Homosexuals, Variation or Disorder? Options

[Comptine]

Do you think homosexuality is the result of natural variation in humans (like how people have different eye color) or is it the result of a mental disorder?

I'm asking this because I recently watched a show that was centered around this debate.

I think it's a natural variation. I don't know why but I just do. I see different sexual orientations like the different colors in eyes. It just occurs.

Your opinion?

[runforfun529]

I think its a variation, like its in our genes whether we are homosexual or not.

[RandomHero]

^^same here.

[starfaerie06]

I've never given it that name before but: variation.

[Alternativemado]

I think its a variation, like its in our genes whether we are homosexual or not.

WELL thats just nonsense homosexuality isnt in people's GENES! and if it is when i guess i my biology teacher miss the part of tlaking about the gay gene. I belive that people chose to be homosexual. I find it funny when people say that they were born homosexual because that just nonsense you're either born a boy or a girl (there are exceptions) and later on you chose to be homosexual

[Chii]

that's horrible that people would call homosexuality a mental disorder

i think it's a natural variation, people are probably born with it, no one can be like "hey those people are gay, i should be gay too" but it may be influenced too...because i was exposed to pornography at a young age...i'm pretty sure that i'm bisexual, but maybe it's natural, i could've looked away or felt differently

[*salcha*]

WELL thats just nonsense homosexuality isnt in people's GENES! and if it is when i guess i my biology teacher miss the part of tlaking about the gay gene. I belive that people chose to be homosexual. I find it funny when people say that they were born homosexual because that just nonsense you're either born a boy or a girl (there are exceptions) and later on you chose to be homosexual

hey, thats what i thnk too

[*xcaitlinx*]

mental disorder? how twisted can you be? my god... i never thought that anyone could stoop down to that level. Well, now I know. I feel a lot better about myself knowing that I'm not as unintelligent and disgusting as some people are.

[im2tall]

as mentioned before by many, the term "mental disorder" is not really appropriate in this discussion. To term homosexuality as mental disorder identifies the people negatively (like someone that is "sick") and personally my friends that are gay are more cordial and fun than my straight friends.

But I think you're trying to compare nature vs. nurture, and IMHO I believe it's more nurture. Sexual identity is not the same as gender, which is a convenient classification developed by people. Sexual identity is developed over time based on past experiences and I don't think "homosexuals" are any different than "heterosexuals."

[starfaerie06]

as mentioned before by many, the term "mental disorder" is not really appropriate in this discussion.  To term homosexuality as mental disorder identifies the people negatively (like someone that is "sick") and personally my friends that are gay are more cordial and fun than my straight friends. 

But I think you're trying to compare nature vs. nurture, and IMHO I believe it's more nurture.  Sexual identity is not the same as gender, which is a convenient classification developed by people.  Sexual identity is developed over time based on past experiences and I don't think "homosexuals" are any different than "heterosexuals."

That's a good way of putting it.

[sadolakced acid]

those of you who say it's a choice, please support it.

sucessive males have a higher chance of being gay.

also, if a male is gay, there is higher probablility that his mother's brother is also gay.

even if they've never met.

do you honestly belive peopl just wake up one day and decide to be gay?

"oh shoot it's monday i hate monday hmm i guess from now on i'll decide to like guys and not girls even tho i'm a guy and that's why for the next 10 years i'll hide it and not tell everone and be embarassed about it, and that's why i choose this monday is the day to become gay."

is that what you honestly think happens?

[Comptine]

^^ I agree

Although it's your opinion, and you have every right to think that, it's a pretty arrogant opinion.

A majority of homosexuals come from religious backgrounds that condemn homosexuality. Why would they ever chose something that goes against something they grew up with? You have no idea of the torment gay people go through just to undo their "choice". They go to "support" groups that force them to watch graphic and repulsive videos. Then they give them electrical shocks.

Maybe I didn't make the topic clearer.

