DS or PSP Options

[RiNoAaNdSqUaLl09]

hi! the DS is so cool! i want to get that one... but i also want to get the PSP! They got awesome games on them!

[DaTru KataLYST]

psp

It's got dvd/cd capability and has a bigger screen. It can play PS1 games on it too i heard.

[*wind&fire*]

psp???? englisch bitte....

[*kryogenix*]

psp

It's got dvd/cd capability and has a bigger screen. It can play PS1 games on it too i heard.

that is probably incorrect. I don't think the ps1 discs can fit in the PSP. maybe there will be ported ps1 games, but I don't think it is backward compatible with the ps1.

I don't think it has dvd/cd capability either. It uses proprietary discs, so how can a DVD/CD fit?

I'm for the DS. Pictochat is really cool! So what if PSP has a bigger screen, the DS has two! The DS will have better games as well.

[DaTru KataLYST]

that is probably incorrect. I don't think the ps1 discs can fit in the PSP. maybe there will be ported ps1 games, but I don't think it is backward compatible with the ps1.

I don't think it has dvd/cd capability either. It uses proprietary discs, so how can a DVD/CD fit?

I'm for the DS. Pictochat is really cool! So what if PSP has a bigger screen, the DS has two! The DS will have better games as well.

I have no worries! I'm getting both!

I too thot it's too small to fit old ps1 and dvd's. But all the game mags are saying it's confirmed to run dvds for 3 hours on its batteries. so. meh.

[ThunderEvermore]

I have no worries! I'm getting both!

I too thot it's too small to fit old ps1 and dvd's. But all the game mags are saying it's confirmed to run dvds for 3 hours on its batteries. so. meh.

I believe you are talking about UMDs, Sony's personal minidiscs, which will have ports of PS1 games as well as have movies on them, including the upcoming Final Fantasy VII movie.

And the projected battery life for it during movies is 2 hours, which is hardly enough to watch even most movies.

I go with the DS, better games, better battery, better functions, better price, and its sitting on my shelf right now, haha.

[kris_fox17]

the psp is the obvious choice, but it'll burn a hole in your pocket, so might as well save your money and reserve a copy of psp. the estimated price of the psp is about $200 (just $50 more than the ds) and will be releaesd early 2005.

[*kryogenix*]

the psp is the obvious choice, but it'll burn a hole in your pocket, so might as well save your money and reserve a copy of psp. the estimated price of the psp is about $200 (just $50 more than the ds) and will be releaesd early 2005.

obvious?

what are you talking about? obvious?

want to give reasons?

[ThunderEvermore]

obvious?

what are you talking about? obvious?

want to give reasons?

What? The picture wasnt self explanatory?

[nas]

Ohh man. PSP or DS.

Double screen, great. But I'd actually want a larger screen over two small ones. ...& right now with spec comparisons, PSP sounds like it's just ahead of Nintendo.

Anybody wanna give a proper rundown on which is better?

[sharerol]

Umm, ds? Iono, I have the ds, but not the psp. So I'm guessing the ds.

[*kryogenix*]

Ohh man. PSP or DS.

Double screen, great. But I'd actually want a larger screen over two small ones. ...& right now with spec comparisons, PSP sounds like it's just ahead of Nintendo.

Anybody wanna give a proper rundown on which is better? 

Info that I've found so far

Battery Life:

PSP: 4-6 hours for games.
DS: 6-10 hours on a 4 hour charge

Price (Japan):

PSP: $195
DS: $140

A note about the price, the PSP price is much lower than I expected. Either the PSP is using really really really cheap hardware, or Sony is selling at a loss to build hype. Also, although people brag about features for the PSP, many, such as the mp3 player requre you to buy additional accessories, such as a $30 memory card.

The PSP does have a larger screen and better resolution, better hardware. But, the DS has a touch screen. Think of the possibilities. This opens up a new style of game play, pretty innovative.

As for games, the only game I heard for PSP at launch is Metal Gear Acid. I've heard a slew of DS games coming out (many ports of nintendo games, and some new games that take advantage of the touch screen). And the DS is backward compatible with Gameboy Advance games.

If I had money (wahhh i'm poor, I can't afford either handheld), I'd buy a DS.

[edit]

OMG, DS is going to have Viewtiful Joe!

[pandamonium]

The psp applies to more gadget freaks rather than gamers. i am a gadget freak but psp sounds great... they are trying to fit too much into it... i mean come on ? a umd for movies??? like you can just buy a regular portable dvd player for 99 bucks at walmart.

the psp has a much more sexier design .... i believed that the DS would of had a very very sexy design... they could of made a better design seriousli cause i doubt thats the best they can do... watch in 2 years when the price goes down.. they are going to have a much sleeker and appealing design. just wait

but in games i hope they come out with much more games for the DS because i bought a gamecube and the games were crap and i love my gamecube cause it has those party games like mario party and mario kart d-d.

but over all i go for the DS. its much cheaper. touchable screens. more for the younger generation. i mean come on not all 7 year olds are gunna be able to buy PSP for christmas. i doubt their mom would buy that for them.

[nas]

How does the PSP fare ergonomically? I know a few people complained they got cramps trying to play fast-paced games on the DS.

I've read up more about the PSP and I don't know James, this time around Sony sounds like they've got the better offer =D

I think the UMD sounds quite appealing, with the ability to play movies, music, music vids, etc. You could argue that you can get a mini-portable DVD player or whatever, but what the hell kind of DVD player can play games and look as aesthetically pleasing as that.

