Hell kicks arse Options

[strice]

I've got a feeling that hell kicks major ass. Considering that Christians tend to ban just about everything cool, Heaven must be really quite dull. now Hell, hell has Rock music, sex, drugs, and violent video games. There is no Grand Theft Auto, there is no Red Hot Chili Peppers, there is no porn in heaven. Heres an example of what an ordinary day in hell i imagine would be. I wake up in my apartment, dress in designer clothes(designed by gay men, since they don't get to go to heaven) do a line of coke, and leave to go clubbing with stalin. After that i can go play violent video games or drink alcohol, etc. in fact, heaven sounds like one big red state in the sky; lots of white people, intolerance, and boring entertainment. now people say, "you burn in hell!" but who says thats true? god? maybe god is lying. if god is all powerful, why can't he lie? just some weird ideas.

don't take this too seriously.

[iwalkbackwards]

you just blew my mind. Hell must be cool. Even though I don't believe in hell...yes...you blew my mind.

[racoons > you]

well, im going so it'll be fine. im the life and soul of the party... lol

[xTINAA]

I've got a feeling that hell kicks major ass. Considering that Christians tend to ban just about everything cool, Heaven must be really quite dull. now Hell, hell has Rock music, sex, drugs, and violent video games. There is no Grand Theft Auto, there is no Red Hot Chili Peppers, there is no porn in heaven. Heres an example of what an ordinary day in hell i imagine would be. I wake up in my apartment, dress in designer clothes(designed by gay men, since they don't get to go to heaven) do a line of coke, and leave to go clubbing with stalin. After that i can go play violent video games or drink alcohol, etc. in fact, heaven sounds like one big red state in the sky; lots of white people, intolerance, and boring entertainment. now people say, "you burn in hell!" but who says thats true? god? maybe god is lying. if god is all powerful, why can't he lie? just some weird ideas.

don't take this too seriously.

How can you ask someone to not take it too seriously when you basically bash a religion? First of all you must know nothing about Christianity for you to ignorantly say that Christians ban everything cool and that in hell there is all white people and intolerance, etc. First off, if you know anything about the Christian faith you'll know that in Hell you don't do anything but BURN in fire forever. You don't get to do anything or go anywhere. You just burn. There is nothing in Hell. You wouldn't be able to watch porn or play video games or go get drunk. And in Heaven anyone can go therefore why in the world would it all be white and full of intolerance? It says no where in the Christian faith that someone needs to be of white race in order to go into Heaven. Maybe you should get your facts straight or you shouldn't joke around in a debate forum. I don't care if you meant this as a joke because it's also pretty offending. Oh and if God is all powerful why doesn't he lie? Because he doesn't need to. Because he speaks the truth because he is perfect and lying is a sin and God doesn't sin.

[fameONE]

How can you ask someone to not take it too seriously when you basically bash a religion? First of all you must know nothing about Christianity for you to ignorantly say that Christians ban everything cool and that in hell there is all white people and intolerance, etc. First off, if you know anything about the Christian faith you'll know that in Hell you don't do anything but BURN in fire forever. You don't get to do anything or go anywhere. You just burn. There is nothing in Hell. You wouldn't be able to watch porn or play video games or go get drunk. And in Heaven anyone can go therefore why in the world would it all be white and full of intolerance? It says no where in the Christian faith that someone needs to be of white race in order to go into Heaven. Maybe you should get your facts straight or you shouldn't joke around in a debate forum. I don't care if you meant this as a joke because it's also pretty offending. Oh and if God is all powerful why doesn't he lie? Because he doesn't need to. Because he speaks the truth because he is perfect and lying is a sin and God doesn't sin.

I agree with you total and being bounced around from sect to sect of Christianity as a kid, I've come to my own ill-feelings about the religion in general.

As far as hell being "cool," that sounds like a statement that can only come as a result of pure ignorance. Maybe you were joking, but you really must watch yourself in a discussion like this.

My take:
Many Christians take the religion so far out of context that they're living their lives as total hypocrites. Living a life of hypocracy is exactly what you can do to not get into heaven. The the argument over the petty things in life comes into play (i.e- porn, violent video games, movies, choice of music, sexual preference, premaritals, etc). If you're a good person and you live your life as a selfless human being while standing firm as to your beliefs of 'right and wrong,' it shouldn't matter what religion you are. There is a reward for everyone.

So in the eyes of some, I'm a somewhat religious guy because I do pray from time to time and I have a basic belief of Jesus, his life and his death. However, in the eyes of most Christians, I'm a 'lost child' because refuse to buy into, what I believe to be, bullshit.

[innovation]

such a typical teenager: the wannabe nonconformist with the whole i'm-too-tough-and-cool for respect and conventionality attitude. you're a victim of your own hypocrisy.

how can you say 'don't take this too seriously' when it insults Christianity and degrades all of society?

[ryfitaDF]

looks like i have to live forever, cause naither heaven or hell seems appealing.

[Teesa]

^seriously. I think I am going nowhere.

[sadolakced acid]

hahahhahhahaa...

nice to see the reactions to this.
interesting.

a man dies and goes to the pearly gates. st. peter says that he's good and can go to heaven, but he has to see hell first and pick.

so he goes to heaven, and it's great. he can fly and enjoy the presence of god, etc.

he tells st. peter that he's satisfied with that, and doens't need to see hell. but st. peter tells him rules are rules.

so they go to hell

and the man is shocked. there are all his friends, haveing a good time. all the pleasures of life, and everything.

he enjoys he day in hell quite a lot. the next day, he's reluctlant to leave.

when he goes back to the pearly gates, st peter asks him which does he pick, heaven or hell?

the man tells him, well i liked heaven and stuff, but hell seemed so much.. better. i think i'll go there.

suddenly he's in hell, burning.

all his friends are there, and they're all burning too. they all look terrible.

what happened he asks. where are the girls and the clubs and the alcohol?

his friends reply,

yesterday we were campaigning.

