Harry Potter? From Satan?!?, Harry Potter is it moral? Options

[gotblog4me?]

Hey guys, this might be rather controversial, I don't know how many anti-harry potterists there are out there, but heres the topic:

Is Harry Potter a moral story? Is there anything in it trying to encourage REAL whitchcraft? whaddayathink?

This topic has probably already been posted, I'm just interested in people's opinions!

[sammi rules you]

not at all. i think it's completely idiotic when people suggest harry potter to be satanic. it's meant purely to drive your imagination and is completely fictional.

[MrElsewhere]

Because in the next Harry Potter book, Harry's gonna meet up with the devil and they'll both fly into the moon on brooms.
[/sarcasm]

Witchcraft and the devil are usually related, no? Well, as far as I can tell from all the books, Harry hasn't met the devil yet. Nor has the devil been discussed. In fact, Harry's Archnemesis(sp?) is a man that kills witches and wizards . So is Voldemort like God or something?

[crayonzUpMyNose]

its a fiction story. cmon people. nobody is worshipping the devil and we all know witches dont exist

[gigiopolis]

Because in the next Harry Potter book, Harry's gonna meet up with the devil and they'll both fly into the moon on brooms.
[/sarcasm]

Witchcraft and the devil are usually related, no?  Well, as far as I can tell from all the books, Harry hasn't met the devil yet.  Nor has the devil been discussed.  In fact, Harry's Archnemesis(sp?) is a man that kills witches and wizards .  So is Voldemort like God or something?

Voldemort is a wizard too, so you can't call him God, because God isn't a human.

[sadolakced acid]

voldemort is the fourth of the trinity. you shall burn in hell if you say otherwise.

witches must burn!

[ghetosmurph]

No it isn't satanic or even encouracing witchcraft, well not directly, and i think i's fine, however i have read articles about like an incresed intrest in real witch craft by younger kids who try to emulate the things they read in the books, i'd say there fine but there not a childrens story, but i dont think they were ment to be either.

yes real witches exist but they aren't flying around the night sky on brooms or making magic potions, it's called wicca, it is satanic in a sense cause they will call upon the powers of the devil, which is where i think a lot of ppl got the harry potter is satanic stuff. But Harry potter isn't encouraging tht! it's like merlin in the tales of king Arthur and stuff, it's meant as fiction!

[gotblog4me?]

For the record, I dont think its bad, and witches do exist! thats one thing some ppl don't seem to understand.

[inthemudhole]

^ Well, that's what you think. Maybe others don't think they exist.

Anyway... I agree with Sammi.
For God's sake, they are just stories. People blow things out of proportion way too much lately.
I don't think the stories are encouraging witchcraft and I certainly don't think they're trying to change your beliefs on witchcraft and religion and such.

They are just stories.

[demolished]

Its only a story that makes fantastic scenes.

its a fiction story. cmon people. nobody is worshipping the devil and we all know witches dont exist

um. witches does exist. ask kathleen. she was a witch.

[fameONE]

If HP is satanic devil worship then I'd rather have my son/daughter reading the books and watching the movies rather than idolizing public whores like Paris Hilton and having my son grow up to be a loser.

Maybe that's just me, though.

[inthemudhole]

If HP is satanic devil worship then I'd rather have my son/daughter reading the books and watching the movies rather than idolizing public whores like Paris Hilton and having my son grow up to be a loser.

Maybe that's just me, though.

Yeah, that is a really good point you've made.

Would you rather have your kids read something educational, yet maybe 'risque' to some, or have them obsess over people that are open about the fact that they have no morals?

[not_for_anything]

Well, it depends whos morals were talking about, christian conservative familes, well yes its wrong, in general witches are seen to be satans minions, or followers, and well harry is a warlock and hermoinie(spelling?) is a witch, i only read the first 2 books like 5 or 6 years ago, and ive seen the first 2 movies, so i can see why many people dont allow their children to read it, I just dont personally like it, but its a good story line, just...not my kinda of book.

[gotblog4me?]

^ Well, that's what you think. Maybe others don't think they exist.

Um, It's not an opinion, i's a fact, there are witches that exist in theworld. From what I understand, they do use magic, but power that they get from the devil/.

