one thread and not separated to keep everything organized.

[Paradox of Life]

^ Haha I questioned that too..

But yes, the threads ARE member bashing, whether they're joking or not. If I went around insulting someone and you didn't know if I was joking or not, you would think I really didn't like them, wouldn't you?

You guys are getting mad at people for calling the raps stupid, but you guys have said much worse things about people in them. If calling it stupid bothers you, even if it's joking, the other person probably feels bad. Someone could come up to me and say, "You're an ugly peice of shit. HAHA, Just joking!" and even if they're joking, it still offends.

Understand?

ok listen, i'm not going to be like you and start crap. but if you want to get your opinion through well then, you can do it nicely ok?

And no it is not obvious to me, people in cB would like to have a good laugh once in awhile but you just don't like that do you? hello, child, who said anything about being cool? maybe you need to get some glasses dear, because you obviously can't read what anybody is saying or maybe you are just too stubborn.

-oh and btw, i agree with james.

look at what happened all because of a little joke.

Look what happened because of a little joke? Well, people get upset by it because it's so ignorant and stupid. And we have a reasonable anount of people who are upset by it, so don't be treating us like some party pooper minority. And perhaps you need glasses so you can read what people had to say before. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BEING COOL. But I stated a reason that was already contradicted by someone WHO ACTUALLY READS (J-DragonZ, you rock). And yes, I am stubborn, but I'm not narrow-minded. You tell me to be nice? Just reread a few of your own posts, dear.

[beautifuls0ul_x3]

Look what happened because of a little joke? Well, people get upset by it because it's so ignorant and stupid. And we have a reasonable anount of people who are upset by it, so don't be treating us like some party pooper minority. And perhaps you need glasses so you can read what people had to say before. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BEING COOL. But I stated a reason that was already contradicted by someone WHO ACTUALLY READS (J-DragonZ, you rock). And yes, I am stubborn, but I'm not narrow-minded. You tell me to be nice? Just reread a few of your own posts, dear.

Be nice to me and I'll treat you nicely, and if you don't i won't either.

DeJayyyyy: aren't me and you cool with the disses?
DeJayyyyy: we don't even mean them, am i right?
kangsta4LIFE XD: YES
kangsta4LIFE XD: WE ARE JUST JOKING AROUND WE DONT GOT REAL BEEF U KNOW

here they said it themselves, i honestly don't see what your problem is.

Well, people get upset by it because it's so ignorant and stupid.

hmm i honestly think there are a lot of topics on cB that are stupid, but do you see me doing what your doing? telling people to grow up? and insulting them? no.

[*disco infiltrator*]

well if something is intended as lighthearted, and taken a different way, the problem is with the interpretation, not the writing

i mean, people have taken things in debate personally, but that's no reason to censor the opinions of the offender. i mean, its the same kind of thing

also, i dont see why humourous pieces cant go in writing. i mean, if i wrote a short story which was funny, it wouldnt have to go in humour, would it?

we could all stand to be more lighthearted

When people insult others in debate, they're told to stop, no? That's not a good example. Having opinions and straight out insulting someone are two different things.

[melface]

yet, if it's all in fun and games... and they don't mean what they say when they "rap"... then why not? isn't that what "rap battling" is about? I mean... BATTLE? yeah, makes sense.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well then, like I already said, they can keep it off the forums or put it in humor if it's supposed to be so humorous.

[J-DraGoNz]

^ Indeed.
When you're with friends, don't tell me you never clown on your friend. Is that "friend bashing"? C'mon guys, seriously, I can see and atleast understand the basis of everyone's point of view but do you really dislike hip hop so much in that you have to be so blatantly against battling? I'm usually not one to assume but I think some of you are just using the "member bashing" as an excuse to get rid of the threads because of the fact you are just hating on emcees/rap.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Um, that's not why I'm saying it..

We just don't want a lot of negativity on the forums. Even if you're just joking, others might take it seriously and be mad at Person A for saying something bad about Person B, etc. Yea..

I'm not against hip-hop or rap, even though I don't usually listen to it..I do listen to Missy Elliot, Kanye West, and Ciara on occasion, though. I'm just saying..

To me, this is the definition of member bashing:

Directly insulting a member by name, including name-calling, racism, discrimination, etc.

According to that definition in my little brain, the rap battles constitute as member bashing. If you guys just like, did on AIM or something, there wouldn't be a problem at all..