[OriskybusinessO]

oohhh, thats funny. up there... gosh why is everyone getting so mad? He said he was just kidding around, and not to take it seriously. That sounds better, im athiest, but my friend was telling me about heven and hell and he thinks its more a place in your mind. Well, heaven, hell, gosd, whatever, its all fake so i dont care. But you make hell sound inviting...

[sammi rules you]

in fact, heaven sounds like one big red state in the sky; lots of white people, intolerance, and boring entertainment.

....hey....

[OriskybusinessO]

it does, all the goody-goodies in one place...

[innovation]

aren't you rather intolerant yourself? of morality, of Christianity, of .. well, conservatives?

[xTINAA]

oohhh, thats funny. up there... gosh why is everyone getting so mad? He said he was just kidding around, and not to take it seriously. That sounds better, im athiest, but my friend was telling me about heven and hell and he thinks its more a place in your mind. Well, heaven, hell, gosd, whatever, its all fake so i dont care. But you make hell sound inviting...

It doesn't matter if he is just kidding. He is bashing a religion and that's not right whether he doesn't mean it or not. If he didn't mean it then he had no reason to post such an offending statement. How can you expect someone to not take it seriously? If I were to say something about your race and how everyone like you is stupid or something like that, would you not take the slightest bit of offense to it?

[sadolakced acid]

oh come on.

religion bashing happens all the time.
of course, it's usually christians bashing other religions, but it happens.

in case you haven't noticed, my signature bashes a number of people.

[fameONE]

oh come on. 

religion bashing happens all the time. 
of course, it's usually christians bashing other religions, but it happens.

in case you haven't noticed, my signature bashes a number of people.

Thank you Professor Obvious. Seriously though, I agree with you and much of this religion bashing is done by Christians (unless you live in Israel).

As for your sig, specifically about the minority quote, I chose not to answer what ethnicity I was on any standardized test, college app or scholarship app because the only race is the human race.

[sammi rules you]

^ oh i like that. that's going on my myspace header.

[CreateBlob]

Does violence, alcohol, and sex really appeal to you? -_-

Yeah. I join the group of people frowning upon your stereotyped image of Christianity.

[xTINAA]

oh come on. 

religion bashing happens all the time. 
of course, it's usually christians bashing other religions, but it happens.

in case you haven't noticed, my signature bashes a number of people.

Okay, and that makes it right?

[sadolakced acid]

no, but it means it should be tolerated.

[yukichan]

It doesn't matter if he is just kidding. He is bashing a religion and that's not right whether he doesn't mean it or not. If he didn't mean it then he had no reason to post such an offending statement. How can you expect someone to not take it seriously? If I were to say something about your race and how everyone like you is stupid or something like that, would you not take the slightest bit of offense to it?

agreed...dont say/ do things that will offend others...

[xTINAA]

no, but it means it should be tolerated.

Okay, so because a lot of people are racists, then racism should be tolerated? Because a lot of people commit suicide, it should be tolerated?

[sadolakced acid]

racism agains racistst should be tolerated.

suiciders should be tolerated.




except, we forget that this is debate.

he can say offensive things.
you can say it's offensive and shouldn't be said.
but then again, this isn't really a debate is it?

let's get this started:

This is an example of bashing a religion.

However, religon bashing happens quite often in reverse. The christians bash others.

some christian fanatics lump all other religions together as 'devil worship'.
sunday schools teach kids about other religons, and how bad they are.

the mock rituals as 'idol worship' and they mock thier gods as 'the devil' or 'false gods'.

however; this does differ from the original post.

the original post bashed christianity using christianity's own beliefs.
however; if you would notice the inconsitencies with christian beliefs, you will notice that this is just a strongly worded opinion.

However, this does stem from good logic and christian ideas.

Islam, for instance, provides a very nice description of what heaven is like. 77 virgins if you die in jihad, etc. there are levels of it, all described.

Christianity, however, lacks a nice description of what you do in heaven. This has lead me to believe that in heaven, you do the things that let you get into heaven.

you:

1. pray, but directly to god.
2. you enjoy the presence and knowlege of god
3. you did not sin and acted good

now; this hardly seems a reward, so we can assume this is not true. also, this would mean the original post's vision of hell was correct.

if we are to assume that christianity's well described hell (because christianity uses fear of hell more than want of heaven in helping convert people- think hellfire and damnnation speeches-), then we must assume that in heaven you get rewarded.

however; these rewards cannot be any sins.

therefore; the only possible rewards are:

1. angeldom.
2. eternal rest
3. relishing the presense of god.

now, the first two are nice, but if you are a true believer, the third should appeal the most.

and therefore: in heaven you relish the presense of god. pretty boring if you ask me.

[fameONE]

In order to get into heaven, you must live to serve God.

I don't think of myself as serving God, per say, but serving others. I'm all about extending a helping hand to those in need. Selflessness.

Doing good deeds for the sole purpose of salvation is, to me, selfish. Selfishness will get you nowhere and all thats good and just will be overshadowed by the black of hearts.

My simple concept, however, seems highly illogical since we're self-centered by human nature. [I'm saving you time by replying to my own statement]

If God is our judge, why is it that we (speaking in generalities here) let Billy Graham, Creflo Dollar and the moral majority of America what's right and wrong?

Somehow it comes down to your conscience. To me, going to a village in Zaire and forcing Christianity is insane in its absurdity. To most Christians, it's spreading the word of God by being a good Missionary.

Christian Humanism is where its at for me.

[racoons > you]

agreed...dont say/ do things that will offend others...

it offends me that you're trying to restrict my freedom of speech

anyway, if you feel so secure in your faith, then why should someone elses JOKE offend you so. i mean, its hardly going to shake your moral foundation to the core, is it?

