Reality, <<what is it? Options

[pshaa.shauna]

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someone messed with this post....I'll retype

I beleive that reality is me. I am reality, what I don't know doesn;t matter, because it's outside the domain of reality. in other words... Solipsism.

[heyyfrankie]

solipsism is a very interesting topic. i don't totally understand it but i agree, in a way. gah. >.<

[pshaa.shauna]

yea, it's not a very common belief, at least where I'm from, a lot of people who are solipsists(sp?) are also agonistic....

[lbjshaq2345]

i dont know what exactly this is about but i no reality tv is not real reality

[Paradox of Life]

i dont know what exactly this is about but i no reality tv is not real reality

Then don't post...?

Is solipsism where you believe you're the only thing real in your own reality and everything that goes on revolves around your thoughts? And everything is just testing you in some way? And everything that happens is planned out?

[lKVNiiKINKYl]

I think reality is facts, not to say that the supernatural stuff don't exist but my whole theory thing is complicated so yeah :-)

[innovation]

"our" reality can only exist if constitency is a reliable test for physical reality. and that can only be true if there's a non-deceiving god/being who assures it.. right?

or we're all living in the matrix. wahhhh.

[illumineering]

Reality is subjective and based on experience. Remember when...

The world was flat in the days of Columbus..if you sailed too far, you would fall off.
Before Galileo the earth was the center of the universe.
You could get AIDS from a toilet seat in the 80's.

Good point ximxjustaxgirlx

yea, it's not a very common belief, at least where I'm from, a lot of people who are solipsists(sp?) are also agonistic....

My question is that if things are predetermined, who/what established the order of events established in life?

[Spirited Away]

Before Galileo the earth was the center of the universe.

Before Copernicus you mean?

[innovation]

Reality is subjective and based on experience.

so if i have never sensed something, it doesn't exist?

[illumineering]

Oops! Thanks uninsiredfae. :)

perplexism Posted Jul 9 2005, 6:43 PM
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Reality is subjective and based on experience.

so if i have never sensed something, it doesn't exist?

Do you remember when the Europeans first arrived at the shores of North America? The Native Americans, unfamiliar with the ships in the water never saw them. They could see the water moving, but not the ships that created the movement.

[innovation]

^ that doesn't mean that the ships didn't exist. are you saying that the physical world doesn't exist?

[illumineering]

perplexism Posted Jul 10 2005, 2:32 PM

that doesn't mean that the ships didn't exist. are you saying that the physical world doesn't exist?

No, I'm not saying the physical world does not exist. The "reality" of it is based on experience and the unique ability of each individual to interpret and define meaning. Have you ever played pass the message? What the person hears at the beginning of the chain is never what is received by the last.

[innovation]

whisper down the lane? what a lame game.
telephone charades is better. :]

what if you don't experience something but you can imagine it?

[illumineering]

It's just as real. Your mind still recognizes it.

For example, if you close your eyes and remeber the last day of school, your first crush or best birthday, the pictures in your mind are created the same way as a dream where you fly around the earth. Your mind can't tell the difference.

[sikdragon]

Reality is based solely upon perception.

[innovation]

what about the existence of an external reality?

[sikdragon]

Well that's where it gets controversial. I believe in God and his perception keep the order of the universe outside of our perception.

[aznxdreamer]

i think we're all single celled organisms hooked up to one super computer robot that generates feelings, thoughts, emotions, cars, tables, dogs, everything in the world in our head. we're not really here, reality is all in our heads.

[innovation]

^ if "reality" is in your head, how are you able to visualize the "truth" (which you claim is this..."super computer robot")?

[demolished]

It's just as real.  Your mind still recognizes it.

For example, if you close your eyes and remeber the last day of school, your first crush or best birthday, the pictures in your mind are created the same way as a dream where you fly around the earth.  Your mind can't tell the difference.

No. Everyone cannot perfectly remember the whole scene. Really. Think about it very closely.

i think we're all single celled organisms hooked up to one super computer robot that generates feelings, thoughts, emotions, cars, tables, dogs, everything in the world in our head. we're not really here, reality is all in our heads.

i thought so.

[pshaa.shauna]

^ if "reality" is in your head, how are you able to visualize the "truth" (which you claim is this..."super computer robot")?

because what she beleive is the truth is in her head...and someone messed with my first post...

[maia_dc]

Reality is subjective. I honestly don't think that anyone can define what is or isn't real. After all, don't we define reality based on a database of "facts" that we put together to contrast between what is and isn't "real?" Without any contrast, we'd have nothing to compare it to. And that means... that it's all residing on these facts, doesn't it? There is gravity. Therefore, people can't fly. Therefore, you are not "real." Isn't that pretty much how it works?