[sammi rules you]

^ you might wanna look at the wicca and paganism thread.

and i won't lie, when i was 11 i was seriously watching my fireplace waiting for my letter from Hogwarts. and i took a stick and painted it and stuff and made a wand. but it was all in fun..i didn't seriously think i could do spells. i was only a mere muggle.

[gotblog4me?]

^ you might wanna look at the wicca and paganism thread.

and i won't lie, when i was 11 i was seriously watching my fireplace waiting for my letter from Hogwarts. and i took a stick and painted it and stuff and made a wand. but it was all in fun..i didn't seriously think i could do spells. i was only a mere muggle.

Haha, same here.

[..:loveee.NuTTii]

yes real witches exist but they aren't flying around the night sky on brooms or making magic potions, it's called wicca, it is satanic in a sense cause they will call upon the powers of the devil

Um, It's not an opinion, i's a fact, there are witches that exist in theworld. From what I understand, they do use magic, but power that they get from the devil/.

Satanists worship the devil.
Wicca's don't. Read up

And I agree-it's a fictional book made for your enjoyment. The worst it could do is make you open up a dictionary.

[aera]

how would this promote satanism?

it doesnt. just because he meets the devil doesnt mean he worships him. [somebody did say that, right?]

[WickedDreamer]

Okay, if Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft I guess


Cinderella
Snow White
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
The Little Mermaid
Beauty and the Beast
The Lion King
and so many others

are promoting witchcraft as well!

[not_for_anything]

^^ good point, disneys little hidden messages arent exactly orthodox

[sammi rules you]

how would this promote satanism?

it doesnt. just because he meets the devil doesnt mean he worships him. [somebody did say that, right?]

they said he doesn't meet the devil..which is true.

these types of things confuse me. my neighbors, who are an extremely christian family, aren't allowed to read or watch harry potter, but ARE allowed to watch lord of the rings.

if anyone else is very christian, can you explain this to me?

[karrar]

Naw, it's not from satan. Everybody knows it's ripped of from Star Wars.

[lbjshaq2345]

from wat ive heard i dont think its satanic but its jus plain weird

[sadolakced acid]

Okay, if Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft I guess
Cinderella
Snow White
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
The Little Mermaid
Beauty and the Beast
The Lion King
and so many others

are promoting witchcraft as well!

ehh. some christians dont' let thier kids watch those either.

[Paradox of Life]

from wat ive heard i dont think its satanic but its jus plain weird

o_O; And this his helping the board, how?

Satanists worship the devil.
Wicca's don't. Read up

And I agree-it's a fictional book made for your enjoyment. The worst it could do is make you open up a dictionary.

Exactly. It's just a fictional book. I'm sure JK Rowling had no intent on making it Satanic in any way. It's more silly than demonic and evil.

They never mention Satan in the books, do they? I'm not a Christian, so I wouldn't know much about this subject, but from what I understand and read, they're a bunch of children that can do magic. And this is Satanic, how?

[sadolakced acid]

it's not just that.

if you didn't notice, harry and his pals consistantly undermine authority and ignore rules. he also doesn't respect his aunt and uncle, when they feed and clothe him. he exhibits morals that are non-christian and he promotes disrespect to authority.

[FoOd]

Well since Harry Potter is considered a wizard, then that would imply that all witched and wizards would come from Satan. Meaning that they would worship Satan, thus calling themselves Satanists(correct me if I am wrong, please).
However, in this modern day, there still are witches and such, but aren't considering themselves as one, they are considered as Wiccan. And through the connection above, it would also imply that Wiccan is Satanism, which is entirely not. So through the theory I worked through, I really don't think Harry Potter came from Satan.

But if you are talking if it is immoral, then yes, some people might think of it as immoral. It probably goes against their religion, thus making it immoral and unright.

[Paradox of Life]

it's not just that.

if you didn't notice, harry and his pals consistantly undermine authority and ignore rules.  he also doesn't respect his aunt and uncle, when they feed and clothe him.  he exhibits morals that are non-christian and he promotes disrespect to authority.

Ahaha.. Good point.. But being immoral has nothing to do with being Christian or not. People do things that are just part of their personality. If being Christian means you have to be perfect and not be yourself just for the sake of "good, righteous (sp?) behavior", than doesn't that suck indivuality out of life? Harry, as an individual, wanted to do the things he did and that's what makes him the character he is. Whether it's immoral or not shouldn't decide if he's a "Satanist". Being non-Christian isn't being Satanist.

