Double Standards, Men vs. Women Options

[rOckThISshYt]

As I'm sure everyone knows, there are many double standards when it comes to men and women. The most obvious and known one is:

Girl sleeps around=slut/smut/whore/hoe/hoebag (AND SO MUCH MORE! )
Guy sleeps around=pimp/player/playa/stud/"true" man/etc...

Now, that's just cruel. I don't even think men should sleep around. But there are many more double standards than that, too. I mean, there are some unfair ones when it comes to men, too.

Girls can hit guys all they want but a guy can never hit a girl. Not only is it not be fair for them to defend themselves (which it should be), it implies taht woman are infirior, less capable, and weaker. Honestly, a lot of them time we are. But that's just natural because men have hormones that make them build muscle much easier than us chicas. Now, I'm not saying that if we go full force at men they should pound this sh!t out of us. But I do think they should be aloud to maybe slap us back. Not hard. But it's only fair. (Not in a relationship, though, because it's known that the woman have more power. )


I was just wondering what you thought of these double standards. Also, if you can think of any more, post them. And we can reply our thoughts about those, too. Just... er.... yeah. reply.

[Rikkiismyname]

Hey Um I kinda agree with you because me and my "girl"friends are alwayspicked last in P.E. at school but in other times like when we're playing at lunch or something then i'm usually picked like first because alot of the time my best guy friend is a catian. Well it would be better for all girls and guys i guess if every one was treated equally likewe were supossed to be. Even my friends up by my house treat me like a girly girl even thought i act more like a guy than anything else.......

[fameONE]

Ok, slow down, lock up the ABS and pull up the e-brake because now, you're opening this debate up to be a topic of man-bashing.

I don't believe in the double standard. If a girl's a whore, so is the guy. If a guy can "praised" for his 'trophies' so can women. Conversely, I think that this is wrong and it devalues you as a person.

Eliminate the double standard. Eliminate careless sexual encounters. Eliminate stupidity.

[rOckThISshYt]

Ok, slow down, lock up the ABS and pull up the e-brake because now, you're opening this debate up to be a topic of man-bashing.

I don't believe in the double standard. If a girl's a whore, so is the guy. If a guy can "praised" for his 'trophies' so can women. Conversely, I think that this is wrong and it devalues you as a person.

Eliminate the double standard. Eliminate careless sexual encounters. Eliminate stupidity.

No, I actually did not open up a debate for man bashing. I added a part about how there are doube standards for men, too. So it's not just about how crappy men are or anything.

[Paradox of Life]

Yeah, I agree with you very much, rOckThISshYt. My school's PE barely allows the girls to exercise. The guys go outside and have a good workout (pushups, jumping jacks, military-like exercises) and the girls inside playing an easier version of kickball using a deflated volley ball. They don't expect anything from us even though the top runner in the whole sixth grade is a girl. I hate it when someone tells me, "You throw good... For a girl," or something like that. I'm sick and tired of being treated as an inferior and I agree that I hate the rule that guys can't hit girls, but girls can hit guys. It's like people made up these strange, unfair rules of propriety to console the girls about being the lesser gender.

[pandamonium]

its because you let people call you hoes bitches sluts etc... why dont you try using those words less. Dont lie i know you have thought of calling another chick a slut. you girls (not all of you) disrespect each other by playing games and saying rumors. Guys dont care about that stuff they dont spread rumors. but girls dont build enough respect for one another. thats why they make it ok for men to call them whores or sluts blah blah blah.

next time think about what your doing. cause for a a fact some girls turn really mad and angry and call each other names then it lets other people call them names also.

[jue]

i do feel bad when a girl or someoene kicks a guy in their croutch (sp?) and all they can do is cry in pain and they cant hit the girls back.

[rOckThISshYt]

i do feel bad when a girl or someoene kicks a guy in their croutch (sp?) and all they can do is cry in pain and they cant hit the girls back.

Why can't they? They have ever right to, I believe. And this is coming from a girl. As long as the girl doens't have a valid reason to kick a guy in the balls, he should hit her back. Not like beat her up, but defend himself in the least.

The whole rule about how guys aren't suposed to hit girl is in a way a double-standard on our part. Would you like to know why?

This rule was created because it was believed that women were less capable, infirior, weaker, less independant, etc. than men. That list could go on forever. So why not hit the girl back? If she messes with him, he has the right to defend himself. Hell, I've gotten into fights with guys on more than one occasion. And I would like it to be known that I have never lost a fight.