For some reason, the DS touch screen doesn't impress me much at all. It's a touch screen! Touch touch touch touch touch... The wireless gaming is pretty damn cool though, I'll give em that.

& Yeah, a lot of people are surprised at the PSP's price, but come on, their biggest (and practically only) competition is selling at 150$. Anything above 200$ could be the main (and perhaps sole) factor in detering people from buying the PSP.

As for games, perhaps Nintendo is on the innovative side of that and as most of you say they have the 'better games,' but I doubt Sony will disappoint their fans in that area. Maybe not better in your opinion, but I'm sure they'll have good games nonetheless.


Ahhh yeah. So right now my eyes are turned towards Sony for my next handheld console. =X

[wayne]

psh.. why compete when yo can just get both?

lol, j/k. if i were to choose. it would be ther psp, cause its so sexy, and it plays video, and it does more. plus all the action/shooter/racing games are comming out on it. so... it all depends on what you fav. genre's of games are. ds is for... multi player fun games, while psp is for.. those one player racing/shooters. almost like comparing the ps2 with the gc.. actually.. the same thing.. @_@

oh, also.. the psp is online so yeah, check into that, cause i read about that earlier. i didnt see anything about ds being online.. just wireless

[SuPerSoPow1025]

PSP is soooooooo much better!!!
Cant wait to get it!

You could go on the internet with PSP, Watch Movies, videos, mp3s, pictures, and play PS1 and PS2 games all in your hand.

[Note]

ds games suck. the games are hella fruggen short. i swear, you can beat the games in like 2 friggen hours.

::jerry::

[*kryogenix*]

ds games suck. the games are hella fruggen short. i swear, you can beat the games in like 2 friggen hours.

::jerry::

Which games are you talking about? The metroid prime cart that comes with the DS is only a demo, of course you'll finish it in a short amount of time.

PSP is soooooooo much better!!!
Cant wait to get it!

You could go on the internet with PSP, Watch Movies, videos, mp3s, pictures, and play PS1 and PS2 games all in your hand.

You can do all of that with the DS as well. Except for the PS1 and PS2 part, instead, you get ports from various nintendo consoles.

lol, j/k. if i were to choose. it would be ther psp, cause its so sexy, and it plays video, and it does more. plus all the action/shooter/racing games are comming out on it. so... it all depends on what you fav. genre's of games are. ds is for... multi player fun games, while psp is for.. those one player racing/shooters. almost like comparing the ps2 with the gc.. actually.. the same thing.. @_@

oh, also.. the psp is online so yeah, check into that, cause i read about that earlier. i didnt see anything about ds being online.. just wireless

You know, NFS Underground is being released for DS, and metroid prime hunters is an FPS. Also, the stylus is a pretty good tool for playing an FPS on a handheld.

DS + WiFi adapter = DS online

  How does the PSP fare ergonomically? I know a few people complained they got cramps trying to play fast-paced games on the DS.

I've never tried my self, but I can see your point. The DS is kinda like the Game & Watch x 2, probably not as good as the PSP ergonomically. But we'll have to wait until March 2005 to find out, unless someone gets their hands on a Japanese PSP.

I think the UMD sounds quite appealing, with the ability to play movies, music, music vids, etc. You could argue that you can get a mini-portable DVD player or whatever, but what the hell kind of DVD player can play games and look as aesthetically pleasing as that.

Unfortunately, the battery life on that thing will be atrocious. I've heard rumors that the battery dies out before the movie even ends. And technically, it's not a DVD.

For some reason, the DS touch screen doesn't impress me much at all. It's a touch screen! Touch touch touch touch touch... The wireless gaming is pretty damn cool though, I'll give em that.

Yes, the games out now do not fully use the potential the touch screen has. But we'll see, maybe down the line, we'll see some really cool features that the touch screen enables the DS to have.

& Yeah, a lot of people are surprised at the PSP's price, but come on, their biggest (and practically only) competition is selling at 150$. Anything above 200$ could be the main (and perhaps sole) factor in detering people from buying the PSP.

I kept reading, and read a rumor that Sony is selling the PSP at a loss. The money will have to be recovered by software sales and other hardware (memory sticks, etc)

However, if someone codes an emulator (or steals the one that Sony made, Sony needs to send the emulator to all the developers AND the movie studios), this strategy may go down the drain, and Sony might lose a ton of money. Pretty risky.

As for games, perhaps Nintendo is on the innovative side of that and as most of you say they have the 'better games,' but I doubt Sony will disappoint their fans in that area. Maybe not better in your opinion, but I'm sure they'll have good games nonetheless.

You will see some games that will be released for both the PSP and DS. PSP has more 3rd party support, DS obviously has more 1st party support. As you stated, quality of games is solely an opinion though.

Ahhh yeah. So right now my eyes are turned towards Sony for my next handheld console.

You've got a 3 month wait, maybe your patience will pay off

[nas]

Haha, atrocious? [boo take it back] I'm guessing the estimated battery life is.. 2 hours? Which is right, that's not enough time for a lof of the movies out these days, but we'll see.

PSP offers multi-player gaming also, but we'll also have to see about that.

You've got a 3 month wait, maybe your patience will pay off

Boy I hope so =D

This post has been edited by nas: Dec 10 2004, 03:54 PM

[wayne]

You know, NFS Underground is being released for DS, and metroid prime hunters is an FPS. Also, the stylus is a pretty good tool for playing an FPS on a handheld.