[melface]

People are thinking this through way too deeply. If the mods don't want it in writing... then it's up the to mods to move it. If you don't want this so called "member bashing" then delete every thread that contains member bashing... I suppose then we wouldn't have this problem, right?

[*disco infiltrator*]

I'm not the one who closed them; people are wondering why they were closed, though, and I'm explaining why it's considered to be member bashing by some people. I don't think that form of member bashing is that big of a deal though; like, it's not that offensive..

[racoons > you]

sammi, i didnt say when someone insulted someone, i said when someone takes offenseat something meant lightheartedly.

two different things

[*disco infiltrator*]

...Offensively? I don't know what offenseat means.

[racoons > you]

yes.

no clue what happened there. wow.

sorry

[Paradox of Life]

Bah whatever. I'm backing out of this. I still think it's stupid but I'll keep my opinions to myself and I just won't read them.

[*basick*]

To me, this is the definition of member bashing:

Directly insulting a member by name, including name-calling, racism, discrimination, etc.

According to that definition in my little brain, the rap battles constitute as member bashing. If you guys just like, did on AIM or something, there wouldn't be a problem at all..

Or maybe you just don't want the writing forum clouded with these stupid topics. I said this many times, the point of a rap battle is to degrade and humiliate your opponent, whethere your opponent is your friend or a stranger. It's just like sports, you try and beat the opposing team. Both sides know not to take it personally because it's the point of the battle, and I think the people who are against it because of "member bashing" are the same people who don't understand hip hop culture or don't like rap music.

[*disco infiltrator*]

If the point is to humiliate and degrade someone, that is member bashing, whether you want it to be or not.

[*basick*]

If the point is to humiliate and degrade someone, that is member bashing, whether you want it to be or not.

No it's not. There are topics in forum games called, "diss the member above you", 'burn", and "say something positive or negative about the person above you". It's all in good fun. When you play an individual sport, the point of the game is to beat your opponent. I won't say you hate rap, but maybe it's an unfamiliarity with hip hop culture. Are we supposed to be unintellegent to the point where we do not recognize the difference between an offending statement and a playful war of words? Isn't that what debate is all about anyways?

As long as both parties involved in the battle agree to the battle, there should be no problem. While the spectators might take it as member bashing, the participants do not take any offense. If it is an diss to a member for no reason, then it should be closed. Like when Jason make a member about Jordan in lounge for no reason and Jordan not knowing about it, if a member made a topic in writing like that it should be closed. I admit that the writing in these battles are subpar but since when are topics in writing closed because the content in it is not the greatest? I think that is more offending than a "rap battle" anyways.

[wayne]

Oh well. As if I give a damn if it's a freestyle or not. And quite frankly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time here either, but I have a lot of free time, so why not? Alright then, I'll give constructive criticizm, but I can't help but be a little mean in my responses. I won't bitch about actually closing the topics, but I can almost assure you, there will not be one rap that'll impress me. I know I sound really arrogant, but it's the truth. For me at least. What can I expect from Jason and DJ? The "rap artists" here on CB... 

if anyone has a problem with the freestyling on hte boards... then say hello to my lil freind...




no point it crying over a thread... get out the house instead of crying over a rap battle thread...

[*basick*]

I apologize for wayne's stupidity.

[wayne]

^^ LMAO

[*disco infiltrator*]

No it's not. There are topics in forum games called, "diss the member above you", 'burn", and "say something positive or negative about the person above you". It's all in good fun. When you play an individual sport, the point of the game is to beat your opponent. I won't say you hate rap, but maybe it's an unfamiliarity with hip hop culture. Are we supposed to be unintellegent to the point where we do not recognize the difference between an offending statement and a playful war of words? Isn't that what debate is all about anyways?

As long as both parties involved in the battle agree to the battle, there should be no problem. While the spectators might take it as member bashing, the participants do not take any offense. If it is an diss to a member for no reason, then it should be closed. Like when Jason make a member about Jordan in lounge for no reason and Jordan not knowing about it, if a member made a topic in writing like that it should be closed. I admit that the writing in these battles are subpar but since when are topics in writing closed because the content in it is not the greatest? I think that is more offending than a "rap battle" anyways.

And all of those are in forum games. So everyone understands it's just a game. When someone posts something in Writing, it's meant to be a serious, thought-out artistic piece. Not something that's meant to be a joke.