[OriskybusinessO]

It doesn't matter if he is just kidding. He is bashing a religion and that's not right whether he doesn't mean it or not. If he didn't mean it then he had no reason to post such an offending statement. How can you expect someone to not take it seriously? If I were to say something about your race and how everyone like you is stupid or something like that, would you not take the slightest bit of offense to it?

if you were to say something about me, that is obviously false, i would know its not true and get on with my life...

it offends me that you're trying to restrict my freedom of speech

anyway, if you feel so secure in your faith, then why should someone elses JOKE offend you so. i mean, its hardly going to shake your moral foundation to the core, is it?

exactly, it IS a joke, and if you think its not true, then why would it offend you, i know, if you were too immature to just walk away, and get on with your life. Im not saying you are immature but, what you posted is immature.

Did that make sense? Probably not

[*StanleyThePanda*]

no hell would not "kick ass"
the things in the world that you named like drugs, sex, violent video games...etc.
Those are just distractions...worldly things that you'd want to do to keep you away from God....Satan made those as a distraction and also to deceive people into thinking that thats the way hell is going to be...all fun and cool. but its all a lie.

[racoons > you]

well in that case, satan sure has a fun imagination!

he actually sounds pretty cool, to me.

and dont waste the time telling me off for this, b/c as i dont follow chrisitanity, i dont ulfill the criteria for 'heaven, so in your eyes, im going to hell. please forgive me for making the best of it.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

no hell would not "kick ass"
the things in the world that you named like drugs, sex, violent video games...etc.
Those are just distractions...worldly things that you'd want to do to keep you away from God....Satan made those as a distraction and also to deceive people into thinking that thats the way hell is going to be...all fun and cool. but its all a lie.

Wow, then you must have a pretty boring life. "Hi my name is Shigiru Miyamoto and i made create Nintendo games because Satan told me so!" ( i think i spelled shigiru wrong, somebody fix it for me)

Oh and the sex part, didn't your so called "God" make that up? To make kids? So you are saying Satan made sex? Hmm then we should stop doing and you are saying that God is a liar.

Drugs were also supposedly made by "god" because he made everything on this earth. And drugs are made up of earthly materials arent they? So basically "God" is wrong, from your information.

[racoons > you]

Oh and the sex part, didn't your so called "God" make that up?

you know what she meant, dont quibble at her.

anyway, he has a point. god created the first teptation in the form of the apple in the garden, so therefore its not illogical to assume that he may have had a hand in the others, is it?

[strice]

Whoa, didn't expect this kind of response, but those crazy christians are right; i am a shallow, selfish philistine and such deviant ideas should never be expressed because thats totally not cool with god.

[heyyfrankie]

i am such a bad person that i am going to go hell. but i ask for forgiveness everday! i don't want to go hell! but if i must...


your hell sounds fun!!!

[CreateBlob]

Oh and the sex part, didn't your so called "God" make that up? To make kids? So you are saying Satan made sex? Hmm then we should stop doing and you are saying that God is a liar.

Drugs were also supposedly made by "god" because he made everything on this earth. And drugs are made up of earthly materials arent they? So basically "God" is wrong, from your information.

I'd like to point out that sex, according to hopefully most Christians, is to be reserved to the one we marry. Am I saying marrying is bad? No. But it was made to prevent adultery and whatever. Sex with prostitutes, your sister, or some stranger is wrong. Sex with your married one - that's not even the point of marriage.

Drugs were, yes, "made" by God. But if we assume that because drugs are bad and created by God, so that God is bad, then we're overlooking the fact that he created this world for a purpose. What's a world without sin? Heaven. He could have done that, but God wanted humans to develop themselves - purposely throw hardships at humans so they learn. Football players don't get better if their coaches don't force them to run that extra mile.

God created sex, yes. God created everything, yes. But it's a matter of how we're using it.

[Kriegsgefangene]

I choose to not really believe in a 'heaven' or a 'hell'.
I don't find a need to.
For this topic though, I am willing to play along-

I find that 'heaven' and 'hell' may be totally different things. As most people view it, yes? And there are all sorts of people in this world, those who commit crimes, those who are 'goody-two-shoes'.

And their views can be completely different on looking and deciding between heaven and hell. What I would believe, is that when you die, and go to 'heaven'- It becomes what you imagine it as. That would be your reward. Your greatest loves, your greatest devotions will be right beside you. And 'Hell' would probably be against you, bring out your worst fears. Tear at your soul, until you can no longer stand yourself.

So, basically, if you want what you think is cool, you would go to 'heaven'. How? I don't know. If you want to live the 'after-life' all against you, you can go to 'hell'. How? I don't know either.

It is all in what you believe. And beliefs vary from person to person. So, in all actuality, I don't think religion bashing should be taken too seriously. You can bash me all you want, I don't care.

It is just my belief, and it differs from yours.



>>>
Oh, and about the whole 'marriage' thing-
Now-a-days, it has run so far off track. People usually marry for benefits of others, considering that 50 percent of all marriages end up in divorce.

So- what is the main purpose of 'marriage', or, what was it, in the first place?

[BeyondElite]

I strongly agree with Christina (MissXChrissy). According to many religious beliefs about the afterlife, Hell is a place of torment and pain. It doesn't mean that Hell is where you can watch porn, do drugs, listen to rock music, ride on a Grand Theft Auto, live in a luxurious apartment and have a pleasant afterlife. It means that Hell is where you are being punished, for your bad deeds, with torment and pain, for eternity. If you are Christian, Heaven is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with God. Everyone, in all races, can inherit heaven, that is, if one did good deeds on Earth. Also, God, according to the religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, hold the properties of holiness (separate from sin and incorruptible), justness (fair, right, and true in all His judgements), sovereignty (unthwartable in His will), omnipotence (all-powerful), omniscience (all-knowing), omnibenevolence (all-loving), and omnipresence (all-present). Therefore, if you are thinking that God needs to lie or sin, just think again.