The whole mood of the book is "magical". Someone who can preform magic, lift up objects, repair broken glasses. Is this more dark and Satanic or light-hearted and friendly? JK Rowling might've wanted to make this to prove Christians that witches and wizards aren't always following Satan, that they're nice. If this was such an issue, why not ban Halloween?

[TaintedDesires]

It's just fiction, a story that JK Rowling made up. Most disney fairytales have some kind of supernatural thing going on. If Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft, then is Charmed, the TV show, satanic because they do witchcraft?

[lil_cheer_chick]

Hey, I like Harry Potter and all, but I don't think it's like evil. I read all the books (I gave up on the 5th one actually), and I like them. The only bad part is the keep getting longer and longer (the 5th one is over a thousand pages! Come one people!).

[*nightmare4taki*]

I could care less. Harry Potter is for entertainment purposes, nothing more, nothing less. Is it so hard to distribute between fantasy and reality?

[gotblog4me?]

Hey, I like Harry Potter and all, but I don't think it's like evil. I read all the books (I gave up on the 5th one actually), and I like them. The only bad part is the keep getting longer and longer (the 5th one is over a thousand pages! Come one people!).

actually, its 800 some pages, and like I said, I'm not against it!

[heyyfrankie]

ha. whenever i heard that people thought that harry potter was santanic...i literally laughed out loud! i thought it was ridiculous. no...harry potter is just for fun and for kids...MOST kids love magic so, of course, they are going to read it. there is nothing wrong harry potter.

[Paradox of Life]

It's just fiction, a story that JK Rowling made up. Most disney fairytales have some kind of supernatural thing going on. If Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft, then is Charmed, the TV show, satanic because they do witchcraft?

And Sabrina the Teenaged Witch? Kiki's Delivery Service? And everything else that has something to do with magic? I think this is total bogus to give you the truth.

And you should probably change the size of your sig, Tainted.

[karrar]

She still ripped of Star Wars.

[WickedDreamer]

Someone asked about LOTR up there, supposably it has some Christian values in it.

How could someone grow up not watching Disney movies? Wow... that would be so weird! What would you watch? Little House on the Prairie....

[sikdragon]

The ignorance does not lie in the anti-harry potterists, but with the little retards that go out and try that crap. You don't have to be a Christian to understand the dangers of familiar spirits. Even psychics and mediums who have by the church been proclaimed heretics acknowledge the danger of going into any sort of relation with familiar spirits. That's all witch craft is. They try and butter it up by saying it's the worship of mother earth which seems all well and good, but really it's self worship and an indirect worship of the devil. I say indirect for those who think they practice "white magic" or claim to be "wikkens". They speak or communicate through rituals and incantations to spirits that claim to be the good guys only to draw them in further. It's sad that things have to get that far. It's a fictional book that i quite enjoyed. Ignorance is the most dangerous WMD.

[sammi rules you]

^ i think it's ironic that you say how ignorance is so bad, yet you seem to be and always have been quite ignorant.

perhaps you should know a bit about w-i-c-c-a-n-s (yes, that's how it's spelled) before you go spouting off what they do and who/what they worship.

[slipper]

i seriously bet this harry being evil thing started from mothers who takes things too seriously, that & they're die-hard christians.

[sadolakced acid]

Someone asked about LOTR up there, supposably it has some Christian values in it.

How could someone grow up not watching Disney movies? Wow... that would be so weird! What would you watch? Little House on the Prairie....

LOTR has been banned by a church in illnois. anyways:

there are NOT christian values in LOTRs. it was made up, like people trying to say evanescence was a christian band (christian stores even stocked thier CD).

tolkien was just trying to make a good story. that's what he said himself.

The ignorance does not lie in the anti-harry potterists, but with the little retards that go out and try that crap. You don't have to be a Christian to understand the dangers of familiar spirits. Even psychics and mediums who have by the church been proclaimed heretics acknowledge the danger of going into any sort of relation with familiar spirits. That's all witch craft is. They try and butter it up by saying it's the worship of mother earth which seems all well and good, but really it's self worship and an indirect worship of the devil. I say indirect for those who think they practice "white magic" or claim to be "wikkens". They speak or communicate through rituals and incantations to spirits that claim to be the good guys only to draw them in further. It's sad that things have to get that far. It's a fictional book that i quite enjoyed. Ignorance is the most dangerous WMD.

f**k you.