No, I'm not trying to but homosexuals in a negative way. But that is what the debate is about and I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Homosexuality was and still is believed by some scientists as a mental disorder (or psyhcological disorder...) Before 1973, homosexuality was in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

What I'm asking you is do you think that homosexuality is a natural part of human evolution or is there a scientific (medical) reasoning behind it? As in natural variation or is there something different in their minds?

[anoniez]

IMHO, I don't believe homosexuality was a part of natural human evolution- since the point of evolution and natural selection is to further your genes, being homosexual would essentially lead to a dead end. Homosexuality would never be a successful way of furthering your genes since it's not exactly a way to have children. So I'm leaning more towards there being scientific reasoning behind it. Not trying to diss gays or anything like that btw, it's just that it seems like a logical conclusion.

[sadolakced acid]

IMHO, I don't believe homosexuality was a part of natural human evolution- since the point of evolution and natural selection is to further your genes, being homosexual would essentially lead to a dead end. Homosexuality would never be a successful way of furthering your genes since it's not exactly a way to have children. So I'm leaning more towards there being scientific reasoning behind it. Not trying to diss gays or anything like that btw, it's just that it seems like a logical conclusion.

that is, unless the gene for homosexuality is carried on the X chromosome, and provides such an advantage to the females that it outweights the problems of homosexuality.

Homosexuality may very well be a side effect of a gene that, say, greatly increases the chances that a baby will survive.

[qoddesscheeks]

i think it`s a mental disorder, because there r cases of people who were hurt severely by the opposite sex turning into homosexuals.

[sadolakced acid]

and... you have proof of these cases?

Those cases are probably a fluke. they are either pretending, or they were hiding it.

unless you can prove it...

[qoddesscheeks]

hm i don`t think i made myself clear. i meant that there r cases of people who were hurt by an opposite sex so they turned into homosexual because they think people of their own gender would understand them better&not hurt them as much.

i don`t have any actual prooves, but i did read factual stories on them.

[sadolakced acid]

a person can choose to pretend to be homosexual.

that's my point.

[actionrobot_go]

definetly variation in my opinion, one cannot choose to be homosexual. it's something that you have no control of, you're born with it.

[sporadic]

Variation. Although I do think there are some cases in which you can be "turned" gay.

[sweetxsimplicity]

Hmm..well I think sometimes it might be mental..but..I'm not sure about all this 'sexual' and 'bi' and 'gay' stuff.

[tofuburger]

i doubt homosexuality is in your genes...that's just funny...cuz your parents had to be straight to have you right??...unless ..it was like a sperm donation thing...and i wouldn't really call it a "disorder".....i don't know...it's just a preferance...and also if it was in your genes...like eye color and such...would you just pop out and be born gay???...gay toddlers... oy...

[sadolakced acid]

i doubt homosexuality is in your genes...that's just funny...cuz your parents had to be straight to have you right??...unless ..it was like a sperm donation thing...and i wouldn't really call it a "disorder".....i don't know...it's just a preferance...and also if it was in your genes...like eye color and such...would you just pop out and be born gay???...gay toddlers... oy...

you didn't you read the other posts?

homosexuality can survive genetically if it's on the X chromosome and benifits females so much that it helps.

[sammi rules you]

um, homosexuality isn't genetically passed down, no. but it's in hormones. that's why most people realize if they're gay during puberty..your homones affect it.

people who say it's a choice piss me off. seriously, who would WANT to be gay with all the shit people put them through?

people can experiment, but in the end, you are what you are and you can't change it.

[Mini]

I don't think anyone choose to be gay in this closed-minded society. I don't even wish homosexuality on anyone because it is so discriminated against.

I seriously doubt people just choose to be gay because most families like mine are very much AGAINST homosexuality and they believe whoever is homosexual should literally die and burn in Hell.

There is likely more homosexuals out there, but they don't reveal it. Like the gay senator who was married and had children, he couldn't keep that lie of being straight. Seriously who knows how many gays pretend to be straight because it goes against "human nature" and even God.