DS + WiFi adapter = DS online

hrm.. you need the wifi adapter for it to be online? iono.. sounds like its going to be more money going into it for features that should already come with it. nintendo never gives you the full package at one time... i dun get that...

[*kryogenix*]

hrm.. you need the wifi adapter for it to be online? iono.. sounds like its going to be more money going into it for features that should already come with it. nintendo never gives you the full package at one time... i dun get that...

You know though, the PSP requires you to buy a memory stick to play music. Sounds like it's going to be more money going into it for features that should already come with it. Sony never gives you the full package at one time... i don't get that...

[miss barnes]

i chose nintendo only because i read a comparison of them in a magazine & thats what they chose

[*kryogenix*]

i chose nintendo only because i read a comparison of them in a magazine & thats what they chose

not that i disagree with you, but you really shouldn't just pick what a magazine says is better.

[*tweeak*]

i havent heard much of this psp thing, but the ds looks pretty cool. however, i just got a free game boy xp, so im not getting any new game systems anytime soon

[miss barnes]

not that i disagree with you, but you really shouldn't just pick what a magazine says is better.

i chose that because based on the comparison that the magazine did the nintendo was better. Now, if the magazine had made it sound as if the psp was better, then that would have been my choice...
does that make sense??

[*kryogenix*]

i havent heard much of this psp thing, but the ds looks pretty cool. however, i just got a free game boy xp, so im not getting any new game systems anytime soon

it's sp not xp

i chose that because based on the comparison that the magazine did the nintendo was better. Now, if the magazine had made it sound as if the psp was better, then that would have been my choice...
does that make sense??

no it doesn't. you're letting the magazine think for you. i came to the conclusion that the DS is better on my own research, not because some magazine says it is.

[pandamonium]

yea you shouldnt look a magazines advice for opinion its what applies to you.. you only look to the magazine to see what features or abilities the product has.

[nas]

One magazine isn't gonna cut it either. You need way more than one source in order to get past most of the bias and form your own opinion.

[miss barnes]

oh my goodness peoples...i just made two comments & it turned into more than it was meant to be....i really could care less which is better because i dont care for neither...i adore my ps2...i just said why i voted for the ds.........*hides in the corner*

[*tweeak*]

it's sp not xp



no it doesn't. you're letting the magazine think for you. i came to the conclusion that the DS is better on my own research, not because some magazine says it is.

i know, i was talking about what window versions i had at the same time, so i got confused

[nas]

(I always almost say xp as well =x)

Hot shit the PSP came out in Japan! Here's a few of my questions answered:
What will the battery time be?
4-5 hours for Video watching through UMD.
4-6 hours average for gameplay through UMD.
4 hours with headphones and 50% volume, no WIFI and highest screen brightness (180 cd/m2).
6 hours with headphones and 50% volume, no WIFI and lowest screen brightness (80 cd/m2).

What does the PSP's analog controller feel like?
Like the PS2's analog controller. It has the same sensitivity (resolution).
"The PSP feels comfortable in the hand, with all the buttons, and the analogue thumb pad, falling right into place. We actually found the analogue thumb pad to be perfectly situated for making our pointer fingers fall onto the shoulder buttons"



And here's the Value Pack, an estimated $242. (I'll be saving up for this)



Mmmmmmmm.
For fans of Final Fantasy VII, there will be four follow ups:
Advent Children - a movie playable on the PSP(so it'll be on UMD)
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - Another action RPG for the PSP
Final Fantasy VII Before Crisis - another game for the handheld
Dirge of Cerberus - this one for the PS2

& here's some screens of PSP's graphics:

Armored Core: Formula Front


Lumines


Dynasty Warriors




I've made my final decision.

[*kryogenix*]

i was told by several users of slashdot that sony's battery estimates are far from conservative. real battery life would be from 1-2 hours.

the problem is the UMD. the battery needs to power the laser and motor to keep reading the disc. Also, that huge screen needs to suck a lot of battery power.

Price will most likely be rounded up to $250 when it hits the states (they always like to sell at a round number)

and dynasty warriors is coming out for the DS too.

[edit]

oh my. http://www.gamespot.com/psp/sports/hotshot...ws_6114909.html

Based on our estimates and a few battery-draining tests, Ridge Racers seems to last somewhere between 90 minutes and three hours

depending on brightness.

90 minutes for a game? That is TERRIBLE.

And loading time. That won't be very cool.

edit again: 90 minutes, and that's without WiFi. Imagine what it would be with WiFi.

/me shudders

[*kryogenix*]

bump, if you haven't read the edit i made to the above post.

sigh, i edited to avoid double posting, but i've done so anyway

[nas]

bump, if you haven't read the edit i made to the above post.

sigh, i edited to avoid double posting, but i've done so anyway

Who cares (about the double posting)

"...between 90 minutes and 3 hours" ;)

Not saying it'll last 3 hours, but it's not concrete either that it's only 90 minutes. ;P


I'm dishing out like 300$ for this, starting to save..... NOW.
& if anything, I'll probably invest in an extra battery... like I did with my digi cam. If it's put to good use, I don't mind paying for it.

[nas]

Oh and - (double post, deal)

Judging by my preference of games, I probably won't be playing anything like Ridge Racers. Then again... what's included in "...graphically intensive games..."

[*kryogenix*]

Who cares (about the double posting)

"...between 90 minutes and 3 hours" ;)

Not saying it'll last 3 hours, but it's not concrete either that it's only 90 minutes. ;P


I'm dishing out like 300$ for this, starting to save..... NOW.
& if anything, I'll probably invest in an extra battery... like I did with my digi cam. If it's put to good use, I don't mind paying for it.

the battery is an internal li-ion battery, so I don't think you'll be able to change it (kinda like the deal with the iPods).