[lakerfever2476]

I agree with Ron.

[sadolakced acid]

i agree with ____ is spam.

please your own opinions, and please back them up with facts.

this is a DEBATE forum.

[innovation]

i agree with ____  is spam.

please your own opinions, and please back them up with facts.

this is a DEBATE forum.

cb debate is very different from NFL debate.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Intoleration of intoleration of intoleration of intoleration! Circles and circles we go, indeed!

<3

[CreateBlob]

cb debate is very different from NFL debate. 

I have a feeling that acid's going to make you support that statement with evidence...

[sadolakced acid]

i've just gotten quite tired of posts that merely state "i agree with ____"

i mean, you're capable of thought right?
you can state your own opinions,
you can back up thier opinions with facts.
and most people do...

but a post merely to say you agree?

[strice]

back to the topic of hell!

[OriskybusinessO]

i know, efveryones getting off topic...

OK people, we all know that if you believe in god or whatever you all know that is a 'place where you burn unhappily forever' blah blah blah... we know that strice isnt serious about there being video games and porn down there. OK... people.

[sammi rules you]

yes, i'm sure he's just joking, but then he should have posted it in the humor forum. we are debate people, we are here to debate. debate nerds unite! *punches fist into air with super power debate ring on like in captain planet*

anyway, sure christianity bans these things, but i think the point is when you get to heaven, you get to enjoy these things as a reward for being good all your life. hell would just eternally torment you and make you do all the good things that you didn't wanna do when you were living.

i dunno, i'm not christian, ask one of them..

[CreateBlob]

Okay, we know that drugs, UNJUSTIFIED sex, and violence is something wrong. Don't believe me? Try doing it in front of police or something.

And if we know that's wrong, then isn't it a bit obvious that .. it's not something we want to do eternally? Don't we feel guilt after taking drugs, committing adultery, and killing someone?

[fameONE]

Okay, we know that drugs, UNJUSTIFIED sex, and violence is something wrong. Don't believe me? Try doing it in front of police or something.

And if we know that's wrong, then isn't it a bit obvious that .. it's not something we want to do eternally? Don't we feel guilt after taking drugs, committing adultery, and killing someone?

I agree with you and what you said should be common sense, but, sadly, people have a hard time distinguishing right from wrong.

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

I've got a feeling that hell kicks major ass. Considering that Christians tend to ban just about everything cool, Heaven must be really quite dull. now Hell, hell has Rock music, sex, drugs, and violent video games. There is no Grand Theft Auto, there is no Red Hot Chili Peppers, there is no porn in heaven. Heres an example of what an ordinary day in hell i imagine would be. I wake up in my apartment, dress in designer clothes(designed by gay men, since they don't get to go to heaven) do a line of coke, and leave to go clubbing with stalin. After that i can go play violent video games or drink alcohol, etc. in fact, heaven sounds like one big red state in the sky; lots of white people, intolerance, and boring entertainment. now people say, "you burn in hell!" but who says thats true? god? maybe god is lying. if god is all powerful, why can't he lie? just some weird ideas.

don't take this too seriously.

your ignorance is entertaining. obviously you said all of that to get a reaction out of everyone. and you succeeded, because half those people strongly disagree with you. im not going to get into religious bashing, and im not going to call you any names, but i will say that everyone has their own beliefs. if you want to believe that a pit of fire is entertaining, well good for you then.

[lakerfever2476]

i agree with ____  is spam.

please your own opinions, and please back them up with facts.

this is a DEBATE forum.

You don't call YOUR post a spam?

Ok, you want my damn opinion?! Hell doesn't kick ass! Why should I just waste 5 minutes of my life writing something when Ron has already said it? Ok, to just float your boat, I've been taught that Hell is the last resort and Satan lives there. Satan is a moron. 1/3 of all the people in the world are Christians. I have a very gut feeling that heaven is the place to be and the devil is a dead beat. God friggin answers my prayers. I wasn't just placed in this Earth by chance. Ok, happy? You got your opinion!

[Rachel]

ahahaha. this "debate" makes me chuckle. obviously the creater made this to ruffle some peoples feathers. deal with it and move on.

[innovation]

you know what she meant, dont quibble at her.

teehee, quibble..
sorry. well, this was a spammy post.

[Im So Vain]

now what was the point of this topic (to make ppl argue?). it seems like something that should be in a blog (since it is your own thought/view). but anyways why must everyone stereotype Christians. not all are hypocrites.

[ItzOnlySydney]

christians believe rock music is a sin? what do they have stuck up their ass ?

[ItzOnlySydney]

now what was the point of this topic (to make ppl argue?)

nah shit sherlock thats kinda why its in the DEBATE section!

[sammi rules you]

^ please don't double post.

and please don't be rude to other members; you could go about it nicely.

though you are right, littlebit2006, this is a debate. people post their views, opinions, and so on, and people argue on which is more correct. it's quite fun.

[onenonly101]

I think that VERY VERY few people here know the true concept of Christianity.

Christianity is not a religion. It is a faith something real, that is unexplainable, but explains it all.

Christianity is not about condemning anyone because if that were the case we would all be condemned and go straight to hell. But that nots the story.

It seems as though everyone is okay when Christianity gets bashed, because well"it does most of the religion bashing" Since when? I have never bashed another religion, ever, i might not agree with it but i haven;t bashed it. When Islam gets bashed people get in hysterics and start shouting: racist,prejudice,biggot.But when Christianity gets bashed, the reaction is..nothing everyone just writes it off as well those Christians are so closed minded. Why is it that we always have to be the close minded ones? Why can't the rest of the world be labeled as close minded for rejecting our beliefs and rejecting us.