[Paradox of Life]

^ i think it's ironic that you say how ignorance is so bad, yet you seem to be and always have been quite ignorant.

perhaps you should know a bit about w-i-c-c-a-n-s (yes, that's how it's spelled) before you go spouting off what they do and who/what they worship.

Amen! Sikdragon, you try a bit too hard to sound smart. I know that sounds like a really "ignorant" insult, but I'm only stating my opinions like I have throughout the debate forum.

There's nothing Satanic about Harry Potter. JK Rowling can just call them by different names if people are so concerned about "wiccans", "witches", and "wizards".

[Individualityy]

You guys..Harry potter is ENTERTAINMENT..
..It's a CHILDREN'S BOOK..

There may be some startling similarities that relate to Christianity..but there's also startling similarities that link Harry Potter to lord of the rings! So what's the big problem??

Harry Potter is for our imagination..JK Rowling is in no way urging us to go demote Christianity or something..

[sadolakced acid]

sikdragon, you have made me see the light.

i've been going about this all wrong.

jesus is right. therefore, i'm going to go worship the devil, dance naked int he moonlight, eat little children, boil frogs, kill innocent christians, summon familiar spirits that will haunt the earth and destroy all good.

because i am the anti-christ.

thank you.

[sikdragon]

I never said harry was evil. I love the books. I said the the real life things that are used to imitate harry are dangerous. My bad about the spelling. I've read about some wiccan practices, if what i've read is incomplete or wrong, i apologize. However, the source is the same for all magics, sorcery, and self-empowerment. That's fine if you consider me ignorant. Go ahead make posters and splatter them all over the city if you like. This is just my "educated" opinion. I learn as much as i can. I rely on resources of which may be flawed. I'm human. I'm passionate. I'm controversial. I seek only truth and what i posted is the truth i've found relating to the discussion at hand. If it was false truth it was not shared under my knowledge of it being false. It's funny how that even when i agree with you, you still attack my character. I'm not talking to all of you. The ones i speak of know who they are.

[sadolakced acid]

I never said harry was evil. I love the books. I said the the real life things that are used to imitate harry are dangerous. My bad about the spelling. I've read about some wiccan practices, if what i've read is incomplete or wrong, i apologize. However, the source is the same for all magics, sorcery, and self-empowerment. That's fine if you consider me ignorant. Go ahead make posters and splatter them all over the city if you like. This is just my "educated" opinion. I learn as much as i can. I rely on resources of which may be flawed. I'm human. I'm passionate. I'm controversial. I seek only truth and what i posted is the truth i've found relating to the discussion at hand. If it was false truth it was not shared under my knowledge of it being false. It's funny how that even when i agree with you, you still attack my character. I'm not talking to all of you. The ones i speak of know who they are.

ehh.

what do i do when you call all religions that aren't christianity fundamentally the worship of satan?

[sikdragon]

Islam isn't worshipping satan. As long as they dont worship mohammed muslims are on the right track for the most part. There is one God and he has many names. There are more that's just one example.

[sadolakced acid]

Islam isn't worshipping satan. As long as they dont worship mohammed muslims are on the right track for the most part. There is one God and he has many names. There are more that's just one example.

but you're saying pagans are fundamentally worshipping satan.

pagans, to my understanding worship all nature-spirits, and that includes the evil. ying-yang, or something like that. because if you ignore the evil, good will not be balanced.

like satan was a result of only good in the world, you know.

[sikdragon]

I do not believe that.

Jesus is God. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, for whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Him is God. You can know God and not know his name.

God won't hold misunderstandings against you at judgement so, neither do i.

[sammi rules you]

well just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. people believe differently than you.

[tofuburger]

..i never really thought about it like that..i doubt anybody reading the book has really sat there and tried to link it to real life..it's purely for entertainment and ppl who really sit there and think about the story that intensely is just a little too weird for me...

[sikdragon]

well just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. people believe differently than you.

My statement was in response to this statement.

but you're saying pagans are fundamentally worshipping satan.

He's saying i said something when i didn't, so it does mean that it is not true. I dont believe like that.

[andriaalazing*]

haha it may be about witches or whatever, but it in no way promotes it, or MAKES you believe in it. its the same old good vs. evil story. get over it.