[nas]

Nope, you can buy extra batteries for it. It's selling for around $45 right now in Japan. http://psp.ign.com/articles/560/560950p1.html

[*kryogenix*]

Nope, you can buy extra batteries for it. It's selling for around $45 right now in Japan. http://psp.ign.com/articles/560/560950p1.html

Even still, it's a bit of a nuisance to have to stop play to insert new batteries every 1-3 hours.

[*kryogenix*]

Double post :(

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4010

Defective PSPs. Remember, when you buy one (goes for both DS and PSP), keep the receipt in case you get a defective product.

However, this does raise the issue of durability. The DS did have it's problems, but it was only a handfull of units that had dead pixels, which is a problem ALL lcd devices have.

Here's a list of the problems the PSP is having, for those who do not wish to click the link:

# Analog nubs not just not working, but actually falling off.
# PSP is turned on, but does not start up.
# Screen has air bubbles.
# Screen has dust on the inside.

Also, as for the UMD drive problems, some have reported the drive not closing completely, and the UMD, when the PSP is twisted, actually flies out!

That raises some concerns with me. Did Sony skimp on quality in order to get the PSP at the price it is? How long will your PSP last? Before the screen gets scratched, before the analog nub falls off, before the umd drive ceases to function.

The DS does not have this problem. The DS has a clamshell design, so the screen is protected. Nintendo gives you an extra stylus in case you lose one. The DS uses flash carts, so there are no moving parts that can break.

Nintendo has been known for high quality products, while Sony is infamous for broken playstations.

Will a PSP be a good investment? Let's just hope the warranty is long.

All things considered, the DS is a better investment to me.

[edit]http://www.gamesarefun.com/consoles/psp/pspdefect1.mov

that's a video of a guy playing a psp, but since it shakes too much, the UMD popped out.

not a pleasant thing.

[nas]

It's a handheld, I'm not gonna sit on my ass for anywhere near 2 hours(well, movie maybe). Battery changing no prob. Like I said, I view this like my other baby(digi cam). You know how much I use that thing.. I love it to death and I have no qualms changing batteries, even when I'm shooting something important. And anyway, I've gotten used to knowing/estimating(not like you'd need to estimate for the PSP) the life of batteries so I never hit the low-battery signal. And I pretty much always know to keep the spare fully charged. I'd know better than to expect to play for a while when I only have half the battery life left.

However, this does raise the issue of durability. The DS did have it's problems, but it was only a handfull of units that had dead pixels, which is a problem ALL lcd devices have.

Most retailers are stressing the fact that these problems don't occur in the majority of PSPs, but take caution in importing until Sony gives an official announcement.

Hold on the imports and wait for the US release :) Your warranty, I'm sure, will be easier to work with.

The DS does not have this problem. The DS has a clamshell design, so the screen is protected. Nintendo gives you an extra stylus in case you lose one. The DS uses flash carts, so there are no moving parts that can break.

I know the Value pack provides a case(does the non-value offer it too?), not much of one if you drop it, but a case none the less. It should prevent scratches and the like when the PSP is placed in your bag or something. Screen protection? Check! Extra stylus? What stylus?

Nintendo has been known for high quality products, while Sony is infamous for broken playstations.

This sadly, is true, but this argument just takes you back to the whole Sony vs. Nintendo argument. Anyway, I haven't heard of anyone ditching their PS2 because of faulty hardware and the likes, not saying there aren't people that complain about it. I'm saying, I myself have never come across anyone who's completely abandoned their Sony product.

All things considered, the DS is a better investment to me.

All things considered, I can't freakin wait to get my hands on a PSP!

[*kryogenix*]

It's a handheld, I'm not gonna sit on my ass for anywhere near 2 hours(well, movie maybe). Battery changing no prob. Like I said, I view this like my other baby(digi cam). You know how much I use that thing.. I love it to death and I have no qualms changing batteries, even when I'm shooting something important. And anyway, I've gotten used to knowing/estimating(not like you'd need to estimate for the PSP) the life of batteries so I never hit the low-battery signal. And I pretty much always know to keep the spare fully charged. I'd know better than to expect to play for a while when I only have half the battery life left.

What I have in mind for the DS is when I have no choice but to sit on my ass for more than two hours. Plane rides, long car trips and the like.

If the battery life is acceptable to you, obviously I'm not going to change your mind. But to me, 90 minutes is just unacceptable.

I know the Value pack provides a case(does the non-value offer it too?), not much of one if you drop it, but a case none the less. It should prevent scratches and the like when the PSP is placed in your bag or something. Screen protection? Check! Extra stylus? What stylus?

i think lik-sang.com mentioned the DS will come with an extra stylus.

All things considered, I can't freakin wait to get my hands on a PSP!

Did you consider the video with the UMD popping out?

Arrrgh, I feel like I'm turning into a nintendo salesman

[nas]

It's not expected to last only 90 minutes. It depends on what you're doing(games, movies, MP3's), settings, etc.

I'm saying the PSP doesn't have anything extra, to lose, so no worries about a missing stylus. Doesn't really help the argument if GC has an extra stylus or not.

And the UMD popping out? As that site said, it's not a problem in the majority of PSPs, just like the problem with the DS is only on a few. I bet you're going to have to worry about it if you're an aggressive player, which I don't really think I am.