[*basick*]

And all of those are in forum games. So everyone understands it's just a game. When someone posts something in Writing, it's meant to be a serious, thought-out artistic piece. Not something that's meant to be a joke.

What about a diss track that is deep, thoughtful, hard hitting, creative, and funny?

[*disco infiltrator*]

If someone actually wrote a rap that wasn't part of a battle meant for fun, then yes, it would belong in Writing. However, from what you people have explained to me, rap battling is a game meant to make people laugh. Here:

My dad is such a loser. He's just a big boozer. He only likes his beer. We talk and he can't hear.

That rhymes, but is that an artistic venture? No, it's just a rant insulting my dad. It's meant to either make people laugh at my dad or entertain people with my complaining. If I posted that in Writing, would you agree that it should be there?

[*basick*]

However, from what you people have explained to me, rap battling is a game meant to make people laugh.

Rap battling is an integral part of Hip-Hop which involves quick thinking and writing abilities. Calling it a "game meant to make people laugh" ... SMH. SHAKING MY HEAD. Punchlines are meant to induce humor at the expence at your opponent, but it is not a "whoever tells the funniest joke" event. Maybe Jason and Dejay don't realize it, but line structure, multi - sylabble rhyming, using double meanings, and flipping the other person's words are just as important as humorous punchlines. It's much more than rhyming two words.

Topics in writing shouldn't be deleted because of the quality of the piece. If a joke in humor is not funny at all, it won't be deleted. If a recipe in food tastes nasty, it won't be deleted. If a outfit you make in fashion is horrible looking like Ciara at the BET awards, it won't be deleted.

[xquizit]

No. Putting the Rap Battle threads in the Humor or Game forums would be an insult. I'd much rather keep them in the Writing forum.



How about this, next time you create a Rap Battle thread, add some rules and a disclaimer. One of the rules should be that members are not to post in the thread unless they're participating. This is to prevent the "oh, he's such a loser" posts that are considered to be member bashing. The disclaimer should warn participants that insults and member bashing will be involved and that they shouldn't take offense. When two people agree to battle, they must agree to these terms.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I think Roxanne and Steven shut it down.

Shut what down?!

It's already over; we've stepped down.

Have your fun. I don't care any more.

[Spirited Away]

The disclaimer should warn participants that insults and member bashing will be involved and that they shouldn't take offense. When two people agree to battle, they must agree to these terms.

But Roxanne, even if the two agree to their own madeup terms, the community guidelines state that no member bashing is allowed. Are we to tolerate the bashing if people involved do not take offense to it? What I mean is, are we making this an exception?

[*basick*]

But Roxanne, even if the two agree to their own madeup terms, the community guidelines state that no member bashing is allowed. Are we to tolerate the bashing if people involved do not take offense to it? What I mean is, are we making this an exception?

So then would a playful insulting comment towards another member in any other thread constitute as member bashing as well? Both parties know it is a joke but spectators might think you are bashing. I see it happen all the time.

[xquizit]

But Roxanne, even if the two agree to their own madeup terms, the community guidelines state that no member bashing is allowed. Are we to tolerate the bashing if people involved do not take offense to it? What I mean is, are we making this an exception?

You're right. But both parties can agree to take it as lighthearted fun as James put it.

[Spirited Away]

So then would a playful insulting comment towards another member in any other thread constitute as member bashing as well? Both parties know it is a joke but spectators might think you are bashing. I see it happen all the time.

You're right. But both parties can agree to take it as lighthearted fun as James put it.

But playful bashing doesn't take a whole thread. If that kind of thread exists, then you know as well as I do that it's closed, with the exception of the member hate thread because that is strictly monitored.

As you can see, not only is there a "diss" one, but a "diss two" thread exist for the sole purpose of "battling", which is a form of member bashing. If I happen to start bashing Justin by making a thread, and say that we're just having a friendly battle, wouldn't that be closed? I mean:

1) it's a waste of space
2) it's pointless thread wasting
3) it may contain obscenity
4) it would be bashing

all of which are against the community guidelines, as you can see. Maybe I'm just not understanding this very well.

[*basick*]

But playful bashing doesn't take a whole thread. If that kind of thread exists, then you know as well as I do that it's closed, with the exception of the member hate thread because that is strictly monitored.