[sadolakced acid]

haha it may be about witches or whatever, but it in no way promotes it, or MAKES you believe in it. its the same old good vs. evil story. get over it.

ehh. debate's a corner of cB that's a bit different. it has it's own set of rules. (see sticky)

please try to add more to your posts than just your opinion- this is debate, make an arguement.

thanks, and welcome to cB.

[SillyCourtney]

Well, this has been said a hundred times, but it's not satanic. Everything is fictional. It's all for fun and enjoyment. In 6th grade my Social Studies teacher banned the books from his classroom because, and I quote, "J. K. Rowling is a witch! She leads a cult and all those spells are real. She's trying to recruit more children for her cult. I will not allow those satanist books into my classroom!" When I said, "But it's all fiction. For fun, you know?" He threatened to write me up for "insubordination." It was so retarded, and I made it a point to bring my Goblet of Fire book into class every day.

But, as someone stated earlier, if you're going to ban HP, then you have to ban a lot of Disney movies also. Those little "subliminal messages" aren't very appropriate, not to mention several of them haves witches and wizards in them.

[sikdragon]

Look at the google ad sense at the bottom of the page, just because it's fictional doesn't mean that it's not related to the real thing even if it is indirect.

the one i saw was the pagan direct store.

[mocassinsx29]

Wtf, hell no. J.K. Rowling was trying to show how people from different worlds could relate, how every job in life is hard, and she was just trying to portray themes like this and more in an interesting way. Wtf. No, it's not in any way encourage Satan. And if [IF, it isn't though] it was, then people who don't wanna read it- don't read it!

[sikdragon]

are you arguing with the topic or someone in particular?

[sw33t_rouge]

are school is a christian academy..so nope were not alowed to read harry potter in the school..school boards think that harry potter is witchcraft .

[sammi rules you]

err it is but it's just entertainment

[xsweetxcandyx]

i've read all the books that are out
nothing to do with Satan
and i haven't had the urge to become a witch either
HP is a nicely writen book with a fun FICTIONAL story
=]

[emazing]

I don't think Harry Potter is trying to promote witchcraft.
I mean, I'm a Catholic and I still like reading the HP series, even though they practice witchcraft, and the whole bunch of them are witches and wizards.

[Mulder]

harry potter saves people from evil. Its just an innocent childrens story. Until I read about Harry performing human sacrifices, I'm gonna have to say thats its okay.

[xXgWenZilLaXx]

wiccans dont believe in satan. get it straight

[hunnigurl01]

its a fiction story. cmon people. nobody is worshipping the devil and we all know witches dont exist

check your facts
people to worship the devil, and there is witchcraft in real life.

[Mulder]

check your facts 
people to worship the devil, and there is witchcraft in real life.

what they meant was that no one in the harry potter series worships the devil. and technically, yea there is witchcraft in real life (wicca).

[sadolakced acid]

the title of the next harry potter book indicates it's evil.

the 'half- blood prince' most certainly refers to the devil's son, a prince of darkness, half fallen angel, half human.

however, if by some happence this is not the case, it must be noted that the half-blood prince is of a mixed race, which is dispicable and unchristian. such mongrels should not be allowed to live.

((i am flame retardant. don't even try. if inclined, please look up sarcasm. ))

[KERP1UNK]

i have read almost every post in this entire thread and i still fail to see how harry potter is satanic/has to do with satan..


and...

Well, this has been said a hundred times, but it's not satanic. Everything is fictional. It's all for fun and enjoyment. In 6th grade my Social Studies teacher banned the books from his classroom because, and I quote, "J. K. Rowling is a witch! She leads a cult and all those spells are real. She's trying to recruit more children for her cult. I will not allow those satanist books into my classroom!" When I said, "But it's all fiction. For fun, you know?" He threatened to write me up for "insubordination." It was so retarded, and I made it a point to bring my Goblet of Fire book into class every day.

But, as someone stated earlier, if you're going to ban HP, then you have to ban a lot of Disney movies also. Those little "subliminal messages" aren't very appropriate, not to mention several of them haves witches and wizards in them.

whoa!! r u serious?? i would be soooo mad if my teacher said that!! i would be like sthu!!

[gelionie]

I believe in God and I read Harry Potter.

Can anyone of you say that you have not read about dragons and fairies when you were a little kid? Exactly. Those fairy tales do not encourage witchcraft or that sort in the same way as HP.