I don't think the senator chose to be gay and experiment and then became straight. It just doesn't work like that. It's just saying straight people suddenly chooses to be gay.

There isn't enough proof for it to be genetic either.

Just don't discriminate against homosexuals and the world will be a better place.

[Mini]

i think it`s a mental disorder, because there r cases of people who were hurt severely by the opposite sex turning into homosexuals.

Haha. Okay, I never have been in a relationship with a girl or a guy. And can you explain why I am bisexual and not straight or gay?

People can pretend to be straight and then reveal the truth.

[racoons > you]

I hate homophobia.

being gay is not a choice.

if there is such a thing as the 'super male' gene, or haviung two y chromosomes, then why is it so implausible that homosexuality should be carried on a gene?

cretins

[heyyfrankie]

i think it is a variation. i also think that you are born gay! some people think that you TURN gay but that doesn't make since because you would have to TURN straight too. so therefore, when you are born, if you don't TURN straight nor gay, what are you?

[sammehmyst]

regular!

gays are humans too peoples!
what if men and women weren't allowed to get married.. -.-

[Spirited Away]

what if men and women weren't allowed to get married.. -.-

We all can just live in sin? *Shrugs*.

The human race does not need marriage to survive.

As for variation or not, I do not know. I'll wait until there is no longer a controversy over its nature to find out.

[ixyuriish]

but i dont understand how can you be gay when your a baby you cant think gay thoughts then ...then how would you be born gay?.. i think the way the kid grows up and the enviroment the kid lives in and how the kid is raised...

[racoons > you]

We all can just live in sin? *Shrugs*.

what if you dont consider homosexuality a sin?

love is more important than gender

but i dont understand how can you be gay when your a baby you cant think gay thoughts then ...then how would you be born gay?

well then the flip side of that argument is that a baby cant think straight thoughts either. Unless you think they can, in which case why cant they thing gay thoughts?

[sammi rules you]

but i dont understand how can you be gay when your a baby you cant think gay thoughts then ...then how would you be born gay?.. i think  the way the kid grows up and the enviroment the kid lives in and how the kid is raised...

i think what happens is that the kid is gay, they just haven't realized it or had enough information to even know what gay is. sometimes you can tell at a young age if you really look. when my friend steve (who is gay now, and he shows it) was a kid, he had more friends who were girls and he would rather do "girly" things. he loved the color pink and was for some reason obsessed with his clothes even when he was 5. no one ever thought anything of it, but sure enough, when he hit puberty he kinda realized he liked the thought of kissing a guy more. you can be born with it, it just takes a while to actually realize.

that's my thought, but whatever.

[ixyuriish]

well then the flip side of that argument is that a baby cant think straight thoughts either. Unless you think they can, in which case why cant they thing gay thoughts?

a baby is vulnerable... the babys brain is like a sponge..its sucks up anything...they dont start thinking that theyre gay...unless someone teaches them to like girls/boys. its the enviroment and where you are raised and who you hang out with.

i think what happens is that the kid is gay, they just haven't realized it or had enough information to even know what gay is. sometimes you can tell at a young age if you really look. when my friend steve (who is gay now, and he shows it) was a kid, he had more friends who were girls and he would rather do "girly" things. he loved the color pink and was for some reason obsessed with his clothes even when he was 5. no one ever thought anything of it, but sure enough, when he hit puberty he kinda realized he liked the thought of kissing a guy more. you can be born with it, it just takes a while to actually realize.

that's my thought, but whatever.

i dont think its like a choice but thats sort of what i mean ... but your not born gay you just turn gay like the way your raised and the people you hang out with and the enviroment you live in ... like you said they don't realize until they mature a bit that doesnt mean they're born gay.

[sammi rules you]

what if you live in a strict christian community and hang out with homophobic people, but still turn out gay? it's happened, i know someone it happened to.

[racoons > you]

a baby is vulnerable... the babys brain is like a sponge..its sucks up anything...they dont start thinking that theyre gay...unless someone teaches them to like girls/boys. its the enviroment and where you are raised and who you hang out with.