[XoJennaoX]

I agree with pandamonium, i really think that girls set these double standards for themselves, buy using them against each other.

As for the whole guy being allowed to hit a girl back...(by the way if you don't know females ARE physically weaker, it is in our nature if you want to believe it or not) So it is respectful for the the physically stronger not to hit the weaker, thats not really a double standard....like an older sibling shouldn't pick on a younger one, it's just common courtesy......of course self defense is okay for anyone to use......but how about nobody hits each other at all!

[Spirited Away]

this topic is becoming like this one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...hl=battle+sexes

My response is in that thread.

[fameONE]

Its a shame that double standards exist, but, nonetheless, they do.

Think about all the guys that feel thereatened by the fact that a woman makes more money than they do. Or the women that are physically superior then they. Its the evolution of gender in today's social climate. Things are coming full circle. Ladys is pimps too.

And its all thanks to that damn Sex and the City!

[*kryogenix*]

http://askadick.com/stories.php?story=03/12/08/3666667

[rOckThISshYt]

I agree with pandamonium, i really think that girls set these double standards for themselves, buy using them against each other.

As for the whole guy being allowed to hit a girl back...(by the way if you don't know females ARE physically weaker, it is in our nature if you want to believe it or not) So it is respectful for the the physically stronger not to hit the weaker, thats not really a double standard....like an older sibling shouldn't pick on a younger one, it's just common courtesy......of course self defense is okay for anyone to use......but how about nobody hits each other at all! 

How do girls set double standards for themselves? Give me an example, please because I really don't understand what you mean.

Obviously most guys are stronger than girls because guys have hormones that allow them to get stronger faster. But that doesn't mean that they are all weaker than the guys. I've never lost a fight. Including against men. And I've gotten some guys fired up that wouldn't mind hitting me with full force. And they did. But I still got them.

[XoJennaoX]

How do girls set double standards for themselves? Give me an example, please because I really don't understand what you mean.

Pandamonium said it above...girls call each other these names like hoe, bitch, slut, etc. If they don't want to be called names themselves, then girls need to stop using them against each other, and start to build respect for one another. When girls do not respect other girls in the same manner, how would that influence men to treat them any better?

Obviously most guys are stronger than girls because guys have hormones that allow them to get stronger faster. But that doesn't mean that they are all weaker than the guys. I've never lost a fight. Including against men. And I've gotten some guys fired up that wouldn't mind hitting me with full force. And they did. But I still got them.

Your situation is just one out of many, i have seen body builder women that could kick the shyt out of most men, but that does not mean most women are capable.

[rOckThISshYt]

Pandamonium said it above...girls call each other these names like hoe, bitch, slut, etc. If they don't want to be called names themselves, then girls need to stop using them against each other, and start to build respect for one another. When girls do not respect other girls in the same manner, how would that influence men to treat them any better?

Your situation is just one out of many, i have seen body builder women that could kick the shyt out of most men, but that does not mean most women are capable.

Yes, girls do call each other hoes and sluts and what not. But some of them actually deserve it. But, the thing is, almost all guys are hoeish... The ones that can be anyway. They think they can sleep around with whoever they want and be a pimp but when they call girls whores. I just think that's wrong how guys are considered pimps when a girl is equivilently called a hoe.

[rOckThISshYt]

its because you let people call you hoes bitches sluts etc... why dont you try using those words less. Dont lie i know you have thought of calling another chick a slut. you girls (not all of you) disrespect each other by playing games and saying rumors. Guys dont care about that stuff they dont spread rumors. but girls dont build enough respect for one another. thats why they make it ok for men to call them whores or sluts blah blah blah.

next time think about what your doing. cause for a a fact some girls turn really mad and angry and call each other names then it lets other people call them names also.

I have called chicks sluts many times. But they deserve it. It's coming from the perspective of someone that's not a slut. But when a guy that sleeps around and calls girls sluts is the problem. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone a slut if they truely are one. I mean, you don't just walk up to them and call them a slut but if you're arguing with someone and they're talking shit, you say it back.

But about the guys nost spreading rumors is serious crap. I had this guy I was dating spread crap about us. I was at his house and no one was home and his friends came over while I was there and so he had proof that I was over his house. He told a bunch of people that we had sex and I gave him head. I know that didn't happen. Nothing over kissing and grinding to Usher happened between us. So yeah.. They do spread shit.