Oh my gaaa I am getting a headache. I have to stop. I'm waaaay to tired to try and be "intellectual."

[illumineering]

No. Everyone cannot perfectly remember the whole scene. Really. Think about it very closely. 
i thought so. 

The capacity to visualize the scenario is the perfection. There is no need to think about it at all. Whatever images are created don't need to represent a centralized perspective to be complete or even accurate. The passing of time and addition of experiences will always influence any reality.

Additionally, the capacity to express and receive information through language, writing or the arts will effect the details of the memory. Throw in a bit of emotion, intent and random external variables and your notion of "perfect" memory as a recollection of factual information becomes malleable.

If you put a point inside a circle, there are 360 degrees that offer a unique perspective of the same point. Since each degree will view the point from an individual perspective, each reality will be different from the others yet completely valid.

Think about it very closely.
I thought so.

[smile0751]

I agree with you ximxjustaxgirlx. Reality depends on you belief. Its like the old saying- seeing is believe, and along with its opposite Believeing is seeing. If you believe in something called Heliopaths that are gray, have big horns coming out of their mouths, and make trumpeting noises, and then see something that some call an elephant, you wouldnt see an elephant you would see a Heliopath. Wow I have no idea where I am going with this...

[mai_z]

Reality is really what you just percieve. My boyfriend just did a project on a philosopher, who belived, in short, that if a tree fell in a forest, and there was no one to hear it, it didn't make a sound. In addition to this, however, he basically believed that everything was in the presence of God, so there was a sound because God heard it. If that is true, then everyone lives in the same reality, so everyone percieves the same reality. In which case, reality is God's reality. But I guess you have to believe in god to accept that argument....

[demolished]

Nope. not really. there are people who doesnt even believe in religon. They use "scientific" rather than religon.

[sikdragon]

Reality is based upon perception. Meaning you make your own reality. Explain how real it is when you take a bad trip on acid. God's reality surrounds our realities. Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave. Life is the ongoing reality of which the layers continue to grow. Death is the end of the growth of the fabric and becomes the dye in which to change the color of other fabrics. When the process of all life is complete and everyone has spilled their dye a new fabric will begin. There is no connection with the old and new fabric. The old fabric would be done away with. The only question in my mind would be the wait after one's dye is spilled until the transition is complete to the new fabric. I guess the glass which contained the dye would be stacked in the place in which they would spend eternity, until the next expanse of fabric would begin.

[illumineering]

Reality is based upon perception. Meaning you make your own reality. Explain how real it is when you take a bad trip on acid. God's reality surrounds our realities. Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave. Life is the ongoing reality of which the layers continue to grow. Death is the end of the growth of the fabric and becomes the dye in which to change the color of other fabrics. When the process of all life is complete and everyone has spilled their dye a new fabric will begin. There is no connection with the old and new fabric. The old fabric would be done away with. The only question in my mind would be the wait after one's dye is spilled until the transition is complete to the new fabric. I guess the glass which contained the dye would be stacked in the place in which they would spend eternity, until the next expanse of fabric would begin.

Was your perception of reality ever "made" through he ingestion of acid? This sounds like something Jerry Garcia used to say when he was designing ties while in rehab. Maybe a tie-dyed shop in Haight-Ashbury would be a good place to wait for eternity. You would make a lot of money.

I would like you to clarify something that's a little muddied...
If there is no connection between the old and new fabric, why should anyone care about the old fabric from 2000 years ago? So some guy carries a big ass cross to a hill and gets beat down for a couple of days...who cares? According to your statement, there is no connection. Oh yeah...that book with all those old stories isn't worth much either. Once I spill my dye, all I have to wait for the transition. Whew, what a relief.

[pshaa.shauna]

Reality is based upon perception. Meaning you make your own reality. Explain how real it is when you take a bad trip on acid. God's reality surrounds our realities. Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave. Life is the ongoing reality of which the layers continue to grow. Death is the end of the growth of the fabric and becomes the dye in which to change the color of other fabrics. When the process of all life is complete and everyone has spilled their dye a new fabric will begin. There is no connection with the old and new fabric. The old fabric would be done away with. The only question in my mind would be the wait after one's dye is spilled until the transition is complete to the new fabric. I guess the glass which contained the dye would be stacked in the place in which they would spend eternity, until the next expanse of fabric would begin.

Maybe im not undersatnding this but if "Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave" and "There is no connection with the old and new fabric" how does what you just said make any sense?

[sikdragon]

Was your perception of reality ever "made" through he ingestion of acid?  This sounds like something Jerry Garcia used to say when he was designing ties while in rehab.  Maybe a tie-dyed shop in Haight-Ashbury would be a good place to wait for eternity.  You would make a lot of money.

