banning gay characters in books Options

[ghjgfkgfk]

http://www.whnt19.com/Global/story.asp?S=2...24&nav=1VPuTjIf

Alabama State Representative Gerald Allen is on record as wanting to ban gay marriage, but now he's turned his attention to the state's libraries--both public and school. Allen wants to pass a law to ban books with gay characters. He also wants textbooks that suggest homosexuality is okay out of state schools.

...for we musn't let others read 'gay' books and become 'abnormal'

[hiromi]

Ugh... that is... SICKENING and STUPID. that state representative is OUT OF HIS MIND!

[abebedreamer]

That's gay. You should be able to read whatever you want to read. What next, burning books?

[xtremeliquid]

What....this is odd.

[sadolakced acid]

ahh yes. sweet home alabama.

-where a kid dressed up in a kkk hat for school
-where our biology textbooks have a sticker that says evolution is complete crap
-where our cheif justice is a jesus freak that thinks we should admit that we're trying to spread christianity in iraq and afganistan and the muslims will stop blowing us up (i couldn't figure it out either)
-where they have to say that both overall straps must be on both sholders in the dress code

ahh yes. sweet, sweet home alabama.

[iheartsimba]

omg thats horrible...

[ComradeRed]

Alabama State Representative Gerald Allen is on record as wanting to ban gay marriage, but now he's turned his attention to the state's libraries--both public and school. Allen wants to pass a law to ban books with gay characters. He also wants textbooks that suggest homosexuality is okay out of state schools.

The Bible has gay characters in it...

[Sumiaki]

I don't think any book should be banned. That's like how people wanted to ban "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn". People have the right to read what they want.

[sporadic]

It does?

I find that really ironic wording, don't you?

Haha, I was going to say that.

Homophobes. So close-minded.. their opinion won't sway easily.

[gigiopolis]

That's gay. You should be able to read whatever you want to read. What next, burning books?

I find that really ironic wording, don't you?

Anyways, I find this really stupid. It's a total waste of time. You can't do anything to stop homosexuality; you're born with it. It's nature, not nurture, so people should just stop trying to ban all this nonsense.

[pandamonium]

they already made those stickers to say DARWIN's idea of evolution can be a possiblity. thats crazy. jeze these crazy peoples.

if they dont get what they want they will start hate crimes against homosexuals.

what if people said that confederacy shouldnt be in books in the west coast and east coast states..... i bet they would be pissed. wait was alabama a confederate state... lol?

[1--GIRL]

That's dumb

[sadolakced acid]

yes, alamaba was in the confederacy.

and do you know more people here wear confederate flag shirts than american flag shirts?

[waccoon]

I find that really ironic wording, don't you?

Anyways, I find this really stupid. It's a total waste of time. You can't do anything to stop homosexuality; you're born with it. It's nature, not nurture, so people should just stop trying to ban all this nonsense.

Homosexuality isn't with you at birth. It's a decision.

they already made those stickers to say DARWIN's idea of evolution can be a possiblity. thats crazy. jeze these crazy peoples. 

if they dont get what they want they will start hate crimes against homosexuals.

what if people said that confederacy shouldnt be in books in the west coast and east coast states..... i bet they would be pissed. wait was alabama a confederate state... lol?

What's to say Darwin isn't possible?

[sadolakced acid]

Homosexuality isn't with you at birth. It's a decision.

i'm sure stupidity isn't with you at birth, it's a decision.
so, did the you meant the wizard of oz yet scarecrow?

[Spirited Away]

How come you guys can be so adament that homosexuality is nature not nurture and vice versa? It has been proven on both sides and it just depends on which side you choose to believe in. Maybe it's nature to some but nurture to others?

they already made those stickers to say DARWIN's idea of evolution can be a possiblity. thats crazy. jeze these crazy peoples. 

... so what are you trying to say about Darwin?

[miss barnes]

i believe that u should be able to read whatever u choose, but that doesnt mean that i support homosexuality (sp?)

[ComradeRed]

and do you know more people here wear confederate flag shirts than american flag shirts?

That's true in Pennsylvania too. Mostly because almost no one wears American flag shirts. Occasionally, someone might wear a confedereate flag shirt.

[sadolakced acid]

ahh... well. i think half the people here have a confederat flag shirt...

[heyyfrankie]

That's gay. You should be able to read whatever you want to read. What next, burning books?

i agree. i don't think gay people in books should be banned. there is nothing bad about it.

[sporadic]

so, did the you mean the wizard of oz yet scarecrow?

What the hell does that mean..? o.O


And Nick. People don't decide to be homosexuals. When people "come out", they usually say something to the effect of discovering they're gay. They don't say "Well, one day I just decided to be gay." Sure, there are some gay people who are only gay because it's like.. a fad these days.. But no one just decides to be gay.