I'm just saying it's bad when a slut calls another slut a hoe or something and trying to be offensive because all it is is them being hypocrital and I hate hypocrits. But girls can be the same way with guys, too. I'm not saying that. But it is a fact that guys have a tendancy to call girls whores when they get off sexing everyone with a nice ass that comes their way.

[fameONE]

Lets not forget the gay guys out there that walk around speaking and acting is if they were a female and freely calling girls 'bitches, whores and sluts.' And do the girls do anything about it? More of than not; nothing is done at all. Thats a double standard within itself.

[rOckThISshYt]

Lets not forget the gay guys out there that walk around speaking and acting is if they were a female and freely calling girls 'bitches, whores and sluts.' And do the girls do anything about it? More of than not; nothing is done at all. Thats a double standard within itself.

What does homosexuality have anything to do with this? I know plenty of gay guys and I can't remember the last time I heard the word "slut" or anything else like it come out of their mouths.

But thank you! You have just made me think of another double standard!


In today's society, to many people (especially men) it is GREAT or at least okay for a girl to be a lesbian or bisexual. For a guy.. it's totaly off-limits. When was the last time you heard of a chick getting beaten the crap out of for being homo/bisexual? I can't think of the last time. You hear it about gay men all the time.

New Details Emerge in Matthew Shepard Murder
Killers Talk About Crime That Shocked the Nation
Dec. 1, 2004 - Six years ago, on a cold October night on the outskirts of Laramie, Wyo., 21-year-old gay college student Matthew Shepard was brutally beaten, tied to a fence and left for dead. He was found 18 hours later and rushed to the hospital, where he lingered on the edge of death for nearly five days before succumbing to his injuries.

The story garnered national attention when the attack was characterized as a hate crime. But Shepard's killers, in their first interview since their convictions, tell "20/20's" Elizabeth Vargas that money and drugs motivated their actions that night, not hatred of gays.

While Shepard lay unconscious in a hospital, the national press quickly arrived in Laramie. Cal Rerucha, who prosecuted the case, told Vargas the media descended on Laramie "like locusts."

"We knew in the newsroom the day it happened, this is going to be a huge story, this is going to attract international interest," said Jason Marsden of "The Casper Star-Tribune."

"I remember one of my fellow reporters saying, 'this kid is going to be the new poster child for gay rights," he added. News of Shepard's death sparked reaction overseas and demonstrations across America.

"I think a lot of gay people, when they first heard of that horrifying event, felt sort of punched in the stomach. I mean it kind of encapsulated all our fears of being victimized," said writer Andrew Sullivan, a prominent gay rights advocate.

But as the push for gay rights found new force, so did a corresponding backlash from anti-gay opponents who came from out of state to grab a piece of the media spotlight.

Tensions were so high that Shepard's father wore a bulletproof vest under his suit when he spoke at his son's funeral service.

"The saddest part of this whole case was at Matthew's funeral, when they, these people, refused to let Matthew be buried with dignity," said Rerucha. "I never saw people that could hate so much."


Killers Both Receive Two Consecutive Life Sentences
Local residents Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, both 21 at the time, were charged with Shepard's murder. Henderson's case came before the court first. To avoid the possibility of receiving the death penalty, he pleaded guilty to murder and kidnapping and received two consecutive life terms in prison.
McKinney's case went to trial a year after Shepard's death. He was convicted of felony murder, aggravated robbery and kidnapping. Before the jury was about to decide his sentence, he, too, reached a deal that allowed him to avoid a possible death penalty. Both men are serving double life sentences in prison.

Authorities asked "20/20" not to disclose the prison location.

-ABCNews.com


I don't know how many people heard about that, but it was a huge case for a long time. Hate crime against gay men. There aren't too many crimes against female lesbians or bisexuals.

[fameONE]

You missed that completely. A double standard for men and women is how each gender perceives and handles disrespect. A straight male calls a girl a "bitch" and anyone with half a brain knows that he needs to get popped in the mouth. But yet, an overly feminine and flamboyant gay guy will say the same thing and its no big deal. Then you have girls that jovially call each other bitches and sluts likes its not a big deal.

I think homosexuality is gross but I don't say that to slight someone who is. The thought of being near another guy in such an intimate manner really bothers me. Am I a homophobe? Not at all. My uncle's gay and one of my closest friends are. I'm not obsessed with lesbians and I'm not pressuring my girlfriend to go bi, but there is a certain sensuality and a level of eroticism with two girls kissing (like in your sig) that straight couples rarely obtain.