HP is just fiction. It is created out of imagination and creativity.

[vehvih]

are school is a christian academy..so nope were not alowed to read harry potter in the school..school boards think that harry potter is witchcraft .

My old school was an all girl Catholic private school [back in Philippines] and Harry Potter books ain't banned over there. It's literature, so books, Harry Potters, Da Vinci Code, etc.. are ok. Some teachers even recommend them.

[enyceXaddiction]

Naw, it's not from satan. Everybody knows it's ripped of from Star Wars.

how is it ripped of off starwars

[whomps]

Naw, it's not from satan. Everybody knows it's ripped of from Star Wars.

Pssh, no. Harry Potter is fiction. It's not satanic. J.K. Rowling is just an awesome writer.

[persephones]

I can see how people would think of Harry Potter as Satanic--it's a common misconception that witchcraft is synonymous with Satanism. So, Christians heard Harry Potter was a book about a kid in a school for witches, and therefore, thought it was Satanic. Harry Potter was just stereotyped because witches are stereotyped. Witches(also called Wiccans) ARE NOT Satanists. Wicca is a religion all its own. Satan is a Christian concept, and as Wiccans aren't Christian in any way, they don't worship Satan.

I don't believe that Harry Potter is Satanic at all. People(not to be discriminating, but mostly Christians) warp things as simple as a child's TV show way out of proportion. I even saw a page once about how that anime series Sailor Moon was Satanic. So yeah, it's easy to see how they can take Harry Potter and make it Satanic by using stereotypes.

[sadolakced acid]

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I can see how people would think of Harry Potter as Satanic--it's a common misconception that witchcraft is synonymous with Satanism. So, Christians heard Harry Potter was a book about a kid in a school for witches, and therefore, thought it was Satanic. Harry Potter was just stereotyped because witches are stereotyped. Witches(also called Wiccans) ARE NOT Satanists. Wicca is a religion all its own. Satan is a Christian concept, and as Wiccans aren't Christian in any way, they don't worship Satan.

I don't believe that Harry Potter is Satanic at all. People(not to be discriminating, but mostly Christians) warp things as simple as a child's TV show way out of proportion. I even saw a page once about how that anime series Sailor Moon was Satanic. So yeah, it's easy to see how they can take Harry Potter and make it Satanic by using stereotypes.

BLEh. read the thread. it's been discussed.

and as far as harry potter being satanic, it is. in the sense that any ideology of doing things for your benefit is satanism. which it, technically, is.

[*disco infiltrator*]

the title of the next harry potter book indicates it's evil.

the 'half- blood prince' most certainly refers to the devil's son, a prince of darkness,  half fallen angel, half human. 

however, if by some happence this is not the case, it must be noted that the half-blood prince is of a mixed race, which is dispicable and unchristian.  such mongrels should not be allowed to live. 

((i am flame retardant.  don't even try.  if inclined, please look up sarcasm.  ))

lol. i love you justin.

even if it is in any way satanic, they should not ban it. freedom of speech.

[rinygrin]

1. There's a BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN White Magic and Dark Magic
2. It's a STORY!
3. No Mention of Satan!
4. It's a story..

May I add...theres very different types of satinists.. its not all 'devil worshiping' and crap..do your research!

[xlauren73x]

no way! If you say take away harry potter because it encourages witchcraft, then you have to take away huge pieces of literature as well. what's next.. you cannot read anne frank because it shows hitlers thoughs and may encourage them? you cannot read tom sawyer because it encorages kids to skip school and things like that? you cannot read romeo and juliet because it encourages suicide?

people are so dumb.. i saw this online and spazzed.

[rinygrin]

Besides: Pratically anything 'magical' or 'No Mention of Christ' is considered 'Satanic'. Besides their just angry because it's making more profit and money. And have any of them read the book? It's GOOD VS. EVIL! The recent pope actually liked the harry potter book, not the one now of course, but still...just accept the fact, ITS ONLY A STORY, but if anything its a GOOD STORY.

[The_must_die]

I agree that it isn't satanic.I've read the books,and I just want to add:the children in the books seem to be christian.Like,they celebrate christmas and easter.Even though,I suppose,there isn't any mention of going to church or having services or anything,but that's probably because J.K Rowling didn't want to make people of other religions feel bad.