[nas]

That's gay. You should be able to read whatever you want to read. What next, burning books?

hahahhahhaha wtf?

[ComradeRed]

I haven't been to a good book burning in a while.

[.kyan]

bahhh. after so much yapping in the other thread regarding homosexuals, some still talk about being homo a decision.

GEEZUS! google this thingy! there's something know as a hormonal imbalance! my lord i shant elaborate.

and yea, its totally stupid to ban such books. homophobic. totally stupid.

[ComradeRed]

It doesn't matter of its a lifestyle choice or not.

The simple fact is that it isn't our business what other people's lifestyles are.

[pandamonium]

Homosexuality isn't with you at birth. It's a decision.



What's to say Darwin isn't possible?

wow just shoot me in the face .. yea ok so homosexuality ... you mean to say when you were little you decided to be straight rather than homosexual. you are born with it.....

... so what are you trying to say about Darwin?

What's to say Darwin isn't possible?

what i mean about my statement about darwin is that alabama... no wait georga they put stickers on their text books that said DARWINS iDEAS ARE A POSSIBILITY. you should look up that article on google waccoon.... but darwins ideas are very very possible but i do have my questions about it.

[sadolakced acid]

we have the sticker too.

in fact, to clear things up i think i should post what the sticker says:

"this textbook covers the theory of evolution. students should approach this topic with an open view, and remember that it is only a theory. (yada yada crap about other possibilitys "

or something like that... i can't giver you all the text in exact because i don't have the book anymore... and chemistry doesn't cover evolution...

oh yea.. and for my scarecrow comment... i suck at typing...

so it's

have you met the wizard of oz yet scarecrow?

[smile4me]

-where our cheif justice is a jesus freak that thinks we should admit that we're trying to spread christianity in iraq and afganistan and the muslims will stop blowing us up (i couldn't figure it out either)

The Bible has gay characters in it...

heheh

[dafunnybunny]

the guy who wants to ban gay people in books is psycho. nobodys gonna die if theres a gay person in a book.

[jambaJUICE]

pfft. the people that determine whether or not books are banned or challenged are limiting a young reader's limits even more.

teachers teach that "the sky is our limit"
Yet school can't teach you everything.

On your own, you`ll read books.

& yet books about drugs, sex, sexuality. are being banned and challenged. plus, books that were never written, aren't going to be written because of that specific reason.

[Spirited Away]

what i mean about my statement about darwin is that alabama... no wait georga they put stickers on their text books that said DARWINS iDEAS ARE A POSSIBILITY. you should look up that article on google waccoon.... but darwins ideas are very very possible but i do have my questions about it.

Possible?

I guess gravity is only a possibility too then, after all, they're both just theories.


Back on topic, I think it's kind of silly to ban gay characters in books. Homosexuality is a part of our world culture, a part of history, and banning such would erase an important part of our history.

[ComradeRed]

Well, Darwin messed up a lot of specifics, but he got the general idea...

[angel-roh]

LOL! you serious? lol... cause he hates gay marriage doesnt mean he has to ban the gay characters from a book!!!! LOL!! HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA he must be way too religious. he reminds me of the pastor from the movie "Saved" lOL!!

[Yemmerz]

Darwin's theories, gay people, book bannings.

I swear this country gets better every second.

[smthngcrprategrl...]

wtf?!?!?! that's stupid! we should be entitled to read whatever we want. not whatever the government tells us to. i say they are starting to get to much control over us. i mean just because our president doesn't like homosexual people doesn't mean the rest of the country should have a problem with it.

[waccoon]

LOL! you serious? lol... cause he hates gay marriage doesnt mean he has to ban the gay characters from a book!!!! LOL!! HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA he must be way too religious. he reminds me of the pastor from the movie "Saved" lOL!!

lOL!!!

[ApocalypseAelis]

Darwin's theories, gay people, book bannings.

I swear this country gets better every second.

Are you implying that gay people make the country worse?

Anyway, I think it's stupid for him to ban books with gay characters just because he's against gay marriage. It's obviously because of his bias against gay people, which isn't right in the first place.

[*mona lisa*]

how dumb. if it's banned, people will want to show it even more.

someone said that homosexuality is a decison. its not really. either you're born with it or not, because most people figure out or get signs that theyre gay when they are toddlers or a little older. i'm pretty sure they don't know the meaning of gay and homosexuality at that age; they just start realizing it or acting like one when they're older.

[weirdness]

Violation of freedom of press.(or was that newspapers? w/e o_O)

Just because he doesnt like gay characters.
Think about all the people who do like gay characters in books/are gay

[sammi rules you]

1) banning gay characters from books is ridiculous, period. people before me have provided sufficient reasoning in me saying that.