Well then surely a baby can't be straight unless someone teaches them to love the opposite gender?

in which case heterosexuality is no more a natural state than homosexuality. Which means that th idea of gay people as sub-normal is a load of bollocks. if it weren't already

btw, touch my monkey, is that u in ur signature?

[sammi rules you]

good points made, MarchHare2UrAlice. and yea it's me.

[Heathasm]

WELL thats just nonsense homosexuality isnt in people's GENES! and if it is when i guess i my biology teacher miss the part of tlaking about the gay gene. I belive that people chose to be homosexual. I find it funny when people say that they were born homosexual because that just nonsense you're either born a boy or a girl (there are exceptions) and later on you chose to be homosexual

it has to do with hormonal balance, duh. not your gender

[racoons > you]

thanks, touch

ur very hot, btw. just observing, not a perv.

[xquizit]

But I think you're trying to compare nature vs. nurture, and IMHO I believe it's more nurture.  Sexual identity is not the same as gender, which is a convenient classification developed by people.  Sexual identity is developed over time based on past experiences and I don't think "homosexuals" are any different than "heterosexuals."

Yes, someone who knows what he's talking about.

[misoshiru]

i think that it's just a variation, but definately NOT a mental disorder. and i dont think that i can be "chosen" i mean looking at all the homophobia in the world, who would choose to be homosexual? they're just people, they deserve to be treated the same way as we do to anyone else.

[racoons > you]

who would choose to be homosexual?

exactly, i mean, i'm not exactly 3eager to make my self part of the most judged, and generaly disliked and feared group ofpeople in the world

[*tweeak*]

btw, touch my monkey, is that u in ur signature?

good points made, MarchHare2UrAlice. and yea it's me.

oh look, a couple of my favorite members bonding nicely

alright, not spamming

although for the most part, people cant help being homosexual, i do think its wrong for people tp say theyre bi for attentoin

[racoons > you]

i do think its wrong for people tp say theyre bi for attentoin

what abt saying they're bi b/c they are

[*tweeak*]

i obviously wasnt talking about people who really are.

[sammi rules you]

some people just do it for attention, or experiment in college or something, but eventually they'll go to where they're supposed to be.

[sadolakced acid]

you want to know why it's not nurture?

there was a boy, recently born, that had a circumcision go bad. the doctors had to amputate.

scientists thought that this might be a good thing to use to expirement. so they gave him a sex change operation, and told his parents to raise him as a girl. John was now Joan.

(this is a real expirement by the way)

anyways; when 'joan' was a teenager 'she' was given estrogen and stuff. She thouroughly belived she was a girl. Society told her she should like boys. that's what she was being taught.

and so, the scientists said it's all nurture. 'joan' was a normal teenage 'girl', or so it seemed.

however: what the scientists didn't do was a follow up. years later 'joan's' mother told 'him' what happened.

It was like a revalation. he (john/joan) realized why he'd liked girls and wanted to pee standing up. etc. etc.

so he had his sex changed back and got married.


And so; if it is nurture that decides this; why was not joan a normal 'girl'?

[weirdness]

saying its a mental disorder is... mean.

plus i think its between genes and influence of other peoples.

[sammi rules you]

AHHHH.
perhaps in some cases it's others' influence.
but like i've said before - even if you grow up around a bunch of homophobes and being gay wouldn't be accepted at all, you can still end up being gay.

it's not influence, or nurture. that's been proven. stop saying it.

[xkiller_muffiinx]

I think its in the genes...like something youre born with that can`t be helped

[Saeglopur]

For some people I know, it's genes. For others, attention.
There's not a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals in my school. If you are a homosexual/bisexual in my school, you're shunned. Completely.

--

By the way..

and if it is when i guess i my biology teacher miss the part of tlaking about the gay gene.

^ That's called hormonal imbalance. There is no such thing as the gay gene.

--

Why do you guys want to know anyway? If it doesn't affect you, then don't but in it.