So many double standards to tackle, so little time.

[rOckThISshYt]

You missed that completely. A double standard for men and women is how each gender perceives and handles disrespect. A straight male calls a girl a "bitch" and anyone with half a brain knows that he needs to get popped in the mouth. But yet, an overly feminine and flamboyant gay guy will say the same thing and its no big deal. Then you have girls that jovially call each other bitches and sluts likes its not a big deal.

I think homosexuality is gross but I don't say that to slight someone who is. The thought of being near another guy in such an intimate manner really bothers me. Am I a homophobe? Not at all. My uncle's gay and one of my closest friends are. I'm not obsessed with lesbians and I'm not pressuring my girlfriend to go bi, but there is a certain sensuality and a level of eroticism with two girls kissing (like in your sig) that straight couples rarely obtain.

So many double standards to tackle, so little time.

*shrugs* I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like it when gay guys getting pounded and then the guy who pounds them turns around and jacks off to his girlfriend and some whore screwing. It just pisses me off.

[misoshiru]

well, there ARE the guys who're called man-whores.

Then you have girls that jovially call each other bitches and sluts likes its not a big deal.

this i agree with. because that's what i do.

i think in my school, we're much more liberal. girls are highly encouraged to play in sports. guys dont care so much about hitting girls especially after a girl's hit them. you know why they don't hit back after getting hit in the crotch? because they're in so much pain that they can't. it's kinda like if someone punches you really really hard in the boob.

why girls set double standards for themselves? its easy, because a lot of girls believe that guys shouldnt hit them, that girls should be treated nicer. that we shouldnt be called names like "slut, hoe, bitch, whatever." well, maybe they actually DESERVED to be called that. and who the hell said that you couldnt call a guy a manwhore or a bastard. just because you dont call them that doesn't mean that you cant.

when peple insult others, there's always at least a hint of truth in it. i'm sorry if you're such a femnazi and believe that women should be the dominating gender of the world, and seriously, why do you care if there's that unspoken rule "guys cant hit girls." i mean, its better, cuz you have greater chances for hitting guys.

[rOckThISshYt]

well, there ARE the guys who're called man-whores.
this i agree with.  because that's what i do.

i think in my school, we're much more liberal.  girls are highly encouraged to play in sports.  guys dont care so much about hitting girls especially after a girl's hit them.  you know why they don't hit back after getting hit in the crotch?  because they're in so much pain that they can't.  it's kinda like if someone punches you really really hard in the boob.

why girls set double standards for themselves?  its easy, because a lot of girls believe that guys shouldnt hit them, that girls should be treated nicer.  that we shouldnt be called names like "slut, hoe, bitch, whatever."  well, maybe they actually DESERVED to be called that.  and who the hell said that you couldnt call a guy a manwhore or a bastard.  just because you dont call them that doesn't mean that you cant.

when peple insult others, there's always at least a hint of truth in it.  i'm sorry if you're such a femnazi and believe that women should be the dominating gender of the world, and seriously, why do you care if there's that unspoken rule "guys cant hit girls."  i mean, its better, cuz you have greater chances for hitting guys.

Haha. I didn't think about the pain part of it.

I know some girls do deserved to be called sluts. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that guys can get away with a hell of a lot more when it comes to sleeping with girls and other things. When a girl sleeps with many guys (which I'm not promoting and I do not do) they're called a whore. Or maybe even one guy. But when a guy sleeps with many girls, few people will call him a man-whore. Trust me.. I've experienced some of it.

[fameONE]

The guys who can't come to terms with homosexuality among males are locked in the closet.

[sammi rules you]

well, considering i haven't really heard a guy call someone i'd consider a slut a slut if they did the same thing.....i don't see how that's a double standard. guys call eachother pimps and stuff, but the ones who call themselves that call the slut "hot".

[rOckThISshYt]

The guys who can't come to terms with homosexuality among males are locked in the closet.

Well, yeah. That's why people (especially the bisexuals and homosexuals) call people who haven't come out yet, "closet cases."

[rOckThISshYt]

well, considering i haven't really heard a guy call someone i'd consider a slut a slut if they did the same thing.....i don't see how that's a double standard. guys call eachother pimps and stuff, but the ones who call themselves that call the slut "hot".