[sadolakced acid]

I agree that it isn't satanic.I've read the books,and I just want to add:the children in the books seem to be christian.Like,they celebrate christmas and easter.Even though,I suppose,there isn't any mention of going to church or having services or anything,but that's probably because J.K Rowling didn't want to make people of other religions feel bad.

no, in britian, if i'm not mistaken, people recognise that christmas isn't really that christian, and easter not that christian either.

need james to confirm this.,

[rinygrin]

no, in britian, if i'm not mistaken, people recognise that christmas isn't really that christian, and easter not that christian either.

need james to confirm this.,

lol yah, also i've heard they don't even celebrate 'trick or treating' or anything of that..odd

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lol yah, also i've heard they don't even celebrate 'trick or treating' or anything of that..odd 

and they celebrate the day someone tried to blow up parliament.

[*x____duckii*]

Satanists worship the devil.

Might want to learn about Satanism as well because they don't worship Satan. They don't even believe in Satan. Christians do.

The HP books aren't Satanic. People really need to learn that Witchcraft and Satanism are in no way related at all. Now, I don't know why such people have to be making a big deal about this. It's fiction, and it doesn't even corrupt the children's minds, unlike MTV.

People always stereotype everything, especially religious Christians. I mean, I remember this thing about SpongeBob SquarePants promoting homosexuality and why it should be banned.

People really need to learn their facts and such before saying anything.

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Might want to learn about Satanism as well because they don't worship Satan. They don't even believe in Satan. Christians do.

The HP books aren't Satanic. People really need to learn that Witchcraft and Satanism are in no way related at all. Now, I don't know why such people have to be making a big deal about this. It's fiction, and it doesn't even corrupt the children's minds, unlike MTV.

People always stereotype everything, especially religious Christians. I mean, I remember this thing about SpongeBob SquarePants promoting homosexuality and why it should be banned.

People really need to learn their facts and such before saying anything.

the harry potter books are satanic.

satanism isn't belief in satan or worship of the devil... it's only doing things that benefit you.

the book contains such characters, and was written for such a purpose.

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^ So eating food is considered Satanic?

[*Azarel*]

these types of things confuse me. my neighbors, who are an extremely christian family, aren't allowed to read or watch harry potter, but ARE allowed to watch lord of the rings.
if anyone else is very christian, can you explain this to me?

A bit late of a response, but I remember a discussion on this in my eighth grade religion class.

So. When was the last time you saw a hobbit? Or an orc? Those things don't exist, but wizardry is like witchcraft or satanism - it's real, hence the Christian reaction toward it.

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^ So eating food is considered Satanic?

gluttony.

[xlauren73x]

people connect santanism and witchcraft because they define witchcraft as practicing black magic.. which can be connected to satan. honestly, i think people need to realize that the books are fiction. if you try and band one book from children you are going to have to band a billion more. and trust me, im a very religious christian but i love the harry potter books, i understand that they are fiction and they are in no way 'promoting witchcraft'. i mean really people, if we all believed in everything we read this would be one crazy world.

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people connect santanism and witchcraft because they define witchcraft as practicing black magic.. which can be connected to satan. honestly, i think people need to realize that the books are fiction. if you try and band one book from children you are going to have to band a billion more. and trust me, im a very religious christian but i love the harry potter books, i understand that they are fiction and they are in no way 'promoting witchcraft'. i mean really people, if we all believed in everything we read this would be one crazy world.

in the words of lorelli gilmore and lorelli gilmore:

"that's redundant. "
"and repetitive"
"that's redundant"
"and repetitive"
"that's redundant"
"and repetitive"

[*disco infiltrator*]

A bit late of a response, but I remember a discussion on this in my eighth grade religion class.

So. When was the last time you saw a hobbit? Or an orc? Those things don't exist, but wizardry is like witchcraft or satanism - it's real, hence the Christian reaction toward it.

Ah, well yes, but I just don't understand. Lord of the Rings is about happenings in Middle Earth; things that happened before humans were here and it completely contradicts Christian belief. Plus, there's wizards in Lord of the Rings too.

In all fairness, I doubt those trying to ban it have seen witchcraft being practiced either.

[[Mediocre]Artist]

Harry Potter isn't Satanic. Its a fun way to brush up on your latin and nice to make weed and sex jokes about. People need to chill out and quit looking for deep meaning in everything. Its just a stupid story a mother started on a cafe napkin to entertain her annoying kids.