And think about it, there's always gonna be those few faulty hardware. This is the first release. We can only hope the number of problems will decrease by the time it comes to the US.


...And what happened to the Nintendo fan in me =/

[kris_fox17]

personally i would pick the psp because first of all the games are way better (final fantasy) the graphics surpass the ds, it's sleek design, and it's features. i'm definently going to save up some some money to get myself a psp (already reserved my copy!!!)

[ThunderEvermore]

personally i would pick the psp because first of all the games are way better (final fantasy) the graphics surpass the ds, it's sleek design, and it's features. i'm definently going to save up some some money to get myself a psp (already reserved my copy!!!)

FF is going to be on the DS as well.

The DS has a fairly sleek cool design.

The DS features tap more into gaming than the PSPs media driven features.

[lpmatt618]

You guys havent heard of the PSP because it doesnt come out in America till March 2005.

The PSP has mp4 abilities, online, video gaming.

It is basically the Nintendo DS just twenty times better. It also has a lot better graphics and more games actually. It was released in Japan this month. Its estimated to be about 200 bucks or so. It's basically Playstation in a gameboy form.




If any of you wanna know more...check this out.

http://psp.ign.com/

Know stuff before you talk.

[nas]

You guys havent heard of the PSP because it doesnt come out in America till March 2005.

The PSP has mp4 abilities, online, video gaming.

It is basically the Nintendo DS just twenty times better. It also has a lot better graphics and more games actually. It was released in Japan this month. Its estimated to be about 200 bucks or so. It's basically Playstation in a gameboy form.



If any of you wanna know more...check this out.

http://psp.ign.com/

Know stuff before you talk.

Know stuff before you talk.

Read stuff before you post.





I want my PSP, but I know I'll be missing out on some good DS games. Ah well. Sacrifices.

[*kryogenix*]

look at how many fingerprints are on that screen.

lpmatt618,

NO.

[kris_fox17]

FF is going to be on the DS as well.

The DS has a fairly sleek cool design.

The DS features tap more into gaming than the PSPs media driven features.

i know.... but i'm all about eye candy and the ds doesn't do it for me. i'm tired of the same handheld graphics nintendo has, i'm ready for the next big thing (something different) and in this case that would have to be the psp!!!

[ThunderEvermore]

i know.... but i'm all about eye candy and the ds doesn't do it for me. i'm tired of the same handheld graphics nintendo has, i'm ready for the next big thing (something different) and in this case that would have to be the psp!!!

The graphics on the DS are far greater than any gameboy. Despite them being sub-PSP (Or so they say, I still kind of doubt anything close to PS2 caliber graphics, which arent all that good in the first place), its still far greater than an N64 or even a Playstation. This is a HUGE jump in not only handheld gaming, but cartridge gaming as well.

Anyway, even the prettiest rose has thorns, but settle for a carnation, and you not only get more meaning out of it, but the chicks like 'em better too.

And to comment on another post, the PSP is completely different than the DS, in most ways possible.

Anyway, on to my point, when deciding which is BETTER, you cant base it on personal uses, you have to compare the purpose of the system itself. Handheld games are for gaming, not only gaming, but for gaming where there arent any TV screens or outlets. Be it camping, a long ass car ride, the hotel, or even sitting in your own room, a handheld's key point is its battery life. Maybe not for you, who sits on an outlet, but for those of us who use the handheld for what its meant for, we need more than a 90 minute to 3 hour time limit. Another key point is durability. Is the screen protected? Can I still play after dropping it from a third story window? Is the casing fragile? And lets of course not forget the games. Now, sure, some of us are going to argue which has better games, and rightfully so, with the FFVII slew of games coming for the PSP, and the amazing Mario, Metroid, Star Fox, FF, and various other games coming for the DS, its no wonder why theres an argument.

So to sum up, a handeld needs at least three things
Battery Life
Durability
Great games.

The DS has two out of those three keyed down. And while the PSP will have at least as good games as the DS, its not really made for gaming. One could argue that the device is completely media driven, with the movies and the mp3 capabilities, its just a media player with gaming abilities, and that may be Sony's handheld downfall.

Now, the question of graphics, I personally have to say those dont matter, especially in handheld gaming. I mean how many of us still have our old Gameboys? GBColors? You guys all know as well as I do that when it comes to handhelds, sure, maybe the graphics arent as good, but the games are incredible, graphics or no graphics. I mean look at games like Boktai, with its solar sensor, or like the various Tactic strategy games, like FFT and Tactics Ogre, they were practically MADE for handheld gaming, lets not forget the easy multiplayer abilities, and the Gamecube connectivity. Handhelds are the perfect gaming devices, whether they have great graphics or otherwise. And to make one thing perfectly clear, the DS has AMAZING graphics. Going from SNES caliber to beyond N64 is amazing.

So, to conclude, when comparing handhelds, for handhelds, about handhelds, the DS wins hands down. As to which you want, or prefer, or molds to your needs, thats up to you. Bottom line, the DS is a better machine, no matter which one suits you.

[Tung]

definitely ds. nintendo has never failed to make a loserness handheld lol. they are experiencd and know alot. this is sony's first. and although the psp sure looks nice. i still prefer ds.

[LiLrEbL365]

DS!! i dont really know what the psp can do though cuz like im in the US and it isnt here yet. but i really really really like the touch screen feature.

[DaTru KataLYST]

im leaning towards PSP cuz of the FF spinoffs available.

[jaeman]

I'd prefer the psp, because I have one. The release date in japan was december 12.

[ThunderEvermore]

im leaning towards PSP cuz of the FF spinoffs available.