Well, in this case, it's a double standard because it can be okay for guys to sleep with many girls at once but girls aren't suposed to or whatever. That's what makes it a double standard; the fact that (in some cases, not all) guys can get their pleasure from anyone they want and be looked up to but a girl is looked down upon if she does the same.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Any independent, self-sufficient woman would look at this banter and laugh.

Excuse me while I go get the proverbial handkerchief to rue, and woe the inescapable plight of the female gender...

Big emo tear time... pfft.

[sammi rules you]

Well, in this case, it's a double standard because it can be okay for guys to sleep with many girls at once but girls aren't suposed to or whatever. That's what makes it a double standard; the fact that (in some cases, not all) guys can get their pleasure from anyone they want and be looked up to but a girl is looked down upon if she does the same.

no. it's not okay to girls for guys to sleep around, nor is it ok for girls to sleep around. but the stereotypical guy doesn't care whether a guy sleeps around or a girl does.

girls are the ones that call both when and women whores (or manwhores)

[*not_your_average*]

Yeah, I agree with you very much, rOckThISshYt. My school's PE barely allows the girls to exercise. The guys go outside and have a good workout (pushups, jumping jacks, military-like exercises) and the girls inside playing an easier version of kickball using a deflated volley ball. They don't expect anything from us even though the top runner in the whole sixth grade is a girl. I hate it when someone tells me, "You throw good... For a girl," or something like that. I'm sick and tired of being treated as an inferior and I agree that I hate the rule that guys can't hit girls, but girls can hit guys. It's like people made up these strange, unfair rules of propriety to console the girls about being the lesser gender.

UGGH! I totally agree. For the last three days in PE, the guys went outside and played flag football, and the girls just stayed inside and did whatever. They didn't give us any actual exercise to do. It's SO annoying.

[rOckThISshYt]

Any independent, self-sufficient woman would look at this banter and laugh.

Excuse me while I go get the proverbial handkerchief to rue, and woe the inescapable plight of the female gender...

Big emo tear time... pfft.

Wow... you're really going to have a great time bashing me now, aren't you?

Whether you realize it or not, there are many double standards for women. I am very independent and self-sufficient for my age. Without knowing me, you wouldn't know that so I'd appreciate it if you judge me based on one stupid thing I did and keep repeatedly bashing me on it.

And now... (I'm sure you don't care) but my respect for you once again has pretty much gone quickly down. Obviously, as I'm sure you know, you're being very sexist which, as I hope you know, is a very close-minded thing.

Also, I'm not emo. I like emo but I don't like.. cut or anything. And I don't wear a specific steriotypical style of cloths known to emo girls. I also listen to many other styles of music.

Also, you said to me once that it's against forum rules to make personal stabs at someone. I wouldn't consider a whole gender much better - actually, I'd consider it worse.

[*CrackedRearView*]

It was directed at the topic in general.

Any group that's looking for a scapegoat: men, women, whites, blacks, Jews, handicapped, etc, loses my respect instantly.

One look at the sheer volume of success stories and triumphs over these so-called double standards should be proof enough that recognizing them in a topic of their own is unnecessary.

In the big scope of problems, if a few shallow, boorish comments such as 'slut' and 'hoebag' can knock you down in terms of self-worth, then you'll never get anywhere in life.

CEO of HP-Compaq Carly Fiorina was constantly beaten as a child and is today one of the only female CEOs in major business.

So before you go labeling me a sexist, understand the point of my post.

The point is that despite a lightweight double standard, women, and men, and whites, blacks, and Jews for that matter, can ignore/disprove them.

On the contrary, bickering about them in an isolated topic wastes everyone's time.

[rOckThISshYt]

It was directed at the topic in general.

Any group that's looking for a scapegoat: men, women, whites, blacks, Jews, handicapped, etc, loses my respect instantly.

One look at the sheer volume of success stories and triumphs over these so-called double standards should be proof enough that recognizing them in a topic of their own is unnecessary.

In the big scope of problems, if a few shallow, boorish comments such as 'slut' and 'hoebag' can knock you down in terms of self-worth, then you'll never get anywhere in life.

CEO of HP-Compaq Carly Fiorina was constantly beaten as a child and is today one of the only female CEOs in major business.

So before you go labeling me a sexist, understand the point of my post.

The point is that despite a lightweight double standard, women, and men, and whites, blacks, and Jews for that matter, can ignore/disprove them.

On the contrary, bickering about them in an isolated topic wastes everyone's time.