Heaven is about praising God, there is no crying, no sickness, no hurt. If that is terrible what is good? Destroying my body?Lowering my worth? Denying myself? I think not

Newsflash since when was rock music "bad" and condemning,God made Sex...for marriage, drugs destroy your body, whites only in heaven-that is a mormonism idea not a christian one because i'm black and i'm going to Heaven

[sadolakced acid]

whoa whoa whoa... did i miss something here?
christianity is not a religion?

hahahaha... no.

the true concept of christianity is to follow the bible. or actually, what people tell you the bible says to do.

i tell you what.

if christians are right
and by some miracle i get to go into heaven,
i'm going to refuse.

i would not be able to stand all the f---ing obnoxious 'good christians' in there, even if some actual good christians were in there.

sorry, i'm in a really bad mood.

~(to the person who will enivitablly say ' that doens't mean you have to take it out on people.) i'll take it out on whoever i want, thank you very much. CB is my stress relief. much cheaper than therapy. much easier than finding a girlfriend who i could talk to. or any other thing that would make me less in a bad mood.

[lakerfever2476]

I've been eyeballing this thread. I really don't think hell kicks ass. If you don't believe in God, then you shouldn't be bashing those of us who do. If you think hell kicks ass, then Kudos to you. In time, we'll see.

lots of white people, intolerance, and boring entertainment.

That right there is racism. White people?

[Spirited Away]

It seems as though everyone is okay when Christianity gets bashed, because well"it does most of the religion bashing" Since when?

Not in any order:

Since the Crusades murdered and masacred people in the name of God.

Since the KKK ruined people in the name of Christ.

Since the Salem Witch Trials.

Since Joan D'Arc was burned at the stake.

Since the Inquisition.

Since the murders and killings of "heretics".

Since Galileo was house arrested for stating the truth.

Since the house arrest and killings of scientists and thinkers.

Since "Pope Nicholas V supports the killing, forcible conversion and enslaving of unbelievers found in the new lands." (source)

Since Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.

Since Christians discriminated non-believers throughout history...



"Bashing" seems trivial compared to the above, don't you think?

I've been eyeballing this thread. I really don't think hell kicks ass. If you don't believe in God, then you shouldn't be bashing those of us who do. If you think hell kicks ass, then Kudos to you. In time, we'll see.

"In time, we'll see" is a threat?

[OriskybusinessO]

Not in any order:

Since the Crusades murdered and masacred people in the name of God.

Since the KKK ruined people in the name of Christ.

Since the Salem Witch Trials.

Since Joan D'Arc was burned at the stake.

Since the Inquisition.

Since the murders and killings of "heretics".

Since Galileo was house arrested for stating the truth.

Since the house arrest and killings of scientists and thinkers.

Since "Pope Nicholas V supports the killing, forcible conversion and enslaving of unbelievers found in the new lands." (source)

Since Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.

Since Christians discriminated non-believers throughout history...
"Bashing" seems trivial compared to the above, don't you think?
"In time, we'll see" is a threat?

haha, is that a threat...

thats a very intersting fact youve got yourself there... Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886. Like i said in my post in God pt. 2, religion has killed more people than any war (quote george carlin).

Now were kind of debating about God again, not whether hell kicks ass or not.

[fameONE]

....because i'm black and i'm going to Heaven

Let it be known, this guy's self proclamation of eternal salavation was made here in CB!!

Who are you too judge? Even if you do live a good life and you do consider yourself a good little Christian, who are you to say, "I'm gong to heaven." Humility, kid, get some.

[strice]

I've been eyeballing this thread. I really don't think hell kicks ass. If you don't believe in God, then you shouldn't be bashing those of us who do. If you think hell kicks ass, then Kudos to you. In time, we'll see.
That right there is racism. White people?

i just said there are a lot of white people, since white people have a pretty big head start on xstianity than other races. white people have a rather unpleasant record though. Nazis, George W Bush, the Crusades, Japanese internment, black slavery, chinese exploitation and expulsion(see chinese exclusion act), Genocide of the indians(an american holocaust of sorts, read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee), the exploitation of the entire continent of Africa, etc, etc. good thing Crazy Horse killed Custer's ass.

[avalon*]

How can you ask someone to not take it too seriously when you basically bash a religion? First of all you must know nothing about Christianity for you to ignorantly say that Christians ban everything cool and that in hell there is all white people and intolerance, etc. First off, if you know anything about the Christian faith you'll know that in Hell you don't do anything but BURN in fire forever. You don't get to do anything or go anywhere. You just burn. There is nothing in Hell. You wouldn't be able to watch porn or play video games or go get drunk. And in Heaven anyone can go therefore why in the world would it all be white and full of intolerance? It says no where in the Christian faith that someone needs to be of white race in order to go into Heaven. Maybe you should get your facts straight or you shouldn't joke around in a debate forum. I don't care if you meant this as a joke because it's also pretty offending. Oh and if God is all powerful why doesn't he lie? Because he doesn't need to. Because he speaks the truth because he is perfect and lying is a sin and God doesn't sin.

she couldn't have put it more perfectly.

[Spirited Away]

God created Heaven AND Hell right?

How can Hell be all that bad if God, an all loving, all forgiving Being, created it?

[sadolakced acid]

she couldn't have put it more perfectly.

well actually. what do you do while you burn forever? do you just burn?

that sounds a lot better than 'heaven'.

of course, this is comming from a guy who put hot glue on his finger because it was hot and felt nice. it burned tho. oh well. i did it like three times in a row. much fun.

[*salcha*]

spiritual worlds dont have earthly things.
you wouldn't have TV, porn, video games, computers, etc.
instead, you would just...burn, basically..painful, yeah.

God created Heaven AND Hell right?

How can Hell be all that bad if God, an all loving, all forgiving Being, created it? 

um, actually. im not sure if im correct, but God didnt't exactly create Hell. it went back to one of his angels who overpowered him and wanted his own world or something. satan actually used to be really beautiful. :) he WAS one of God's best angels are something. yeah. im going off topic now..