The DS will also have FF games as well.

[*basick*]

PSP looks better.. so thats my pick

[DaTru KataLYST]

The DS will also have FF games as well.

all 3 of them?

o wait, why do i bother, i will have both anyways.

[*kryogenix*]

PSP looks better.. so thats my pick

that's not a good reason to buy something. I buy something because it works well, not because it looks good.

[DaTru KataLYST]

that's not a good reason to buy something. I buy something because it works well, not because it looks good.

he can have any reason he wants. his money.


ppl buy shoes that look better than they function.

[*kryogenix*]

he can have any reason he wants. his money.


ppl buy shoes that look better than they function.

But they do function.

The PSP is easily broken.

That's like buying a car that will probably break 100 miles down the road.

[*kryogenix*]

http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/editori...p?editorialid=7

[INSOMNIA]

psp is so much beter because it has better possibilities of graphics, and a stronger computer thingy.

[Godsend]

psp isn't even out so why put it in a poll? anyways I'm just expecting to play Final Fantasy X-2 on the psp!

[*kryogenix*]

psp is so much beter because it has better possibilities of graphics, and a stronger computer thingy.

it has a better possibility to get damaged, and weaker controls.

  psp isn't even out so why put it in a poll? anyways I'm just expecting to play Final Fantasy X-2 on the psp!

it's out in japan.

[*Azarel*]

Nintendo DS just because Sony does not have experience in handheld gaming technology. But then again, I don't know much about either.

[*kryogenix*]

Nintendo DS just because Sony does not have experience in handheld gaming technology. But then again, I don't know much about either.

That is a very good point!

Unfortunately, only few people actually know how Sony got into the console market. The first Playstation was supposed to be an addon for the SNES, just like the 32x and SegaCD was an addon to the Genesis. Problems arose, and Nintendo chose the Philipps CD-i rather than Sony's design. But, Sony had received valuable knowledge of the console market now, and decided to release a console of their own.

Sony was able to get a foothold in the market because Nintendo helped them.

Now, Sony is trying to get into the handheld market. But now they can't use another company to get in, they have to do it on their own. It'll be much tougher for them, which is evident by the sales of the DS vs sales of PSP in Japan. The PSP is being beaten.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3137412

[*kryogenix*]

Amazon UK lists the PSP's price as £180. Based on current conversion rates, that's about $336.47!

http://x-rates.com/calculator.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/amazon_uk_sony_psp/

[ThunderEvermore]

Amazon UK lists the PSP's price as £180. Based on current conversion rates, that's about $336.47!

http://x-rates.com/calculator.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/amazon_uk_sony_psp/

Actually, its more like 235$. But still, that doesnt mean anything. In Japan its retailing for about 186$. Europe isnt exactly a huge gaming market, nowhere near as much as the US and Japan, so the higher prices kind of make sense, to deal with the lack of buyers.

[SkaironFrenzy]

even though psp might be more expensive (about $180) i'll rather get the psp than the ds cuz u can do more things with the psp

[*kryogenix*]

even though psp might be more expensive (about $180) i'll rather get the psp than the ds cuz u can do more things with the psp

Like... ?

There is a media player for the GBA, so the DS can view movies and play music. Not to mention a tv tuner as well.

[ThunderEvermore]

Like... ?

There is a media player for the GBA, so the DS can view movies and play music. Not to mention a tv tuner as well.

I wonder what the prices on those would be compared to having to have a memory card for music and video files?

[*kryogenix*]

I wonder what the prices on those would be compared to having to have a memory card for music and video files?

The ComplactFlash adapter for the GBA costs $30. CompactFlash cards sold seperately, but they are cheaper (and better) than Sony's Memory Stick.

[ThunderEvermore]

The ComplactFlash adapter for the GBA costs $30. CompactFlash cards sold seperately, but they are cheaper (and better) than Sony's Memory Stick.

Yes but whats the movie/music/etc list for the adapter? The PSP is supposed to have big hit titles like SpiderMan2 and the upcoming Final Fantasy VII movie.

[*kryogenix*]

Yes but whats the movie/music/etc list for the adapter? The PSP is supposed to have big hit titles like SpiderMan2 and the upcoming Final Fantasy VII movie.

any mp3, avi, mpg that you can fit on the compactflash card i guess.

[techniasymphony]

What will the battery time be?
4-5 hours for Video watching through UMD.
4-6 hours average for gameplay through UMD.
4 hours with headphones and 50% volume, no WIFI and highest screen brightness (180 cd/m2).
6 hours with headphones and 50% volume, no WIFI and lowest screen brightness (80 cd/m2).

I heard that, if you buy the movie, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children for PSP, while you are watching it, the battery life will cut off the movie just as soon as it gets low. That's what I read at the gamefaqs.com FFVII:AC boards last year. I don't know how long the movie will be (I heard it's at least less than 2 hours), so that might not be true.


I really haven't found any games I like so far in the PSP, and I can wait for FFVII:AC to come out in DVD anyway. So my choice goes to the DS. After all, I totally miss playing Super Mario 64 for the N64, so my only chances of being able to play the DS version on the DS. I think the only game on the PSP that caught my attention is that Metal Gear Solid game, but it's exactly like the first one, just like Twin Snakes. So I prefer DS.

[ThunderEvermore]

I think the only game on the PSP that caught my attention is that Metal Gear Solid game, but it's exactly like the first one, just like Twin Snakes. So I prefer DS.

WROOOOOONG.

The new Metal Gear game is a CARD GAME.