Actually, I'd like it to be known that I do not get offended by personal attacks. That can be proven by seven people who whitnessed something yesterday. This girl was trying to bash me and i was doing it back and laughing my ass off with my friends and she was getting pissed and then wanted to fight me. I smiled at her and luaghed because she's so petty that she would make such a big deal out of nothing. So no, I do not get offended by things so petty.

It's not the words that offend me. It's the fact that we can't get as far as some men because of our gender. I don't mean in all cases. I mean, look at Opera (or however you spell her name). She's one of the richest people in the country. But, in a lot of cases, it is. You might not be able to realize it because you might be on of our future men allowing such things. I mean, look at some of the people's examples. It's obvious that this is because of double-standards and disgrimination towards females. The fact is, since "the dawn of time" men have been looked at as supiorer towards women. I highly doubt that's ever going to change. This disgrimination brings double-standards into play. I and other girls have given this topic examples. I don't know if you read them or not, but you would learn from reading them or talk to some women. The majority of women you talk to would probably say at one point in their lives they've been a victim of double-standards.


Also, if you didn't notice, I wasn't only talking about women. I wasn't only looking for things on my side. As a bisexual female, I can tell you from experiance that many guys definatly like that kind of thing. A lot. I have been asked to hook up with guy's girlfriends and hook up with girls in front of them and all that stuff. And the same men that love that kind of thing will hate gay males (some, anyway). And even though that doesn't affect me personally, I still hate that and disagree with it. So I'm not looking for pitty. I'm just making a valid topic that you can't accept. Although, I'm not too sure why.

[*CrackedRearView*]

You failed to recognize my point, again. The point is that despite a lightweight double standard, women, and men, and whites, blacks, and Jews for that matter, can ignore/disprove them.

Invalidating the very topic you seem to believe I can't accept.

[rOckThISshYt]

You failed to recognize my point, again.  The point is that despite a lightweight double standard, women, and men, and whites, blacks, and Jews for that matter, can ignore/disprove them.

Invalidating the very topic you seem to believe I can't accept.

*sigh* Whatever... I deal with this shit every day. You're just like my brother and I'm so tired of it; I don't have to hear it from you, too. So say or think what you wish.

People can only disaprove discrimination when it's verbal. If it's something that plays a role in their every-day lives, you can't ignore it. I'm not saying it plays that role really in my life. But it does happen to people all over the world every day.

[sikdragon]

When it comes to men and women, the rule has and always will be, "If she's gonna hit a man, she's gonna get hit like a man." It's women who changed it and it's women who want to keep it that way. Your beliefs should be taken up with your gender representatives.

like it or not men will always be men. you cant change a man into a woman. well you can, but it's very expensive and they will still have an adam's apple and big hands.


Women are inferior in many ways, however, men are also inferior in some ways. They can only be superior when put together. FACT.


oh by the way the person above the last post said "disprove" not "disapprove".

[rOckThISshYt]

When it comes to men and women, the rule has and always will be, "If she's gonna hit a man, she's gonna get hit like a man." It's women who changed it and it's women who want to keep it that way. Your beliefs should be taken up with your gender representatives.

like it or not men will always be men. you cant change a man into a woman. well you can, but it's very expensive and they will still have an adam's apple and big hands.
Women are inferior in many ways, however, men are also inferior in some ways. They can only be superior when put together. FACT.
oh by the way the person above the last post said "disprove" not "disapprove".

Well, I guess you could say that we're "inferior" to men in many ways. But, I personally wouldn't look at it that way. I mean, obviously there are things that men just biologicly can do that women can't. I mean, hormones allow men to become stronger so naturally men will be stronger much of the time than women. Not always. But a lot. That doesn't make us infirior. That makes us women. I do think that guys should be aloud to hit girls back if we hit them. Depending on the situation, he should or shouldn't use full power. I mean, if a guy is being a perv and a girl slaps him, I don't blieve he has the right to hit back because obviously, he obviously made her feel violated in the first place. But if a girl is being a bitch and decides to take a swing at her, I mean, he should have the right to hit back.

But we are also capable to do things that guys would die if they even thought of it. I mean, with the whole pregnancy thing, many guys can't even contimplate it even as a woman.

So different genders are capable of different things. I don't think that makes either supirior. I mean, I'll always joke around with my guy friends and say, "I am woman! I am superior!" But once again, I'm joking. So yeah.