[onenonly101]

Who are you too judge? Even if you do live a good life and you do consider yourself a good little Christian, who are you to say, "I'm gong to heaven." Humility, kid, get some

Actaully I'm a girl. Did I say i was a good little Christian? Don't say statements I never said. And yes I can proclaim that I will be in heaven

"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son for whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have enternal lasting life"

You do not get into heaven by worksBashing is not trivial, when lives are lost for being a Christian. I know ya'll don't like the bible but read Romans read about the persecutions

Also everyone who calls in the name of the Lord does not know Christ.

God created Heaven AND Hell right?

How can Hell be all that bad if God, an all loving, all forgiving Being, created it? 

Hell was created from the effect of an angel falling from glory and proclaiming that he was better than God. For every action there is a counterreaction

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

wow people are still debating about this??

[lakerfever2476]

wow people are still debating about this??

Yep, sad ain't it? Well, Christians are very offended when we hear people bagging on our religion. I'll die for my religion. I know hardly anyone actually cares but I will. I have really strong feelings about Christianity and heaven. I think it's a beautiful, exquisite place. And for the writer to just cheapen the word HEAVEN really upsets me. We'll all understand one day.

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

he's probably an immature 12 year old, trying to get a rise out of people

[racoons > you]

i just said there are a lot of white people, since white people have a pretty big head start on xstianity than other races.

umm... or not. the jewish race was the first race to get on board with christianity. since jesus was, you know, jewish

and he is, supposedly, the jewish messiah.

I know ya'll don't like the bible but read Romans read about the persecutions

read it, thanks. it still doesnt measure up to the persecution commited by christians, as listen by uninspiredfae

[fameONE]

Actaully I'm a girl. Did I say i was a good little Christian? Don't say statements I never said. And yes I can proclaim that I will be in heaven

"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son for whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have enternal lasting life"

You do not get into heaven by worksBashing is not trivial, when lives are lost for being a Christian. I know ya'll don't like the bible but read Romans read about the persecutions

Also everyone who calls in the name of the Lord does not know Christ.
Hell was created from the effect of an angel falling from glory and proclaiming that he was better than God. For every action there is a counterreaction

No you didn't say that you were a 'good little Christian' and I didn't quote you on that. You still avoided the topic entirely. The only thing I called you on was, "...and I know I'm going to heaven." Yes, you supported your statement with your biblical quote and thats fine, but since you are a Christian, you do understand the concept of God being your final judge, right? To proclaim that you know you're going to heaven seems a bit... I don't know... help me find a word, OH, narcissistic.

Back to the topic at hand...

Not everyone believes in heaven and hell so for a Christian to defend heaven in accordance to their own beliefs would be unfair to someone else who doesn't share the same views.

[innovation]

i just said there are a lot of white people, since white people have a pretty big head start on xstianity than other races. white people have a rather unpleasant record though. Nazis, George W Bush, the Crusades, Japanese internment, black slavery, chinese exploitation and expulsion(see chinese exclusion act), Genocide of the indians(an american holocaust of sorts, read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee), the exploitation of the entire continent of Africa, etc, etc. good thing Crazy Horse killed Custer's ass.

but you are mistaken; it's not their race that defines their actions-- it's their wealth. and naturally, wealth turns into pride and corruption, etc. etc.

Christianity is bashed most often by teens because of its widespread nature (especially in the U.S.). Teens are attracted by nonconformity and since so many Americans are Christian and America is based heavily upon Christian values.. what better way to rebel than to diss the religion, right?

[Spirited Away]

Alright, one idea at a time.

um, actually. im not sure if im correct, but God didnt't exactly create Hell. it went back to one of his angels who overpowered him and wanted his own world or something. satan actually used to be really beautiful. :) he WAS one of God's best angels are something. yeah. im going off topic now..

Hell was created from the effect of an angel falling from glory and proclaiming that he was better than God. For every action there is a counterreaction

One, that effect could have been prevented because God is the Almighty. Two, even if He did not have the power to prevent the "effect" of the Fall, God has the power to destroy Hell, does He not?

You do not get into heaven by worksBashing is not trivial, when lives are lost for being a Christian. I know ya'll don't like the bible but read Romans read about the persecutions

Also everyone who calls in the name of the Lord does not know Christ.

That's ironic coming from a Christian. Then again, you shouldn't be responsible for the deeds of other Christians, and I shouldn't generalize, but facts are facts, are facts, are facts.

Lives were taken, people were mass murdered, massacred, burned, ostracized, condemned for being non-Christian throughout the ages. Now that you're saying Christians are being persecuted, I think you're right in the sense that "for every action there is a counterreaction". Or perhaps, not so much as a counterreaction... just comeupance, or even karma.

To be the "bigger" person, tolerance is key. However, history has proven that Christianity's tolerance of non-Christians ranges from little to none and that Christianity must always come out on top. I understand that this may not be your motive, per se, but that doesn't mean all Christians are as saintly/tolerant as yourself.

I know ya'll don't like the bible but read Romans read about the persecutions

I would love to see you read about how Christians persecuted non-Christians, aside from the Bible, please, as I sense it would be lacking in numbers and details, in exchange for me reading Romans about Christian persecution. Perhaps then, we can compare and contrast which side suffered more.

Yep, sad ain't it? Well, Christians are very offended when we hear people bagging on our religion. I'll die for my religion. I know hardly anyone actually cares but I will. I have really strong feelings about Christianity and heaven. I think it's a beautiful, exquisite place. And for the writer to just cheapen the word HEAVEN really upsets me. We'll all understand one day.

So it's a big deal that Christians are offended by others bashing their religions, but if Christians bash others, it's okay? Is that what you learn in Sunday School?

Again, if you have no tolerance for what others say about your religion, don't expect others to tolerate what you have to say about yours.

LOGIC, PEOPLE. LOGIC!!!