As you can see, not only is there a "diss" one, but a "diss two" thread exist for the soul purpose of "battling", which is a form of member bashing. If I happen to start bashing Justin by making a thread, and say that we're just having a friendly battle, wouldn't that be closed? I mean:

1) it's a waste of space
2) it's pointless thread wasting
3) it may contain obscenity
4) it would be bashing

all of which are against the community guidelines, as you can see.

1) I do not agree that rap battles are a waste of space. That is the same as someone saying poems are a waste of space and pointless because they don't like to read poems. Whether you want to admit it or not, rap is also considered writing.. although Jason and Dejay aren't doing a very good job demonstrating that... but it is writing.

2) Read #1.

3) Lots of threads contain profanity. If it bothers you that much, then a "no cussing" rule?

4) No it wouldn't. Well you already know how I feel about this if you read my previous posts.

[*CrackedRearView*]

But playful bashing doesn't take a whole thread. If that kind of thread exists, then you know as well as I do that it's closed, with the exception of the member hate thread because that is strictly monitored.

As you can see, not only is there a "diss" one, but a "diss two" thread exist for the sole purpose of "battling", which is a form of member bashing. If I happen to start bashing Justin by making a thread, and say that we're just having a friendly battle, wouldn't that be closed? I mean:

1) it's a waste of space
2) it's pointless thread wasting
3) it may contain obscenity
4) it would be bashing

all of which are against the community guidelines, as you can see. Maybe I'm just not understanding this very well.

Not to mention that half of the replies are mindless spam.

[Paradox of Life]

But playful bashing doesn't take a whole thread. If that kind of thread exists, then you know as well as I do that it's closed, with the exception of the member hate thread because that is strictly monitored.

As you can see, not only is there a "diss" one, but a "diss two" thread exist for the sole purpose of "battling", which is a form of member bashing. If I happen to start bashing Justin by making a thread, and say that we're just having a friendly battle, wouldn't that be closed? I mean:

1) it's a waste of space
2) it's pointless thread wasting
3) it may contain obscenity
4) it would be bashing

all of which are against the community guidelines, as you can see.

I know I said I'd back off, but I'm back anyway because there's nothing else to do. DJ and Jason on this occasion, did agree via AIM that they were going to do this. So it wouldn't be member bashing with DJ and Jason exchanging disses. I'm against the whole rap battling idea for the reason that someone could make it about another person without having consent and say it was a joke.

Doesn't CB have infinite space? And the writing forum doesn't have too many topics anyway. Same goes for "thread wasting".

But I agree with you on the obscenity part. Maybe we should make a precaution that they can't be too offensive or can't contain ethnic slurs, etc?

[*basick*]

Not to mention that half of the replies are mindless spam.

Complimenting one person's rap is no different than complimenting somebody's poem or short story. I admit some of the responses are derogatory towards a member, and that can be prevented by posting a rule that says like "positive feedback only" or something like that.

[Spirited Away]

I know I said I'd back off, but I'm back anyway because there's nothing else to do. DJ and Jason on this occasion, did agree via AIM that they were going to do this. So it wouldn't be member bashing with DJ and Jason exchanging disses. I'm against the whole rap battling idea for the reason that someone could make it about another person without having consent and say it was a joke.

Doesn't CB have infinite space? And the writing forum doesn't have too many topics anyway. Same goes for "thread wasting".

I'm sorry, I didn't mean a waste of space because that's the same as threadwasting. But here:

NO POINTLESS THREADWASTING
This includes topics like 'I'm bored', "LOOK AT MY NEW PICS" or "do u love me"
Also topics whose sole intent is to insult someone will be deleted/closed
These forums are for discussion, not attention seeking.
Any topic considered to be a threadwaste will be deleted/closed

As you can see in the red, these two topics are violating this guideline.

But I agree with you on the obscenity part. Maybe we should make a precaution that they can't be too offensive or can't contain ethnic slurs, etc?

That's a good idea.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Complimenting one person's rap is no different than complimenting somebody's poem or short story. I admit some of the responses are derogatory towards a member, and that can be prevented by posting a rule that says like "positive feedback only" or something like that.

Newsflash, buddy, here's an example:

pwn?

fallen fairy

That is apparent spam; however, when someone compliments a literary aspect of someone's poem (repetition of words or phrases for effect, for instance), which is often the case, it's a little different than the spam that's in DJ's 'diss' thread.

50 replies of people posting: " pwned" is spam, no matter how much you want to sugar coat it.