[sammi rules you]

^ same with my school. there's some gay kids but they don't go around parading it cause...cmon. it's wheeler. *sighs*

and she's right, what does it do to you if there's a gay person on the tv? don't watch it then. big whoop. it's not like they're holding your eyelids open and making you watch a tape of them having sex.



oh, and this is my 3000th post.

[freeflow]

yeahhh me tooo theres people at my school or around where i live that i seen that are gay. they dont really tell people and stuff unless they are friends with someone but with some people you can really tell.

i also think it is as variation ;; its not really a disorder or something because gay people are just like everyone else except they just like the same sex which may be a kinda big diffrence but its shouldnt be

[picaso_smile]

Being gay isn't a choice. Why would a person chose a life of shame and discrimination when they could be normal?

I agree that people don't "just turn gay". It happens during puberty when normally a guy would start liking a girls. Makes sense, yes? It's more of a delevopmental problem...

I think it's somewhat of a mutation. Some people are born with 11 toes... it's not their fault and it's just how they are.

No other animals have been proven gay. Human genetics is complicated. I don't think human are supposed to be gay. I just think it happens, like anything else in life.

[racoons > you]

No other animals have been proven gay. Human genetics is complicated. I don't think human are supposed to be gay. I just think it happens, like anything else in life.

has it ever been fully researched? im actually genuinely interested, not just picking holes herre btw.

maybe man wouldn't like what they found

[lAzN YiN YanGl]

Today in Western Civ. class we were talking about how in the past, during the French Revolution, women like fat guys because it showed they were rich. Maybe it's just the mind-set of people or society? Blah, that made no sense did it?

[ilauqh]

i dont think ur born homosexual... i think it jus gradually happens over time and u cannot control it. it is definitely not a disorder or anything like that. disorders are bad, who said homosexually was bad? its not, its perfectly okay... well dats what i think. except i dont like seeing homosexual people kissing. but thats it.

[xGlovex]

I think its a variation, like its in our genes whether we are homosexual or not.

I Definitly Agree

[ryfitaDF]

Do you think homosexuality is the result of natural variation in humans (like how people have different eye color) or is it the result of a mental disorder?

I'm asking this because I recently watched a show that was centered around this debate.

I think it's a natural variation. I don't know why but I just do. I see different sexual orientations like the different colors in eyes. It just occurs.

Your opinion?

i dont know. but i do know that people with variations aren't prohibited for them, and people with disorders aren't prohibited for them (excluding serial killers).

[auroradude]

Whenever i see a homo in my school me and my girlfriend make out furiously like we were about to get it on. This leads the gay person to turn their head the opposite way as if it was digusting. Just for shits and giggles but like any other horny teenager, gotta make out or bone.

My 10 cups of coffee today didnt help my horniness but i suppose this weekend will help calm my nerves when i visit me girlfriend

[racoons > you]

^^ how on earth is that relevant?

[actionrobot_go]

It isn't just people that are homosexual that would find that disgusting auroradude

[JustinJuxta]

It's like being left-handed. Who knows why it happens less often? It just does.

[*mSz_dOrk_anGeL*]

Its a lifestyle choice.
Peroid, the end.

[xGlovex]

first of all-i think being homosexual is in your jeans.

second of all-all ppl should be treated alike homosexual or straigh or bi.

third of all-lets not have another martin luther king-haha

[*mSz_dOrk_anGeL*]

^^
How about you learn how to spell?
And no, its not in the 'jeans'.
No one in my family has ever been gay.
Its just who you freakin are.

[sammi rules you]

third of all-lets not have another martin luther king-haha

what??

[*mzkandi*]

i was brought in a christian household and their view on the whole gay issue is that it is totally immoral. me on the other hand, i am more open...whether they say they were born that way or if they say that made the choice , who am i to judge.....but it is an interesting debate

[Saeglopur]

I have a cousin. He's gay.
He has an uncle. He's gay.
His mom says that it's all the dad's fault because his uncle is gay.