[avalon*]

well actually.  what do you do while you burn forever?  do you just burn? 

that sounds a lot better than 'heaven'.

Yes, you do burn. You burn forever; Hell is the most horrible place ever, so the burning wouldn't be as if you burned to death, but it would be a million times worse. (not you specifically; a general "you")

I'm just wondering, why does that sound better than heaven? I know everyone has their own opinions, so I'd like to hear yours =)

[lakerfever2476]

Alright, one idea at a time.
One, that effect could have been prevented because God is the Almighty. Two, even if He did not have the power to prevent the "effect" of the Fall, God has the power to destroy Hell, does He not?
That's ironic coming from a Christian. Then again, you shouldn't be responsible for the deeds of other Christians, and I shouldn't generalize, but facts are facts, are facts, are facts.

Lives were taken, people were mass murdered, massacred, burned, ostracized, condemned for being non-Christian throughout the ages. Now that you're saying Christians are being persecuted, I think you're right in the sense that "for every action there is a counterreaction". Or perhaps, not so much as a counterreaction... just comeupance, or even karma. 

To be the "bigger" person, tolerance is key. However, history has proven that Christianity's tolerance of non-Christians ranges from little to none and that Christianity must always come out on top. I understand that this may not be your motive, per se, but that doesn't mean all Christians are as saintly/tolerant as yourself.
I would love to see you read about how Christians persecuted non-Christians, aside from the Bible, please, as I sense it would be lacking in numbers and details, in exchange for me reading Romans about Christian persecution. Perhaps then, we can compare and contrast which side suffered more. 
So it's a big deal that Christians are offended by others bashing their religions, but if Christians bash others, it's okay? Is that what you learn in Sunday School?

Again, if you have no tolerance for what others say about your religion, don't expect others to tolerate what you have to say about yours.

LOGIC, PEOPLE. LOGIC!!!

It would've been okay if he just talked about his passion for hell. Hey, it's what he thinks. Power to him. But, he had to go on and start bashing Christians.

[Spirited Away]

I'm just wondering, why does that sound better than heaven? I know everyone has their own opinions, so I'd like to hear yours =)

I know you're asking Mr. Acid, but...

For me, it sounds more "real" than the perfection of Heaven. God had to create Heaven, but Hell was just a side effect, but God didn't bother to destroy it. It can't be that bad if God is fine with its existence. After all, does God not abhor all evil/sins? If He has such a big problem with evils and sins, then why not destroy Hell?

[avalon*]

I know you're asking Mr. Acid, but...

For me, it sounds more "real" than the perfection of Heaven. God had to create Heaven, but Hell was just a side effect, but God didn't bother to destroy it. It can't be that bad if God is fine with its existence. After all, does God not abhor all evil/sins? If He has such a big problem with it, then why not destroy it?

I completely understand when you say it's more "real," and that's because it's more similar to our world that we live in now. If our world wasn't filled with suffering and evil, then we would think heaven would be more real. God didn't destroy Hell because God is a loving God but also a just God. He wants everyone to come to know Him and He does give them that chance, but He also believes in justice, and His laws declare that anyone who does not choose to have a loving relationship with Him will spend the rest of eternity away from Him. Hell is not an actual place, it is just the name for "spending eternity away from God". (This could be a whole other debate topic, so I'll try to stay on topic now.)

[Spirited Away]

I completely understand when you say it's more "real," and that's because it's more similar to our world that we live in now. If our world wasn't filled with suffering and evil, then we would think heaven would be more real. God didn't destroy Hell because God is a loving God but also a just God. He wants everyone to come to know Him and He does give them that chance, but He also believes in justice, and His laws declare that anyone who does not choose to have a loving relationship with Him will spend the rest of eternity away from Him. Hell is not an actual place, it is just the name for "spending eternity away from God". (This could be a whole other debate topic, so I'll try to stay on topic now.)

Actually, I do not think of Earth as Hell. Not even close.. but that's just me.

I thought it more real because God allows its existence while He has to create Heaven. For example, we didn't create Nature, it just exists. And I happen to find nature, or things that are natural, more "real" than things that must be made/created. I hope I clarified things a bit.

Even if Hell didn't exist, the concept of God and Heaven would still be unreal unless those things are made known. As in, God Himself reveals himself and His power to mankind.

Debating any further would stray to the topic of free will and I've already addressed free will in many, many posts in God I and God II, as well as other religion related topics.

[avalon*]

Actually, I do not think of Earth as Hell. Not even anywhere close.

I thought it more real because God allows its existence while He has to create Heaven. For example, we didn't create Nature, it just exists. And I happen to find nature, or things that are natural, more "real than things that must be made/created.

Even if Hell didn't exist, the concept of God and Heaven would still be unreal unless those things are made known. As in, God Himself reveals himself and His power to mankind.

Debating any further would stray to the topic of free will and I've already addressed free will in many, many posts in God I and God II, as well as other religion related topics.

I kind of understand what you mean by the first part. I believe that God created nature, but I think I get what you're saying -- kind of like nature has always been here?

It's hard to see God's power sometimes. Even I have to look pretty closely

[Spirited Away]

I kind of understand what you mean by the first part. I believe that God created nature

Then look at it this way: Nature's "real" is based things that we know for sure of, as in both you and I acknowledge it. It's a universal truth. However, the concept of Heaven and Hell is a 'truth' based on perspective.

The universal truth is that Nature exist before Man. Man didn't create nature. Compare this: Man created machines from their minds while Nature was always just there, and God created Heaven, while Hell is just there.

but I think I get what you're saying -- kind of like nature has always been here?

Yes!

[lakerfever2476]

Ok, God created everything that was good. Satan made everything that was bad.

[dahalfkoreanstyl]

a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, no thanks

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

Ok, God created everything that was good. Satan made everything that was bad.

nooo really?

[lakerfever2476]

Well, people kept on writing, if "How could da da da da da be so bad when God created it?"