[xquizit]

Maybe we should make a precaution that they can't be too offensive or can't contain ethnic slurs, etc?

I like this idea. You could add that as one of the rules.

[Paradox of Life]

Complimenting one person's rap is no different than complimenting somebody's poem or short story. I admit some of the responses are derogatory towards a member, and that can be prevented by posting a rule that says like "positive feedback only" or something like that.

Yeah, I agree. It is derogatory toward Jason and DJ. If someone wrote a good, worthwhile rap that was within the boundaries (dissing another with CONSENT), I think this would be totally different. If it was witty instead of shitty, I think a lot more of us would be on the same side.

[*basick*]

Also topics whose sole intent is to insult someone will be deleted/closed
These forums are for discussion, not attention seeking.
Any topic considered to be a threadwaste will be deleted/closed

Yes the point of a rap battle is to try and beat your opponent with clever rhymes but it is not just who insults the other harder that wins. I doubt Jason or Dejay know this, but rap battles showcase your lyrical abilities and force you to use complex rhyming structures, multi-sylabble rhyming, vocabulary, creativity, play on words, etc. to gain the upper hand. Lots of these traits are also used in poetry and spoken word. Rap battling is more competition like sports, than senselessly bashing another member.

This whole arguement is stupid because obviously the members wanting to outlaw these types of threads don't understand Hip Hop culture and the place rap battling has in it.

[*basick*]

Newsflash, buddy, here's an example:

pwn?

fallen fairy

That is apparent spam;  however, when someone compliments a literary aspect of someone's poem (repetition of words or phrases for effect, for instance), which is often the case, it's a little different than the spam that's in DJ's 'diss' thread.

50 replies of people posting: "         pwned" is spam, no matter how much you want to sugar coat it.

Yes, I agree that is spam. I'm suggesting a format for all feedback that grades both rappers on

PUNCHLINES
PERSONALS
MULTIS
VOCAB
FLOW
OVERALL

or just simple a rule - Constructive Feedback Only.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Yes, I agree that is spam. I'm suggesting a format for all feedback that grades both rappers on

or just simple a rule - Constructive Feedback Only.

Right, Steven, you're the pot calling the kettle black in this instance.

Like you're not one of the people going on a " " tirade.

It's not like your shit don't stink.

[*basick*]

Right, Steven, you're the pot calling the kettle black in this instance.

Like you're not one of the people going on a "        " tirade.

It's not like your shit don't stink.

I never said I didn't do that. I got a question though.



It looks like you are just upset because the writing forum is slowly being infested with "rap battles" and whatnot so you guys are calling it member bashing.

[Spirited Away]

Yes the point of a rap battle is to try and beat your opponent with clever rhymes but it is not just who insults the other harder that wins. I doubt Jason or Dejay know this, but rap battles showcase your lyrical abilities and force you to use complex rhyming structures, multi-sylabble rhyming, vocabulary, creativity, play on words, etc. to gain the upper hand. Lots of these traits are also used in poetry and spoken word. Rap battling is more competition like sports, than senselessly bashing another member.

This whole arguement is stupid because obviously the members wanting to outlaw these types of threads don't understand Hip Hop culture and the place rap battling has in it.

Then why don't you explain Hip-Hop culture? If part of Hip-Hop culture is about bashing people, then maybe that aspect of it doesn' t belong on cB? I don't know, but the rules are there... I follow 'em and it certainly wouldn't be fair for others to break the rules and not be punished for it.

It's like the humor forum. Some people think that posting pornographic material is funny, and yes, porn can be a part of humor, but it doesn' t belong on cB. Do you get that?

If this is more like a competition, then what is the different between this stuff and the stuff in the "rap competition" thread?

Ah well, then again, I don't understand Hip Hop culture.

Anyway, I'll be content if we can at least put censor disclaimer in these "battles".

[*basick*]

Anyway, I'll be content if we can at least put censor disclaimer in these "battles".

Sounds good.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Why would ignorance make me mad?

It's just another one of those things in my life I get to shrug off.

That's right; I'm shrugging you off.

[Spirited Away]

Sounds good.

But I want to make this clear:

It's like the humor forum. Some people think that posting pornographic material is funny, and yes, porn can be a part of humor, but it doesn' t belong on cB. Do you get that?

So... do you get it?

[*basick*]

Why would ignorance make me mad?