I have no idea how that was relevant.. but can't you guys just accept people for who they are and stop wondering about how they are like that in the first place?

[racoons > you]

^^ 'xactly

you wouldnt debate about why someone had bluye eyes, or why they were tall, so why wonder about something equally out of their control

[xsweet_as_candii...]

[B][FONT=Geneva]

that's horrible that people would call homosexuality a mental disorder 

that is completely right, nothing is wrong with them how could you even say that? I hate it how people thinks its weird if someones homosexual, theyre they same as us they just like ppl of the same sex, and what is wrong with that? absolutely nothing, i think they just chose to be what they are, and i also think its terribble about how they cant get married, so we deserve to be happy and they dont.

[x-hobo-x]

as mentioned before by many, the term "mental disorder" is not really appropriate in this discussion.  To term homosexuality as mental disorder identifies the people negatively (like someone that is "sick") and personally my friends that are gay are more cordial and fun than my straight friends. 

XD i no.. some ppl i no that are gay seem to have more sense of humor :P
and i think it's variation

[*kryogenix*]

OMG HOMOS ARE T3H DEVIL!!!

SEE! 666!

kidding.

[sammi rules you]

^ cute. but debate with us, you actually back up your opinions

[x-hobo-x]

OMG HOMOS ARE T3H DEVIL!!!

SEE! 666!

kidding.

wow, wut a coinsidence!

[ryfitaDF]

I have a cousin. He's gay.
He has an uncle. He's gay.
His mom says that it's all the dad's fault because his uncle is gay.

I have no idea how that was relevant.. but can't you guys just accept people for who they are and stop wondering about how they are like that in the first place?

homosexuality isn't a "Fault". it's just a lifestyle different from the one western civilisation is used to. there are enough people in the wold, now, that homosexuality isn't going to hurt anything. lets evolve.

[Comptine]

First of all, this is a debate forum. Debates aren't limited to politically correct topics. What about the debates on religion? Why not just leave religion alone? If you think this is a debate that puts homosexuals in a negative light, you need to read more carefully.

I stated before that in the 1970's, homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder. Some scientists still study homosexuals. Are they suppose to go, "Let's not do this anymore. It's not nice."

I know people who are gay. They are ten times better than some of the straight people I know. But whether you like it or not, homosexuality is still not considered a norm. Biologically, it is programmed in all species to reproduce and thrive.

Don't be politically correct or nice. I want you opinion.

And thinking 'mental disorder' is a bad word, I'm sorry but that's the only word that can generalize the idea. Although I think this runs along the same lines of people saying, "Differently abled". Yes, it's not exactly nice or respective. If you can give me another word that can better describe it, then suggest it.

[Tung]

it's both. some people were born gay. and some people just turn gay. people's feelings change over time.

[sammi rules you]

to further satisfy Endless_Symphony over here, i'll be perfectly blunt and you'll all have to deal with that. it might be mean, but i wasn't modded for my people skills.

i think those that are homophobic and against homosexualism are downright wrong and utterly ignorant. a person cannot, i will repeat, CAN NOT control whether they are gay or not. it is not a choice. can you really tell me that people would want to be gay? why would someone want to be gay, with all the persecution and discrimination people like YOU give them? it's not to go against God, or anything of that nature. they can't help it. you can't help who you're attracted to. we all wish we could, we could all be a lot happier if we could pick and choose, but you can't. you all just have to deal with reality. people are gay, and you can't change it. going against something they have no control over is stupid, and i lose respect for those who don't respect others based on things they have no control over, such as race or sexuality or gender...etc.

there.

[racoons > you]

^^

excelent... best summary i've heard in a long time... i second all of that

[Comptine]

yup... i was satisfied though I hope the "YOU" you were referring to was not me.

[sammi rules you]

the YOU was referring to those who are homophobic and against homosexuality.

[nevernothere]

No one really knows for sure... I'll be honest... I just don't like it very much.... not really a problem with bisexuals though.