2) if you don't want to see books with gay people in them, don't read them. if you don't want to see gay people making out, don't watch. if you don't want gay marraiges to commence near you, don't attend them.

3) WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY? sure, if someone preferred the same sex more but didn't do anything about it, that's a deicision. it's a decision to come out and admit to yourself that you're just downright gay. but BEING gay..is not a decision. kids in college experiment, but they turn out the way they're supposed to go. hormones develop in teenagers through puberty, which is why most kids realize their sexuality when they're in middle/high school. with the persecution people get for being gay..i would be very surprised if anyone wanted to be gay.

'nuff said.

[royalfreshness]

What a dumbass! You can't ban that cos it's freedom of speech.

[ComradeRed]

But you can ban it from public SCHOOLS, which are government property.

A violation of freedom speech would be something like not letting you write it in the first place.

[sadolakced acid]

LOTR is banned by a chuch because it promotes satan.

you know... not all banning is logical.

[pandamonium]

LOTR is banned by a chuch because it promotes satan.

you know... not all banning is logical.

yea and i just heard like from my aunt that some religious people banned harry potter.. cause its satanic...

[sammi rules you]

my neighbors, who are extremely religious, are not allowed to watch harry potter, but are allowed to watch lord of the rings......weird.

[sadolakced acid]

haha...

i compete in academic competitions, with teams...

once we were up against a catholic school.
and they weren't allowed to read harry potter

and guess what the question set was on?

harry potter!

[demolished]

its stupid, its all becuase of gay sex marriage.. it affected everyone else and it make people think differently now ..

[starfaerie06]

On my way home from doing some shopping Tuesday I pulled up behind a truck at a red light. On the truck there was a sticker thing that had one of those fish shaped Jesus promoting symbols (i forgot what they're called). It had TRUTH written on it. and it was eating another one of those symbols with feet that said DARWIN.... And I thought to myslef... I wonder if they have that in the oposite because I'd put that on my car...

[sadolakced acid]

lemme guess... you live in the south.

i see spread truth stickers and stuff...
and a bunch of stuff that says only jesus is the true god and all.

i mean, if i were to put an anti-christ sticker on my car it'd be blown up.

[tooeffingcrazy]

That is pathetic! I think gay books are the most interesting ones. Why would you banned them, it's not going to stop you from being gay, or reading gay books.

[*xcaitlinx*]

ugh. this reminds me of that case where the Greeks were threatening to sue America for filming the movie Troy and demonstrating that he was gay. Why are people so immature that they feel EMBARRASSED that a HERO was GAY? Does that make him any less of a man? I think not. Grow up people...it's 2oo5...freedom to be who you are and express yourself. If you have a problem, then go sit in a corner and whine about it all you want becasue NOTHING is going to change...no matter what you do.

[*salcha*]

homosexuality=decision NOT BIRTH
and yes, being sutpid is not with you at birth either, just because you dont have enough talent in an aspect of life doesnt mean you're stupid.

[sadolakced acid]

debilitation car accident- not with you at birth.

so it must be your choice, eh?

stupidity, not with you at birth (or so you say), so you choose to be stupid?

[tofuburger]

the man is corrupted...gay characters are awesome...

[*krnxswat*]

The Bible has gay characters in it...

Care to share specific examples?

[avalon*]

are you sure the bible has gay characters?

[*krnxswat*]

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.

However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin that any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1Corinthians 6:11; 2Corinthians 5:17).

resource

[racoons > you]

Yes, and church is seperate from state. so what the Bible says is totally irrelevant when making a government decision, such as banning books with gay characters.

explain to me exactly why homosexuality is a choice. ur own gender is not a choice (in most cases), so why is which gender u are attracted to

[*krnxswat*]

ur  own gender is not a choice (in most cases), so why is which gender u are attracted to

Can you care to elaborate on that part?

[racoons > you]

WEll, if you cannot decide if you are born male or female, then why can you choose whether or not your attracted to men or women?

lol just realized i said the same thing again with slightly different wording.

anyway, if homosexuality exists in the real world, then why should it be a crimeto write about it in books, which in themselves reflect reality as seen by the author?

[misoshiru]

that's just wrong. it's not like homosexuals are aliens or something. they're humans too. and yeah, even the bible has homosexuality in it. so are they going to ban the bible now

[racoons > you]

so are they going to ban the bible now

lovin the irony.

Christian govenor seeks to erradicate the gays. ends up burning his own religious texts. Excellent.

[sammi rules you]

the bible condones homosexuality, no? so uh..it wouldn't be like that. sorry to drown your hopes.

[sadolakced acid]

2 christian groups have declared that spongebob squarepants promotes gays.