[sadolakced acid]

when a girl has one month after her 18th birthday to go to the post office and get a draft number, then we'll talk about inequalities.

[*CrackedRearView*]

*sigh* Whatever... I deal with this shit every day. You're just like my brother and I'm so tired of it; I don't have to hear it from you, too. So say or think what you wish.

People can only disaprove discrimination when it's verbal. If it's something that plays a role in their every-day lives, you can't ignore it. I'm not saying it plays that role really in my life. But it does happen to people all over the world every day.

You think discrimination hasn't played a part in my life? You need to wake up. I've ignored it for 18 long, unhappy years. If you have enough will power, it's an easy thing to do. I even channeled it into aggression to make it useful to me.

What I didn't do was cry about it on an online forum.

when a girl has one month after her 18th birthday to go to the post office and get a draft number, then we'll talk about inequalities.

I just turned 18 in April. I have to go to the recruiting office next week. However, finally, a valid point.

[sikdragon]

Well, I guess you could say that we're "inferior" to men in many ways. But, I personally wouldn't look at it that way. I mean, obviously there are things that men just biologicly can do that women can't. I mean, hormones allow men to become stronger so naturally men will be stronger much of the time than women. Not always. But a lot. That doesn't make us infirior. That makes us women. I do think that guys should be aloud to hit girls back if we hit them. Depending on the situation, he should or shouldn't use full power. I mean, if a guy is being a perv and a girl slaps him, I don't blieve he has the right to hit back because obviously, he obviously made her feel violated in the first place. But if a girl is being a bitch and decides to take a swing at her, I mean, he should have the right to hit back.

But we are also capable to do things that guys would die if they even thought of it. I mean, with the whole pregnancy thing, many guys can't even contimplate it even as a woman.

So different genders are capable of different things. I don't think that makes either supirior. I mean, I'll always joke around with my guy friends and say, "I am woman! I am superior!" But once again, I'm joking. So yeah.

I just said neither gender was superior.

[rOckThISshYt]

I just said neither gender was superior.

Oh. Sorry. I misunderstood because of this quote.

Women are inferior in many ways, however, men are also inferior in some ways.

You said "many" for men and "some" for women. I misunderstood and took it too literally. I apologize.

[madchenallein]

Our society is severly messed up. Some, or most, of you may find this opinion old-fashioned, but I think that our gender behavior is a result of our brains; our brains are wired for female if we're female and wired for male if we're male. Science continually turns up evidence of how the two gender's brains work differently. Thus, we develop differently, behave differently, and think differently. I think it's important to embrace these differences.

The whole issue of name-calling is really an issue of disrespecting yourself and others, not a double-standard issue.

I think standards ought to be different for the genders, and it would work if everyone adhered to them, but they don't so it doesn't. Of course, then you do get the odd 'female body-builder' case, where a woman has so obliterated her gender role that her brain is producing more masculine hormones, either because she's dosing or has encouraged it by physical development. I don't know how a standard would apply to that.

BUT, what I mean is acknowledge these scientifically proven facts: women in general are weaker than men physically, men are in general, taller, louder, and more authoritative. Don't get offended by these, embrace them. I'm not saying no woman can be a leader and that some girls aren't stronger than some boys, remember I'm dealing in generalizations and I KNOW there will always be exceptions. But, women are gifted nurturers, advisers, and supporters. Use that. Don't get mad when a guy holds a door for you (not that that happens too much any more) just say thank you. When your husband makes a decision for the good of you both, respect him for it even if you don't like it. Leadership, when done correctly, is not really a position of power, it's really servitude and the responsibility and worry can be crushing, but someone has to do it. If there are not followers, we can't have any leaders. If everyone is a leader, we go nowhere.

Anyway, let the criticisms begin. Can ya tell I'm NOT a feminist?

[xlauren73x]

another double standard.. men are more commonly convicted of sexual harrassment crimes before women.

[Paradox of Life]

another double standard.. men are more commonly convicted of sexual harrassment crimes before women.

That's true. People have come to some sort of conclusion that men are more sexually active or are more interested in sex. But why would someone just make up such a theory? It's reasonable to make that sort of assumption that a man would sexually assault a woman instead of a woman assaulting a man. It's happened on MANY occasions. It's a double standard, but it's a reasonable double standard. Am I wrong?