[darkphyre]

No one really knows for sure... I'll be honest... I just don't like it very much.... not really a problem with bisexuals though.

You dislike homosexuals, but you don't mind bisexuals? That is quite possibly the "strangest" (to be nice) thing I have ever heard.

[sammi rules you]

that is quite strange.
i understand homosexuality, but i really just don't..get..bisexuality. i'll respect it though.

[racoons > you]

bisexuality= either attention seeking or denial. its very rare to find someone genuinly bisexual. good for them though

No one really knows for sure... I'll be honest... I just don't like it very much.... not really a problem with bisexuals though.

thats stupid.

[Saeglopur]

Just one question though ... why do you guys even care if ... 1) You are homophobic. 2) Highly Disapprove of Homosexuality and 3) you're not homosexual/bisexual. Is it that intriguing to you?

Anyway, ..... why do you care?

That's all. Nothing to see here.

[vehvih]

According to the Bible, homosexuality is unqualified as a no, violence against it or something is a lot more worser.

[^Learned that from History Channel ]

Non-religious and religious people, you could calm down now.

[*mona lisa*]

you are born with it, so it wouldn't be a disorder at ALL. so, its a variation. some mutation or whatever causes it.

[Comptine]

Just one question though ... why do you guys even care if ... 1) You are homophobic. 2)  Highly Disapprove of Homosexuality and 3) you're not homosexual/bisexual. Is it that intriguing to you?

Anyway, ..... why do you care?

That's all. Nothing to see here.

This is a debate forum. Never did the rules say we actually have to be connected to the topic to say anything. Intriguing? I suppose to some degree, yes. No matter how liberal someone is, they have to admit homosexuals are a bit different. Some people have jobs devoted to figuring out why.

What about the government topics? Do the people who comment or care have to be in the government? What about the white history month topic? Are the people who are in it either 1) white racists 2) white and yada yada yada.

[sammi rules you]

yes, they are different than say, me, but everyone is different from me. it's just like if they had blonde hair. i don't have blonde hair. should i treat them differently just because of that?

[racoons > you]

No matter how liberal someone is, they have to admit homosexuals are a bit different.

and no matter how conservative you are, you have to admit that they're a little bit the same... *shrugs*

[sadolakced acid]

aye, and no matter how liberal you are, women are different form men.

do that mean they should be subject to hate crimes and discrimination?

[Comptine]

Yes. Just cause people are different, we should all shun them.

/end sarcasm

[mactjhs]

umm i think neither. i personally believe that homosexuality is a choice. there are plenty of homosexuals who change their sexuality and never feel arousing homosexual tendencies again. i also believe its a sin but thats a bit off topic. this is just my opinion, everyone should be entitled to theirs, so let me be entitled to mine! thanks!

[racoons > you]

^^
we'll allow you to HAVE your opinion, but we will also tell you why it's crap. in my opinion anyway

why would anyone choose to be homoseual? for all the love it brings from society? no one who has called it a choice has so far chosen to adress this yet.

[seetomatofly]

I don't think it matters either way.
for pete's sake, or my sake, or your sake, for the whold contry's sanity WHO CARES.
honestly i think that people need to get over themselves and give other folks what they want.
i'll admit it that i get a little grossed out to see like two guys making out but should unconfertablness be a reason to make a law.
so does it really matter whether somone decides for fate decides for them on the topic of sexual preference, people should just get over it. love is love. if people are in love then let them have the same rights as everyone else in love, be they 2 men, 2 wwomen on one of each.
life is too sweet to argue over crap like this

right on people who agree :^)

[Jinjjasanaee]

i think it's just an unhealthy idea. like incest or punching the wall or jumping off of a cliff....

[angel-roh]

I think more as a mental disorder.
I mean I don't think they born to be a homosexual, right?
It just happens out of nowhere.
I don't know that's what I think.

[abiel]

I think it is a variation.
People happen to fall in love with whom and whatever...
It doesn't matter if no one is getting hurt is all...