[Biblesterr743]

oh my gosh.... people interpret things too seriously.... how can harry potter be such a thing? come on!!! young/little kids are reading this!! the da vinci code is taken so seriously, and other books too. if some one wants to talk about how these fiction stories are corrupting society, then why dont they just go back to the fairy tales, and talk about those....

sigh.

[*Azarel*]

Ah, well yes, but I just don't understand. Lord of the Rings is about happenings in Middle Earth; things that happened before humans were here and it completely contradicts Christian belief. Plus, there's wizards in Lord of the Rings too.
In all fairness, I doubt those trying to ban it have seen witchcraft being practiced either.

However, not to the extent that HP deals with it. And what do you mean, "happened before humans were here"? Are some characters in LotR, such as Aragorn and Boromir, not human?

Harry Potter isn't Satanic.  Its a fun way to brush up on your latin and nice to make weed and sex jokes about.  People need to chill out and quit looking for deep meaning in everything.  Its just a stupid story a mother started on a cafe napkin to entertain her annoying kids.

oh my gosh.... people interpret things too seriously....  how can harry potter be such a thing?  come on!!!  young/little kids are reading this!!  the da vinci code is taken so seriously, and other books too.  if some one wants to talk about how these fiction stories are corrupting society, then why dont they just go back to the fairy tales, and talk about those....
sigh.

If you two had read the thread, you'd find we'd already established that. Read debate forum rules and stop regurgitating shit. kthx.

[sikdragon]

(headphones @ Jul 12 2005, 8:11 AM)
Ah, well yes, but I just don't understand. Lord of the Rings is about happenings in Middle Earth; things that happened before humans were here and it completely contradicts Christian belief. Plus, there's wizards in Lord of the Rings too.
In all fairness, I doubt those trying to ban it have seen witchcraft being practiced either.

Lord of the rings does not contradict christian belief in the slightest. J.R.R. Tolkien was a very christian man. He used many metaphors to describes events in the bible. 300 warriors against 10,000. Ten rings ten crowns. There are so many that you can't even name them all.

[Hell-Rell]

The media hates to see something go so well. Harry Potter is a very high selling book and it has alot of kid reading. Then they come up with something ridiculous about it to stir up trouble. I'm 16 years old and I have read all the harry potter chapters. Now I'm 16 I don't want to belive in the devil nor do I deny god.

It's called Fiction people!

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Lord of the rings does not contradict christian belief in the slightest. J.R.R. Tolkien was a very christian man. He used many metaphors to describes events in the bible. 300 warriors against 10,000. Ten rings ten crowns. There are so many that you can't even name them all.

NO HE DID NOT

he was just trying to WRITE A STORY

they ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT.

give me proof, in the form of a quote from him, that those are purposeful metaphors.

[*Azarel*]

NO HE DID NOT
he was just trying to WRITE A STORY
they ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT.
give me proof, in the form of a quote from him, that those are purposeful metaphors.

...As for any inner meaning or 'message,' it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the froty grew it put down roots (into teh past) and threw our unexpected branches: but its main theme was setled from the outset by the inevitable choice of the Ring as the link between it and The Hobbit...

Other arrangements could be devised acccording to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical refernce. But Icordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old an wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, ture or geigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of the readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory;' but the one resides in the freedom of the deader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.

However:

"The Lord of the Rings" is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work. Unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision."

http://www.theonering.com/docs/10079.html

[lakerfever2476]

I don't see too many people beginning witchcraft or wicca because of reading a juvenile fiction book.

[*Azarel*]

The media hates to see something go so well. Harry Potter is a very high selling book and it has alot of kid reading. Then they come up with something ridiculous about it to stir up trouble. I'm 16 years old and I have read all the harry potter chapters. Now I'm 16 I don't want to belive in the devil nor do I deny god.
It's called Fiction people!

Read both the debate forum rules and the first three pages of the thread before posting something obvious like this.

I don't see too many people beginning witchcraft or wicca because of reading a juvenile fiction book.

Irrelevent to the topic at hand.

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LOTRs can't be christian...

it's banned by a church...

[*Azarel*]

LOTRs can't be christian...
it's banned by a church...

And since when are churches always right?

Anyway, as for the original topic - morality is something that varies from person to person. I see nothing wrong with reading HP or LotR. Neither are truly meant to steer people astray, and plus. Both amusing.