It's just another one of those things in my life I get to shrug off.

That's right; I'm shrugging you off.

How am I being ignorant? I think this is one of the few times I took my time arguing instead of just dismissing the other person.

It's like the humor forum. Some people think that posting pornographic material is funny, and yes, porn can be a part of humor, but it doesn' t belong on cB. Do you get that?

Lol, yeah I understand what you are saying. I still don't think this constitutes as member bashing but I'm content with a no cussing rule.

[Spirited Away]

Lol, yeah I understand what you are saying. I still don't think this constitutes as member bashing but I'm content with a no cussing rule.

So if I write a song/poem about how much a member sucks, but in subtle tones without cussing, my thread shouldn't get closed... right?

[*CrackedRearView*]

You're ignorant because you think that Jason and his fanbase's spamming is humorous.

You want me to post real corrective criticism about Jason's 'raps'?

How about how he spelled 'chief' as 'cheef'? Or his lack of rhyming technique? Or his poor sense of meter?

You know that if I were to do that, you'd just go and interview him, and show all of cB that he thinks I'm a 'fag'. And that's a direct quote.

You're ignorant because you think that kind of shit is funny.

[*basick*]

So if I write a song/poem about how much a member sucks, but in subtle tones without cussing, my thread shouldn't get closed... right?

No, because that is a member bash. Remember when Jason dissed Jordan (JMLKTK or wahtever) in the lounge for no reason? That's about the same thing.

If you and another member agree on a battle, then the corresponding disses shouldn't be closed.

[wayne]

But playful bashing doesn't take a whole thread. If that kind of thread exists, then you know as well as I do that it's closed, with the exception of the member hate thread because that is strictly monitored.

As you can see, not only is there a "diss" one, but a "diss two" thread exist for the sole purpose of "battling", which is a form of member bashing. If I happen to start bashing Justin by making a thread, and say that we're just having a friendly battle, wouldn't that be closed? I mean:

1) it's a waste of space
2) it's pointless thread wasting
3) it may contain obscenity
4) it would be bashing

all of which are against the community guidelines, as you can see. Maybe I'm just not understanding this very well.

but when you think about it.. there are tons of threads that are a waste of space and pointless thread wasting. but there havent been too many threads pointing those out now have there?

[*basick*]

You're ignorant because you think that Jason and his fanbase's spamming is humorous.

You want me to post real corrective criticism about Jason's 'raps'?

How about how he spelled 'chief' as 'cheef'?  Or his lack of rhyming technique?  Or his poor sense of meter?

You know that if I were to do that, you'd just go and interview him, and show all of cB that he thinks I'm a 'fag'.  And that's a direct quote.

You're ignorant because you think that kind of shit is funny.

I never once said Jason or Dejay's raps were anywhere near good. I even mentioned how bad they were in my posts previously. I think Jason is funny. Many people do.

I think you are ODing on the serious sauce there.

[Spirited Away]

No, because that is a member bash. Remember when Jason dissed Jordan (JMLKTK or wahtever) in the lounge for no reason? That's about the same thing.
If you and another member agree on a battle, then the corresponding disses shouldn't be closed.

What if that member is Justin or Mr. Acid and we agree on dissing each other? It wouldn't be for no reason... I threatened to yank on his hair because of it in chat.

but when you think about it.. there are tons of threads that are a waste of space and pointless thread wasting. but there havent been too many threads pointing those out now have there?

Oh really, why don't post to me a link of a thread that has as much spam and member bashing as the two disses that is NOT closed, then maybe I'll reconsider and figure out another way to point out how I feel about these two threads?

[wayne]

You're ignorant because you think that Jason and his fanbase's spamming is humorous.

You want me to post real corrective criticism about Jason's 'raps'?

How about how he spelled 'chief' as 'cheef'?  Or his lack of rhyming technique?  Or his poor sense of meter?

You know that if I were to do that, you'd just go and interview him, and show all of cB that he thinks I'm a 'fag'.  And that's a direct quote.

You're ignorant because you think that kind of shit is funny.

cry me a river you karamo aaron carter look a like

[*basick*]

What if that member is Justin or Mr. Acid and we agree on dissing each other? It wouldn't be for no reason... I threatened to yank on his hair because of it in chat.

If you guys diss each other in an intellegible rap battle, and not mocking Jason or Dejay, I see nothing wrong with it.