LOL

[sadolakced acid]

Yes, you do burn. You burn forever; Hell is the most horrible place ever, so the burning wouldn't be as if you burned to death, but it would be a million times worse. (not you specifically; a general "you")

I'm just wondering, why does that sound better than heaven? I know everyone has their own opinions, so I'd like to hear yours =)

because i am of the antichrist, right?

i cannot stand an eternity with all the 'good christians' in heaven, basking in the glow of this oh-so-prefect god that's really full of himself.

[avalon*]

because i am of the antichrist, right? 

i cannot stand an eternity with all the 'good christians' in heaven, basking in the glow of this oh-so-prefect god that's really full of himself.

ah. so you'd rather not be good? am i correct? that's fine, just trying to understand what you're saying.

[sadolakced acid]

ah. so you'd rather not be good? am i correct? that's fine, just trying to understand what you're saying.

i do not want to be the bible's definition of good.
i do not want to live the bible's definition of heaven.

i can be good in my own way, but the bible says it's bad.

[avalon*]

this is really interesting =) i have never met anyone like you, but that's not a bad thing. i spend a lot of my time around my christian friends, so this is an interesting new perspective for me. thanks for sharing.

[*xcaitlinx*]

----double post. so sorry.

[*xcaitlinx*]

It doesn't matter if he is just kidding. He is bashing a religion and that's not right whether he doesn't mean it or not. If he didn't mean it then he had no reason to post such an offending statement. How can you expect someone to not take it seriously? If I were to say something about your race and how everyone like you is stupid or something like that, would you not take the slightest bit of offense to it?

It's not called "bashing". He's simply giving his opinion. Just as you are. EVERYONE has the right to express how they feel--whether you believe in it or not.

About the whole hell issue---think what you want to think. I, myself, believe that there is no hell nor heaven. You simply die, and that's it. Why does everything have to be so complicated?

I've been eyeballing this thread. I really don't think hell kicks ass. If you don't believe in God, then you shouldn't be bashing those of us who do. If you think hell kicks ass, then Kudos to you. In time, we'll see.

What you said is definitely considered hypocritical. People that don't believe in God shouldn't be bashing those who do, and yet, you plus others in this thread are allowed to bash non-believers?

i do not want to be the bible's definition of good.
i do not want to live the bible's definition of heaven.

i can be good in my own way, but the bible says it's bad.

i feel the same way.

[sadolakced acid]

Well, people kept on writing, if "How could da da da da da be so bad when God created it?"

  LOL

who created satan then?

god is all powerful. it's his fault.

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

who created satan then? 

god is all powerful.  it's his fault.

god didnt create SATAN, he created an angel that was the most powerful angel... and he got jealous of god that he had all the power, and he didnt want to serve god anymore so he did something, yada yada yada then he got thrown in hell. the end. read the bible for a better understanding, im not too clear on exactly how it went

[sadolakced acid]

god didnt create SATAN, he created an angel that was the most powerful angel... and he got jealous of god that he had all the power, and he didnt want to serve god anymore so he did something, yada yada yada then he got thrown in hell. the end. read the bible for a better understanding, im not too clear on exactly how it went

oh, now you have invoked the wrath of mr. acid.
never tell me to read the bible.

god created everything. he created the earth, and heaven, and his angels. he is all powerful. he controled extactly what they would become.

god, the all-powerful, created the angel who would become satan. which means god was the one who planted the seed of jealousy, and god was the one that made him.

and if, infact, god is all powerful, then he was the one who controled his angel to become evil, and to create hell.

also, i am the voice of god. god is all-powerful. the bible says so. he created the world, and thus he controls me.

this is the voice of god. you will listen to me!!!

ok, by the end of the debate you will have either admited god created all evil, or that god is not all-powerful. both of which go against christianity and the bible.

[racoons > you]

and if, infact, god is all powerful, then he was the one who controled his angel to become evil, and to create hell.

also, i am the voice of god. god is all-powerful. the bible says so. he created the world, and thus he controls me.

thats illogical. your confusing the potential for power with total control. jus tbecause god CAN control everyone, doesnt neccessarily mean he chooses to do so

oh, now you have invoked the wrath of mr. acid.
never tell me to read the bible.

why? surely it cant damage your hard athiest beliefs can it? after all its just a book. if you were in any other deabte, you would research sources pertaining to the opposition in order to understand the counter argument, so whats the difference?

- im not trying to be agressive btw, i support your side of this argument. i just thought that post was flawed is all

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

oh, now you have invoked the wrath of mr. acid. 
never tell me to read the bible. 

lol i wasnt forcing you to read the bible. i was making a point that if you ever wanted to learn more about it, its all in that book. personally, i dont read the bible, i only know what i have learned, but since you asked a question "who created satan then" i was merely trying to answer it

[sadolakced acid]

yea, only the first 4 'paragraphs' are really true.

the rest turned into a rant.

the reason why to never tell me to read the bible is because the bible is propogranda. it has been re-written many times to suit the current pope or king.

[racoons > you]

^^

but thats not exclusive to the bible. almost every government, and many individuals have at somepoint tweaked or twisted facts and fgures, or else used them in misleading context, to put across a point or suit the ideas of the the dya. if you're worried about that, no source can vever be considred truly safe

[sadolakced acid]

however, the bible has been altered too much.

2000 years of politics has changed it's text. whole parts of it have been intentionally left out. no one is sure of the original text. it's too far changed to be considered a mere re-write of the original.

[racoons > you]

that doesnt make it irrelevant when considering chrisitanty in the modern day, andthe ideals of the religion ina contemporary context.

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

that doesnt make it irrelevant when considering chrisitanty in the modern day, andthe ideals of the religion ina contemporary context.

agreed. they didnt change the bible so much as to twist around any ideas, when they changed it, its to help people understand better what they were actually talking about.