It looks so dumb.

[xGlovex]

psp.

[techniasymphony]

WROOOOOONG.

The new Metal Gear game is a CARD GAME.

It looks so dumb.

-_-;;

Oh really? I think you're wrong. From what I read it never mentioned that.
It's called "Metal Gear Ac!d" and Hideo from what I read in an interview never mentioned it was some stupid card game. The screenshots look exactly like Metal Gear Solid/Twin Snakes. Are you mistaking that for Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories?




I obviously don't see a card system in this screenshot. I'll wait until I hear it directly from Hideo then I'll believe it. KTHXBYE!

[ThinkJohn]

the ds hmm havent really seen them take full adavantge of the dull screens so idk but im a sony guy so psp for right now

[william]

neither . but if i had to choose, probably psp.

[ThunderEvermore]

-_-;;

Oh really? I think you're wrong. From what I read it never mentioned that.
It's called "Metal Gear Ac!d" and Hideo from what I read in an interview never mentioned it was some stupid card game. The screenshots look exactly like Metal Gear Solid/Twin Snakes. Are you mistaking that for Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories?


I obviously don't see a card system in this screenshot. I'll wait until I hear it directly from Hideo then I'll believe it. KTHXBYE!

Now before I do this, Id just like to say that maybe this isnt done by Hideo, but its pretty damned accurate.

When we have decided to create a "METAL GEAR" game for the PSP, we thought of the following:
It should be a game that works best as a game for a portable game system.
Additionally, it should be a new game for the new system.

The new form of "METAL GEAR" we are presenting you is a "METAL GEAR that is not an action game".
The new element making this possible is "cards".
Using cards means the player must "customize" his/her abilities and strategies.
Cards = the player's weapon + abilities.
in "METAL GEAR ACID", the player "edits" his/her weapons and abilities to fight in a way best fitting that particular level.

The player's mission is still that of infiltration. Unique characters appear in a grand, original story.
While methods of expression differ, this still is "METAL GEAR".

The fusion of the well-known "METAL GEAR" series and totally new gameplay --
"METAL GEAR ACID" is a title completely different from the "METAL GEAR SOLID" series.

From where? Straight from the Konamii Japan website for Metal Gear Ac!d. Metal Gear Ac!d English

Edit:

[*kryogenix*]

Yeah, I saw this too. I heard the reason is the hardware can't support a ps2 metal gear like game, so they had to make it a turn based card game.

if so, that raises questions about the big hardware gap that most sony fans tout.

Another thing, the bottom button on the PSP is not responsive, in fact, Sony head Ken Kutaragi admits that this will be a problem that the users will have to adapt to.

It's kinda sad that the users have to adapt to the problem rather than Sony fixing the problem.

[[4]eternity]

PSP, it's like a mini ps2, but it's a style of Gamboy Advance, and you can play games, movies, and stuff on it... my brother is going to sell them... ;) that's why i know much about it

[ThunderEvermore]

PSP, it's like a mini ps2, but it's a style of Gamboy Advance, and you can play games, movies, and stuff on it... my brother is going to sell them... ;) that's why i know much about it

EVERYONE and their duck knows that much...

What fewer people know is that the DS can do about as much, sans the graphics capabilities. Plus the fact that it has more of an SP style makes the screen less able to be scratched, and the product more durable overall.

[*kryogenix*]

man, ken kutaragi is a real jerk. when asked about the psp's button sticking problem, this is what he said:

Kutaragi was unapologetic about the issue: "This is the design that we came up with. There may be people that complain about its usability, but that's something which users and game software developers will have to adapt to. I didn't want the PSP's LCD screen to become any smaller than this, nor did I want its machine body to become any larger.

"The button's location is [architectured] on purpose," Kutaragi added. "It's according to specifications. This is something that we've created, and this is our specification. There was a clear purpose to it, and it wasn't a mistake."

Offering additional testimony praising the handheld, Kutaragi said, "I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."

If I was a Sony customer, I would be offended. He pretty much blames the user for pointing out a mistake, claims that the problem was part of the design, and that the PSP is the most beautiful thing in the world. Way to be humble.

[*kryogenix*]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/25/ne...ws&subj=6119275

japanese users can download demos on the nintendo DS using it's wireless capabilities.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

You know though, the PSP requires you to buy a memory stick to play music. Sounds like it's going to be more money going into it for features that should already come with it. Sony never gives you the full package at one time... i don't get that...

uh oh, kyro and thunder got their gamefaces on, i know they're ready for this thread.

Anyway i would actually go for the psp, because the ds doesnt really appeal to me.
the touch screen is cool and everything, but only up to a certain point. Think of my opinion like this, you get a really cool game (metroid for example) and everything is good, but the controls are horrible, because they wanted to use the touch screen in a way, forcing you to use the stylus. (or in my case my finger cause they one on display doesnt work too well...) What really pisses me off about games are the controls, especially if u have an awesome game where everything else is good, except the controls.

Also, who said that it plays ps1 and ps2 dvds/cds? You are dead wrong, it uses their own Universal Media Disks/UMD for short. im not too sure about the media stick and how thats going to work. The battery life though, i wasnt surpirsed when i heard it was going to be that short. None of Sonys products have good B.Life. The Vaio im on right now only gives me about 30 minutes of battery life.

The games, there are going to be a hell lotta games for both handhelds, and they are going to be great. Last time i checked or the psp, there were alot of compaines getting ready for it, over 50 developers.