[sadolakced acid]

That's true. People have come to some sort of conclusion that men are more sexually active or are more interested in sex. But why would someone just make up such a theory? It's reasonable to make that sort of assumption that a man would sexually assault a woman instead of a woman assaulting a man. It's happened on MANY occasions. It's a double standard, but it's a reasonable double standard. Am I wrong?

oh, most double standards that are 'reasonable' usually disadvantage men. as for the ones that disadvantage women, feminists have gotten them removed.

which creates an unbalanced set of double standards, with the heavier weight falling on men (hey, men are physically stronger and should carry more, right?)

in the SATs, most problems that use a person reference a minority, or a woman. of the 60+ people the SAT mentions, there is only one white male (in the test looked at). the white male was thomas jefferson (or ben frainklin, i forget)

the white male is the most advantaged and disadvantaged person in america.

[Paradox of Life]

oh, most double standards that are 'reasonable' usually disadvantage men.  as for the ones that disadvantage women, feminists have gotten them removed. 

which creates an unbalanced set of double standards, with the heavier weight falling on men (hey, men are physically stronger and should carry more, right?)

in the SATs, most problems that use a person reference a minority, or a woman.  of the 60+ people the SAT mentions, there is only one white male (in the test looked at).  the white male was thomas jefferson (or ben frainklin, i forget)

the white male is the most advantaged and disadvantaged person in america.

Well female double standards were actually opposed by the feminists which proves that perhaps they're not 'reasonable'.
When was the last time a female tried to rape a male? How is that even possible? I'm only saying that sex offenders are usually males, so I'd understand why one would assume most or all sexual assaults were done by men.
And women are proven to be less strong than men, which seems to be a very important asset. Women have quite a few disadvantages, which has led to female double standards. They're true and 'reasonable' to some extent, I suppose. But one shouldn't take advantage of it...

[sadolakced acid]

Well female double standards were actually opposed by the feminists which proves that perhaps they're not 'reasonable'.
When was the last time a female tried to rape a male? How is that even possible? I'm only saying that sex offenders are usually males, so I'd understand why one would assume most or all sexual assaults were done by men.
And women are proven to be less strong than men, which seems to be a very important asset. Women have quite a few disadvantages, which has led to female double standards. They're true and 'reasonable' to some extent, I suppose. But one shouldn't take advantage of it...

women are stastitically less intelegent than males.

should women be automatically assumed too stupid for scientific or mathmatical work?

rape isn't and sexual assults are caused by a person of power. previously, it was the male that was the boss and the female that was the employee. now that more females are becoming managers and getting higher positions in the workplace, there are more instances of females using thier threat of " i'll fire you" to get a male to have sex with her.

[antix10_kos]

Nobody respects themselves anymore, guy or girl.

Some girls dress to expose themselves, wear tons of makeup and galavant around town dressed like a two cent hooker from a rap video and then come home and complain that guys oogle them and that girls call them names like "slut", "hoe", "bitch", "whore", and so on. If you put yourself out there like that, flaunting something you don't have or aren't strong enough to own up to, it just shows weakness of character. Why should anyone (esp. guys) respect you if parade around advertising your goods (or supposed goods in some cases)?

When open yourself up to the public, by showing skin and wearing make-up to look older than you are, you'd better be ready for other people's reactions.

Guys don't get called things like "slut", etc. because you don't see guys parading around in miniskirts and too much eyeliner, deperately trying to attract girls. Guys just stand there or make some conversation. If the word "slut" pops up, guys think either a) that girl is nasty, b) that girl is easy, or c) stay away from her. If they're attracted to a slut, it's because of the first two reasons (sex-related) and if they're not, it's because they're a decent human being.

Society is not as full of double standards as you'd like to think. More women than men are attending college, getting masters degrees and women are catching up in the Ph.D arena as well (almost equal I think). More women are executives than 20 years ago, women have the opportunity to play professional sports (albeit underappreciated), enter the military, fight in wars, become astronauts, and do tons of other things that just weren't open to women 20 or even 10 years ago.

Just because the girls are stuck inside playing kickball while the guys run laps and do 100 knuckle-ups, doesn't mean that you are weaker. It just means that the school has taken the needs of most girls into consideration. Most girls don't want to risk breaking a nail, getting dirty or sweating their haristyle out before the day's over. So unless your PE class is at the end of the day, most girls wouldn't want to risk all the sweat and dirt of a "real" workout.

American society is getting to be more positive place for women, or so I think. Yes, it could be better...but overall, I think women are doing well...