I would like you to clarify something that's a little muddied...
If there is no connection between the old and new fabric, why should anyone care about the old fabric from 2000 years ago?  So some guy carries a big ass cross to a hill and gets beat down for a couple of days...who cares?  According to your statement, there is no connection.  Oh yeah...that book with all those old stories isn't worth much either. Once I spill my dye, all I have to wait for the transition.  Whew, what a relief.

We're still in the old fabric.

[ComradeRed]

There's really two kinds of reality: the Objective Reality, which is independent of you and me, and our Subjective Reality, which is a mix of perception and reason. Each subjective reality is just a part of the total objective reality.

[sikdragon]

Our realities are part of God's reality. Just like he said. ^

[pshaa.shauna]

There's really two kinds of reality: the Objective Reality, which is independent of you and me, and our Subjective Reality, which is a mix of perception and reason. Each subjective reality is just a part of the total objective reality.

Our realities are part of God's reality. Just like he said. ^

I sorry but what? I don't how what ComradeRed said implys that we are a part of "God's reality". If there is something I'm missing please explain it to me.

[murderous_though...]

I have no idea what solipsism is, so ill just say what i think and if it fits in with it, good for me lol In order for something to be real, it must be agreed upon by more than one person, otherwise its just a hallucination. But science has proved that because every mind is different, they read things differently and the senses process them differently, everyones view is somewhat different. That being said, no two persons have the same view of ANYTHING. How can anything be real if it cant be agreed on? Then again, what if we arent the ones that can say how something is supposed to seem? What if there is something wrong with us and the way it is originally is not what we see? Then our "reality" is distorted, and we become the hallucination. I believe that the way I see things is how it should be, and other peoples views are somehow fogged, the only thing thats real is how i feel and how i perceive the world around me, ergo im the only one thats real, and everybody and everything is a figment of my imagination. If they are in my imagintion, i can control them, making me in charge, and thats a much more comforting thought than believing i cant do anything about the way things are.

[sikdragon]

shauna,Jul 28 2005, 8:36 PM]I sorry but what? I don't how what ComradeRed said implys that we are a part of "God's reality". If there is something I'm missing please explain it to me.

God is the independant reality, we're the dependant reality.

I would like you to clarify something that's a little muddied...
If there is no connection between the old and new fabric, why should anyone care about the old fabric from 2000 years ago? So some guy carries a big ass cross to a hill and gets beat down for a couple of days...who cares? According to your statement, there is no connection. Oh yeah...that book with all those old stories isn't worth much either. Once I spill my dye, all I have to wait for the transition. Whew, what a relief.

That is not the old fabric, that is the current fabric. If you understood the significance of the cross, you would realize that his actions are still consequential in the reality of today in the fact that the realization of the connection between your metaphorical cross and his literal cross can and will affect your reality(meeting a supernatural being) and connect you to the new fabric in a continued existence, after death. The old embodiment of reality will be cast into a lake of fire. All of existence except those connected to the new fabric will be lost.

[Olive]

the reality in the metaphorical... heh, interesting.

[*swtcherriipie*]

....... i guess soo but how do you know us humans are like the matrix... O.o

[RiddleMeWonders]

Are you talking about beliefs of the definition of?

To me reality is what lies beneath the media and even words of love from parents. Reality is what they really mean, the circumastances your in, regardless of the way people act around you. You can say you love someone, but if you have no heart, you can not feel that, only the will to please.

[pshaa.shauna]

God is the independant reality, we're the dependant reality.

Ah I see. Now I get what you're saying.

I believe that the way I see things is how it should be, and other peoples views are somehow fogged, the only thing thats real is how i feel and how i perceive the world around me, ergo im the only one thats real.

What you just said above is Solipsism.

[ParanoidAndroid]

To me reality means

getting job

giving 30% of your yearly salary to Uncle Sam

Paying more than $5000 worth of taxes every year

The fact that not all presidents are smart

God ain't here today (for me)

Christmas means a gift from the dollar store

earn your own crap

hypocricy

poverty

dream for prosperity

hate

love but more hate

loss of faith

destruction of ancient beliefs

loss of childish innocence

unprotected sex

drugs

alchohol

your role model actually being dangerously addicted to drugs

athletes taking steriods

sluts

prostitutes

and the opposite of fantasy

[sikdragon]

thus is the fate of our old selves to be lost in self-destruction.

Life and reality are both the consequence of choice.

"Mohammed said, 'submit'. Jesus said, 'decide'."

giving 30% of your yearly salary to Uncle Sam

Paying more than $5000 worth of taxes every year

freedom isn't free.