[sammi rules you]

ok, so maybe spongebob does promote homosexuality. woohoo. ?

[*wind&fire*]

ahh yes.  sweet home alabama. 

-where a kid dressed up in a kkk hat for school
-where our biology textbooks have a sticker that says evolution is complete crap
-where our cheif justice is a jesus freak that thinks we should admit that we're trying to spread christianity in iraq and afganistan and the muslims will stop blowing us up (i couldn't figure it out either)
-where they have to say that both overall straps must be on both sholders in the dress code

ahh yes.  sweet, sweet home alabama.

hahaha

inbred hicks

[misoshiru]

the bible condones homosexuality, no? so uh..it wouldn't be like that. sorry to drown your hopes.

i'm not saying that it condones homosexuality or promotes it, just the fact that it contains homosexuality, even though it is the talk of homosexuality being a sin.

[Mireh]

"It's censorship at its worst, and it also keeps Alabama at the top of the list as a laughingstock in the United States,"

wtf. we all know that NJ here is the laughing stock of the US

[*stephinika*]

that's retarded...there's nothing wrong with homosexuality i don't think though i know some people disagree but banning books? thats a bit much.

[sadolakced acid]

hahaha

inbred hicks

that's west virginians.

alabama's christian fundamentalist country, not hick country. get it right.

[pandamonium]

2 christian groups have declared that spongebob squarepants promotes gays.

i saw a article clip on that, lol just because spongebob sings we are family a parent wants to stop the video when in fact there are no relation to accepting homosexuals. the only relation that they have is the people who made that video have a sign in on their website and have to agree or disagree to accept any race culture or differences in people such as homosexuality.

homosexuality=decision NOT BIRTH
and yes, being sutpid is not with you at birth either, just because you dont have enough talent in an aspect of life doesnt mean you're stupid.

are you F***ING kidding me? wow your really brain dead. i guess you "chose" to be stupid when you were born.

[Spirited Away]

Again, banning homosexual characters in books will do us no good as it will discontinue a huge chunk of records that are a part of our culture and history.

I really wanted to address the fact that quite a few of you have said something along the lines of "grow up", "you're immature", "stupid", " and there is a "freedom of expression"... etc without taking into consideration of what you're saying at all. It's like you guys are just throwing words out there in anger.

Yes, I understand that those of you who support homosexual rights are upset over this, but keep in mind that what you guys are supporting, freedom of lifestyle or just freedom in general, gives the same right to those who choose to be against homosexuals. As there are two sides of this controversy, there are two sides of freedom: the freedom to support, and the freedom to not support.

In this debate, the best way to go about things, in my humble opinion, is that you all use logic and facts to present your views. Condescension will give leeway to more spite that will add on to what is already a situation full of anger, and even hate, from both sides.

[i_screwed_bam]

worst thing ever! let people write what they want let the kids read it! its not like theyr'e saying come be gay with me cause gay people are cool, or any thing like that its just a character

the thing on saying homosexuality is okay, well it is, that's some one eles opinion, not his he should not be able to ban every thing he doesnt agre wit next hes going to say no more jobs for people who dont graduate

[xGlovex]

That's gay. You should be able to read whatever you want to read. What next, burning books?

..yea seriously

[nevernothere]

Man, I don't like homosexuality... but I don't think you can ban a book b/c of that.

[b0st0ngrl]

Omg how stupid is that?
Did you hear about the people in California that think Spongebob is gay?

[mysticalazxn]

it doesn't matter
we neeed it as a knowledge for like, what to do and not to do.

[sammi rules you]

^....what? what do we need?

[actionrobot_go]

Just because someone bans books with gay characters in them, and attempts to ban gay marriage doesn't mean that people will stop being homosexual. It's pointless for people to try and stamp out homosexuality

sorry, I make no sense.

[racoons > you]

^^
no i get you, and your right. as i said before, books reflect reality, and homosexulaity is a reality, so to do is not only an infringement of freedom of press, but naive as well

[Teesa]

Just because someone bans books with gay characters in them, and attempts to ban gay marriage doesn't mean that people will stop being homosexual. It's pointless for people to try and stamp out homosexuality

sorry, I make no sense.

no, that's exactly it. we can't just ignore it and pretend it isn't there.

[f4113n]

YES, LETS ALL GO PROTEST TO PRESIDENT BUSH THAT SPONGEBOB IS GAY AND SHOULDNT BE SHOWN ON TELEVISION, SO IS SESAME STREET. DEATH TO GAY CARTOONS, FOR THEY HAVE COMPLETELY CORRUPTED THE MINDS OF OUR YOUTH. WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS MADNESS RIGHT NOW.

hello people! if you ban books with gay charachters, then you are violating the first amendment, freedom of speech.