The DS im not too sure about though, all the games i saw were made by nintendo or an affiliate of nintendo, they included Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario DS, Super mario kart and others. Ds is getting NFSU 2 though, but psp is getting NFSU but a different psp only version.

The graphics, i heard the comparison was that DS had N64 graphics, while the PSP is similar to Dreamcasts. Im not so sure though about that either.

And people, yes its true DS is going to have wi-fi multiplayer. Up to 16 or more i think. But psp has wi-fi plans too, i think i saw 32 somewhere, but i have a feeling that thats too much, im pretty sure its lower than that though.

But if i had to choose, i would go for the PSP.

[*kryogenix*]

uh oh, kyro and thunder got their gamefaces on, i know they're ready for this thread.

Anyway i would actually go for the psp, because the ds doesnt really appeal to me.
the touch screen is cool and everything, but only up to a certain point. Think of my opinion like this, you get a really cool game (metroid for example) and everything is good, but the controls are horrible, because they wanted to use the touch screen in a way, forcing you to use the stylus. (or in my case my finger cause they one on display doesnt work too well...) What really pisses me off about games are the controls, especially if u have an awesome game where everything else is good, except the controls.

You don't have to use the stylus in metroid hunters, you can use the dpad... but i find that the stylus best replicates the feel of playing a fps.

Also, who said that it plays ps1 and ps2 dvds/cds? You are dead wrong, it uses their own Universal Media Disks/UMD for short.  im not too sure about the media stick and how thats going to work. The battery life though, i wasnt surpirsed when i heard it was going to be that short. None of Sonys products have good B.Life. The Vaio im on right now only gives me about 30 minutes of battery life.

the memory stick is for saving your progress on. Sony is using all proprietary media, which means you can't opt for more inexpensive options.

The games, there are going to be a hell lotta games for both handhelds, and they are going to be great. Last time i checked or the psp, there were alot of compaines getting ready for it, over 50 developers.

The DS im not too sure about though, all the games i saw were made by nintendo or an affiliate of nintendo, they included Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario DS, Super mario kart and others. Ds is getting NFSU 2 though, but psp is getting NFSU but a different psp only version.

You forget that GBA cartridges work with the DS too. Which is why I plan to buy one, because I missed out on the GBA/SP.

And people, yes its true DS is going to have wi-fi multiplayer. Up to 16 or more i think. But psp has wi-fi plans too, i think i saw 32 somewhere, but i have a feeling that thats too much, im pretty sure its lower than that though.

But if i had to choose, i would go for the PSP.

Most of the stuff you said we already know...

[BeyondElite]

I would rather prefer PlayStation Portable Console. Because it is a modern, 3D console experience to a mobile platform and because it doesn't only play games, but also music and movies.

[X-Zeifer]

Debate anyone? Well i have DS and i dont regret buying it.

[Just_Dream]

Definitely a PSP. My boyfriend's getting one! He'll let me watch anime on it But he won't let me hold it It's becuase I'm clumsy and I'l probably break it. 20 more days or something till it comes out.. He counts down

[ThunderEvermore]

I would rather prefer PlayStation Portable Console.  Because it is a modern, 3D console experience to a mobile platform and because it doesn't only play games, but also music and movies. 

You just described the DS as well. And just as with the PSP you have to have certain acessories.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

Did you know that the DS interferes with some tv signals messing up your image? Just thought you'd like to know, i actually was amused by this

[*kryogenix*]

Did you know that the DS interferes with some tv signals messing up your image? Just thought you'd like to know, i actually was amused by this

Heard this. The problem is not with the DS. It's with the crappy TV that has poorly shielded electronics. ANY device will cause interference with a non-shielded TV. EMF will do this, be it from your microwave, your computer or your nintendo DS. This happened to someone with the stoneage rabbit ear antennae TV. It is not likely to happen to someone with cable/satellite or a properly sheilded TV.

Don't spread FUD.

[FilipinoFaShow]

psp looks better and ds looks stupid

[*kryogenix*]

psp looks better and ds looks stupid

don't judge a book by it's cover. the psp may look good out of the box, but once that screen gets scratched, it's going to be ugly.

[*kryogenix*]

News: "Nintendo's latest handheld games device, the DS, also comes with a version of wi-fi built-in, and Mr Iwata said Nintendo will offer a free net connection service to DS owners, enabling them to play games against each other at no charge."

DS will have compatability with the revolution, and online play will not require a subscription fee. Awesome!

[to-devastate]

i hear that psp didn't get released in US yet because it has errors. Like when the game messes up, the CD pops out/flies out of the system. But since I'm a playstation person. PSP.

[*kryogenix*]

i hear that psp didn't get released in US yet because it has errors. Like when the game messes up, the CD pops out/flies out of the system. But since I'm a playstation person. PSP.

No offense, but how can you be such a mindless sheep? It's this kind of mentality that hurts competition and innovation. "I realize that product x malfunctions and is of poor quality, but since i'm a product x person, I'll buy it anyway!" This is why Sega went out of business.

[nas]

*BUMP*

Ahhhhh! I've already had my debate in this topic soo anyway....

I am this close--> | | to getting one. I know I said (in the beginning of this topic) I was gonna pre-order it............
I have the money. I know I want it. But I just got a fcking Apple Powerbook.





And as for the whole "DS has better games" thing.......

there are RUMORS that Monkey Island might make it on to the DS. That bit of news is QUITE frustrating. AHHHH!!!!!!!

[goofipinay]

er....well i kno this is kinda off topic
but how bout the PS3 comin out sumtime..it sounds pretty kool